If Calgary signs Bouw and Phaneuf is avaliable how about

To Ottawa

Phaneuf
1st rounder (depending on what ppl think, if this is too much or not)


To Calgary

9th overall
Volchenkov
Lee
Auld

Ottawa might need calgary to take JSmith for his last year in his contract though

uh no... not a chance... take out the Flames first and maybe Sutter doesn't laugh before hanging up

uh no... not a chance... take out the Flames first and maybe Sutter doesn't laugh before hanging up
if calgary takes the first out, and Sutter hangs ups then i have no idea what to say

this isnt Weber ;)

ps. i took out the first :p

I was expecting somebody with "zz" in their name going to calgary

I was expecting somebody with "zz" in their name going to calgary

they have jokenin and langkow, i dont see them wanting him

Volchenkov, Lee and our #9 pick for Phaneuf?

no thanks from ottawa.

Volchenkov, Lee and our #9 pick for Phaneuf?

no thanks from ottawa.

i am a Sens fan, and iw ould think hard about it yes, but getting Phaneuf is a big move for us in the right direction even if it means losing other peices, remeber he is still young so he is also a move for the future
i orgininally had their 1st coming our way, which is a possibilty

Flame at me all you want, but Lee and Volchenkov (alone) for Phaneuf is not a good deal for Ottawa.

Volchenkov is an absolute warrior for any team in the league - he is one of the league's TOP shut down D, and arguably the best shot blocker in the league. Lee, has progressed immensely and will play a top 4 role next year - and not because Ottawa doesn't have anyone else - he deserves it for his play. He was solid last year and definitely the slickest and best Ottawa D skater.

I am not trying to take anything away from Phaneuf - he would be great for any team - but not at the cost of two top 4 D.

I'd pass

I'm not a fan of Dions defense and we don't have the proven goaltending and the system to hide Dions deficiencies.

choooooooode

Too much of an overpayment from Ottawa.

Also Ottawa has almost 51mil commited next year already, no way they can take on Dion and his 6.5mil

I don't like it myself but getting a #1 guy would be interesting, albeit a poor #1 by NHL standards. Still, he's very young and has a lot of time to mature into a great 2-way dman. Take out Lee and Calgary's first, add Smith and Calgary's 2nd I'd do it from a Sens perspective.

we have a back up so auld is useless
we are in poisition to win now so lee doesnt help us
so basically its volchenkov and moving up 11 positions for phanuef a two time norris candidte in his first four years????
really this is one of the worst ttrades prposed ever

it would be something like heatley + 9th + campolli for phaunef + 20th + vandermeer

we have a back up so auld is useless
we are in poisition to win now so lee doesnt help us
so basically its volchenkov and moving up 11 positions for phanuef a two time norris candidte in his first four years????
really this is one of the worst ttrades prposed ever

it would be something like heatley + 9th + campolli for phaunef + 20th + vandermeer

i guess you missed the Bouwmeester part

also Lee is rdy for the NHL

and no Heatley > Phaneuf, let alone a 9th overall pick and Heatley

that was one of the worst posts ever here :P

we have a back up so auld is useless
we are in poisition to win now so lee doesnt help us
so basically its volchenkov and moving up 11 positions for phanuef a two time norris candidte in his first four years????
really this is one of the worst ttrades prposed ever

it would be something like heatley + 9th + campolli for phaunef + 20th + vandermeer

Teehee. 2 time 50 goal scorers > overrated dmen.

Bad trade but Sutter shouldnt laugh at anything......he cannot do mathematics and has a hard time with the english language....mind you our GM has a hard time with the "shhshsh" sound

i want no part of this trade. If we're going to pay that much money to a defenceman, he better actually be good at defence. With our timeline, i'd rather take my chances with Kuli and see how a Kuli-Karlsson pairing turns out in '10-'11.

