Senators Top 20 prospects, Spring 2009

Erik Karlsson is the Senators top prospect.

More... (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10982/senators_top20_prospects_spring2009/)

Interesting to note the differences between this ranking and the THN Future Watch rankings.

I think that Daugavins can be a bit higher. But besides pretty good rankings and reasoning.

Nice to see some of the prospects get some minor raises in their grades.

I enjoy the write ups more then the rankings, a solid read.

The more I look at our depth chart, the more unlikely it seems that Karlsson will ever get a spot with the big club. He's got to be about 23 or 24 now, and if we don't even give him a shot this year, I don't think he will want to play in Binghamton next year without a serious chance of being called-up.

In addition, I'm thinking that unless the Russians come to training camp this year and win a spot, they will stay in Russia forever. It's too bad we have guys like Anikeyenko, Lyamin, and Mirnov (and Bashkirov.. sigh) in our system when they will most likely end up as wasted draft picks.

Erik Karlsson is the Senators top prospect.

More... (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10982/senators_top20_prospects_spring2009/)

no **** sherlock.

Thanks for this. Always a good read.

Is Erik Karlsson really 165 lbs? He will certainly have to beef up to survive in the NHL. Even Brian Lee at 200 lbs gets pushed around a lot. I would hope the Sens have him on a program to build up his strength. They used to be really good at that (I remember Hossa and how he improved his core strength when he worked with the Senators conditioning coach).

Is Daugavins that bad?

Is Daugavins that bad?

I take it you did not read the write up.

I take it you did not read the write up.

Well that is obvious, if the article doesn't have the words: Habs, drugs, Carey Price, poutine, prostitution and 25e Coupe Stanley, there is no chance a Habs fan would read it.

Is Erik Karlsson really 165 lbs? He will certainly have to beef up to survive in the NHL. Even Brian Lee at 200 lbs gets pushed around a lot. I would hope the Sens have him on a program to build up his strength. They used to be really good at that (I remember Hossa and how he improved his core strength when he worked with the Senators conditioning coach).

wouldn't surprise me if karlsson comes and trains over here in the summer before going back to sweden.

Anyone notice that Elliot's gone from a 7C to an 8D

Well that is obvious, if the article doesn't have the words: Habs, drugs, Carey Price, poutine, prostitution and 25e Coupe Stanley, there is no chance a Habs fan would read it.

Here we go again...! Guys, I think you have serious problems here.

The guy is in my keeper league and when I drafted him 1 year ago, I thought I had a steal. So, instead of being so bad, why don't you just tell me something else. The guy should be the on top 2 lines in Bingo...and he's in the OHL now. What should I read?

Here we go again...! Guys, I think you have serious problems here.

The guy is in my keeper league and when I drafted him 1 year ago, I thought I had a steal. So, instead of being so bad, why don't you just tell me something else. The guy should be the on top 2 lines in Bingo...and he's in the OHL now. What should I read?

Mostly poor conditioning, but also a good group of forwards in Bingo forced Murray to send him to the OHL. He's way back in the depth chart and it's unlikely he will ever be an NHL player.

The guy is in my keeper league and when I drafted him 1 year ago, I thought I had a steal. So, instead of being so bad, why don't you just tell me something else. The guy should be the on top 2 lines in Bingo...and he's in the OHL now. What should I read?

The rest of it...?

It says he came to camp out of shape.

Anyone notice that Elliot's gone from a 7C to an 8D

yeah, didnt like that.

I guess they are getting less confident in his ability with him being pulled a few times, but his ceiling has definitely risen to bona-fide starter now.

yeah, didnt like that.

I guess they are getting less confident in his ability with him being pulled a few times, but his ceiling has definitely risen to bona-fide starter now.
Huh? Rising to an 8 means that they believe his potential is higher now.

Mostly poor conditioning, but also a good group of forwards in Bingo forced Murray to send him to the OHL. He's way back in the depth chart and it's unlikely he will ever be an NHL player.

i wouldnt go that far. I was really high on him this summer after his great season last year, and then he seemed to just take the summer off.

I'll reserve my long-term judgment on him until after training camp this fall.

Huh? Rising to an 8 means that they believe his potential is higher now.

si senor : http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

edit: oh wait, i see what you're saying there. I'm talking about the D, not the 8.

i wouldnt go that far. I was really high on him this summer after his great season last year, and then he seemed to just take the summer off.

I'll reserve my long-term judgment on him until after training camp this fall.

Maybe he will work out for some other team, but we have too many guys ahead of him on the depth chart, and it's only going to look worse after the draft.

Next year he will be back in Bingo - behind guys like Condra, O'Brien, (Caporusso), Regin, Zubov, Hennessy, Smith, and Bass. While there is a decent chance for 2 of these guys to make the team, Daugavins will be hard-pressed to find a spot on a scoring line (especially with AHL vets like Hamel to contend with).

It's really nice to see the depth on that list. The top 10 has players where the path to the NHL seems more probable than not, with a number already here. The latter half of the list has a number of guys that could surprise, but, for the most part, I think if any of those players make the NHL, it's more of a pleasant surprise, than an expected outcome.

