The Ultimate Fighter 10

Coaches: Quinton Jackson and Rashad Evans

The cast consists of 16 heavyweight fighters.

Cast members:

Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson - (3-1-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Kevin-Ferguson-22388

Zak Jensen - (7-3-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Zak-Jensen-24119

Marcus Jones - (4-1-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Marcus-Jones-25912

Scott Junk - (6-2-1) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Scott-Junk-12943

John Madsen - (1-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jon-Madsen-48820

James McSweeney - (3-4-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-McSweeney-22111

Matt Mitrione - (0-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Matt-Mitrione-49519

Roy Nelson - (13-4-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Roy-Nelson-10249

Demico Rogers - (1-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Demico-Rogers-49518

Brendan Schaub - (4-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brendan-Schaub-33926

Darril Schoonover - (10-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Darrill-Schoonover-33084

Wes Shivers - (0-0-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Wes-Shivers-49521

Wes Sims - (22-12-1) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Wes-Sims-2713

Abe Wagner - (6-2-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Abe-Wagner-15041

Mike Wessel - (6-1-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mike-Wessel-25524

Justin Wren - (6-1-0) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Justin-Wren-21401

http://www.aroundtheoctagon.com/?p=2389

10 minute preview for episode 1.

**** him.

**** that guy!

:laugh: They already hate Kimbo.

Rampage's fish out of water impersonation was great.

They better fight in December.

Roy Nelson, Marcus Jones and Brendan Schaub are all guys I can definitely see making the finals.

I love the trash talking between Rashad and Rampage, it's so childish and ridiculously hilarious.

Roy Nelson, Marcus Jones and Brendan Schaub are all guys I can definitely see making the finals.
Wes Sims is a guy I can see not making the finals! :biglaugh:

$10 says he's this season's Junie/Jeremy May/Gabe Ruediger.

This season has many things going for it... The main thing being that it has no possible way to be worse then last season. Even if they deliberately tried to make another season worse then last season I don't think they'd be able to accomplish it.

Entertaining drama from the two coaches for the cameras, some of the fighters have actual talent or raw athleticism that be be turned into talent and Greg Jackson who never fails to entertain when in someones corner ;)

I've never really followed the Ultimate Fighters show a lot, but this season looks pretty awesome. Some of the fighters look like monsters and it will be interesting to see if Kimbo has improved or not.

http://www.aroundtheoctagon.com/?p=2389

10 minute preview for episode 1.

lmao Kimbo looks scared ****less already. I bet he gets KO'd a minute into his first fight.

according to Wes Sims he's a great cook though :laugh:

e: my bad, it was one of the other fighters (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/26/1003272/kimbo-is-a-great-guy-schaub-said) who said that.

I love the trash talking between Rashad and Rampage, it's so childish and ridiculously hilarious.
I know, it's great. it is going to be so entertaining hearing these two guys jaw back and fourth.

also, this should be a fun season with the Big Boys. lot's of KO's I am thinking.



Evens: "what fight did you quit?"
Rampage: "I never quit.."
Evens: "yes you did."
Rampage: "I never quit..."
Evens: "Shogun, you quit against Shogun."
Rampage: I didn't quit against Shogun."
Evens: "you quit."

also, this should be a fun season with the Big Boys. lot's of KO's I am thinking.

I hope so. Funny thing was that last time they had heavyweights (Season 2), there wasn't a single knockout. In fact, the only finish for the heavies was Brad "I'm six foot eight but can still omaplata" Imes via triangle! :biglaugh:

I'm gonna watch this just for Kimbo

Man, that video was great. I haven't paid attention to TUF in a while (the only one I watched from time to time in recent seasons was the one with Fainting Phillipe, Escudero, etc)... but I'll probably watch this one.

lmao Kimbo looks scared ****less already. I bet he gets KO'd a minute into his first fight.

according to Wes Sims he's a great cook though :laugh:

e: my bad, it was one of the other fighters (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/26/1003272/kimbo-is-a-great-guy-schaub-said) who said that.I dunno man, I don't think Rampage is gonna rush Kimbo, I think he's gonna take him under his wing and try to keep him for the end. If Kimbo actually listens to Rampage and improved on the ground, I think he'll be a decent fighter. Hopefully Rashad's team doesn't win too many challenges. Thing about Kimbo is that everyone will tune in to either see him win or lose. Either way it's good for Dana White and the UFC.

I know, it's great. it is going to be so entertaining hearing these two guys jaw back and fourth.

also, this should be a fun season with the Big Boys. lot's of KO's I am thinking.



Evens: "what fight did you quit?"
Rampage: "I never quit.."
Evens: "yes you did."
Rampage: "I never quit..."
Evens: "Shogun, you quit against Shogun."
Rampage: I didn't quit against Shogun."
Evens: "you quit."One thing I found funny is that Rampage said he was only ever KO'ed once, but from my memory he's been knocked out 3 times (twice vs Wanderlei, once vs Shogun?) it might even be 4.

I dunno man, I don't think Rampage is gonna rush Kimbo, I think he's gonna take him under his wing and try to keep him for the end. If Kimbo actually listens to Rampage and improved on the ground, I think he'll be a decent fighter. Hopefully Rashad's team doesn't win too many challenges. Thing about Kimbo is that everyone will tune in to either see him win or lose. Either way it's good for Dana White and the UFC.

One thing I found funny is that Rampage said he was only ever KO'ed once, but from my memory he's been knocked out 3 times (twice vs Wanderlei, once vs Shogun?) it might even be 4.

I think he meant that he's never been out, out. Evans was completely out when Machida was done with him, I don't think Rampage has ever been out like that before.

I think he meant that he's never been out, out. Evans was completely out when Machida was done with him, I don't think Rampage has ever been out like that before.
Eh, you could make a compelling case for Page being just as out when Wanderlei left him on the ropes after the 842nd knee.

I think he meant that he's never been out, out. Evans was completely out when Machida was done with him, I don't think Rampage has ever been out like that before.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj252/mrpr25/WandKTFORampage1-1.gif

That's pretty much the only time though, the first loss to Wanderlei and the loss to Shogun, he wasn't actually knocked cold.
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Eh, you could make a compelling case for Page being just as out when Wanderlei left him on the ropes after the 842nd knee.
no question.

the craziest part was seeing the blood splatter on Wand's knees after leaving Rampage dangling in the ropes.

Eh, you could make a compelling case for Page being just as out when Wanderlei left him on the ropes after the 842nd knee.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj252/mrpr25/WandKTFORampage1-1.gif

That's pretty much the only time though, the first loss to Wanderlei and the loss to Shogun, he wasn't actually knocked cold.
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Huh, I've never actually seen that KO before for some reason, just the Shogun and other Axe Murderer knockouts. So, I guess 'Page doesn't even remember that.

Huh, I've never actually seen that KO before for some reason, just the Shogun and other Axe Murderer knockouts. So, I guess 'Page doesn't even remember that.
Shogun didn't knock him out. Rashad and Rampage have been knocked out cold once each. Against Shogun he gave up after the 1st round partly because his ribs were broken.

Shogun didn't knock him out. Rashad and Rampage have been knocked out cold once each. Against Shogun he gave up after the 1st round partly because his ribs were broken.

Oh I know that Shogun didn't knock him out, but they counted that loss as a "By KO" loss.

I'm just looking forward to this season, hopefully Rashad plays that Silva knee KO on the big screen or something.

Rampage is a Kimbo Slice fanboy. :laugh:

Huh, I've never actually seen that KO before for some reason, just the Shogun and other Axe Murderer knockouts. So, I guess 'Page doesn't even remember that.
It was after that brutal KO that Page "found god."

Hmm...perhaps god found him. :naughty:

I really hope Rampage gets his wish and lands Kimbo! I can't even imagine the conversations the 2 will have, should be hilllarious.

I might be in the minority but I hope Kimbo fairs out alright. He gets a bad shake, IMO. The only thing he's guilty of is taking what was given to him. If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 times, blame Gary Shaw and the rest of EliteXC for marketing him as one of the top MMA fighters in the game.

Kimbo earned my respect by going on TUF when he could've easily went to Japan and made a boatload of cash and been a huge draw (Japan loves the freakshow larger than life persona). I can't see him beating a guy like Roy Nelson, but I hope he makes it to the Semi's at the very least.