CGY hangs up phone. Phaneuf is far and away the best player in this deal and there is nothing substantial coming back. Big Volchenkov fan, but he's not even close to Dion. Even with Dion having an "off" year, his value is still very high. I don't think anyone expects him to struggle again next year.
Also, Auld has basically no value here since CGY can get a backup on July 1.

I don't think Calgary fans know enough about Lee. Sutter would definitely not hang up the phone at this deal. It's a steal for them. Ottawa would be giving away too much.

Has Lee really progressed? From what I've seen and heard he's certainly not comming along the way he was expected to.

Sutter doesn't trade Phaneuf, who would trade a very good young player when they are at the lowest value they have been at in their career? If he trades him, it won't be until his game is back on track.

EDIT: I don't think Sutter would do it if Heatley or Spezza were involved. He would have to give up even more pieces to get either of them and he only likes players who have work ethic.

Has Lee really progressed? From what I've seen and heard he's certainly not comming along the way he was expected to.

Sutter doesn't trade Phaneuf, who would trade a very good young player when they are at the lowest value they have been at in their career? If he trades him, it won't be until his game is back on track.

EDIT: I don't think Sutter would do it if Heatley or Spezza were involved. He would have to give up even more pieces to get either of them and he only likes players who have work ethic.
Lee has progressed quite nicely (although admittedly a little slower than some would have liked). He was a completely different player under Clouston and even brought a more physical edge to his game in the latter part of last year. Imo he will be a top 4 defenceman either this year or next on the Sens (or many other teams in the NHL).

bottom line is i wouldnt trade phaneuf unless we were getting a better deal

also calgary made the playoffsf with phanuef supposed overratedness and the sens who have all thesee 'superstars' and shutdown d were one of the worst teams in the league

bottom line is i wouldnt trade phaneuf unless we were getting a better deal

also calgary made the playoffsf with phanuef supposed overratedness and the sens who have all thesee 'superstars' and shutdown d were one of the worst teams in the league

Under Hartsburg - agreed.
Under Clouston Ottawa was top 5.

If Calgary signs Bouw and Phaneuf is avaliable how about

To Ottawa

Phaneuf
1st rounder (depending on what ppl think, if this is too much or not)


To Calgary

9th overall
Volchenkov
Lee
Auld

Ottawa might need calgary to take JSmith for his last year in his contract though

Ottawa is overpaying here. Atrain is a warrior on the ice. Take out the 9th and maybe it might be considered.

also people can talk about how phanuef is overrated and has low value but heatley is a two time 50 goal scoreer but phaneuf isnt even in his prime and has already been mentioned in the top of the league of d-men whereas heatley is in his prime currently and for 7.5 million he had 72 points 39 goals and minus 11....cammy was better than that for us and we got him for a first... and you can say hes gonna bounce back but i t hink the same about phanuef

Has Lee really progressed? From what I've seen and heard he's certainly not comming along the way he was expected to.

Sutter doesn't trade Phaneuf, who would trade a very good young player when they are at the lowest value they have been at in their career? If he trades him, it won't be until his game is back on track.

EDIT: I don't think Sutter would do it if Heatley or Spezza were involved. He would have to give up even more pieces to get either of them and he only likes players who have work ethic.

Lee has def. improved. He was a different player by the end of the season. I'm expecting good things from him this year. My only real gripe right now is his lack of a shot.

As for the deal above, I think it's a big overpayment from Ottawa unless the first is included, at which point it's not a good deal for Calgary either.

The only way Ottawa is getting Phaneuf is if Heater is going the other way, we simply don't have the cap space.

Toronto Offers:

Kubina
7th overall
Rights to Gerber

for

Phaneuf

1st D-Unit:
Phaneuf and Schenn:):):):):):):):):):yo::yo::yo::yo::yo:

Lee is going to be one of those "overnight" sensations only becuase no one actually paid any attention to his development outside (and often inside) Ottawa.

He's not, nor will he ever likely be a #1 defenceman, but he could play with one in the #2 spot.
IMO will easily be #3 guy that can play in any situation.