MSP would look sexy on that list

si senor : http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

edit: oh wait, i see what you're saying there. I'm talking about the D, not the 8.

1) I see it as 7.0 B (Journeyman number 1 or Back Up)
2) 7.0 C means minimum depth goaltender, maximum Journeyman #1
8.0 D means minimum depth goaltender, maximum starter #1 aka better boom same bust aka better

Apparently i got my post (today, around 10.05 AM CET i think) deleted.

May i know why? I'm really missing it.

Nice read.
Nice to see our prospect pool is looking better than it has in recent years! We could some positive energy!

Apparently i got my post (today, around 10.05 AM CET i think) deleted.

May i know why? I'm really missing it.

Nothing in this thread has been deleted or altered in any way.
Maybe your post didn't get loaded properly.

MSP would look sexy on that list

Future Watch says he is actually Magnus Pajaarvi-Svensson.

Future Watch says he is actually Magnus Pajaarvi-Svensson.

yeah, it seems to have changed in the last year.

Apparently his club made him choose one to put on the back of his jersey, so for a while everyone was just calling him pajaarvi. When he corrected them, svensson was added to the end.

I believe his birth certificate, and therefore his name on official papers, including contracts and papers for the draft, is Magnus S-P, but i think he will be MPS when he comes to the NHL.


hockey db for 07-08: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107132
hockey db for 08-09: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=117142

hockey db thinks MSP disappeared of the face of the planet this year, and MPS appeared from nowhere.


i think it would be really funny if, say tampa, drafted "magnus svensson-paajarvi" 3rd, and then with the 5th pick, Alfie goes up and says "magnus paajarvi-svensson". What the hell is the league gonna do? Ask him which one is right?

Nothing in this thread has been deleted or altered in any way.
Maybe your post didn't get loaded properly.ehm.. no, it's just me being dumb.
I was sure to have posted here, instead i did in this one:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=18227682#post18227682
:blush:
next time before posting on this board i promise to ask myself: how many hours did i sleep tonight? and eventually refrain. :(
Thanks for your answer btw.

Well, it appears that i was right that most of our prospects will get higher grades as soon as it would be updated. I've been saying that a couple months ago and some people were arguing me. Though, I tought Petersson and Caporusso should have get higher grades as well. Our prospect pool will probably top-20 on the next update, maybe top-15 or better next year if we have another strong draft.

Well, it appears that i was right that most of our prospects will get higher grades as soon as it would be updated. I've been saying that a couple months ago and some people were arguing me. Though, I tought Petersson and Caporusso should have get higher grades as well. Our prospect pool will probably top-20 on the next update, maybe top-15 or better next year if we have another strong draft.

If we package ship Kuba and Neil for prospects + picks and draft well, in a couple of years, we'll be able to ice two teams in different conferences and get to the SCF with each of them.

Cool, though, I would have really liked if they had elaborated on the recent actions of our prospects, Ie: Regin and his goal, along with his added NHL experience, and more talk about Erik and his SEL season.

I wish HFboards would rank individual player types for teams as well...

Like where a team rankings prospect wise Defensively.. In Goaltending.. and with Forwards as well...

I think we would be top 5 in the league with Defensive prospects..

I think our D Corps will be near the best in the league look a lot like Detroits in the future, puck movement wise.. We just need the forwards to be able to carry the puck as well too...

With...

Volchenkov
Lee
Earlsson
Wiercioch
Marlsson
and
Picard who could still become a very good 4th-5th pairing D-man I think our Defense looks like it could become the best in the league...

We could just use a good solid Stay at home d-man in the future..

E. Karlsson - Lee
Volchenkov - Wiercioch
Picard - M. Karlsson

Will be a pretty damn good line up in the future and could Ironically be the best puck moving unit in the NHL...

It could also have some awesome size too, the kids just need to bulk up..

With Wiercioch coming in at almost..
6' 5"

M. Karlsson at about 6' 4"

Lee is not too short either..

What we really need is a highly skilled player with our 1st round pick.. and to use our 2nd round pick for the best goalie available if he is good.. or to take another quick rising very young player... This strategy is why our draft was so good last year..

Murray took, quick rising VERY young players.. (I think Wiercioch was 17 the day he was drafted??)

Regin will be a good 2nd line player who is not at ALL a liability.. Him and Zubov could make a good 2nd line in the future.. both players could be 60 point players.. I expect Zubov to become sort of a slightly poor man's Frolov.. and Regin to become a poor man's Zetterberg..

Our points on the powerplay could become Quite rediculous..

Karlsson - Lee
Wiercioch - Picard

Karlsson, Wiercioch, and Picard all have hard accurate shots... (and with Picard when I say accurate I am comparing him to Mezsaros).

Forget about Picard.
The guy's been floating around the NHL for a while now and everyone says the same thing: a lot of upside but no will power. The Philly fans said that he looked good at first but he quickly faded into nothingness.
I think Clouston and I see eye-to-eye on this issue and Murray is listening to him since Brian has mentioned trying to move Picard.

I wish HFboards would rank individual player types for teams as well...