I really hope Rampage gets his wish and lands Kimbo! I can't even imagine the conversations the 2 will have, should be hilllarious.

I might be in the minority but I hope Kimbo fairs out alright. He gets a bad shake, IMO. The only thing he's guilty of is taking what was given to him. If it's been said once, it's been said 1000 times, blame Gary Shaw and the rest of EliteXC for marketing him as one of the top MMA fighters in the game.

Kimbo earned my respect by going on TUF when he could've easily went to Japan and made a boatload of cash and been a huge draw (Japan loves the freakshow larger than life persona). I can't see him beating a guy like Roy Nelson, but I hope he makes it to the Semi's at the very least.Either way, I see Dana offering Kimbo a 3 fight deal. Put him on those Spike TV cards, the ratings will be through the roof.

If Junie Browning can get fights, I don't see why Kimbo wouldn't.
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Roy Nelson would be the one to beat, I would assume?

should be an entertaining one, I will PVR this season for sure :)

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What Rampage did to that door is a sign of things to come. Rashad better be ready in Jan/Feb or whenever the fight is.

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What Rampage did to that door is a sign of things to come. Rashad better be ready in Jan/Feb or whenever the fight is.

I'm hoping that door thing is from Rashad drafting Kimbo.

What does that "the man who unified the Pride title" refer to when the voiceover was introducing Rampage? Did he get the Pride belts when he beat Hendo in the UFC?

I'm hoping that door thing is from Rashad drafting Kimbo.

I dunno. Weren't Rampage and Kimbo dancing during a training session? I think Kimbo might be on team Rampage.

What does that "the man who unified the Pride title" refer to when the voiceover was introducing Rampage? Did he get the Pride belts when he beat Hendo in the UFC?

Yeah he won one of them from Henderson.

Anderson Silva won the other one to unify the other title.

I will definitely take a look at this TUF. I never watched it before.

I dunno. Weren't Rampage and Kimbo dancing during a training session? I think Kimbo might be on team Rampage.

I was joking, Rampage already declared that Kimbo was on his team, I just thought it would be hilarious if Rashad drafted him just to piss off Rampage...maybe demand some draft conditions or something.

Say what you want about Kimbo Slice, he's a name and he's a draw. On that alone, this TUF is going to draw in a whole bunch of viewers that have probably never watched it before. Dana White is a smart *******.

This is probably the season of TUF i'm looking forward to the most. The house will be full of interesting characters like Simms , Kimbo , Big Country ect and with Rampage and Rashad as coaches it has the potential to be dynamite.

Talking about Simms , the guy had anm hilarious interview where he talk about Baroni having gay sex , porn and injuring chicks during sex. The guy clearly has some issues :laugh:

I'm hoping that door thing is from Rashad drafting Kimbo.I think that door thing was his reaction to kimbo getting petrezelli'd again

What Rampage did to that door is a sign of things to come. Rashad better be ready in Jan/Feb or whenever the fight is.

Rampage using kicks effectively, who's have thunk it :laugh:

Is there a thread that will be opened to discuss the Fight Night prior to the season opener to Ultimate Fighter?

Not a good first fight.

The guy on the bottom was doing nothing at all.

The smaller guy was a dick seriously. He went for a takedown on the hand-touch and he also went for a takedown the first time the ref brought them up before the ref said fight; the other guy wasn't even completely up yet.

Obviously he deserved to win this one compared to his lazy opponent but I still hope he gets knocked out later.

Holy **** that cut on Abe's head was absolutely nasty.

Fight wasn't that great though. Other than that it was an OK episode.

I remember now, why I stopped watching the Ultimate Fighter...the fights suck.

the dude Abe had NO idea how to get off his back once on the ground and made little to no effort to even try. I got as frustrated as Rampage with the dude too. ever stand up, Madsen shot in immediately and took him down. Rampage yelling "he's gonna do the same thing! he's gonna do the same thing!" and Abe just walked right into it. Madsen had some nice ground and pound, but the fight blew for the most part.

the fight was a snozefest and Madsen a total ****, now I'll be watching to see him and Kimbo get knocked out

I enjoyed the show, but the fight was a snoozer. Was anyone else suprised that Roy went so late in the picking? It made little sense to me, dude has to be the early favourite.:shakehead

Not a good first fight.

The guy on the bottom was doing nothing at all.

The smaller guy was a dick seriously. He went for a takedown on the hand-touch and he also went for a takedown the first time the ref brought them up before the ref said fight; the other guy wasn't even completely up yet.

Obviously he deserved to win this one compared to his lazy opponent but I still hope he gets knocked out later.

He was a dick for doing what he is supposed to? The guy is a wrestler so why would he want the other guy who was bigger and has better hands to get up.

reading comprehension? you got it?

That cut looked real deep. haha

also lulz when Rampage (IIRC) tried to draft the camera guy instead of the last fighter.

Terrible fight, but again, that's to be expected, especially with so many inexperienced guys in the house. Awful how much of a pure lay and pray fight it was. The guy didn’t even posture up when his coaches instructed him to, leaving his head firmly placed on Abe's chest the majority of the 10 minutes. I’m sure his next opponent will be better at guarding against takedowns and he’ll get smashed. They purposefully put some really big guys in the house, so it doesn’t bode well for such a runt. I think if he didn’t get lucky and bust him open so badly with a short elbow, you could make the case that he barely did any damage at all. I want Rashad to win, since I think Rampage is the antagonist here (I think he’s whipping it up since he’s coached on the show already, and he’s seen what a ratings boondoggle it is when the coaches feud), but that fight was forgettable—real quick.

I dunno about Nelson. While he's better than his body would indicate, if you look at his fight card, his wins in the IFL were against cans. His decision loss to Rothwell was, indeed, very close and IIRC, I had him pegged as the winner. Again, with so many huge guys on the show, it doesn’t bode well for such a small guy. And it appears that a lot of these fighters aren’t only big, but they are tremendous athletes as well.

I think Rashad wasted an opportunity by taking the first pick. Force Rampage to take Kimbo first and not only do you still get your first choice, but you get to pick the first two fights as well. I suppose it's a wash since Rashad got an ideal matchup. Even then, I think he could have handled it with better strategy.

Who else does Rampage have as his coaches? I saw Tiki Ghosn, but didn't recognize the others. With Mike Van Arsdale and Greg Jackson on Rashad's side, to me, there appears to be a major discrepancy in the coaching department, and that will only help Rashad's team in the long run.

Hector Ramiraz is one of Rampage's coaches. I also read Junior Perez and some Blackledge guy are his other coaches but I've never heard of either guy.

Hector Ramiraz is one of Rampage's coaches. I also read Junior Perez and some Blackledge guy are his other coaches but I've never heard of either guy.
Oh that's right, I did see him too. Another average fighter without a major skillset and has never found great success in the octagon. I think both Ghosn and Ramirez are old Team Oyama guys. Looks like Rampage picked his buddies and Rashad picked the best coaches out of his gym.

Being a casual fan I am finding myself not rooting against Kimbo, the dude is just more likable than some of the others on the show. I'll be completely shocked if he won this thing, but I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm sure some of the more diehard fans are just waiting for him to get his butt kicked, but the guy seems to care and wants to take advantage of this opportunity to get better.

I could be way off as the guy could be a tool. I'll watch, which is why they brought this guy on. Hopefully he makes the show interesting.

Oh that's right, I did see him too. Another average fighter without a major skillset and has never found great success in the octagon. I think both Ghosn and Ramirez are old Team Oyama guys. Looks like Rampage picked his buddies and Rashad picked the best coaches out of his gym.

yup, Rampage is a bad coach whose cornering seems to consist entirely of shouting "get up! get up!" (I noticed this on the season with Forrest as well), his coaching staff is also bad and he's picked an awful team to boot. Seriously, everyone I've heard of or seen mentioned as a potential show winner (Nelson, Schoonover, Schaub) ended up on Rashad's team, meanwhile Rampage has Kimbo, two ex-NFL players with no pro MMA experience, a third who almost died from exhaustion during their workout, a guy who got gogoplata'd by Brad Imes, a guy who got heel hooked by Christian Wellisch, and Wes Sims. Like, Wes Sims might legitimately be the best fighter on Rampage's team. :facepalm: There could very well be like one guy from his team left after the first elimination round.

e: this really says it all: http://news.fightmagazine.com/abe-wagners-tuf-10-blog-my-wrestling-needed-work-1375/

Now on to the interesting stuff; I was Rampage’s second pick overall after evaluations. Right after our team was formed, Rampage asked who wanted to fight right away, and me and one or two other guys raised their hands. Nothing really further was decided at that time, but about a half hour before the first fight announcement (and incidentally before we even had our first team practice) he approached me and told me he wanted me to fight first. I told him I was game and asked who he had in mind.