I laugh whenever i read/hear about how we could have had Marc Staal.
Id rather have Lee, but since Marc Staal is a Staal he is clearly better.

No chance we give up both Lee and Volchenkov and the #9 pick. (which could be Cowan, MSP, Kulikov, OEL, Kadri, or Shroeder) for Phaneuf.

why exactly would anyone help the Flames out by taking their pylon so they can sign an actual defensemen?

Not to mention the fact that these Flames proposal wants people overpaying for the pylon.

I wouldn't trade the last pick in a draft for "The Pylon"

Unless Phaneuf improved defensively, it's a no from Ottawa.

Toronto Offers:

Kubina
7th overall
Rights to Gerber

for

Phaneuf

1st D-Unit:
Phaneuf and Schenn:):):):):):):):):):yo::yo::yo::yo::yo:

We could nickname it "the overrated defenseman pairing". :handclap:

Volchenkov, Lee and our #9 pick for Phaneuf?

no thanks from ottawa.

:handclap:

ottawa hangs up the phone, and fast

ottawa hangs up the phone, and fastso does Calgary... people don't seem to grasp that it will take a massive overpayment to even pry Phaneuf from Sutter's cold dead hands

so does Calgary... people don't seem to grasp that it will take a massive overpayment to even pry Phaneuf from Sutter's cold dead hands

So a top 5 defensive defenseman in the league, a top 10 pick and a solid prospect who is already at least a number 5 defenseman isn't overpayment?

ooookkkaaaayyyyy?:help:

Neither side likes this deal, it must be a great deal.

No clue how this benefits either team????

Flames have big defensive D man in spades.

Regehr, Sarich and to a lessor extent Pardy, Vandermeer and soon to be Pelech.

They NEED fast, puck movers.

CGY hangs up phone. Phaneuf is far and away the best player in this deal and there is nothing substantial coming back. Big Volchenkov fan, but he's not even close to Dion. Even with Dion having an "off" year, his value is still very high. I don't think anyone expects him to struggle again next year.
Also, Auld has basically no value here since CGY can get a backup on July 1.

Fully agree with you. I live in Ottawa and like the Sens but no way Phaneuf comes at that price. I am suprised at those know it all but not facts who put down Dion. They obviously don't watch all that much hockey other than their own team (who hardly ever play against the Flames). Dion is too good for what is proposed, period.

So a top 5 defensive defenseman in the league, a top 10 pick and a solid prospect who is already at least a number 5 defenseman isn't overpayment?

ooookkkaaaayyyyy?:help:

No, it is not! If you keep thinking you can make a trade without understanding what the other team wants, you are then going to hit brick walls every day and twice on Sundays.....Learn hockey, it is captivating! :)

Flames fans are embarassing themselves in this thread. I mean, Sutter hangs up the phone? Seriously? Embarassing.

Massive overpayment from Ottawa.

so does Calgary... people don't seem to grasp that it will take a massive overpayment to even pry Phaneuf from Sutter's cold dead hands

And you don't seem to grasp that Volchenkov, Lee and the 9th overall pick for Phaneuf would be a terrible trade from Ottawa, and overpayment.

So a top 5 defensive defenseman in the league, a top 10 pick and a solid prospect who is already at least a number 5 defenseman isn't overpayment?

ooookkkaaaayyyyy?:help:why do we need Volchenkov? we have Sarich, Regehr, Vandermeer, Pardy if he re-signs with Pelech, Aulie and Negrin waiting in the wings... the Flames are chalk full of physical defensive defensemen... Volchenkov to say the least would be redundant as a Flame... Lee would be nice if he was further along in his development... but right now he isn't an improvement over Giordano so again a bit redundant... and yeah a top 10 pick would be great... but there is no guarantee that top 10 pick is going to be better than Phaneuf... hell with the Flames drafting history it's a safe bet the player picked won't be... so no this is not a good deal for Flames... maybe in terms of raw value it's fine... but for the Flames... not even close to being what we would need if Phaneuf were to be moved

Flames fans are embarassing themselves in this thread. I mean, Sutter hangs up the phone? Seriously? Embarassing.

