worstfaceoffmanever 04-20-2009, 12:09 AM I was hearing speculation around the time of the formation of the KHL about the possibility of the league holding an amateur draft. With that in mind, I have a series of questions:
1. Will there still be a draft?
2. When is it being held?
3. What is the format? 5 rounds? 7 rounds? Something else?
4. Will teams be drafting players exclusively from Russia or from all over the hockey world?
5. Is there any source for information on player rankings with statistics, scouting reports, and the like? I guess what I'm asking is, is there a Russian counterpart to CSS/ISS that serves the KHL?
Any helpful input is greatly appreciated.
Alessandro Seren Rosso 04-20-2009, 03:37 AM I was hearing speculation around the time of the formation of the KHL about the possibility of the league holding an amateur draft. With that in mind, I have a series of questions:
1. Will there still be a draft?
2. When is it being held?
3. What is the format? 5 rounds? 7 rounds? Something else?
4. Will teams be drafting players exclusively from Russia or from all over the hockey world?
5. Is there any source for information on player rankings with statistics, scouting reports, and the like? I guess what I'm asking is, is there a Russian counterpart to CSS/ISS that serves the KHL?
Any helpful input is greatly appreciated.
1/2: 1st May
3: Not sure 100% but surely won't have 7 rounds
4: Just Russia
5: There was an article on allhockey.ru some time ago. First player ranked was Mikhail Pashnin.
wings5 04-20-2009, 04:14 PM 1/2: 1st May
3: Not sure 100% but surely won't have 7 rounds
4: Just Russia
5: There was an article on allhockey.ru some time ago. First player ranked was Mikhail Pashnin.
What is the age group of the players getting drafted?
steap 04-21-2009, 01:57 PM What is the age group of the players getting drafted?
afaik
17-21
worstfaceoffmanever 04-21-2009, 06:37 PM 1/2: 1st May
3: Not sure 100% but surely won't have 7 rounds
4: Just Russia
5: There was an article on allhockey.ru some time ago. First player ranked was Mikhail Pashnin.
Thanks for the info. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that allhockey page, would you? I'd greatly appreciate it.
Also, have the clubs put together their protected lists yet? Or was that idea scrapped?
Alessandro Seren Rosso 04-22-2009, 02:32 AM That idea was scrapped, they will draft outside of the KHL (I think)
malkinfan 04-23-2009, 10:13 AM for the redraft, good pickup for Khimik to get But and Severestal grabbing Drodetsky. Why did their teams not protect them?
Alessandro Seren Rosso 04-23-2009, 05:02 PM How did play But this year? He did nothing. And Drozdetsky isn't Drozdetsky if he doesn't change a team a year
cska78 04-23-2009, 06:37 PM I thought during the regular season But was good, as for Drozdetskiy his contract was the highest in Spartak over 1 mil a year and he did nothing.
malkinfan 04-25-2009, 12:25 AM Either way, much better than what Khimik has on their roster.
cska78 04-27-2009, 06:27 AM Either way, much better than what Khimik has on their roster.
Nobody knows which league will Khimik play in. May be they will just trade/sell him to the highest bidder. CSKA is shedding salary - no money.
teddygmr 04-27-2009, 08:38 PM Saprykin, Korneev, Kulyash all played for CSKA last season...Montreal desperately needs a Dman of Korneev's calibre and Kulyash could contribute to Nashville. I think Saprykin is a UFA in NHL. Any idea whether these guys will move to North Americafor the coming season?
worstfaceoffmanever 04-28-2009, 03:16 AM Saprykin, Korneev, Kulyash all played for CSKA last season...Montreal desperately needs a Dman of Korneev's calibre and Kulyash could contribute to Nashville. I think Saprykin is a UFA in NHL. Any idea whether these guys will move to North Americafor the coming season?
I can say with a great degree of certainty that Kulyash would be starting the year in Milwaukee if he were to sign with the Predators.
There is only one open regular position on Nashville's blue line this fall, and that's likely going to go to Cody Franson considering the big strides he's made in the minors this year (pun very much intended). His defensive game has improved a great deal. We also have Jon Blum coming out of juniors who could usurp that spot from Franson, and the staff are eager to see if Teemu Lääkso's shoulder has healed properly and he has an outside shot at making the roster.
