What's Next for Griffin...

Hey Guys,

Just curious what's next for Forrest Griffin...hands down my fav fighter...just curious when he's expected to get back in the Octogan.

Hey Guys,

Just curious what's next for Forrest Griffin...hands down my fav fighter...just curious when he's expected to get back in the Octogan.

I'm still guessing Shogun gets his rematch against him for his next fight. Something people would want to see as well.

Fighting Thiago Silva at UFC 101 in August. Should be a good one. :yo:

Source: http://mmajunkie.com/news/14440/griffin-vs-silva-sadollah-official-for-ufc-101-in-philadelphia.mma

Hopefully he'll beat Silva and then Shogun will get his rematch, a rematch he will win. :yo:

I can't see Forrest beating Silva in any way other than a boring decision.

I can't see Forrest beating Silva in any way other than a boring decision.

I don't know, I'm not all that sold on Silva yet. He's had one fight against the upper tier of the LHW (Machida) and he got absolutely steam rolled. While Forrest certainly can be boring, he's sure faced alot tougher opponents. I won't be putting any $$$ on Silva until he beats a legit high end LHW, until then he's nothing more than hype, IMO.

I don't know, I'm not all that sold on Silva yet. He's had one fight against the upper tier of the LHW (Machida) and he got absolutely steam rolled. While Forrest certainly can be boring, he's sure faced alot tougher opponents. I won't be putting any $$$ on Silva until he beats a legit high end LHW, until then he's nothing more than hype, IMO.

Well Forrest has zero power in his fists and isn't Silva supposedly a BJJ black belt?

That's why I say it'll be a decision win for Forrest if he wins at all (barring Silva coming in with a gas tank the size or a bic lighter like another top brazilian fighter :sarcasm:)

Well Forrest has zero power in his fists and isn't Silva supposedly a BJJ black belt?

That's why I say it'll be a decision win for Forrest if he wins at all (barring Silva coming in with a gas tank the size or a bic lighter like another top brazilian fighter :sarcasm:)

I can't argue with anything you've mentioned, I just won't be betting on Silva to beat any legit LHW until I see him do so. So far he's more hype than substance, IMO.

I can't argue with anything you've mentioned, I just won't be betting on Silva to beat any legit LHW until I see him do so. So far he's more hype than substance, IMO.

I won't disagree with that either.

Whooooaaaa, major developments:Right Griffin, Wrong Silva (http://mmajunkie.com/news/14713/forrest-griffin-vs-anderson-silva-not-thiago-silva-targeted-for-ufc-101.mma)
The Ultimate Fighting Championship will apparently scrap a UFC 101 bout between former UFC light heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin (16-5 MMA, 7-3 UFC) and top contender Thiago Silva (13-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) in favor of a Griffin vs. Anderson Silva (24-4 MMA, 9-0 UFC) match-up.

Sources close to the organization today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) a meeting was held last week to discuss the Anderson Silva vs. Griffin bout and that verbal agreements may now be in place.

Whooooaaaa, major developments:Right Griffin, Wrong Silva (http://mmajunkie.com/news/14713/forrest-griffin-vs-anderson-silva-not-thiago-silva-targeted-for-ufc-101.mma)

Run Forrest Run, right back to the other Silva. This fight makes sense from a UFC management perspective, should be a HUGE PPV draw if it happens.

Poor Forrest. I love watching the guy fight because he's all heart and has done very well with very limited physical abilities.

He's being thrown to the wolves here though for that reason. He's a huge PPV draw and the UFC knows that he'll trade with Anderson to his own demise most likely.

No excuses anymore Anderson.

Poor Forrest. I love watching the guy fight because he's all heart and has done very well with very limited physical abilities.

He's being thrown to the wolves here though for that reason. He's a huge PPV draw and the UFC knows that he'll trade with Anderson to his own demise most likely.

No excuses anymore Anderson.

What does this have to do with excuses? What excuses?

What does this have to do with excuses? What excuses?

By Anderson, I mean his camp in general. And Forrest will engage Silva, and probably be destroyed for doing so.

oh man.. talk about sending a lamb to the slaghter..

oh man.. talk about sending a lamb to the slaghter..