Massive overpayment from Ottawa.



And you don't seem to grasp that Volchenkov, Lee and the 9th overall pick for Phaneuf would be a terrible trade from Ottawa, and overpayment.it would be just as terrible for Calgary as they don't need Volchenkov or Lee... which is why Sutter would laugh... the Flames need is a top 4 puck moving defenseman... so the solution is to trade a top pairing puck moving defenseman for a top 4 defensive defenseman and bottom 6 defenseman?... tell me how that makes any sense at all?

What a stupid trade idea.
/facepalm

it would be just as terrible for Calgary as they don't need Volchenkov or Lee... which is why Sutter would laugh... the Flames need is a top 4 puck moving defenseman... so the solution is to trade a top pairing puck moving defenseman for a top 4 defensive defenseman and bottom 6 defenseman?... tell me how that makes any sense at all?

i am guessing you havent seen Lee play then

and i see you failed to read the BOUWMEESTER PART in the first post again

The Flames have no need for Volchenkov or Auld.
They would essentially be trading Phanuef for Lee and a first rounder that wont play this year.

NO THANKS

i am guessing you havent seen Lee play thenI have and i know he is a puck moving defenseman... but as stated by another sens poster Lee is a #5 defenseman... that is not top 4... if we wanted someone like Lee in our top 4 we could just use Giordano

Ottawa is giving up too much.

Ottawa is giving up too much.

lol not really.

I have and i know he is a puck moving defenseman... but as stated by another sens poster Lee is a #5 defenseman... that is not top 4... if we wanted someone like Lee in our top 4 we could just use Giordano

Except Lee is better, and younger then Giordano. I said that he is at least a # 5 defenseman and he has way more potential then Giordano.

He will be a 2-3 defenseman after next year. (This coming year he will probably be a number 4 defenseman who will put up 25-30 points and be on our second powerplay and second penalty kill.

lol not really.

I think so.

I think so.

hahahah how?
Phaneuf is young and has proven himself in the league.
Why would Calgary want Volplugoff, A young D-man in Lee (Flames have tons of young d-men) Auld (LOL) and a first rounder that wont play for them this year...

Yea, huge overpayment for a player of Phanuef's caliber.

Except Lee is better, and younger then Giordano. I said that he is at least a # 5 defenseman and he has way more potential then Giordano.

He will be a 2-3 defenseman after next year. (This coming year he will probably be a number 4 defenseman who will put up 25-30 points and be on our second powerplay and second penalty kill.

Giordano put up more points then Lee last year and has yet to play two full years in the league.

Id rather have Giordano thanks.

hahahah how?
Phaneuf is young and has proven himself in the league.
Why would Calgary want Volplugoff, A young D-man in Lee (Flames have tons of young d-men) Auld (LOL) and a first rounder that wont play for them this year...

Yea, huge overpayment for a player of Phanuef's caliber.

I'd do the trade if Bouwmeester signed in Calgary.


Would you rather have Bouwmeester, Volchenkov, Lee and the 9th overall pick or Phaneuf?

lol not really.
First, Phaneuf leaving is based on the Flames signing Bouw and needing to clear cap space as per the OP's original post.

Second, this is overpayment from Ottawa's perspective and what makes it undesirable from Cgy's perspective is just that the right pieces are not heading their way...in the Calgary fans opinion... :)

Except Lee is better, and younger then Giordano. I said that he is at least a # 5 defenseman and he has way more potential then Giordano.

He will be a 2-3 defenseman after next year. (This coming year he will probably be a number 4 defenseman who will put up 25-30 points and be on our second powerplay and second penalty kill.

