what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?





please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith

no way Stajan is leaving Toronto especially if a EURO is going to be involved we all know how Burky hates them..Stajan is a Burke kind of player hard nosed hustle guy with some skill, only guy they may accept from the Hawks beside the obvious would be a guy like Byfuglien and a prospect.

Toew's,Kane and Keith for Stajan and Blake.

what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?


please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith

That would be fair. Burke may not like Kontiola, but any other young player would be fine as a replacement.

Toew's,Kane and Keith for Stajan and Blake.

Done deal.

Now chicago doesn't have to worry about being in cap hell in two years.

buff skille for stajan.. i think that would good for both teams

as chicago will also take 3 mill of the cap for 2010 when they have all their key RFA players to resign

1st or Beach.

buff skille for stajan.. i think that would good for both teams

as chicago will also take 3 mill of the cap for 2010 when they have all their key RFA players to resign


Exactly what i was thinking Buffy plus for Stajan but Stajan is not on the block i can almost guarantee you that.

Depends what happens with Moore ... if he gets traded instead of re-signed, there's no way the Leafs also trade Stajan because they'd be way too thin at centre. Unless of course they add a centre from elsewhere.

Stajan is not untouchable, but I don't see him going anywhere unless it involves a big name ending up in Toronto.

I could see Burke having some interest in Byfuglien and/or Skille, but maybe in a deal involving Antropov or Moore, not Stajan.

1st or Beach.

No.

:laugh:

To be honest, that first offer is more than fair, but it won't happen. Simply because our skill up the middle is pathetic, and Stajan is our only point-producing, decently defensive young center. Grabovski is a streaky player in all aspects, John Mitchell has a lot more heart than he does skill...it just wouldn't make sense for Burke to deal Stajan unless he thinks he can replace him.

Seriously, Stajan's a good fill-in 2nd line center, ideally a 3rd liner. And he's our 1st line center. That's the situation.

Stajan is 24 and having a career year. You would have to give up equal value if you want him. Who is available from CHI?

I'd do the deal in the OP in a second, and I'm one of the bigger pushers for Stajan staying.

Stajan is 24 and having a career year. You would have to give up equal value if you want him. Who is available from CHI?

He's 25, UFA after next season. He's having an inconsistent career year (bench at the start of the season for being unproductive, gets 32 points in the 31 games, follows that up with 11 points in the next 21 games) getting icetime he'll likely not receive on a good team. What's the real Stajan? Half the season he has been brilliant production wise. The latter part resembles a lot like the mediocrity of his career stats. Not saying he's a bad player, but he's does not have a 60 point second liner value. Equal value would be a third line prospect and a mid-low rounder IMO.

He's 25, UFA after next season. He's having an inconsistent career year (bench at the start of the season for being unproductive, gets 32 points in the 31 games, follows that up with 11 points in the next 21 games) getting icetime he'll likely not receive on a good team. What's the real Stajan? Half the season he has been brilliant production wise. The latter part resembles a lot like the mediocrity of his career stats. Not saying he's a bad player, but he's does not have a 60 point second liner value.

You do realize his production works out to more that over a healthy 82 game season right?

Actually, if he didnt get injured in the middle of the season (which is when he got hurt) he probably might of kept the scoring going. Injuries do have that effect on some players.

He is still young, getting better, and isnt a UFA, and signed at a very reasonable $1.75M this season and next. Thats what matters, and that what will determine his value. If teams wont pay the right price, the Leafs are better off keeping him.

what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?

please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith

:help:

I like Stajan and have since Junior but seriously. This is CRAZY. Stajan is having a good year but he's not worth all that.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8470162

It amazes me how one good year (43pts in 57 games. his first season with more than 39pts) makes him worth as much as 2 top prospects and a 2nd. Not to mention Beach or a First. These proposals are getting stupid. And this one is from a "hawks" fan no less.

Stajan for Skille and Buff isn't bad because the Hawks could shed some salary at the same time but Buff has great upside. Not to mention the upside Skille has.

what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?





please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith


What about...