Lots of people said the same thing about his fight with Shogun!

Griffin always comes in with a good game plan and will definitely push the pace, I like this fight. :nod: With Couture in his corner they'll definitely be poring over Anderson's fights and keying in on his weaknesses.

Would still pick Silva to win but I don't think it'll be a blowout.

By Anderson, I mean his camp in general. And Forrest will engage Silva, and probably be destroyed for doing so.

Excuses for what though? It's not like Anderson has been ducking fights. And in terms of going to a decision, it's his job to win, and that's all he's been doing lately. I haven't heard any excuses from his camp, and I'm not sure I understand what he should be making excuses for.

If you do mean excuses for going to the scorecards, I'm not sure why this particular matchup would be any different. 4 of Forrest's last 7 fights went the distance. Only 1 of Silva's last 14 fights has gone to the scorecards (and Cote's may have if he wasn't injured, but I doubt it).

Silva doesn't need to answer for his performances, and hasn't given excuses. Nor should he. Not when he wins fights.

Lots of people said the same thing about his fight with Shogun!

Silva won't gas after walking up the steps into the cage.

I'll post the exact same thing that I did in the other thread....

Hopefully this brings the best out of Anderson Silva and not the BS from the Leites fight. Forrest isn't afraid to exchange and if Anderson does the same thing he did in his last fight, then I can really see him losing. This will be only 3 rounds instead of 5 and if Anderson just hangs back, then Forrest could take this by decision.

Having said that though, if Anderson attacks then we'll probably see a repeat of Silva/Franklin.

Lots of people said the same thing about his fight with Shogun!

Griffin always comes in with a good game plan and will definitely push the pace, I like this fight. :nod: With Couture in his corner they'll definitely be poring over Anderson's fights and keying in on his weaknesses.

Would still pick Silva to win but I don't think it'll be a blowout.

Most didn't think he'd get past the first round against Rampage, must less take the match (rightfully or not) after going the distance.

I'd be interested in a fight like this, especially after Anderson's last "fight."

I'll post the exact same thing that I did in the other thread....

Hopefully this brings the best out of Anderson Silva and not the BS from the Leites fight. Forrest isn't afraid to exchange and if Anderson does the same thing he did in his last fight, then I can really see him losing. This will be only 3 rounds instead of 5 and if Anderson just hangs back, then Forrest could take this by decision.

Having said that though, if Anderson attacks then we'll probably see a repeat of Silva/Franklin.

I'm no MMA expert, but I don't really understand all the criticism Anderson gets for his last fight. It seems to me Leites took every opportunity to lie on the ground rather than engage. Silva's responsibility is to win the fight, not entertain and risk damage by going out of his way to engage an unwilling opponent.

Looking forward to Penn and Florian.

^its just that bloodthirsty fans are irate that he would let a challenger who is clearly inferior so easily off the hook ..The way I see it after he answered the call during afflction 1 he just wanted superfights the ufc didnt think he was worth it..So he said a big f u in his last 2..Now dana has seen the error of his ways, u dont fuk with the champ :nod:

I'm no MMA expert, but I don't really understand all the criticism Anderson gets for his last fight. It seems to me Leites took every opportunity to lie on the ground rather than engage. Silva's responsibility is to win the fight, not entertain and risk damage by going out of his way to engage an unwilling opponent.

As kreed said, it's blood thirsty fans. I can't say I'm all that disappointed in him over that (even though I paid big $$$ to watch the fight in person), if he went to the ground with Thales there was a very good chance he was getting subbed. I'm more upset with Thales than anything, he needed to do something to WIN that fight, when it became apparent that Anderson wasn't going to the ground, work for it, start exchanging and see if anythiing opens up, don't just pull guard over and over again.

I think in this fight the old Anderson will show up. Against Cote he had to respect Cote's power (much greater than Griffins') and against Leites he had to respect his ground game (again, much better than Griffins). While a better fighter than both of those guys, Forrest shouldn't scare Anderson in any area the way those guys may have. Just my opinion, should be a beauty.