I would honestly be surprised if they even called Denis about a contract. I think the water carrying that particular sediment flowed under the bridge a long time ago.
worstfaceoffmanever 05-09-2009, 07:50 PM Anyone have a link to the draft results?
wings5 05-11-2009, 09:00 PM Anyone have a link to the draft results?
I would also like to know the results.
The draft hasn't happened yet. It's next month.
worstfaceoffmanever 05-12-2009, 12:57 PM The draft hasn't happened yet. It's next month.
But Rosso said it was May 1st... :huh:
orange puck 05-12-2009, 08:22 PM I heard the minimum age is 17? If so, what day is the cut off?
Law Dawg 05-12-2009, 11:28 PM I think Saprykin is a UFA in NHL. Any idea whether these guys will move to North Americafor the coming season?
Indeed Oleg is a UFA in the NHL. But I doubt we ever see him lace them up in North America again. He did his stint, a few brilliant flashes of talent but too inconsistent and generally buried down the lineup with grinders in a role he wasn't suited too.
worstfaceoffmanever 05-24-2009, 05:10 AM I finally found the KHL's draft rankings... but they aren't available in English. I do know that Schroeder is ranked #2 behind Tavares on their NA draft list, but that's about all I can get.
If anyone wants to take a crack at turning these into monolingual-American-friendly spreadsheets, here are the links:
Russian Skaters: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_field.pdf
European Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_european.pdf
North American Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_north_american.pdf
Russian Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_goalies.pdf
slovakiasnextone 05-24-2009, 02:49 PM I finally found the KHL's draft rankings... but they aren't available in English. I do know that Schroeder is ranked #2 behind Tavares on their NA draft list, but that's about all I can get.
If anyone wants to take a crack at turning these into monolingual-American-friendly spreadsheets, here are the links:
Russian Skaters: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_field.pdf
European Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_european.pdf
North American Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_north_american.pdf
Russian Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_goalies.pdf
Just run it through google translator http://translate.google.com/# to get the names. But pretty much it is the same players as on lists for the NHL drafts both 2009 and 2010 and also some drafted players.
JorgeRocks! 05-25-2009, 04:33 PM I thought they were having a junior draft to....
wings5 05-26-2009, 06:02 PM I finally found the KHL's draft rankings... but they aren't available in English. I do know that Schroeder is ranked #2 behind Tavares on their NA draft list, but that's about all I can get.
If anyone wants to take a crack at turning these into monolingual-American-friendly spreadsheets, here are the links:
Russian Skaters: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_field.pdf
European Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_european.pdf
North American Skaters/Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_north_american.pdf
Russian Goaltenders: http://www.khl.ru/news/draft_russian_goalies.pdf
It would be much appreciated If someone would translate these rankings for me to English.:)
steap 05-26-2009, 10:52 PM It would be much appreciated If someone would translate these rankings for me to English.:)
http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?t=8409
wings5 05-27-2009, 08:33 PM http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?t=8409
Thank you very much.:)
Finnpin 05-29-2009, 04:41 AM WTF? Whatta hell and why?
NHL teams don´t have junior system and KHL teams does...what´s the point? ...trying to be like NHL!?
BIG ARSE LOL! :laugh:
So the KHL Entry Draft 2009 is in progress.
Dinamo Minsk has first overall pick.
CSKA Moscow traded up for the first overall pick and selected Mikhail Pashnin, Dinamo Minsk selected Mikhail Stefanovich from QMJHL with their second pick.