He told me John Madsen. I told him that while my stand up was good and my jiu jitsu was decent, my wrestling needed work and sometimes I’ll have trouble with a good wrestler. He told me he thought Madsen was only an average wrestler and not to worry about it. It turns out he’s a two-time national champion wrestler and that’s possibly the understatement of the year for me. I still didn’t think it was a good match up for me, but at some point, you just have to say that you’re there to fight and fight whoever is chosen for you. I just didn’t get why if we had control, he wouldn’t have picked someone I matched up better with. I didn’t think it was a very good strategic move for me or Team Rampage.

Do any of you know much about that Schaub guy (beyond football)? He must have some potential, as Greg Jackson fighters usually do.

Marcus Jones is a HUGE dude, I suspect if he catches anyone on the buttom they are going down fast. However, his cardio looked pretty bad, if someone gets him to the 2nd round he'll probably be toast.

I think Rampage is the antagonist here (I think he’s whipping it up since he’s coached on the show already, and he’s seen what a ratings boondoggle it is when the coaches feud), but that fight was forgettable—real quick.

I think you're right but Rashad is still a d**k.

I could be way off as the guy could be a tool. I'll watch, which is why they brought this guy on. Hopefully he makes the show interesting.

I don't think you are off, people hate on Kimbo because of EliteXC but at times he seems like a pretty good guy. Schaub had some great things to say about him in his first blog for Junkie:

Now, as all of you saw in the recent preview clip, I made some pretty aggressive comments about Kimbo. You guys need to realize I was already in a fighting mindset and thinking I was going to fight at any moment. And all I know about Kimbo was his "street certified" credentials, which I assumed like everyone else he was a "fake." However, let me be the first to say that after spending a significant amount of time with Kimbo, I now know those assumptions couldn't be further from the truth. Kimbo is a good fighter and very talented – not to mention a great guy. I'm a huge fan.

I think Rashad wasted an opportunity by taking the first pick. Force Rampage to take Kimbo first and not only do you still get your first choice, but you get to pick the first two fights as well. I suppose it's a wash since Rashad got an ideal matchup. Even then, I think he could have handled it with better strategy.


I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know Dana White. Not personally, but in the "what would Dana White do", kind of way. There was no way that Kimbo was in the octagon in the Season Premiere. They're saving that because they *know* that half the people watching are waiting for Kimbo. It would be a ratings nightmare to have had Kimbo on the reverse of the "fight" that we saw last night.

I doubt Dana White told them explicitly to not pick Kimbo, but I doubt Dana White ever tells anybody explicitly to do anything. However, that does not mean it does not happen the way he wants it.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know Dana White. Not personally, but in the "what would Dana White do", kind of way. There was no way that Kimbo was in the octagon in the Season Premiere. They're saving that because they *know* that half the people watching are waiting for Kimbo. It would be a ratings nightmare to have had Kimbo on the reverse of the "fight" that we saw last night.

I doubt Dana White told them explicitly to not pick Kimbo, but I doubt Dana White ever tells anybody explicitly to do anything. However, that does not mean it does not happen the way he wants it.
I agree, that the need to shelter him coupled with fact that they probably couldn't get together 32 legit heavyweights are the most likely factors for abandoning the somewhat new practice of having guys fight the first day to earn a spot on the show.

Are you saying you think that Rashad would have picked Kimbo to fight in either of the first two fights? There's probably easier matchups out there, especially considering Kimbo spend a good year or so training under Bas Rutten. While his wrestling isn't that great, it couldn't have been any worse than Abe's last night. You could be right, he may have picked him out of the gate, but now there's nothing stopping him from picking Kimbo to fight in the third fight.

I still think it would have been more to Rashad's benefit to elect to set the matchups versus picking first since he knew exactly who Rampage wanted most.

Being a casual fan I am finding myself not rooting against Kimbo, the dude is just more likable than some of the others on the show. I'll be completely shocked if he won this thing, but I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm sure some of the more diehard fans are just waiting for him to get his butt kicked, but the guy seems to care and wants to take advantage of this opportunity to get better.

I could be way off as the guy could be a tool. I'll watch, which is why they brought this guy on. Hopefully he makes the show interesting.

I want to see Kimbo smash that guy who said "**** him" when he was announced.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I know Dana White. Not personally, but in the "what would Dana White do", kind of way.

I doubt Dana White told them explicitly to not pick Kimbo, but I doubt Dana White ever tells anybody explicitly to do anything. However, that does not mean it does not happen the way he wants it.

You obviously don't know Dana that well then. He tells people how he wants it, and has never done it differently.

I also saw a post that said Kimbo will get a 3 fight deal, and I concur. It won't be right away, but think of how many people will watch just to see Kimbo. If he can train well (like he has been), then I think he has a decent shot.

I'd also like to see an explanation as to why people don't like him. Did he force you to watch his Youtube videos? Do you not like him because he's bald on top and has a beard? Do you not like him because he's your father? I don't think 1 person will be able to come up with a valid argument. I'm not one of his "fanbois", but I don't hate him and I actually want to see him do something with what's been given to him.

I agree, that the need to shelter him coupled with fact that they probably couldn't get together 32 legit heavyweights are the most likely factors for abandoning the somewhat new practice of having guys fight the first day to earn a spot on the show.

Are you saying you think that Rashad would have picked Kimbo to fight in either of the first two fights? There's probably easier matchups out there, especially considering Kimbo spend a good year or so training under Bas Rutten. While his wrestling isn't that great, it couldn't have been any worse than Abe's last night. You could be right, he may have picked him out of the gate, but now there's nothing stopping him from picking Kimbo to fight in the third fight.

I still think it would have been more to Rashad's benefit to elect to set the matchups versus picking first since he knew exactly who Rampage wanted most.

The thing about the fight selection is that Madsen was likely the best pure wrestling background on the entire show and had he faced Kimbo, I don't doubt it would have been much of the same as it was with Wagner. I think people highly overestimate a puncher's chance in the UFC. Kimbo would have likely been neutralized by a world class wrestler like Madsen, who I think is a strong candidate to go really far in this. The thing about Madsen v Wagner last night was that Madsen knew that Wagner was leaking like a faucet. He didn't have to mount up or transition and risk leaving something behind for even an inexperienced BJJ fighter.

For Madsen, I doubt there is anybody on the show that wants to go to the ground with him. In the same vein though, the first fighter that can keep him on his feet will beat him.

As for Kimbo, I do think he would have been selected as one of the first two fights. I think if it hadn't have been so risky to put him in right away, Dana White would have rather had him go out and totally thrash somebody just to build the hype. However, the risk/reward of that didn't play considering what happened the last time EliteXC tried to wrap up a victory for Kimbo.

Fair enough. All valid points.

You obviously don't know Dana that well then. He tells people how he wants it, and has never done it differently.

I meant in the sense of fixing fights and telling fighters what to do once the fight enters the octagon. I don't think he would have been able to keep it under wraps this long had he ever instructed people to take dives or throw fights. That was kind of my point. I know that Dana White is a micro manager of his organization from top to bottom.



I'd also like to see an explanation as to why people don't like him. Did he force you to watch his Youtube videos? Do you not like him because he's bald on top and has a beard? Do you not like him because he's your father? I don't think 1 person will be able to come up with a valid argument. I'm not one of his "fanbois", but I don't hate him and I actually want to see him do something with what's been given to him.

I do not dislike Kimbo Slice. He is quite a bit different than he was portrayed in his youtube videos. I think the main thing that turned people off about Kimbo was the assumption, based on his videos, that he was some kind of ghetto bully that would go around picking fights with people woefully unequipped to handle him. I think that was more of a creation of his "handlers" at the time than it was of him. Hearing somebody scream, "platinum empire records baby! this is how we eat", after he knocked out some 350 lb. slug just screamed low rent petty thug.