Brouwer, Byfuglien (salary dump), 2nd in 10 (Toronto's)

How much value does Chicago hold in Bouwer? He's a guy that I'd like to see in a Leafs uniform.

Brouwer and Niemi.

what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?

please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith

:shakehead

That is insane overpayment

I would offer up Skille, Davis and a 4th at best

Brouwer and Niemi.

Skille and Huet for Moore and Joseph?

Woudl sure help us with the CAP

How much value does Chicago hold in Bouwer? He's a guy that I'd like to see in a Leafs uniform.

His stock is rising

His play has picked up over last few weeks and he is now on a line with Toews and Kane. Hawks need his size because we are already a smallish team in West

Skille and Huet for Moore and Joseph?

Woudl sure help us with the CAP

Joseph will retire as a Leaf at the end of the season.

I'll never understand some of the Leafs fan base.

"Blow it up! We need prospects and picks!"

"But don't trade Stajan. He's a cog of our team (sad as that is)!"

(the point of a blowup is to trade your main pieces when they're at their most valuable. I'd say that's right now)

I'll never understand some of the Leafs fan base.

"Blow it up! We need prospects and picks!"

"But don't trade Stajan. He's a cog of our team (sad as that is)!"

(the point of a blowup is to trade your main pieces when they're at their most valuable. I'd say that's right now)

You don't trade a 25 year old defensively responsible forward who's having a breakout year for the sake of blowing up the team. Especially not if he's signed next year, and could potentially have a lot more value as a rental if he has another good year. The deal would have to be really attractive for the Leafs to be interested.

I really like Stajan. But I have a feeling this season will be his most productive points wise. You can probably expect around 40-50 points after this season normally for Matt. No way he'll get that crazy streak again.

Personally I've never liked Stajan. Prior to this year I always thought he looked like a boy playing in a man's league. Even this year, his play has been up and down. Getting Skille, who could get more ice time in Toronto than Chicago, & Byfuglien would be glorious in my mind.

:help:

I like Stajan and have since Junior but seriously. This is CRAZY. Stajan is having a good year but he's not worth all that.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8470162

It amazes me how one good year (43pts in 57 games. his first season with more than 39pts) makes him worth as much as 2 top prospects and a 2nd. Not to mention Beach or a First. These proposals are getting stupid. And this one is from a "hawks" fan no less.

Stajan for Skille and Buff isn't bad because the Hawks could shed some salary at the same time but Buff has great upside. Not to mention the upside Skille has.

As been said many times before, people overrate picks and even prospects to a degree. If Stajan is traded the team getting him will be getting a proven NHLer, cheap 2nd line centre who plays at both ends of the rink. I'm guessing a 2nd (25% chance of making the NHL) or even a first (slightly over 50%) chance of making the NHL is the same value as proven talent? Not a chance. Even Beach, who I think is a Burke like player, has no gurantee's of making the NHL, yet Beach is worth more than a proven young NHLer? The idea behind drafting players is to draft NHLers, not just having prospects that one would hope would make the NHL. If I have a proven commodity with value, I would hope to get something in return that may result in the same.

As been said many times before, people overrate picks and even prospects to a degree. If Stajan is traded the team getting him will be getting a [COLOR="Red"]proven NHLer, cheap 2nd line centre who plays at both ends of the rink. I'm guessing a 2nd (25% chance of making the NHL) or even a first (slightly over 50%) chance of making the NHL is the same value as proven talent? Not a chance. Even Beach, who I think is a Burke like player, has no gurantee's of making the NHL, yet Beach is worth more than a proven young NHLer? The idea behind drafting players is to draft NHLers, not just having prospects that one would hope would make the NHL. If I have a proven commodity with value, I would hope to get something in return that may result in the same.

That is VERY debatable. Had the Hawks not graduated so many players last season to the NHL, Skille & Hjal would be in the NHL or @ the very getting regular call-up duty.

Stajan for Skille and Buff isn't bad because the Hawks could shed some salary at the same time but Buff has great upside. Not to mention the upside Skille has.