As kreed said, it's blood thirsty fans. I can't say I'm all that disappointed in him over that (even though I paid big $$$ to watch the fight in person), if he went to the ground with Thales there was a very good chance he was getting subbed. I'm more upset with Thales than anything, he needed to do something to WIN that fight, when it became apparent that Anderson wasn't going to the ground, work for it, start exchanging and see if anythiing opens up, don't just pull guard over and over again.

I think in this fight the old Anderson will show up. Against Cote he had to respect Cote's power (much greater than Griffins') and against Leites he had to respect his ground game (again, much better than Griffins). While a better fighter than both of those guys, Forrest shouldn't scare Anderson in any area the way those guys may have. Just my opinion, should be a beauty.

Very well said.

^its just that bloodthirsty fans are irate that he would let a challenger who is clearly inferior so easily off the hook ..The way I see it after he answered the call during afflction 1 he just wanted superfights the ufc didnt think he was worth it..So he said a big f u in his last 2..Now dana has seen the error of his ways, u dont fuk with the champ :nod:

As a guy that would rather watch the best of Damien Maia than the best of Chuck Liddell I respectfully disagree. Silva is marketed as the top p4p guy in MMA. In my opinion you cannot be a top p4p guy unless you threaten to finish all your fights no matter the opponent.

GSP wrestled Matt Hughes and showed no fear going into BJ's guard. Fedor beat the hell out of Nogueria in Nogueria's guard when everyone thought it was the best in the HW division. Then he stood with Cro Cop when Mirko was arguably the most dangerous striker in the world.

Anderson disrespected the fans in his last fight. His striking was without a doubt a great technical display, but if you can punch your opponent in the leg you can punch him in the liver. He's a great talent and it would not surprise me if he retired without another loss. However he dropped down a couple notches in my book when he started dancing instead of taking a shot that he clearly had if he wanted it.

As a guy that would rather watch the best of Damien Maia than the best of Chuck Liddell I respectfully disagree. Silva is marketed as the top p4p guy in MMA. In my opinion you cannot be a top p4p guy unless you threaten to finish all your fights no matter the opponent.

GSP wrestled Matt Hughes and showed no fear going into BJ's guard. Fedor beat the hell out of Nogueria in Nogueria's guard when everyone thought it was the best in the HW division. Then he stood with Cro Cop when Mirko was arguably the most dangerous striker in the world.

Anderson disrespected the fans in his last fight. His striking was without a doubt a great technical display, but if you can punch your opponent in the leg you can punch him in the liver. He's a great talent and it would not surprise me if he retired without another loss. However he dropped down a couple notches in my book when he started dancing instead of taking a shot that he clearly had if he wanted it.

hmm, a very cogent argument..

i like this forum cuz you can actually agree with other teams' fans on something.. haha

hmm, a very cogent argument..

i like this forum cuz you can actually agree with other teams' fans on something.. haha

Gomez is overpaid and Redden sux! :sarcasm:

As a guy that would rather watch the best of Damien Maia than the best of Chuck Liddell I respectfully disagree. Silva is marketed as the top p4p guy in MMA. In my opinion you cannot be a top p4p guy unless you threaten to finish all your fights no matter the opponent.

GSP wrestled Matt Hughes and showed no fear going into BJ's guard. Fedor beat the hell out of Nogueria in Nogueria's guard when everyone thought it was the best in the HW division. Then he stood with Cro Cop when Mirko was arguably the most dangerous striker in the world.

Anderson disrespected the fans in his last fight. His striking was without a doubt a great technical display, but if you can punch your opponent in the leg you can punch him in the liver. He's a great talent and it would not surprise me if he retired without another loss. However he dropped down a couple notches in my book when he started dancing instead of taking a shot that he clearly had if he wanted it.

So just because some people want to call him the best p4p fighter, he's supposed to willingly put himself in danger just so those people are proven right?

That makes no sense at all.

So just because some people want to call him the best p4p fighter, he's supposed to willingly put himself in danger just so those people are proven right?

That makes no sense at all.

No he should not put himself in extra danger. My argument is he punched Leites in the thigh and thus could have attempted to punch him in the liver with equal or lessor danger. He chose to showboat and dance instead.