Man Sens fans are mounting up some epic homerism in this thread. I remember posts by you and a few others just prior to Christmas saying that getting anything for Lee would have been good cause he was horrible. Now two months later he's going to be a top 5 guy in the league. Epic joke.

To the original proposal... Sutter would personally fly out to Ottawa and **** kick Murray hopefully finally fixing his lisp once and for all. This proposal is laughable.

I'd do the trade if Bouwmeester signed in Calgary.


Would you rather have Bouwmeester, Volchenkov, Lee and the 9th overall pick or Phaneuf?
Well said!!!! :yo:

I'd do the trade if Bouwmeester signed in Calgary.


Would you rather have Bouwmeester, Volchenkov, Lee and the 9th overall pick or Phaneuf?


If the Flames sign Bouwmeester I wouldnt want Phanuef traded for 2 D-men, Id want young forwards.

Bad trade but Sutter shouldnt laugh at anything......he cannot do mathematics and has a hard time with the english language....mind you our GM has a hard time with the "shhshsh" sound

Ya, that bugs the hell out of me

Man Sens fans are mounting up some epic homerism in this thread. I remember posts by you and a few others just prior to Christmas saying that getting anything for Lee would have been good cause he was horrible. Now two months later he's going to be a top 5 guy in the league. Epic joke.

To the original proposal... Sutter would personally fly out to Ottawa and **** kick Murray hopefully finally fixing his lisp once and for all. This proposal is laughable.

First of all I didn't start posting on here until probably February, maybe even March. I just watched for the first few months. Secondly I've always considered Lee one of my favorite players and I never said I would be happy with him. Thirdly I only changed my name to Regin 43 about a month ago so no I know for a fact that you are ********.

And Brian Lee is 100% a starting defenseman in this league so I don't know why you don't think that. Just because his stats aren't that great doesn't mean that he isn't. Stats don't tell the story. He was our best two way defenseman while with the big club and he learned alot from Smith and PHillips. He is actually slowly turning in to a shut down defenseman that can also put up points.

If the Flames sign Bouwmeester I wouldnt want Phanuef traded for 2 D-men, Id want young forwards.

I'm sure there is a good forward at the draft.

hahahah how?
Phaneuf is young and has proven himself in the league.
Why would Calgary want Volplugoff, A young D-man in Lee (Flames have tons of young d-men) Auld (LOL) and a first rounder that wont play for them this year...

Yea, huge overpayment for a player of Phanuef's caliber.

1. Bouw replaces Phaneuf
2. Lee and the 9TH OVERALLL help the crap Flames prospect pool

And Phaneuf's value DID drop last season he wasnt good at all for his huge contract.

Really it isnt that hard to comprehend is it?

Ya, that bugs the hell out of me

Whenever I see that guy on tv doing an interview, I immediately turn the channel.

1. Bouw replaces Phaneuf
2. Lee and the 9TH OVERALLL help the crap Flames prospect pool

And Phaneuf's value DID drop last season he wasnt good at all for his huge contract.

Really it isnt that hard to comprehend is it?


Because the Flames have a crap prospect pool...LOL

1. Bouw replaces Phaneuf
2. Lee and the 9TH OVERALLL help the crap Flames prospect pool

And Phaneuf's value DID drop last season he wasnt good at all for his huge contract.

Really it isnt that hard to comprehend is it?

Sure, Phaneuf had an off year, he still put points. Phanuef > Bouwmeester
Phaneuf played hurt all year, probably should have had surgery but decided to play through it.

Because the Flames have a crap prospect pool...LOL

Yes, you really don't have anything beyond Backlund and Irving.

Yes, you really don't have anything beyond Backlund and Irving.

Nemisz
Pelech - First Rounder in 07 - D-Man...Put up 3 points in 5 games this year with the Flames.
Negrin
Aulie

Except Lee is better, and younger then Giordano. I said that he is at least a # 5 defenseman and he has way more potential then Giordano.