After more exposure to Kimbo, I am convinced that he respects the game and realizes that he has a long battle uphill to relevancy.

You obviously don't know Dana that well then. He tells people how he wants it, and has never done it differently.

I also saw a post that said Kimbo will get a 3 fight deal, and I concur. It won't be right away, but think of how many people will watch just to see Kimbo. If he can train well (like he has been), then I think he has a decent shot.
Wellll, the whole "winner gets a 'six-figure' contract" is the most misleading premise of the show. I think after the first season, we saw that the UFC uses the show to evaluate talent and inject any and all fighters who they see with potential into their ranks. Hell, the six-figure contract, when spread out over 3 years x 3 fights, amounts to just a bit over 10K per fight. Of course the true compensation for the winner of the show is a better push and inevitably better sponsorship, but who's to say that wouldn't have come naturally since the more gifted fighters end up rewarded with those amenities anyways. Look at the UFC's roster though, it's literally littered with ex-TUF alumnus...most of whom didn't even make the finals. The ones that lose twice are usually cut and never heard from again. Darwinian athletics at its best!

So I won't be shocked if the UFC is signs Kimbo to three fights regardless of how he fares on the show. Of course, if he gets embarrassed in his first fight, he can be cut just as swiftly without having to be compensated in any way--based on the structure of the UFC's contracts.


I'd also like to see an explanation as to why people don't like him. Did he force you to watch his Youtube videos? Do you not like him because he's bald on top and has a beard? Do you not like him because he's your father? I don't think 1 person will be able to come up with a valid argument. I'm not one of his "fanbois", but I don't hate him and I actually want to see him do something with what's been given to him.
I think Vagrant got it right. I think many of the sports purists mainly just want to see him lose since they don't feel that he's put in his due time to get where he is. To be honest, I've always viewed him as a humble, down to earth guy who understands that inside the ring or cage, most of the time he'll be outclassed. Essentially he knows his place. He's shown a willingness to learn, and even though he's a bit old to be breaking into the game, I've seen no reason not to give him a shot. It's not his fault that EliteXC and the shady Shaws threw a large bag of money in front of him.

I'd also like to see an explanation as to why people don't like him. Did he force you to watch his Youtube videos? Do you not like him because he's bald on top and has a beard? Do you not like him because he's your father? I don't think 1 person will be able to come up with a valid argument. I'm not one of his "fanbois", but I don't hate him and I actually want to see him do something with what's been given to him.

I'm kind of in the same boat. You can tell he has been thru a life time of tough times and he is not going to waste this opportunity by not giving a 100%. The guy is just really likable and it could also be my tendancy to root for an underdog, but I'd like to see him not get his butt handed to him by a more well rounded MMAer. Hopefully he holds his own and wins a fight or two and earns some respect from that crowd (Dana).

I want to see Kimbo smash that guy who said "**** him" when he was announced.

The same guy that said that has since come out and said:

Now, as all of you saw in the recent preview clip, I made some pretty aggressive comments about Kimbo. You guys need to realize I was already in a fighting mindset and thinking I was going to fight at any moment. And all I know about Kimbo was his "street certified" credentials, which I assumed like everyone else he was a "fake." However, let me be the first to say that after spending a significant amount of time with Kimbo, I now know those assumptions couldn't be further from the truth. Kimbo is a good fighter and very talented – not to mention a great guy. I'm a huge fan.

I think Vagrant got it right. I think many of the sports purists mainly just want to see him lose since they don't feel that he's put in his due time to get where he is. To be honest, I've always viewed him as a humble, down to earth guy who understands that inside the ring or cage, most of the time he'll be outclassed. Essentially he knows his place. He's shown a willingness to learn, and even though he's a bit old to be breaking into the game, I've seen no reason not to give him a shot. It's not his fault that EliteXC and the shady Shaws threw a large bag of money in front of him.

The guy in your avatar disagrees,

"He just turned into a different guy, he didn't need to do the things that I told him to do. He wasn't going to go to the ground, you know? The day before the [Petruzelli] fight, I told him I wanted to go over heel hooks and escapes, and he said "Nah, its not going to go to the ground".

http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=2626


Should be an interesting season though, I'll echo what has been said, I don't know what Rampage was thinking when picking his team, and Nelson going down that far? Wow.

The guy in your avatar disagrees,
Yeah, and that's the reason that Bas walked away from training him. However, a willingness to learn and an inability to listen to coaching are two different things.

Yeah, and that's the reason that Bas walked away from training him. However, a willingness to learn and an inability to listen to coaching are two different things.

Fair point.

Maybe the fact that he gets to guard (and fondle) "actresses" is part of the reason the other fighters don't like him :sarcasm:

Just wondering if anyone knows why Kimbo is listed there :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Fighter:_Heavyweights_Finale

An idiot put his name there or it's a fight unrelated to the TUF10?

Just wondering if anyone knows why Kimbo is listed there :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Fighter:_Heavyweights_Finale

An idiot put his name there or it's a fight unrelated to the TUF10?

you know there is a citation with a link right next to it...

http://www.cagepotato.com/interview-kimbo-slice-talks-tuf-10-ray-mercer-rampage-jackson-more

I assume you’ll be fighting in the finale.

Yes, in December.

I dunno about Nelson. While he's better than his body would indicate, if you look at his fight card, his wins in the IFL were against cans. His decision loss to Rothwell was, indeed, very close and IIRC, I had him pegged as the winner. Again, with so many huge guys on the show, it doesn’t bode well for such a small guy. And it appears that a lot of these fighters aren’t only big, but they are tremendous athletes as well.
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Nelson was holding his own and even had the advantage against Arlovski before the BS stand up. I don't think the guy will ever become an elite fighter but i also doubt that all of these former NFL players would be able to hang with AA like he did.

Big Country may not win the whole thing but he should do pretty well imho.

Roy Nelson is going to lose his first fight unless they wait 8 weeks for him to get in shape before they give it to him. He may be strong, but his physique is embarrassing as compared to everybody around him.

What Nelson does have is veteran savvy, and that will come in handy. However, he's competing against a bunch of guys that are in peak physical condition. If you look at the guys he fought previously, excluding AA obviously, they were all built just like him.

Nelson is going to be outclassed, and how.

Brendan Schaub is the breakout star of this group, and you can quote me on that. He is taking to MMA like a duck to water. He was boxing for 6 months and earned a Golden Gloves championship. He's a freak athlete. Plus, he's one of the few guys on this season that I wouldn't really be concerned about either on his feet or on the ground. He's going to have to tone down his attitude a bit, but that's youthful exuberance.

Yeah, Nelson looks like all he's been doing to train for the show is sitting around eating potato chips and drinking beer. He's going to have to get in shape real quick unless he can KO every guy in the first round.

Nelson just looks like that all the time.

And, as mentioned, he came close with Rothwell and looked pretty good hanging with AA. Plus, he was on the losing end of a questionable decision against Monson, who's a great grappler, on a massive win streak, and a consensus top-20 HW... and he's cut up, if that matters.

After many failed attempts at picking the guy who I'd seen the most going into a season of TUF (Ed Herman and CB Dolloway come to mind -- though both finalists if I do pat myself on the back :naughty:) I'm not going to simply pick Nelson because I've seen him so much and because a few experts have picked him by the same criteria. He hung with Arlovski and Rothwell, but at the end of the day, he didn't win either. And his streak in the IFL was against some pretty sub-par competition. I know he's legit...but with a bag of unknowns that all appear to have more physical gifts than Nelson, I think he's hardly a shoe in.

The guy in your avatar disagrees,



http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=2626


Should be an interesting season though, I'll echo what has been said, I don't know what Rampage was thinking when picking his team, and Nelson going down that far? Wow.

Bas was one of the best fighters ever, but let's not put too much stock into that. The main reason I say this is his coaching doesn't appear to be that great. Has he ever produced a legit fighter? To me he's like Rampage, great fighter, terrible coach.