steap 06-01-2009, 01:57 AM 3rd pick:
Amur selected forward Dmitri Shikin (Kristall Elektrostal)
4th pick:
Sibir selected def Nikita Zaitsev (MHK Krylia Sovetov)
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 02:06 AM KHL Draft - First Round
1. CSKA Moscow - D Mikhail Pashnin (Mechel Chelyabinsk)
2. Dinamo Minsk - F Mihail Stefanovich (Quebec Remparts)
3. Amur Khabarovsk - G Dmitri Shikin (Kristall Elektrostal)
4. Sibir Novosibirsk - D Nikita Zaitsev (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
5. HC MVD - passed
6. Severstal Cherepovets - D Dmitri Gromov (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
7. Avangard Omsk - passed
8. SKA St. Petersburg - G Harri Sateri (Tappara Tappere)
9. Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk - F Vadim Yaschuk (HC Belgorod)
10. Severstal Cherepovets - F Ignat Zemchenko (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
11. Atlant Mytischi - D Evgeni Molotilov (Guelph Storm)
12. SKA St. Petersburg - G Ramis Sadikov (HK Rus)
13. Dinamo Riga - F Roberts Bukarts (Krylya Sovetov)
14. SKA St. Petersburg - F Vladimír Růžička (Slavia Prague)
15. SKA St. Petersburg - F Tomáš Tatár (HK Zvolen)
16. Dinamo Moscow - F Andrei Bykov (Fribourg-Gotteron)
17. Metallurg Magnitogorsk - D Aleksandr Savoskin (Krylya Sovetov)
18. Dinamo Minsk - D Kirill Gotovets (Shattuck St. Mary)
19. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - F Magnus Svensson-Pajaarvi (Timra)
20. Atlant Mytischi - D Dmitri Stepanov (CSK VVS Samara)
21. Atlant Mytischi - F Aleksandr Shevchenko (HK Belgorod)
22. Lada Togliatti - D Evgeni Rybitsky (Izstal Izhevsk)
23. Avtomobilist Ekaterinburg - F Roman Ondřej (Viktovice)
15. SKA St. Petersburg - Tomas Tatar
19. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - Magnus Svensson-Pajaarvi
These are my favorites.
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 02:20 AM Mikhail Pashnin with Nemchinov (right) and his agent (left)
http://www.khl.ru/upload/iblock/fbb/fbb3ad2b77487f360ebb5724cbe18e19.jpg
Pulkkinen, Granlung got drafted by Dinamo Minsk. Still no Tavares :)
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 02:52 AM Second round
24. Dinamo Minsk - F Teemu Pulkkinen (Jokerit)
25. SKA St. Petersburg - F Andrei Leonov (Kristall Elektrostal)
26. Amur Khabarovsk - F Artem Tomilin (Krylya Sovetov)
27. Sibir Novosibirsk - F Mikhail Repik (Rochester)
28. Spartak Moscow - F Aleksandr Gogolev (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
29. Severstal Cherepovets - F Vitaly Popov (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
30. Atlant Mytischi - D Roman Rukavishnikov (HK Rus)
31. Dinamo Moscow - D Aleksadr Ataev (Krylya Sovetov)
32. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - D Erik Karlsson (Frolunda HC)
33. CSKA Moscow - F Yuri Sheremetiev (Halifax)
34. SKA St. Petersburg - F Antonin Melka (HC Kladno)
35. Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod - F Kaspar Daugavins (Bimghanpton Senators)
36. Dinamo Riga - F Roberts Ekimovs (Brynas)
37. Spartak Moscow - F Artem Voronin (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
38. Metallurg Novokuznetsk - passed
39. SKA St. Petersburg - D Jyri Niemi (Saskatoon Blades)
40. Atlant Mytischi - F Mattias Tedenby (HV 71)
41. Dinamo Minsk - F Mikael Granlund (Karpat Oulu)
42. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - G Jaroslav Janu (Erie Otters)
43. Atlant Mytischi - F Jiří Tlustý (Toronto Marlies)
44. Ak Bars Kazan - passed
45. Salavat Yulaev Ufa - D Mikhail Grigoriev (Yuzhny Ural Orsk)
46. Avtomobilist Ekaterinburg - F Aleksei Filippov (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
Night_Vole 06-01-2009, 03:22 AM Any idea why some teams decided to "pass"?
Ciccarelli 06-01-2009, 04:30 AM Any idea why some teams decided to "pass"?