The p4p comments related to why people, myself included, have a right to be upset seeing that fight as a main event. It was a technically sound logical fight, but it was not exciting. In the Silva Cote fight it was a battle of feints and angles; that was exciting. This was a boring fight because Anderson did not try to engage even when it would cause no more danger than the strategy we saw.

No he should not put himself in extra danger. My argument is he punched Leites in the thigh and thus could have attempted to punch him in the liver with equal or lessor danger. He chose to showboat and dance instead.

The p4p comments related to why people, myself included, have a right to be upset seeing that fight as a main event. It was a technically sound logical fight, but it was not exciting. In the Silva Cote fight it was a battle of feints and angles; that was exciting. This was a boring fight because Anderson did not try to engage even when it would cause no more danger than the strategy we saw.

Again, why should he be penalized because people OTHER THAN HIMSELF call him the top p4p fighter?

Again, why should he be penalized because people OTHER THAN HIMSELF call him the top p4p fighter?

Because he obviously agrees. All it would take is for him to say is "I think Fighter X nowhere near my weight/that I train with and therefore will not fight is the top p4p fighter." The guy called out Roy Jones when to my knowledge his only boxing experience is getting knocked around by some no name Brazilian tomato can! He friggen called out Fedor for a catch weight at 220!

Good points Sideline.

Here's something to consider: most people who train with Griffin say he walks around at 230-240lbs, right? This is a pretty big size advantage. I'm not a Griffin fan by any standard, and I still think he lost to Rampage, but I think he's got a better shot than most people want to acknowledge. If he can stay away from getting reckless and avoid Silva's powershots, I see no reason why he can't turn this into a ground fight, where he has a better shot of pulling out a win--especially in a 3 round fight.

Good points Sideline.

Here's something to consider: most people who train with Griffin say he walks around at 230-240lbs, right? This is a pretty big size advantage. I'm not a Griffin fan by any standard, and I still think he lost to Rampage, but I think he's got a better shot than most people want to acknowledge. If he can stay away from getting reckless and avoid Silva's powershots, I see no reason why he can't turn this into a ground fight, where he has a better shot of pulling out a win--especially in a 3 round fight.

Silva's body triangle guard would be even more successful against a a larger fighter. Those things are damn near impossible to pass unless you're small enough to slip through or have Rampage type strength.

As a guy that would rather watch the best of Damien Maia than the best of Chuck Liddell I respectfully disagree. Silva is marketed as the top p4p guy in MMA. In my opinion you cannot be a top p4p guy unless you threaten to finish all your fights no matter the opponent.

GSP wrestled Matt Hughes and showed no fear going into BJ's guard. Fedor beat the hell out of Nogueria in Nogueria's guard when everyone thought it was the best in the HW division. Then he stood with Cro Cop when Mirko was arguably the most dangerous striker in the world.

Anderson disrespected the fans in his last fight. His striking was without a doubt a great technical display, but if you can punch your opponent in the leg you can punch him in the liver. He's a great talent and it would not surprise me if he retired without another loss. However he dropped down a couple notches in my book when he started dancing instead of taking a shot that he clearly had if he wanted it.

All good points, very fair. However, being there in person for that fight I can testify that the majority of the boobirds we're coming from people who were simply blood thirsty. Yeah there was some legit fans who weren't happy, but there was FAR more newb's who were getting very carried away. Christ, 1/2 them didn't even really know who Shogun was....:shakehead

No he should not put himself in extra danger. My argument is he punched Leites in the thigh and thus could have attempted to punch him in the liver with equal or lessor danger. He chose to showboat and dance instead.

The p4p comments related to why people, myself included, have a right to be upset seeing that fight as a main event. It was a technically sound logical fight, but it was not exciting. In the Silva Cote fight it was a battle of feints and angles; that was exciting. This was a boring fight because Anderson did not try to engage even when it would cause no more danger than the strategy we saw.

That's kind of my point. How do you engage a guy lying on the ground waiting to kick you in the jaw if you come within range? The embarrassing display, to me, was the fighter who kept rolling on his back in a defensive position to avoid being engaged, not the guy who remained on his feet waiting for a fight to break out.