I'm not going to simply pick Nelson because I've seen him so much and because a few experts have picked him by the same criteria. He hung with Arlovski and Rothwell, but at the end of the day, he didn't win either. And his streak in the IFL was against some pretty sub-par competition. I know he's legit...but with a bag of unknowns that all appear to have more physical gifts than Nelson, I think he's hardly a shoe in.

I think you've officially swayed my opinion. :) I thought Roy would be a shoe-in for the finals based on his experience but the more I think of it the more I realize it's just a crap shoot. As you said his record is filled with alot of wins over mediocore competition and he's lost any fight against high end competition. He did have good showings against AA and Big Ben, but as you said, a loss is a loss.

I still think he may end up in the final, semi's for sure, but it is far from a lock like the majority of "experts" say.

I've heard good things about Schoonover, but on the show he just looks like a fat 205'er. (He's the guy Rampage & co. were making fun of for having boobs :laugh: ). Nonetheless he's 10-0 as a pro (5 TKOs / 5 subs) including a win over Rex Richards in his last fight who's a huge and pretty decent heavyweight. He, Schaub or Nelson look like the favourites to me. But it's hard to tell with so many guys with very few pro fights.

What an hilarious 2nd round. They were both out of gas by the end of the first round. I can't watch this anymore, I need real fights.

Didn't agree with the decision either. I thought Wes won the first round pretty clearly and it would go to a 3rd round (IE both fighers would die of exhaustion).

I missed the entire episode, can anyone give me a recap?

Kimbo Slice vs Roy Nelson next week.

Kimbo Slice vs Roy Nelson next week.Judging by the previews it looks like Kimbo catches Roy with a big right, wonder if he KO's him. Can't wait.

Roy Nelson is going to lose his first fight unless they wait 8 weeks for him to get in shape before they give it to him. He may be strong, but his physique is embarrassing as compared to everybody around him.

What Nelson does have is veteran savvy, and that will come in handy. However, he's competing against a bunch of guys that are in peak physical condition. If you look at the guys he fought previously, excluding AA obviously, they were all built just like him.

Nelson is going to be outclassed, and how.

Brendan Schaub is the breakout star of this group, and you can quote me on that. He is taking to MMA like a duck to water. He was boxing for 6 months and earned a Golden Gloves championship. He's a freak athlete. Plus, he's one of the few guys on this season that I wouldn't really be concerned about either on his feet or on the ground. He's going to have to tone down his attitude a bit, but that's youthful exuberance.

I've been saying Schaub is a favorite for a long time now. You're technically quoting me ;)

That was one of the more embarrassing showcases of conditioning I've ever seen between two fighters. For going #1 to Rashad, McSweeney looked pretty terrible outside of leg kicks. And Wes is just all size, although I was surprised he almost locked in that submission in the 1st.

Once they showed they were announcing the next fight, you knew it was Kimbo. The two most marketable names so far going up against each other next, should be interesting to see how the loser reacts about staying in the house and continuing to train.

What an hilarious 2nd round. They were both out of gas by the end of the first round. I can't watch this anymore, I need real fights.

Didn't agree with the decision either. I thought Wes won the first round pretty clearly and it would go to a 3rd round (IE both fighers would die of exhaustion).

I agree it definitely should have gone to round 3. I don't get how Wes lost the 1st round.

Nelson vs Kimbo next week! Kimbo gonna get knocked out.

I missed the entire episode, can anyone give me a recap?

an awful fight between awful fighters with awful cardio

But if you want more info, click here: http://mmajunkie.com/news/16285/episode-no-2-recap-the-ultimate-fighter-10-heavyweights.mma

I don't know how McSweeny won that fight tonight. It at least should have gone to a third round, though, it probably would have killed them. I thought Wes should have won, just due to McSweeny's running away and his inability to do much except at the end of the fight.

That was one of the worst fights I've ever witnessed.

Wes should have won, had the 1st round close and could have gone either way but Wes won the 2nd without a doubt in my mind

That fight was great for about 2:00 mins, then it went down faster than Elton John at a pride parade. I can't beleive McSweeney's conditioning was so poor, you would think a Greg Jackson trained fighter wouldn't be gassing in a fight, yet alone after a round.

I'm really looking forward to next week, we'll see how far Kimbo as come since his EliteXC days. Roy is not only the best fighter Kimbo has faced, he's also the most well rounded. Kimbo's in tough, I'll be rooting for him.

Wow, that was a sloppy fight. It should've either went to a 3rd round or Wes should've got the decision imo.

I was looking forward to next week's episode but thanks to the visible spoiler above I now know who wins. Learn how to use spoiler tags properly next time.

I was looking forward to next week's episode but thanks to the visible spoiler above I now know who wins. Learn how to use spoiler tags properly next time.

Who knows how legit the source really is. Every season someone on a message board claims to have inside sources, they end up being fabricated 98% of the time. The entire house vote thing makes me think it's complete BS. The fights are judged by legit judges, not always competent, but legit. I can't see Dana and Co slapping them in the face like that.

I'd be really suprised if a Kimbo/Roy fight went the distance, Kimbo either gets sub'd or he KOs him before the 3rd round, IMO.

Abars ... no spoilers please.

And, yes, learn to use the spoiler tags if you're going to post spoilers (on any board).

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I've been saying Schaub is a favorite for a long time now. You're technically quoting me ;)

If it's not in this thread, it never happened. :sarcasm:

But seriously, I had no idea you were a Schaub guy. I just really like what i've seen out of this kid.

I think Roy Nelson is cocky/dumb enough to get caught by Kimbo. Nelson, on paper, is a good fighter but the way people talked like he's the clear #1 favorite was funny to me. What's his best pro win, Brad Imes?

Ok a recap...

So Far Rampage's coaching goes like this....

EP 1 Rampage Coaching Tip: Tells fully mounted guy in EP 1........."Get Up"
EP 2 Rampage Coaching Tip: Tells Shivers who is gassed and taking a break in mount to......"Go To Work"

Awesome! I can't wait to hear what he tells Kimbo.....

In honesty, the sheer adrenaline of getting somebody in mount should let you know to start dropping the bombs. That's not an easy position to gain and had Shivers capitalized on that he would have grounded him out during that sequence. The rest cost Shivers the mount. I actually agreed with Rampage there. If you're going to mount up, then drop those elbows. Don't lay on a guy in that situation. There are better times to rest considering both guys were gassed.

The sad reality of that fight last night is that the biggest losers were the fans watching it. Just a brutal fight. Neither of these guys wanted it bad enough to fight through the fatigue. They blew their wad in the first round and then spent the next five minutes of the fight grabbing their knees and sucking wind. Just an embarrassing showing.

I think Roy Nelson is cocky/dumb enough to get caught by Kimbo. Nelson, on paper, is a good fighter but the way people talked like he's the clear #1 favorite was funny to me. What's his best pro win, Brad Imes?

Most likely, he's probably gained more hype in his tight losses to A.A and Rothwell.

It's MMA and anything can happen, but based on experience and him being a very well rounded fighter, I think most viewed Roy as the favourite going in (could also be because you didn't really know a whole lot about anyone else, similar to when Joe Lauzon was on TUF).

It's like any MMA match, the odds makers always favour the guy with the bigger name, Roy's name is bigger than anyone on that show not named Kimbo. Whether that's fair or not is another question.

In honesty, the sheer adrenaline of getting somebody in mount should let you know to start dropping the bombs. That's not an easy position to gain and had Shivers capitalized on that he would have grounded him out during that sequence. The rest cost Shivers the mount. I actually agreed with Rampage there. If you're going to mount up, then drop those elbows. Don't lay on a guy in that situation. There are better times to rest considering both guys were gassed.

The sad reality of that fight last night is that the biggest losers were the fans watching it. Just a brutal fight. Neither of these guys wanted it bad enough to fight through the fatigue. They blew their wad in the first round and then spent the next five minutes of the fight grabbing their knees and sucking wind. Just an embarrassing showing.
I was very disappointed with McSweeney's kickboxing, considering the hype he received from Rashad, and some guy saying he'd been in over 100 matches.

The leg kicks were fine, but he didn't offer any combos past a jab, didn't even try a mid kick, and his high kicks were wild and inaccurate.

I was very disappointed with McSweeney's kickboxing, considering the hype he received from Rashad, and some guy saying he'd been in over 100 matches.