Maybe they just refuse to take part in this madness? I mean C'MON this is ****ing embarrasing. Dynamo drafted Pulkkinen and Granlund :laugh: Do they seriosly think either of those players will ever play a single game in the KHL :laugh:
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 05:24 AM Maybe they just refuse to take part in this madness? I mean C'MON this is ****ing embarrasing. Dynamo drafted Pulkkinen and Granlund :laugh: Do they seriosly think either of those players will ever play a single game in the KHL :laugh:
Even though I'm not a fan of the KHL draft (I mean, why run a draft if we already have a junior system), just wait before laughing.
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 05:25 AM Third round
47. Atlant Mytischi - G Petr Eremin (Kristall Elektrostal)
48. Dinamo Minsk - F Artem Demkov (Acadie Bathurst)
49. Metallurg Novokuznetsk - D Georgi Dulnev (Kristall Elektrostal)
50. Spartak Moscow - F Sergei Chistyakov (Kristall Elektrostal)
51. Sibir Novosibirsk - F Simon Hjalmarsson (Buros)
52. HC MVD - passed
53. Severstal Cherepovets - D Kirill Svyazov (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
54. Atlant Mytischi - D Artem Venskel (Vityaz)
55. Barys Astana - D Boris Novikov (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
56. Dinamo Moscow - F Zach Kassian (Peterborough Petes)
57. Atlant Mytischi - D Egor Antropov (Belye Medvedi)
58. Atlant Mytischi - F David Kveton (Ocelari Trinec)
59. Dinamo Riga - F Ainars Podzins (Krylya Sovetov)
60. Spartak Moscow - Juraj Mikú (HK Skalica)
61. SKA St. Petersburg - F Jakob Josefson (Djurgarden)
62. Dinamo Moscow - D Erik Gudbranson (Kingston)
63. Metallurg Magnitogorsk - F Marat Zaripov (Mechel Chelyabinsk)
64. Dinamo Minsk - G Yuri Lavtretsky (Kapitan Stupino)
65. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - F Nikolai Suslo (HK Gomel)
66. Atlant Mytischi - G Jonas Enroth (Portland Pirates)
67. Atlant Mytischi - F Oleg Li (Fargo)
68. Salavat Yulaev Ufa - F Ilya Ivanovsky (Vityaz)
69. Avtomobilist Ekaterinburg - F Richard Panik (Ocelari Trinec)
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 06:02 AM Fourth round
70. Dinamo Minsk - D Sergei Sheleg (Sudbury Wolves)
71. Metallurg Novokuznetsk - D Maksim Matushkin (Bjerkloven)
72. Lada Togliatti - passed
73. Sibir Novosibirsk - D Kristoffer Berglund (Sundsvall)
74. CSKA Moscow - F Aleksandr Fedoseev (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
75. Severstal Cherepovets - F Artur Ganzvind (MHK Krylya Sovetov)
76. Avangard Omsk - D Aleksandr Toropov
77. Barys Astana - D Kirill Alenikov (Metallurg Magnitogorsk)
78. Dinamo Moscow - D Miro Hovinen (Jokerit)
79. Lada Togliatti - F Sergei Rabukhin (CSK VVS Samara)
80. SKA St. Petersburg - D Michal Jordan (Pleymouth)
81. Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod - D Aleksandr Frolenkov (Belye Medvedi)
82. Dinamo Riga - F Andris Dzerins (Kingston Frontenacs)
83. Spartak Moscow - D Victor Hedman (MODO Hockey)
84. Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk - F Pavel Bondarevsky (HK Rus)
85. Metallurg Magnitogorsk - D Oliver Ekman-Larsson (Leksand)
86. Metallurg Magnitogorsk - D Simon Bertilsson (Brynas)
87. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl - F Toni Rajala (Ilves)
88. Atlant Mytischi - D Dmitri Shvidenko (Spartak Moscow)
89. Ak Bars Kazan - F Taylor Hall (Windsor Spitfires)
90. Salavat Yulaev Ufa - D Egor Martynov (Mechel Chelyabinsk)
91. Avtomobilist Ekaterinburg - D Kirill Badulkin (Mechel Chelyabinsk)
slovakiasnextone 06-01-2009, 06:40 AM Even though I'm not a fan of the KHL draft (I mean, why run a draft if we already have a junior system), just wait before laughing.