As a Leafs fan, I'd certainly do this. Stajan doesn't fit Burke's mold. He's not good enough to create offense on his own and not defensive enough to play a shutdown role.

How about Stajan +4th for Crawford Buff and Kontiola

Stajan is one of about 5 or six guys worth keeping long term on the Leafs. On a good team he is a third line center who works both ends of the rink ,good guy on the penalty kill and can for short periods step up into a second line role and provide some offence.........injury insurance in that role really.

You do realize his production works out to more that over a healthy 82 game season right?

Actually, if he didnt get injured in the middle of the season (which is when he got hurt) he probably might of kept the scoring going. Injuries do have that effect on some players.

He is still young, getting better, and isnt a UFA, and signed at a very reasonable $1.75M this season and next. Thats what matters, and that what will determine his value. If teams wont pay the right price, the Leafs are better off keeping him.

I'm sure GMs will take into consideration that he hasn't been producing the same the past month and half and hasn't been the same after his injury. I mean injuries do have an effect on some players. ;)

He is an UFA after next season. He is not a proven player and a risk for any team if they think he'll produce at the same pace with them. Nothing shows that this season isn't an anomaly and not a flash in a pan. As of right now, he's still a third liner who had an amazing couple of months and came back to earth in the past month and a half in my books. Now if next season, the last year of his contract and will be an impending UFA, come deadline time he mimics this production I'd take him more seriously. Which is why IMO Leafs should keep him a while longer if they really think he's as good as his production suggests. It'll only increase his value. If they don't think he's as good as his numbers show, they'll probably deal him now. Just one man's opinion who isn't sold on Stajan.

what would it take for matt stajan to go to chicago?

skille, kontiola, and a 2nd for stajan?





please no crazy trades like toews, kane, keith

Thats way too much from the Hawks dude.

I wouldnt do it.

Maybe Kontiola + but not Skille and 2nd rounders.

i personally like stajan and would try to avoid trading him but i think chicago is a good location for him if he did go. the only part of this trade i dont like kontiola just not a burke player imo, how about something like...

stajan

for

skille
greenop
and a 2nd

i realize kontiola is better than greenop but i kinda thought the first deal was a little overpayment for stajan and greenop is definately a big enforcer that the leafs are missing

I'll never understand some of the Leafs fan base.

"Blow it up! We need prospects and picks!"

"But don't trade Stajan. He's a cog of our team (sad as that is)!"

(the point of a blowup is to trade your main pieces when they're at their most valuable. I'd say that's right now)
I'll never understand some Montreal fans who don't get Leafs fans.

"Rebuild!" is what we say. Not "Blow it all up!". I'm sorry, what do you call a young, internally developed player good in his own zone and on pace for over 50 points? How does that player not sound like a decent piece in a rebuild?

It's called being realistic. We can't play the game with no centers. We currently have so few with any ability that Stajan is playing on the top line. The negligible return he would get isn't worth what Stajan is to our team.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, I'm unsure how some don't get it.

I don't see the Hawks giving up Brouwer at all. He'll be part of the growing corps of youth there along with Kane, Toews, etc. If Kontiola and a second rounder are too much to add with Skille, do you think the Hawks might part with Aliu? They also have an abundance of guys who can can put up the penalty minutes but still contribute offensively in Burrish, Brouwer and Versteeg, though Versteeg is more offensively gifted this year.

stajan for barker straight up:handclap:

I don't see the Hawks giving up Brouwer at all. He'll be part of the growing corps of youth there along with Kane, Toews, etc. If Kontiola and a second rounder are too much to add with Skille, do you think the Hawks might part with Aliu? They also have an abundance of guys who can can put up the penalty minutes but still contribute offensively in Burrish, Brouwer and Versteeg, though Versteeg is more offensively gifted this year.

I see Kontiola being moved but whoever wants Skille and Brouwer will have to pay and arm and a leg.

Kontiola just has no place on the Hawks.