The leg kicks were fine, but he didn't offer any combos past a jab, didn't even try a mid kick, and his high kicks were wild and inaccurate.

But what about the way he turned and straight ran away from Shivers at times? If that defence doesn't impress you I don't know what to say? :sarcasm:

McSweeney certainly didn't live up to the hype.

But what about the way he turned and straight ran away from Shivers at times? If that defence doesn't impress you I don't know what to say? :sarcasm:

McSweeney certainly didn't live up to the hype.
You weren't enthralled by the random jumping kicks with no sort of accuracy to them?

I've only been watching MMA for a few years and I've only seen what have been considered classic matches from previous years, but that was, by far, the worst MMA match I have ever watched.

Considering McSweeney's pedigree and where he trains, that was a horrible individual performance. Both guys were terrible overall and I was thankful I didn't have to watch another round to determine a winner. Both guys deserved to lose.

Sorry about the spoiler, didn't know it was against the rules.

I agree the striking thus far has been brutal. For a vet of over 100 kickboxing matches I expect more than jumping front kicks-Amir Sadollah style.

What im left wondering is how the heck that bum got into Greg Jacksons camp in the first place?

You gotta remember, Greg Jackson still has to make money.

You weren't enthralled by the random jumping kicks with no sort of accuracy to them?

Sadly, his wild flailing was the most entertaining part of the fight...

My favorite part of the fight was how Shivers stuck 100% to what he said he'd do. Then he gassed about two minutes in and that was that.

That was a bad fight--for sure--but I've seen worse. Anyone remember Marquardt-Saliverry? Eddie Sanchez-Soa Palelei? Kevin Jordan-Gabriel Gonzaga? Dean Lister--anyone? The entire catalog of heavyweight fights on TUF Season 2? :D

Oh, it could have been a lot worse. At least it wasn't a pure jits guy against McSweeney with the most offense being leg kicks to a guy doing butt scoots for 2 rounds.

The fight actually had the benefit of being so incredibly bad that it crossed the line into being entertaining. Like, Shivers was so tired at one point that he leaned into the cage and draped his arm over the top of it while McSweeney made mean faces at him from 15 feet away, I couldn't help but bust out laughing.

by the way here's a deleted scene that makes me think McSweeney is kind of a dick, hopefully he loses next round (he will if he fights anyone decent)

http://www.spike.com/video/trouble-in-paradise/3254143

Wow...I've never seen two guys gas that badly that quickly, seriously? They want to be professional fighters with cardio like that?

Wow...I've never seen two guys gas that badly that quickly, seriously? They want to be professional fighters with cardio like that?

So baffling to me. If you are in the process of getting on this show, the only thing you could dramatically improve on in such a short period of time is your conditioning. Your striking, jitz, muy thai, wrestling, etc. aren't going to improve much, if at all in a short period, but you can control your conditioning.

If it's not in this thread, it never happened. :sarcasm:

But seriously, I had no idea you were a Schaub guy. I just really like what i've seen out of this kid.

I really haven't been able to post much with school. I'm insanely busy.

But yeah, I liked Schaub since I looked the guy up when he was first announced. His videos clearly show he has skill. And he seems very likable.

The thing about these TUF fights is that these guys are obviously nobodies to your average MMA fan. When you take a nobody and throw him in front of Dana White, Rampage Jackson, a slew of famous MMA trainers, and almost the entire MMA viewing public..... you're going to have your heart rate up a little.

When you're so passionate and pumped up, it's easy to put 100% into a strike that should have just been a place holder. Once the "RAHHHHHHHHH", energy runs out.... you find that you're totally gassed.

I think that was the case here. Two guys with less than a handful of MMA bouts to their credit going balls out for 1:30 and then hitting the wall. You can't maintain that kind of pace for ONE round let alone two.

If anything, that is what worries me from a cheering for Kimbo stance this upcoming week. Roy Nelson is obviously not going to come out trading punches with Kimbo. If Nelson gets him to the ground early, then he has a good chance to LNP until Kimbo gets tired and then swoop in for the finish. That is, if he can get Kimbo off his feet and into his guard. That is obviously the challenge.

I must say though, I am ridiculously impressed by the brief clips they have shown of Kimbo working on his takedown defense and counters. We'll see if that holds up against a guy who obviously knows his way around the ground game. Kimbo on his back is useless.

The thing about these TUF fights is that these guys are obviously nobodies to your average MMA fan. When you take a nobody and throw him in front of Dana White, Rampage Jackson, a slew of famous MMA trainers, and almost the entire MMA viewing public..... you're going to have your heart rate up a little.

When you're so passionate and pumped up, it's easy to put 100% into a strike that should have just been a place holder. Once the "RAHHHHHHHHH", energy runs out.... you find that you're totally gassed.

I think that was the case here. Two guys with less than a handful of MMA bouts to their credit going balls out for 1:30 and then hitting the wall. You can't maintain that kind of pace for ONE round let alone two.

If anything, that is what worries me from a cheering for Kimbo stance this upcoming week. Roy Nelson is obviously not going to come out trading punches with Kimbo. If Nelson gets him to the ground early, then he has a good chance to LNP until Kimbo gets tired and then swoop in for the finish. That is, if he can get Kimbo off his feet and into his guard. That is obviously the challenge.

I must say though, I am ridiculously impressed by the brief clips they have shown of Kimbo working on his takedown defense and counters. We'll see if that holds up against a guy who obviously knows his way around the ground game. Kimbo on his back is useless.

McSweeney has a really long combat sport history though, he should know how to pace himself.

And, about Kimbo, if it's not just acting for tv I'm pretty impressed with how humble he has been.

They never showed Rampage breaking that door apart like they showed in the preview for this week's episode.

Who knows how legit the source really is. Every season someone on a message board claims to have inside sources, they end up being fabricated 98% of the time. The entire house vote thing makes me think it's complete BS. The fights are judged by legit judges, not always competent, but legit. I can't see Dana and Co slapping them in the face like that.

I'd be really suprised if a Kimbo/Roy fight went the distance, Kimbo either gets sub'd or he KOs him before the 3rd round, IMO.
You could very well be right. I remember reading a spoiler saying Junie would beat Efrain but that didn't happen. The letting the fighters vote thing does seem very far fetched and like you said a slap in the face to the judges.

http://i37.tinypic.com/33ndy8i.png

They never showed Rampage breaking that door apart like they showed in the preview for this week's episode.

I'm pretty sure that was a season preview rather than an episode preview.

http://i37.tinypic.com/33ndy8i.png

Yeah FYI, the link still showed up for me through the spoiler. So, I didn't realize it was a spoiler

Thanks, so much for next Wednesday's episode.

Yeah FYI, the link still showed up for me through the spoiler. So, I didn't realize it was a spoiler

Thanks, so much for next Wednesday's episode.

I wouldn't consider that much of a spoiler unless the UFC/Spike are complete idiots and gave away the ending of the fight in their preview for the episode.

I wouldn't consider that much of a spoiler unless the UFC/Spike are complete idiots and gave away the ending of the fight in their preview for the episode.Agreed, but Big Country is definitely gonna be at the very least knocked down by that right.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f56/roy-nelson-says-kimbo-would-threat-205-a-1056490/

Is it just me, or is Nelson sort of spoiling it?

"I guess the only way they wanted Kimbo to lose was to a reputable fighter [like myself] to keep him relevant in the mainstay."

"If I were to fight Kimbo outside in a regular UFC fight [on a pay-per-view] I would probably stand up and bang to give the fans what they want to see but on the show you have to strategize to make sure you take the least punishment to win the fight. It doesn’t matter who you’re fighting, you want to take them down and submit them or pound them out but you always want to take the least amount of damage."

Yeah FYI, the link still showed up for me through the spoiler. So, I didn't realize it was a spoiler

Thanks, so much for next Wednesday's episode.

You saw a link with a white box around it that said SPOIL: right above it and didn't realize it was a link to a spoiler, eh. Yup, sounds like it's entirely the other guy's fault. :laugh:

Christ, it's not even that much of a spoiler. Nelson takes a hard punch at some point during his fight with a hard puncher, you don't say :amazed:

According to a guy I know who trains with Mike Wessell all of team Rashad has problems by the end of the season. Including Wessell punching Roy Nelson in a hot tub.

from the same source as the last spoiler. kimbo doesn't make the finale but petruzelli/slice 2 will be on the finale card

:shakehead Terrible.