All good points, very fair. However, being there in person for that fight I can testify that the majority of the boobirds we're coming from people who were simply blood thirsty. Yeah there was some legit fans who weren't happy, but there was FAR more newb's who were getting very carried away. Christ, 1/2 them didn't even really know who Shogun was....:shakehead

Shogun is up there with Gomi and old school Wanderlei for me. The dude is made of badass.

In fairness to Anderson Pride rules would have let him end the fight pretty quick. It would have looked something like this:
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That's kind of my point. How do you engage a guy lying on the ground waiting to kick you in the jaw if you come within range? The embarrassing display, to me, was the fighter who kept rolling on his back in a defensive position to avoid being engaged, not the guy who remained on his feet waiting for a fight to break out.

Kick the legs of the guy butt scooting. Silva has the speed and length to do that with minimal risk. You might even get lucky and have him try for an up kick that isn't there then you can go straight to side control if you want.

That's kind of my point. How do you engage a guy lying on the ground waiting to kick you in the jaw if you come within range? The embarrassing display, to me, was the fighter who kept rolling on his back in a defensive position to avoid being engaged, not the guy who remained on his feet waiting for a fight to break out.

A lot of it is perception I think. In his first 7 UFC fights Anderson starched everybody, including top-5 fighters like Franklin (twice), Marquardt and Dan Henderson. Leites is a cut below those guys so when you see Anderson go a full 25 minutes with him and really, not do anywhere near as much damage as he did in those fights, it comes off as a disappointing fight for him. Meanwhile Leites is a serious underdog fighting the best guy in the world, so when he flops to his butt and stuff to avoid getting killed it comes off more like a guy just doing his best to survive.

Both deserve blame but even taking Leites' passive tactics into account, Anderson really did very little to try to finish that fight. By the later rounds Leites was tired and frustrated and Anderson did almost nothing to turn it up on him, instead electing to pull goofy **** like punching his thigh and whatever that backwards heel kick at Leites' ankle was. The fight reminded me a lot of Tim Sylvia's awful title defense against Jeff Monson (UFC 65-ish or so I think) where the champ clearly outclasses his challenger but elects to play it safe in the later rounds rather than go for the kill. Sylvia got tons of **** for that fight so I don't know why Anderson shouldn't expect the same.

Kick the legs of the guy butt scooting.

He was doing that.

That's kind of my point. How do you engage a guy lying on the ground waiting to kick you in the jaw if you come within range? The embarrassing display, to me, was the fighter who kept rolling on his back in a defensive position to avoid being engaged, not the guy who remained on his feet waiting for a fight to break out.

"I second that emotion." - Smokey Robinson

It's Anderson Silva's job to win. He went out and did his job. He won. In completely dominant fashion no less, with a 50-45 score (if I recall correctly, and without a scratch). It's not his job to satisfy the rednecks that want to see a Brett Rogers slugfest.

Good points Sideline.

Here's something to consider: most people who train with Griffin say he walks around at 230-240lbs, right? This is a pretty big size advantage. I'm not a Griffin fan by any standard, and I still think he lost to Rampage, but I think he's got a better shot than most people want to acknowledge. If he can stay away from getting reckless and avoid Silva's powershots, I see no reason why he can't turn this into a ground fight, where he has a better shot of pulling out a win--especially in a 3 round fight.

Silva confirmed that he walks around 220-230 so it's not that huge of a size advantage.

He was doing that.

Meh, I thought they were halfhearted. I should probably make clear that while I'm upset by Anderson's effort I'm not refusing to watch any UFC that isn't headlined by Brock Lesnar. I thought it was a boring fight and that Anderson did not do everything he could have done, even conservatively, to try and finish it.

Meh, I thought they were halfhearted. I should probably make clear that while I'm upset by Anderson's effort I'm not refusing to watch any UFC that isn't headlined by Brock Lesnar. I thought it was a boring fight and that Anderson did not do everything he could have done, even conservatively, to try and finish it.