Its sad because he has Adam Oates type talent, the kid can make some sweet effortless passes on the tape, hes your prototypical playmaker that will rack up assists. In the right situation the guy could be a 70+ point player.

He would be great in Columbus or St Louis and maybe Nashville or LA.

Trading for Stajan now would be a "buy high sell low" situation, which should be avoided. It is unlikely that Stajan will ever have as much trade value as he does right now as he is most likely performing over his actual ability (imo his slowdown after the hot burst is showing this nicely).

He is not a bad player, but not one I would want the Hawks to target.

buff skille for stajan.. i think that would good for both teams

as chicago will also take 3 mill of the cap for 2010 when they have all their key RFA players to resign

Done deal.

Trading for Stajan now would be a "buy high sell low" situation, which should be avoided. It is unlikely that Stajan will ever have as much trade value as he does right now as he is most likely performing over his actual ability (imo his slowdown after the hot burst is showing this nicely).

He is not a bad player, but not one I would want the Hawks to target.

Id take Stajan for the right price. Id give up a pick and a second tier prospect for him.

Moving Skille and Barker would be absolutely out of the question.

stajan for barker straight up:handclap:

Leafs fan's wet dream!

In all honesty, I think Skille and a 2nd rounder is pretty fair for Stajan. I think I'm in the minority of Leafs fans when I say I am not a huge Stajan fan. I just think he is a decent player and really isn't great at one particular thing. I just see Stajan as a player that is easily replaceable. Someone like Skille is a bit of a risk because he is unproven but if he pans out the way he is supposed than it could pay off for the Leafs.

Maybe a Hawk fan can give a better analysis of Skille right now. I am familiar with him but I haven't kept up to date with him. I know he has great speed, a great shot, can definantly give a dman fits with his stickhandling and size. I remember his downwall was his work ethic....anyone care to add?

Leafs fan's wet dream!

In all honesty, I think Skille and a 2nd rounder is pretty fair for Stajan. I think I'm in the minority of Leafs fans when I say I am not a huge Stajan fan. I just think he is a decent player and really isn't great at one particular thing. I just see Stajan as a player that is easily replaceable. Someone like Skille is a bit of a risk because he is unproven but if he pans out the way he is supposed than it could pay off for the Leafs.

Maybe a Hawk fan can give a better analysis of Skille right now. I am familiar with him but I haven't kept up to date with him. I know he has great speed, a great shot, can definantly give a dman fits with his stickhandling and size. I remember his downwall was his work ethic....anyone care to add?

No way Tallon gives Skille and a 2nd for Stajan.

Skille = sure fire top 6 winger.

He will need some serious NHL time but his potential as a top 6 is almost certain.

No GM would deal a top 6 young player on a RFA entry level contract for some help now.

In reality the only thing that Stajan brings to the table is experience but other then that Skille age and potential makes him the more desirable player... What Stajan can do now isnt worth giving up Skille.

No way Tallon gives Skille and a 2nd for Stajan.

Skille = sure fire top 6 winger.


Skille isn't a sure-fire top six winger. He's a potential top six winger. If he was a 3rd round pick you wouldn't be that high on him.

Skille and Huet for Moore and Joseph?

Woudl sure help us with the CAP

Seriously? This may be the first I've seen anyone interested in Joseph this year. He's very valuable for our tank efforts right now though, so it'll take way more to get him. :laugh:

Since Niemi seems to have overtaken Crawford as Hawks' goalie of the future, Leafs would love to get Crawford and Igor Makarov (who may never come over):sarcasm
for Stajan:

Toronto's own 2nd rounder in 2010 + 3rd rounder this year.

Brouwer and Niemi.

Niemi goes NO WHERE!

I will not allow his video game helmets to go anywhere!

Since Niemi seems to have overtaken Crawford as Hawks' goalie of the future, Leafs would love to get Crawford and Igor Makarov (who may never come over):sarcasm
for Stajan:

Niemi has played a total of ONE game for the Hawks, and he looked pretty shaky. The Hawks aren't giving up on Crawford....yet.