OK fight but Nelson looks as fat as me, and that's just crazy. He couldn't last in a long fight.

Hearing Dana talk about Nelson acting high and mighty because of his win was pretty funny.


And the other guy collapsing (previews)? Seems weird... does this guy have a respiratory problem or something or is he just not in good enough shape to follow the training? Second time in 4 episodes.

Dana's mad.

you know damn well Kimbo's coming back. That's why they made sure to show you Marcus' injury in an episode that should have been 100% about Kimbo/Roy

Herb Dean should have stood that fight up on at least 2 occasions...ridiculous lay and pray by Nelson there.

I thought Kimbo looked pretty good in the standup, was really quick on his feet.

I was hoping that cheesburger walrus would get knocked out.

:shakehead Terrible.

Honestly, a pretty shameful performance by Nelson. Yes, he did what he needed to do to get the win, but he barely inflicted any damage and was clearly taking the easiest route to the victory. Aside from a feeble attempt at a kimura, he had no intention to do anything on the ground past that crucifix and rapid bunch combo. Lame. Good gameplan for a reality show, but a cowardly way out. A guy with as good of a ground game as him should have legitimately tried to finish the fight.

Kimbo is still too upright and rigid in his standup. His hands and combos are good enough, but he really needs to work on his footwork.

Herb Dean should have stood that fight up on at least 2 occasions...ridiculous lay and pray by Nelson there.
You're not serious. Say what you will about Nelson's antics, but there was no moment during that fight where it should have been stood up. Good luck getting a ref to standup a guy when he's got the mount.

Honestly, a pretty shameful performance by Nelson. Yes, he did what he needed to do to get the win, but he barely inflicted any damage and was clearly taking the easiest route to the victory. Aside from a feeble attempt at a kimura, he had no intention to do anything on the ground past that crucifix and rapid bunch combo. Lame. Good gameplan for a reality show, but a cowardly way out. A guy with as good of a ground game as him should have legitimately tried to finish the fight.

Kimbo is still too upright and rigid in his standup. His hands and combos are good enough, but he really needs to work on his footwork.


You're not serious. Say what you will about Nelson's antics, but there was no moment during that fight where it should have been stood up. Good luck getting a ref to standup a guy when he's got the mount.

I've got no significant problem with Nelson's gameplan or his actions. Where the problem for me comes in is him gloating about his "great" "entertaining" performance. He took advantage of Kimbo's laziness/foolishness. He's claimed to want to be apart of this sport for a few years now and had clearly put in zero effort to learning any ground game prior to the show. It's Kimbo's fault... Just don't gloat to me that you put on a show when you really didn't even try to finish your opponent on any level.

Anyone know where I can watch just the fights online? I don't care about the reality show, I just want to see the (usually terrible) fights.

I have no problem with what Roy did and I hate him as much as anybody here. What I do have a problem with, however, is the fact that Kimbo is so in his own head that he's afraid to let them go. He was obsessed with takedown defense and they spent a whole minute at the start of the fight throwing parry jabs. Honestly, when you have hands like Kimbo does then take the fight to him. He connected flush once or twice and nearly rocked that fat turd. I remember one instance in particular that Kimbo put a pretty good combo up and Nelson fell back against the cage. Kimbo should have smelled blood right there and gotten inside of Nelson and worked him over.

I swear, somebody needs to get to Kimbo and tell him that being an aggressive striker is his ONLY salvageable attribute. He's not going to be Frank Mir after having started ground work at 32 years old. I mean honestly, go back and watch his youtube videos. Not for technique, but for aggressive strikes. Kimbo was blessed with a hammer for a right arm and he's afraid to use it because he's scared he's going to get clinched up or taken down. Well..... how is that working for you my friend?

I have never seen such a naturally skilled striker fight with the amount of fear in his heart that Kimbo does. He should have come out and pushed that cow into a corner and beat him until he was unrecognizable. Instead, he tries to throw a knee.... a ****ing knee... in the middle of a shoot attempt by a superior ground fighter. Sprawl, Kimbo. He let his fat ass fall all over him.

So baffling to me. If you are in the process of getting on this show, the only thing you could dramatically improve on in such a short period of time is your conditioning. Your striking, jitz, muy thai, wrestling, etc. aren't going to improve much, if at all in a short period, but you can control your conditioning.

I just saw this fight the other night, it was one of the worst I've ever witnessed. I don't know what's worse, how quickly they gassed, or how pathetic their fighting was. Turning your back and running away to gain space? Really?

Just watched the Kimbo fight. Don't really understand the criticism of Nelson. At 35, Kimbo still has absolutely no respect for ground game. A BJJ blue belt giving up 80 pounds could win a fight with Kimbo. When one person is that terrible in one area of mixed martial arts, you focus on that area. It's just smart gameplan. Reality game show or title fight.

Herb Dean should have stood that fight up on at least 2 occasions...ridiculous lay and pray by Nelson there.

I thought Kimbo looked pretty good in the standup, was really quick on his feet.

Dean should have stopped the fight in the first. Do you have any idea what lay and pray is? It's taking a guy down, laying on top of them, and hoping it goes favorably for you in a decision.

Roy described in great detail exactly what he was going to do to win the fight. Take Kimbo down, pass to the crucifix, keep hitting a defenseless Kimbo until the ref is forced to stop it. And Roy did it. Perfectly. Twice.

It's not like Roy was just laying there hoping the judges liked him better. He had a gameplan. He followed the gameplan. He won by ref stoppage TKO.

Anyone know where I can watch just the fights online? I don't care about the reality show, I just want to see the (usually terrible) fights.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Kimbo_Slice_vs_Roy_Nelson_TUF_10_Episode_3?vid=10 006741&tid=100

The UFC is just milking this Kimbo thing for more money, it's kind of funny since Dana trashed EliteXC so much for being a freak show yet he's trying to milk it from the freak himself.

Kimbo sucks, plain and simple, Nelson is of course a decent fighter but this fight was actually a little too easy for him.

Having said that, make no mistake that Dana will do something with Kimbo for the sake of money, but he knows as much as the hardcore MMA fans know that Kimbo does truly suck.

the show was good, but again, the fight sucked.

like some others have said, Nelson did what he had to do but he definitely took the safe way out. he was basically punching, if you call it that, on top of the head...doing no damage. the only problem was that Kimbo could do absolutely nothing to counter. Kimbo is only average in stand up but he is HORRIBLE on the ground.

I would have liked it had Nelson decided to forget the take down and go toe to toe with Kimbo, to make an exciting fight. I understand it's about winning, but an exciting fight might have done them both better in the long run.

I must say though, Kimbo is starting to grow on me. I fined myself liking him more and more now and I couldn't stand him prior to this show.

Kimbo vs Cro Cop..

It has to happen.

No ground game there.

P.S.

the ultimate hype machine delivered a boring fight, way to much useless hype. I will say as a person, I kind of like Kimbo and I think as an undercard Tank Abbott ish guy he is great - but please. Roy Nelson could have beaten the tar out of him six ways from sunday really. He just didnt want to hurt himself going forward. Pretty obvious.

Kimbo vs Cro Cop..

It has to happen.

No ground game there.

P.S.

the ultimate hype machine delivered a boring fight, way to much useless hype. I will say as a person, I kind of like Kimbo and I think as an undercard Tank Abbott ish guy he is great - but please. Roy Nelson could have beaten the tar out of him six ways from sunday really. He just didnt want to hurt himself going forward. Pretty obvious.

This. I really don't know how anyone can hate the guy anymore. He's so humble and seems to be a genuine person, I'm a big fan.

I'm not a big fan and don't think he belongs in the cage, but he has grown on me on the show. He's a humble guy and accepted Dana's challenge to be on the show. Dana slammed the guy and he took and is doing what he has to do. Good on him.

He should have kept moving at Roy, as was said, but he looked timid. Honestly, I couldn't tell if he just hated being under that massive belly, or if he just didn't have the heart. he said last week or the week before something along the lines of, "after the show we go our separate ways, and I go back to (all my stuff)." Terrible quote, but it had something to do with his big house and such. Sounded to me like a person who just wasn't as hungry as some of the others.