Well, just to express what the non-Russian players drafted think of it, here some quotes from Tomas Tatar:
"I´m a little surprised that I was chosen by a club from KHL, because noone has spoken about the possibility of me playing in this league before. I was not contacted by any Russian team. I don´t know based on what the KHL teams chose the players. In Toronto I spoke about it with Rio Pánik and we had a good laugh about it, noone has contacted him either."
I think most of the players have a good laugh about it, but it might happen that one day if they don´t make the NHL, they could go to the KHL and the teams have their rights, though I´m not sure for how long the KHL teams retain them.
Yeah, in the argument of whether or not KHL should have a draft, count me on the side of "nay".
Sounds like HC MVD boycotted the whole thing.
lazerbullet 06-01-2009, 07:55 AM Not a fan of this draft, but I understand why so many foreign players were picked. It's very possible that a guys like Rajala, Tatar, Panik, and Janu could end up in the KHL.
But seeing Hedman and Hall getting picked makes me smile:)
slovakiasnextone 06-01-2009, 08:05 AM Not a fan of this draft, but I understand why so many foreign players were picked. It's very possible that a guys like Rajala, Tatar, Panik, and Janu could end up in the KHL.
But seeing Hedman and Hall getting picked makes me smile:)
It´s not Janu, but Janus.
cska78 06-01-2009, 08:14 AM this draft thing may eventually work out, you never know. We used to lough about our players getting drafted in Soviet Union too and what do u know? at some point more than 80 players were playing in the NHL. So let's hold the criticism off for 2-3 years and see what happens.
The draft is needed to distribute the rights for signing the players. Nobody is saying that if Spartak drafted Hedman, they would sign him right away. They will keep the rights in case something does not work right for the Swede and if for some reason he would want to return to Europe, Spartak would be the only KHL team that can offer a contract to him unless they trade rights.
The same goes to players like Stefanovich, Tlusty, and Daugavinsh. There is a big possibility they are moving to the KHL and the teams that selected them basically claimed the rights to sign them.
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-01-2009, 11:40 AM The draft is needed to distribute the rights for signing the players. Nobody is saying that if Spartak drafted Hedman, they would sign him right away. They will keep the rights in case something does not work right for the Swede and if for some reason he would want to return to Europe, Spartak would be the only KHL team that can offer a contract to him unless they trade rights.
The same goes to players like Stefanovich, Tlusty, and Daugavinsh. There is a big possibility they are moving to the KHL and the teams that selected them basically claimed the rights to sign them.
Until the (foreign) player turns 28
Siberian 06-01-2009, 12:13 PM Originally it might seem stupid but eventually it will prove a smart idea. Think about the NHL draft. Is it 90% of drafted players never sign an NHL contract or something like that. The reason the draft exists is to prevent the bidding wars for the players entering the league. This is purely to prevent overspending. Even if there is 2-3 foreign players from this list that will be coming to the KHL at some time it will alread pay off. Some idiots can laugh as much as they want about it, but it clearly indicates they have no idea why draft exists.
cska78 06-01-2009, 12:30 PM Originally it might seem stupid but eventually it will prove a smart idea. Think about the NHL draft. Is it 90% of drafted players never sign an NHL contract or something like that. The reason the draft exists is to prevent the bidding wars for the players entering the league. This is purely to prevent overspending. Even if there is 2-3 foreign players from this list that will be coming to the KHL at some time it will alread pay off. Some idiots can laugh as much as they want about it, but it clearly indicates they have no idea why draft exists.
Cool European prospects had a good lough about it, as their spots on the rosters in the NHL are reserved))))
3-4 years later they come to KHL begging for a job)
Siberian 06-01-2009, 12:41 PM Cool European prospects had a good lough about it, as their spots on the rosters in the NHL are reserved))))
3-4 years later they come to KHL begging for a job)
Obviously Tatar seems to think that he is a guaranteed NHL player. The AHL has seen a lot of guys like him to put them down to earth. He definitely can become a great player but he has to understand that the attitude like this will work against him on so many levels.
slovakiasnextone 06-01-2009, 12:53 PM Obviously Tatar seems to think that he is a guaranteed NHL player. The AHL has seen a lot of guys like him to put them down to earth. He definitely can become a great player but he has to understand that the attitude like this will work against him on so many levels.