He will be a 2-3 defenseman after next year. (This coming year he will probably be a number 4 defenseman who will put up 25-30 points and be on our second powerplay and second penalty kill.Potential won't help win the Flames a Stanley Cup in 2010 will it?... WE ARE NOT REBUILDING... the Flames will be looking to improve the team now... not 3 or 4 years down the road... I also think you are overrating Lee right now and at the same time underrating Giordano... Giordano is also full of potential and has shown huge amounts of growth since coming back from Russia... enough that he went from being the #6 guy to stepping up into the top 4 at points... I don't deny Lee has more potential but as for being better right now... that is very very debatable

Potential won't help win the Flames a Stanley Cup in 2010 will it?... WE ARE NOT REBUILDING... the Flames will be looking to improve the team now... not 3 or 4 years down the road... I also think you are overrating Lee right now and at the same time underrating Giordano... Giordano is also full of potential and has shown huge amounts of growth since coming back from Russia... enough that he went from being the #6 guy to stepping up into the top 4 at points... I don't deny Lee has more potential but as for being better right now... that is very very debatable

O M G- Y O U - A R E - G E T T I N G - J A Y - B O U W- T O- R E P L A C E - P H A N E U F! ! ! ! !

Therefore you are not rebuilding!!!!!!!!

And that is all the salary you can take, i added Volch who WILL help you win now and who is CHEAP same with Lee who is CHEAP and Auld who is CHEAP cause you guys dont have cap

Add to that you get the god damn 9th overall pick to help build your pathetic prospect pool ok?

Holy **** it is like talking to a wall here, this isnt a step backwards for the Flames

O M G Y O U A R E G E T T I N G J A Y B O U W T O R E P L A C E P H A N E U F! ! ! ! !

Therefore you are not rebuilding!!!!!!!!

And that is all the salary you can take, i added Volch who WILL help you win now and who is CHEAP same with Lee who is CHEAP and Auld who is CHEAP cause you guys dont have cap

Add to that you get the god damn 9th overall pick to help build your pathetic prospect pool ok?

Holy **** it is like talking to a wall here, this isnt a step backwards for the Flamesand where is this guarantee we are getting Bouwmeester? he is not a free agent until a couple of weeks after the draft... moving Phaneuf thinking that signing Bouwmeester is a lock is sheer stupidity because who is to say some other team won't make him a ridiculously stupid offer that he just couldn't turn down

and as stated but you obviously can;t grasp it... VOlchenkov is redundant on the Flames... we have a **** load of physical defensive defensemen... and the 9th overall is far from a guarantee... and Lee is not as good as you make him out to be... the FLames have options to shed salary and why trade for Auld when you can get Weekes for 60-65% of Auld's salary?

Except the Flames dont need Lee, Volchenkov or Auld.
Our prospect pool is not crap.
Phaneuf > Bouwmeester
/end thread

and where is this guarantee we are getting Bouwmeester? he is not a free agent until a couple of weeks after the draft... moving Phaneuf thinking that signing Bouwmeester is a lock is sheer stupidity because who is to say some other team won't make him a ridiculously stupid offer that he just couldn't turn down

you know what is sheer stupidity? ppl who dont read the ORIGINAL POST

"If Calgary signs Bouw and Phaneuf is avaliable how about"

I said "IF" you know what "if" means?

you know what is sheer stupidity? ppl who dont read the ORIGINAL POST

"If Calgary signs Bouw and Phaneuf is avaliable how about"

I said "IF" you know what "if" means?you want stupidity? saying Calgary will sign a player who isn't available until after the draft then suggesting trades that will happen before said player can be signed... or in this hypothetical little world is free agency before the draft?