Like where a team rankings prospect wise Defensively.. In Goaltending.. and with Forwards as well...

I think we would be top 5 in the league with Defensive prospects..

I think our D Corps will be near the best in the league look a lot like Detroits in the future, puck movement wise.. We just need the forwards to be able to carry the puck as well too...

With...

Volchenkov
Lee
Earlsson
Wiercioch
Marlsson
and
Picard who could still become a very good 4th-5th pairing D-man I think our Defense looks like it could become the best in the league...

We could just use a good solid Stay at home d-man in the future..

E. Karlsson - Lee
Volchenkov - Wiercioch
Picard - M. Karlsson

Will be a pretty damn good line up in the future and could Ironically be the best puck moving unit in the NHL...

It could also have some awesome size too, the kids just need to bulk up..

With Wiercioch coming in at almost..
6' 5"

M. Karlsson at about 6' 4"

Lee is not too short either..

What we really need is a highly skilled player with our 1st round pick.. and to use our 2nd round pick for the best goalie available if he is good.. or to take another quick rising very young player... This strategy is why our draft was so good last year..

Murray took, quick rising VERY young players.. (I think Wiercioch was 17 the day he was drafted??)

Regin will be a good 2nd line player who is not at ALL a liability.. Him and Zubov could make a good 2nd line in the future.. both players could be 60 point players.. I expect Zubov to become sort of a slightly poor man's Frolov.. and Regin to become a poor man's Zetterberg..

Our points on the powerplay could become Quite rediculous..

Karlsson - Lee
Wiercioch - Picard

Karlsson, Wiercioch, and Picard all have hard accurate shots... (and with Picard when I say accurate I am comparing him to Mezsaros).

As good as Detroits? That's certainly wishful thinking. Isn't that a pretty soft defence core? Is Volchenkov our tough guy on D? I think A-train weights more than Karlsson, Lee & Wiercioch put together. IMO we will need a Phaneuf, Webber, youg Adam Foote type on D like Teubert. You have to have a couple of tough guys on D, isn't that why Murray went out & got Richardson & Smith in the last few years to toughen up our D? How well will your D do against Perry & Getzlaf or Richards & Carter?

As good as Detroits? That's certainly wishful thinking. Isn't that a pretty soft defence core? Is Volchenkov our tough guy on D? I think A-train weights more than Karlsson, Lee & Wiercioch put together. IMO we will need a Phaneuf, Webber, youg Adam Foote type on D like Teubert. You have to have a couple of tough guys on D, isn't that why Murray went out & got Richardson & Smith in the last few years to toughen up our D? How well will your D do against Perry & Getzlaf or Richards & Carter?

Lidstrom, Rafalski, Chelios will be retired by then... Kronwall will get older as well. I can't say that our future will be the best for sure as it is impossible to tell, but potentially, we could have a very good one. St-Louis, Washington and LA will have amazing ones too.

LA : Johnson, Doughty, Hickey, Teubert :amazed:
St-Louis : Johnson, Pietrangelo, Cole, Coliacovo
Wash : Green, Alzner, Lepisto, Schultz

If we package ship Kuba and Neil for prospects + picks and draft well, in a couple of years, we'll be able to ice two teams in different conferences and get to the SCF with each of them.

lol that would be awesome, but for now we might have to focus on 1 team...

As good as Detroits? That's certainly wishful thinking. Isn't that a pretty soft defence core? Is Volchenkov our tough guy on D? I think A-train weights more than Karlsson, Lee & Wiercioch put together. IMO we will need a Phaneuf, Webber, youg Adam Foote type on D like Teubert. You have to have a couple of tough guys on D, isn't that why Murray went out & got Richardson & Smith in the last few years to toughen up our D? How well will your D do against Perry & Getzlaf or Richards & Carter?

i agree we need another hard hitter, which is why if a deal for Leclaire goes down i would look into Klesla who is decent

another player is Smid a ex Murray draftee

but we need a legit forward prospects which SHOULD be solved after this years draft

i agree we need another hard hitter, which is why if a deal for Leclaire goes down i would look into Klesla who is decent

another player is Smid a ex Murray draftee

but we need a legit forward prospects which SHOULD be solved after this years draft

The only way it can't be is if Murray trades his pick (better be for something DAMN good) or if we draft Hedman and all other rounds bust.

I'd say, based on where the Sens are heading, any of the top-10 are sure fire impact forward prospects.

I like, I like... but I'd like it even better if there were another 8 or 9 or two in there. If every one of these guys works out as they say, we're going to have a real logjam on the lower end of the lineup.

Also, let's hope Kaspars can put in some effort this summer... it's your future, buddy, but we're all rooting.

Erik Karlsson is the Senators top prospect.

More... (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10982/senators_top20_prospects_spring2009/)

Good read, and I generally agree with the rankings.

Only things I'd quibble with is I'd probably put Zach Smith and M. Karlsson a few spots higher.... moderate success at the AHL level is a better indicator than dominating in Junior or College.

The Karlsson brothers would be fun...

Of course, with E. K. being better than M. K., this might never happen.