Why? Because he had a laugh about the KHL draft? Come on, it´s a laughing stock for almost everybody, even a lot of Russians.:shakehead
The difference between Russia and North America always was that they brought up their players themselves in Russia. And while I get that many of the players might play in the KHL one day, there is no reason for the teams to secure the players a few years before it actualy happens.
And cska78 the difference between this and the Soviet players in the 80s was that they would be in danger of being shot while crossing the borders.;)
Siberian 06-01-2009, 01:20 PM Why? Because he had a laugh about the KHL draft? Come on, it´s a laughing stock for almost everybody, even a lot of Russians.:shakehead
The difference between Russia and North America always was that they brought up their players themselves in Russia. And while I get that many of the players might play in the KHL one day, there is no reason for the teams to secure the players a few years before it actualy happens.
And cska78 the difference between this and the Soviet players in the 80s was that they would be in danger of being shot while crossing the borders.;)
It is a laughing stock for idiots who are clueless in business of hockey as I explained earlier in this thread.
Hockey is a game of hard work and nothing is given to you because you have to work your way up unless of course you are a generational talent like Crosby or Ovechkin. Tatar is stupid to laugh at the fact that a club with a ton of money and a coach who worked for Red Wings organization decided to draft him. At this point he is not good enough to play not only in the NHL but in SKA too. His lack of respect just shows immaturity and confirms that he has a lot to learn in order to be respected in hockey.
It is a laughing stock for idiots who are clueless in business of hockey as I explained earlier in this thread.
Hockey is a game of hard work and nothing is given to you because you have to work your way up unless of course you are a generational talent like Crosby or Ovechkin. Tatar is stupid to laugh at the fact that a club with a ton of money and a coach who worked for Red Wings organization decided to draft him. At this point he is not good enough to play not only in the NHL but in SKA too. His lack of respect just shows immaturity and confirms that he has a lot to learn in order to be respected in hockey.
Absolutely right. With this attitude, Tatar may end up playing for some Rochester or Skalica.
slovakiasnextone 06-01-2009, 02:05 PM It is a laughing stock for idiots who are clueless in business of hockey as I explained earlier in this thread.
Hockey is a game of hard work and nothing is given to you because you have to work your way up unless of course you are a generational talent like Crosby or Ovechkin. Tatar is stupid to laugh at the fact that a club with a ton of money and a coach who worked for Red Wings organization decided to draft him. At this point he is not good enough to play not only in the NHL but in SKA too. His lack of respect just shows immaturity and confirms that he has a lot to learn in order to be respected in hockey.
Come on, 18 year old kids are allowed to be immature and laugh, no?
He didn´t even laugh about being picked up by SKA. He just said that he was surprised that he got picked because noone has talked to him about it and he never applied to the KHL draft like you do in the NHL. Nevermind.
My point is that your No. 2 league in the world (which I heard was an aspiring No.1 wanna be) can´t even make the top players who grew up in Russia to play there and they wanna play in the NHL and even run away to the CHL. You´re hardly gonna make non-Russian players want play there, the NHL will be their No. 1 aim, and if they after 3 years in the AHL don´t make the NHL team, because of not being good enough or just never giving the effort needed ala Marek Zagrapan, then they´ll go to the KHL. I get the point of the draft here. But you´re hardly gonna get 18 year old kids who have their eyes set on the NHL care about being drafted to the KHL. Money is not everything.
I just don´t get why the teams didn´t rather pick up guys like Spartak did with Juraj Mikus, whose rights aren´t owned by an NHL team and can´t be drafted to the NHL anymore as well.
Don´t get me wrong, I like the KHL and it is a good option for some players, but it is the No.2 option in case that they don´t make it to the big show. I just don´t like the fact that they´re trying to copy the NHL in things like the draft, come on, think of something new. And right now the KHL is at least as much away from competing with the NHL as Tatar is from being at leats an KHL player if not an NHL player, which is a very long way.
Hardly can a league in which a guy like Branko Radivojevic or Marcel Hossa lead a team in scoring compete with the NHL.