Id much rather see the Flames trade Vandermeer and Sarich freeing up 6 million Dollars in Cap and going with a D-Core of

Phaneuf Giordano
Regehr Bouwmeester
Pardy Pelech
or something like that

Id much rather see the Flames trade Vandermeer and Sarich freeing up 6 million Dollars in Cap and going with a D-Core of

Phaneuf Giordano
Regehr Bouwmeester
Pardy Pelech
or something like thator trade Langkow and Primeau and voila there is pretty much all Bouwmeester's salary nad you can have Phaneuf and Bouwmeester together which is what the Flames would want anyways

you want stupidity? saying Calgary will sign a player who isn't available until after the draft then suggesting trades that will happen before said player can be signed... or in this hypothetical little world is free agency before the draft?

no cause it has been speculated that Bouw wants to go closer to home which is Alberta

i never said this trade will go down before the draft, you can very well want the player we draft at 9th

or trade Langkow and Primeau and voila there is pretty much all Bouwmeester's salary nad you can have Phaneuf and Bouwmeester together which is what the Flames would want anyways

no team will take Langkow unless you guys take salary back

Value wise, this make sense.

From a Flames point of view, this makes zero sense. As Lunatik has stated several times, the Flames have no need for Volchenkov. We have a shut-down defenseman, Regehr, who is better than Volchenkov. We need puck-movers on the back end, signing Bouwmeester would help a lot. If the Flames signed Jay-Bo and wanted to trade Phaneuf, why the hell would we trade him for two defenseman? Phaneuf would be traded for a top-six winger.

Value wise, this make sense.

From a Flames point of view, this makes zero sense. As Lunatik has stated several times, the Flames have no need for Volchenkov. We have a shut-down defenseman, Regehr, who is better than Volchenkov. We need puck-movers on the back end, signing Bouwmeester would help a lot. If the Flames signed Jay-Bo and wanted to trade Phaneuf, why the hell would we trade him for two defenseman? Phaneuf would be traded for a top-six winger.

So because you say Regehr is better, than he must be? I would personally take Volchenkov over Regehr. I'm not saying it isn't close, but Regehr is not better than Volchenkov. I lived in Calgary for two years, and for the last 3 years have been in Ottawa and having watched full seasons for both teams - boldly claiming one is better is homerism - as many senators fans have been accused of in this thread.

Clearly Flames fans don't know enough about Ottawa players - the original proposal is an overpayment from an Ottawa standpoint - Lee is a top-4 D and so is Volchenkov; I wouldn't trade those two for Phaneuf.

So because you say Regehr is better, than he must be? I would personally take Volchenkov over Regehr. I'm not saying it isn't close, but Regehr is not better than Volchenkov. I lived in Calgary for two years, and for the last 3 years have been in Ottawa and having watched full seasons for both teams - boldly claiming one is better is homerism - as many senators fans have been accused of in this thread.

Clearly Flames fans don't know enough about Ottawa players - the original proposal is an overpayment from an Ottawa standpoint - Lee is a top-4 D and so is Volchenkov; I wouldn't trade those two for Phaneuf.

So because you say Volchenkov is better, than he must be?

This trade makes zero sense from a Flames' standpoint. How many times does it need to be said?

[QUOTE=CGY;19844132]So because you say Volchenkov is better, than he must be?

I didn't say Volchenkov was better - I said Regehr wasn't necessarily better and that its a close call, and that I would personally take Volchenkov over him.

I didn't say Volchenkov was better - I said Regehr wasn't necessarily better and that its a close call, and that I would personally take Volchenkov over him.

I'm not saying it isn't close, but Regehr is not better than Volchenkov

If Regehr isn't better than Volchenkov, than Volchenkov must be better than Regehr. Unless you think that they're equal.

and where is this guarantee we are getting Bouwmeester? he is not a free agent until a couple of weeks after the draft... moving Phaneuf thinking that signing Bouwmeester is a lock is sheer stupidity because who is to say some other team won't make him a ridiculously stupid offer that he just couldn't turn down
and as stated but you obviously can;t grasp it... VOlchenkov is redundant on the Flames... we have a **** load of physical defensive defensemen... and the 9th overall is far from a guarantee... and Lee is not as good as you make him out to be... the FLames have options to shed salary and why trade for Auld when you can get Weekes for 60-65% of Auld's salary?