I agree, I think it was a really boring fight and a bad matchup. I blame the UFC; I think they learned their lesson :D

Meh, I thought they were halfhearted. I should probably make clear that while I'm upset by Anderson's effort I'm not refusing to watch any UFC that isn't headlined by Brock Lesnar. I thought it was a boring fight and that Anderson did not do everything he could have done, even conservatively, to try and finish it.

You're right, he should've jumped into guard and got subbed.

You're right, he should've jumped into guard and got subbed.

All I've said Silva should have done different was work the body more and put more power into the kicks he threw when Leites was butt scooting. Neither of those was any more risky than the strategy he used in the fight.

You're right, he should've jumped into guard and got subbed.

I don't know why so many people seem to think that going to the ground meant instant death for Silva in this fight. If you look at Leites' record in the UFC the only guys he's submitted are total scrubs, he's not Demian Maia out there. In fact, Leites got Silva down several times and Silva never seemed to be in any danger, even from bottom position. Late in the fight he was in Leites' guard pounding on him while Leites did nothing to control his position, and then he just backed out and stood up for no apparent reason.

Playing it safe to win fights is something that Sylvia was totally blasted for when he was champ, so I don't see why it should be a valid excuse for Anderson. Blaming him entirely for that crappy fight is silly, but absolving him of all blame just because Leites butt-flopped a bunch of times isn't any better.

The fight reminded me a lot of Tim Sylvia's awful title defense against Jeff Monson (UFC 65-ish or so I think) where the champ clearly outclasses his challenger but elects to play it safe in the later rounds rather than go for the kill. Sylvia got tons of **** for that fight so I don't know why Anderson shouldn't expect the same.
I drew those parallels as well. Silva has a bigger following, so naturally he has more people to defend him, whereas everyone basically hated Sylvia--especially at the point in time when he fought Monson.

Silva confirmed that he walks around 220-230 so it's not that huge of a size advantage.
I'm not sure I buy that. Where did he say that?

He weighed in for UFC 97 at 182. I also thought I remembered him saying that he basically didn't cut any for the fight with James Irvin.

In any case, aside from a C-Level Irivin, Griffin will be--by far--the largest opponent that Silva has fought in the UFC.

Good points Sideline.

Here's something to consider: most people who train with Griffin say he walks around at 230-240lbs, right? This is a pretty big size advantage. I'm not a Griffin fan by any standard, and I still think he lost to Rampage, but I think he's got a better shot than most people want to acknowledge. If he can stay away from getting reckless and avoid Silva's powershots, I see no reason why he can't turn this into a ground fight, where he has a better shot of pulling out a win--especially in a 3 round fight.

there the problem right there ... Griffin switches from game plan to brawl way way to easy

Gomez is overpaid and Redden sux! :sarcasm:

see, i still agree!

it'll be really interesting with the size difference

I drew those parallels as well. Silva has a bigger following, so naturally he has more people to defend him, whereas everyone basically hated Sylvia--especially at the point in time when he fought Monson.


I'm not sure I buy that. Where did he say that?

He weighed in for UFC 97 at 182. I also thought I remembered him saying that he basically didn't cut any for the fight with James Irvin.

In any case, aside from a C-Level Irivin, Griffin will be--by far--the largest opponent that Silva has fought in the UFC.

Remembered it a bit wrong, mentioned in an interview after the last fight that where his walk around weight is 215-220. Still not that big of a difference. I can't really remember exactly which one, I think it was the one where he was talking about wanting to fight Fedor though.

As far as not cutting for Irvin goes, if he was walking around 215 he wouldn't really have to. When a fighter says he's cutting, they're generally talking about weeks coming into the fight where they're dealing with strict diet going from a 230 situation to 205. That can't be done by starving/dehydrating and sauna work where a 10lbs difference could.

As far as not cutting for Irvin goes, if he was walking around 215 he wouldn't really have to. When a fighter says he's cutting, they're generally talking about weeks coming into the fight where they're dealing with strict diet going from a 230 situation to 205. That can't be done by starving/dehydrating and sauna work where a 10lbs difference could.
I think you have "trimming" and "cutting" confused. Cutting is the process of dehydrating yourself, whereas trimming is the diet work and prep that goes on weeks before the fight to get down the actual body weight to a lower starting point before cutting.