Just a question. Am I immature if I laughed at the fact that someone actually drafted Taylor Hall and Viktor Hedman?
Jag68Sid87 06-01-2009, 02:13 PM Here is what I don't get about this draft, perhaps someone with more knowledge could fill me in...the Russian players being drafted today, didn't they already belong to a team? How old are the Russians being drafted, because I always thought a player entered a certain team's feeder system pretty early on.
Secondly, how come NHL RFA's that could be looking to bolt to the KHL aren't being drafted? I think of guys like Mikhail Grabovski or Tomas Plekanec.
Slitty 06-01-2009, 03:08 PM The draft is needed to distribute the rights for signing the players. Nobody is saying that if Spartak drafted Hedman, they would sign him right away. They will keep the rights in case something does not work right for the Swede and if for some reason he would want to return to Europe, Spartak would be the only KHL team that can offer a contract to him unless they trade rights.
Yes, but limiting Hedman to Spartak further diminishes the already microscopic chances that we would ever see him play in the KHL.
Here is what I don't get about this draft, perhaps someone with more knowledge could fill me in...the Russian players being drafted today, didn't they already belong to a team? How old are the Russians being drafted, because I always thought a player entered a certain team's feeder system pretty early on.
Secondly, how come NHL RFA's that could be looking to bolt to the KHL aren't being drafted? I think of guys like Mikhail Grabovski or Tomas Plekanec.
Yes, every team has its own junior school and its own junior players. Each team could protect a number of players from being drafted. Who was not protected became available for the draft plus players from non-KHL teams. Each team whose player gets drafted and signed will receive an amount of money for their player. The age I think was something between 18 and 22. Therefore, guys like Plekanec could not be drafted.
Yes, but limiting Hedman to Spartak further diminishes the already microscopic chances that we would ever see him play in the KHL.
Well, I think that if you have enough money for a player and his desire to sign with your club, trading for the rights should not be a tough issue.
Btw, the only thing in my opinion why Taylor Hall got drafted is because the club that did it is looking to sign him for the next season while he's not selected by an NHL team. However, I don't see that happening.
slovakiasnextone 06-01-2009, 03:22 PM At No. 60 Spartak drafted Slovakian Juraj Mikus. Shortly after the draft it said that it was the forward from Skalica, but now it says that he is from Dukla Trencin. But the Juraj Mikus from Dukla is a defensemen, who just signed a contract with Toronto. So whom did Spartak actually draft? Formeer Habs draftee and Zigo Palffy´s center Juraj Mikú from Skalica or the Toronto draftee from Trencin the D-man Juraj Miku?
cska78 06-01-2009, 06:08 PM first draft ever, give KHL a break)))
malkinfan 06-01-2009, 10:57 PM now the next question, how many players drafted will actually report or make the KHL? Question about Pashnin. There were no better domestic talents eligible than him? I think he is a good defencemen of the physical brand, but not much value in the KHL.
Siberian 06-01-2009, 11:03 PM now the next question, how many players drafted will actually report or make the KHL? Question about Pashnin. There were no better domestic talents eligible than him? I think he is a good defencemen of the physical brand, but not much value in the KHL.
You realize that only players not protected by the KHL teams could be drafted?
slovakiasnextone 06-02-2009, 12:31 AM defender from Dukla.
Well thanks for the info.
http://www.spartak.ru/allnews/news/?id=725
But their website has the photo of Juraj Mikú the forward and it says that it is Juraj Mikus who was born in 1987, was drafted by the Habs in 2005 and played in Skalica last year, which means that it is Mikú the center. I think that is the better pick npt because Mikus the D-man is likely to play in the AHL next year, but because Skalica´s Mikú is the better player and has more potential to be a KHL player.
Slitty 06-02-2009, 03:11 AM Well, I think that if you have enough money for a player and his desire to sign with your club, trading for the rights should not be a tough issue.
I am still of the opinion that the draft was poorly thought out and implemented primarily for the sake of blindly copying the NHL. It is almost entirely unnecessary for domestic players, and only detrimental to the league's goals of recruiting quality foreign talent. The lack of restrictions in the form of rights was actually one of the few advantages (in terms of being attractive for players) that the KHL had over the NHL.