:handclap::handclap::handclap:
CGY fans love/ will keep Phaneuf and OTT fans believe whatever they want about their players

so /end thread pleeease

reghr's accolades and continual recognition as one of the top shut down guys says he is better than volnotgoodov and lee is in no way better than phanuef sarich regehr gio so that makes him not a top 4

It really doesnt matter if Calgary fans dont like the trade. Its a stupid trade from an ottawa perspective, so ottawa wouldnt do it.

Phaneuf < Bouwmeester.
Lee, Volchenkov, and the 9th overall is way too much for Phaneuf. We need defencemen that are stable defensively but can contribute offensively. Phaneuf is ****** defensively.
I would rather keep the 9th overall so that we can keep our prospect pool healthy.

So a top 5 defensive defenseman in the league, a top 10 pick and a solid prospect who is already at least a number 5 defenseman isn't overpayment?

ooookkkaaaayyyyy?:help:

This is a deep deep draft class. Realisticly Calgary could draft Jared Cowan with that 9th pick who might replace Dion in a hurry or 2 way offensive dman stud Dimitry Kulikov for that matter, nevermind adding Volchenkov and Brian Lee.

Plus I don't know how Ottawa can take on 6.5 mill. They would certainly be worse defensive team for sure.

looks like that heatley trade for phaneuf i proposed a while back is more likely now hahaha your best player wants a trade that should lower his value especially after a poor year

Make that Heatley to Calgary.

looks like that heatley trade for phaneuf i proposed a while back is more likely now hahaha your best player wants a trade that should lower his value especially after a poor year

Compared to Phaneuf's amazing year, you're right... Oh wait, he was a piece of crap this year.

ya but d men are harder to acquire than forwards

Compared to Phaneuf's amazing year, you're right... Oh wait, he was a piece of crap this year.that piece of crap still put up 47 points while playing nearly the entire season with a serious hip injury

Compared to Phaneuf's amazing year, you're right... Oh wait, he was a piece of crap this year.

He still put up more points then Bouwmeester and was playing hurt all year.

im pretty sure half the Ottawa fans never watched 10 flames games this year, ill admit i didnt watch taht many sens, but if you watched phaneuf he was clearly hurt you just dont go form a faster guy to vandermeer speed, also his points were hurt to to the horrible PP in which he gets lots of important poitns on

that piece of crap still put up 47 points while playing nearly the entire season with a serious hip injury

Mike Green played the same kind of defense Phaneuf did this year and put up 73 points.

Give me a dman that plays both sides of the puck well (Bouwmeester) over Phaneuf any day of the year.

Mike Green played the same kind of defense Phaneuf did this year and put up 73 points.

Give me a dman that plays both sides of the puck well (Bouwmeester) over Phaneuf any day of the year.try actually watching Phaneuf night in and night out... his positioning was greatly improved this year... he just couldn't get a decent first stride because of his hip... it also limited his hitting since she couldn't lead with the right side of his body... not to mention how a hip injury would make it extremely painful to shoot the puck... the injury effected every aspect of his game... this is why Phaneuf will not be traded... mark my words he will be a Norris nominee again next season barring any long term injuries

looks like that heatley trade for phaneuf i proposed a while back is more likely now hahaha your best player wants a trade that should lower his value especially after a poor year

Ohhh nooo??? Alfie asked for a trade too???

Would there be any interest in something around Pominville for Phaneauf?

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Where potential beats out proven products :facepalm:

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Where potential beats out proven products :facepalm:

Come on Brian Lee has so much potential.... I mean he could one day get nominated for a Norris.... Phaneuf sucks he had a terrible year...... Brian Lee > Phaneuf..... Volchenkov best in the show.... :shakehead:shakehead

Looks like someone else understands the abortion this thread is.