A player's rights being held by one of the lesser teams is quite simply a pestiferous barrier to him entering the league. The KHL doesn't hold high enough acclaim for a player to strive to play in it regardless of team; there are other lucrative options in Europe. I fail to see what benefit whatsoever moving away from the free market and complicating life for everyone provides at this point in time.
cska78 06-02-2009, 09:50 AM I am still of the opinion that the draft was poorly thought out and implemented primarily for the sake of blindly copying the NHL. It is almost entirely unnecessary for domestic players, and only detrimental to the league's goals of recruiting quality foreign talent. The lack of restrictions in the form of rights was actually one of the few advantages (in terms of being attractive for players) that the KHL had over the NHL.
A player's rights being held by one of the lesser teams is quite simply a pestiferous barrier to him entering the league. The KHL doesn't hold high enough acclaim for a player to strive to play in it regardless of team; there are other lucrative options in Europe. I fail to see what benefit whatsoever moving away from the free market and complicating life for everyone provides at this point in time.
other than a low-tier team picking a highly touted prospect and than getting something for him if a richer team wants to sign him (in free market a big team just takes that prospect), I don't see too many advantages.
malkinfan 06-02-2009, 02:47 PM You realize that only players not protected by the KHL teams could be drafted?
Yes, but come on, the most valuable player to take is this Pashnin? Why even have it then if you are only protecting rights of guys with little value or little chance of reporting? There is no point.
Siberian 06-02-2009, 03:49 PM Yes, but come on, the most valuable player to take is this Pashnin? Why even have it then if you are only protecting rights of guys with little value or little chance of reporting? There is no point.
Well, Pashnin was the best young player available at the draft in accordance with the management of the team that drafted him. What do you have against it?
Well thanks for the info.
http://www.spartak.ru/allnews/news/?id=725
But their website has the photo of Juraj Mikú the forward and it says that it is Juraj Mikus who was born in 1987, was drafted by the Habs in 2005 and played in Skalica last year, which means that it is Mikú the center. I think that is the better pick npt because Mikus the D-man is likely to play in the AHL next year, but because Skalica´s Mikú is the better player and has more potential to be a KHL player.
My bad, the official site of the Spartak team says they drafted a forward from Skalice while the KHL site had info of them drafting defender from Dukla.
Yes, but come on, the most valuable player to take is this Pashnin? Why even have it then if you are only protecting rights of guys with little value or little chance of reporting? There is no point.
First of all, they can sign him right away, so that's the main thing. Other than that, I think he was one of few players available who have played for the russian national junior team.
JorgeRocks! 06-02-2009, 07:12 PM Anyone have any ideas on why Kassian and Gudbrandson where drafted? Have they been talked to do you know? Unhappy with their situations and looking to move over? I though Akim Aliu was a such bet to be picked up by a KHL team, but guess not
yanokovich 06-02-2009, 08:57 PM Imagine,Taylor Hall,dont return to windsor,and go play for ak bar kazan,for 1 year before is nhl draft.
Zharipov-Hall-Morozov:yo:
worstfaceoffmanever 06-02-2009, 09:21 PM Imagine,Taylor Hall,dont return to windsor,and go play for ak bar kazan,for 1 year before is nhl draft.
Zharipov-Hall-Morozov:yo:
Hall didn't even know about the KHL draft and said he will stay in Windsor for 2009-10.
Finnpin 06-03-2009, 02:03 AM first draft ever, give KHL a break)))Why? the draft is a JOKE!
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-03-2009, 02:31 AM Imagine,Taylor Hall,dont return to windsor,and go play for ak bar kazan,for 1 year before is nhl draft.
Zharipov-Hall-Morozov:yo:
Hall is over rated.
Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-03-2009, 02:32 AM KHL Draft Recap (http://www.internationalhockey.net/hockey_around_the_world/khl_russia/3101-khl_draft.html)
cska78 06-03-2009, 07:25 AM Why? the draft is a JOKE!
it is (was), but it's the first one ever. we'll see if it sticks and develops into something at a later stage of KHL's existance.
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