Was a crummy performance by both fighters.

When you have a small adult growing out of your midsection like Nelson has when he gets you on the ground its hard to get out. BTW **** the crucifix...Its by far the most garbage mount in MMA. Plus Neslon was throwing cream puff strikes to Kimbo's head and the ref stops it was crap.

Fight reminded me of Mir-Lesnar 2.

The knee Kimbo through would of hurt Nelson a lot more if he didn't have that huge damn gut!

This. I really don't know how anyone can hate the guy anymore. He's so humble and seems to be a genuine person, I'm a big fan.

Yeah. His attitude is great. Too bad he didn't have some skills, he could be as big as Bob Sapp in Japan.

Yeah. His attitude is great. Too bad he didn't have some skills, he could be as big as Bob Sapp in Japan.

Kimbo has shown he can adapt very well. His escape attempts in practice were great. His stand up is good and he showed a couple powerful leg kicks. He is a sponge that can soak up a lot of knowledge in a short time.

Fight reminded me of Mir-Lesnar 2.
How so? I see very few similarities. Lesnar f'd up Mir's face pretty badly whereas Kimbo didn't take any noticeable damage.

The knee Kimbo through would of hurt Nelson a lot more if he didn't have that huge damn gut!
Seemed like Rampage was more focussed on coming up with new ways to make fun of Roy's belly than giving Kimbo the adequate pre-fight training he needed. Then he starts arguing with the methods his chosen grappling coach is implementing. Just another glimpse of how bad a coach Rampage is.

Yeah. His attitude is great. Too bad he didn't have some skills, he could be as big as Bob Sapp in Japan.
He doesn't have the charisma to be as big as Sapp. Keep in mind, Sapp didn't become so popular over there because of his MMA or kicboxing game. He made his major breakthrough with the Japanese audience as a pro-wrestler. But, to be sure, there's definitely a spot for Kimbo in inconsequential Japanese fights.

Kimbo has shown he can adapt very well. His escape attempts in practice were great. His stand up is good and he showed a couple powerful leg kicks. He is a sponge that can soak up a lot of knowledge in a short time.
Those few clips they showed in practice were used to help hype the fight; an attempt to make the fans think that the discrepancy on the ground wouldn't be such a big deal. To me, the escapes didn't look all that great, since the training partners in each one didn't appear to be giving it their all.

What's incredible to me is that it's been 13 months since Kimbo's fight with James Thompson where he got stuck in an almost identical position and could very well have lost because of it, and yet he doesn't seem to have worked on improving his ground game at all in the meantime. In the practice session they showed where he was working with Tiki Ghosn, he's trying to escape mount by pushing his arms into the guy's chest, which I learned like two weeks into BJJ class is probably the best way to get yourself armbarred in a hurry. Then in the first round of their fight, after Nelson finally got the takedown he was actually in half guard for like 2 seconds, but instead of trapping his leg Kimbo just laid there and let him pass effortlessly to mount. He had one OK attempt to escape where he walked his legs up against the cage, but aside from that he just seemed to give up as soon as the fight went to the ground. What the heck has he been working on in the last year?

. BTW **** the crucifix...Its by far the most garbage mount in MMA. Plus Neslon was throwing cream puff strikes to Kimbo's head and the ref stops it was crap.


Garbage mount? That doesn't even make sense, if you can pass someone's guard the idea is to be in some kind of mount and if you can get a crucifix that takes away any hand defense the guy on his back has.

It doesn't matter how much damage those punches were doing, that's part of the rules. Nelson was staying busy and throwing punches and Fergie wasn't defending himself AT ALL. No bucking of the hips, no attempts to roll and give up his back NOTHING. Herb Dean didn't want to stop that fight but he had to there wasn't a choice there. Go back and listen to how many times Dean warns him to do something, anything.


This. I really don't know how anyone can hate the guy anymore. He's so humble and seems to be a genuine person, I'm a big fan.

Eh not convinced.

"He got arm-barred and Kimbo really doesn't like to tap. He didn't tap and the guy hurt his arm so he came back in there with a gun," Wren told TapouT radio (http://www.tapoutlive.com/media/7690/092409_TapouT_Radio_Justin_Wren/). "Cops were called and everyone went nuts."

The guy is a no talent thug. If James "I watch a lot of DVDs" Thompson is better than you on the ground you well you've got problems, and from what I saw Fergie doesn't look any better than he did against Thompson and even ended up in the same position.

Seemed like Rampage was more focussed on coming up with new ways to make fun of Roy's belly than giving Kimbo the adequate pre-fight training he needed. Then he starts arguing with the methods his chosen grappling coach is implementing. Just another glimpse of how bad a coach Rampage is.

On this topic, I'm really wishing Kimbo would've ended up on Rashad's team. He seems to be very open to learning new things, a few weeks with Greg Jackson would've really helped him. Dare I say he might've even learned how to defend himself on the ground.....

I don't even know why the hell Rampage is on the show, actually I do, ratings and nothing more. Just because one is a great fighter doesn't make him a great coach, Rampage is the new poster boy for this.

Kimbo has shown he can adapt very well. His escape attempts in practice were great. His stand up is good and he showed a couple powerful leg kicks. He is a sponge that can soak up a lot of knowledge in a short time.

With the amount of money and quality training that's been invested in Kimbo, I just find it shocking he's not a better, more-rounded fighter. I mean does he have a day job or something? He's been in the industry for a couple years now, and should be focused every day on training, there's no reason for him not to have a much stronger game.

EDIT: what colonel_korn said

What's incredible to me is that it's been 13 months since Kimbo's fight with James Thompson where he got stuck in an almost identical position and could very well have lost because of it, and yet he doesn't seem to have worked on improving his ground game at all in the meantime. In the practice session they showed where he was working with Tiki Ghosn, he's trying to escape mount by pushing his arms into the guy's chest, which I learned like two weeks into BJJ class is probably the best way to get yourself armbarred in a hurry. Then in the first round of their fight, after Nelson finally got the takedown he was actually in half guard for like 2 seconds, but instead of trapping his leg Kimbo just laid there and let him pass effortlessly to mount. He had one OK attempt to escape where he walked his legs up against the cage, but aside from that he just seemed to give up as soon as the fight went to the ground. What the heck has he been working on in the last year?

Not only that, but the cage escape is an instinctual one and not indicative of any training. He lied there a dead fish, clueless, as if he'd never been in that position before and had no idea what to do.

Kimbo is done unless White finds some way to rig the show to let him win. He has no ground game whatsoever, at least not good enough to ever be even a mediocre UFC heavyweight. Those little clips of him looking like he was improving his ground game were garbage.

Okay, so maybe he's not done, but he has A LOT of work to do on his ground game still.

How so? I see very few similarities. Lesnar f'd up Mir's face pretty badly whereas Kimbo didn't take any noticeable damage.

Just from a standpoint that it was lay on the opponent and punch em in the face. Obviously, Lesnar's punches were far more brutal, I just don't like the strategy.

Honestly, a pretty shameful performance by Nelson. Yes, he did what he needed to do to get the win, but he barely inflicted any damage and was clearly taking the easiest route to the victory. Aside from a feeble attempt at a kimura, he had no intention to do anything on the ground past that crucifix and rapid bunch combo. Lame. Good gameplan for a reality show, but a cowardly way out. A guy with as good of a ground game as him should have legitimately tried to finish the fight.

Kimbo is still too upright and rigid in his standup. His hands and combos are good enough, but he really needs to work on his footwork.


You're not serious. Say what you will about Nelson's antics, but there was no moment during that fight where it should have been stood up. Good luck getting a ref to standup a guy when he's got the mount.

Is it just me, or is a fighter's job to win fights? I'm going to do whatever gives me the greatest chance at winning if I'm in the cage. I don't think it's fair to criticize Nelson at all for his approach.

Second, the whole Whopper thing is because Burger King is a major sponsor of the TUF show. I think that's what the joke was all about, but it seemed to be received as cockiness after a 'lame' victory, rather than the joke it may have been intended as. Roy's looking to market himself too, so keep that in mind.

Kimbo's standup is good, and he popped Nelson a couple times, no doubt. That knee was a very poor decision though, and served up an easy takedown for Nelson. Kimbo needs to manage risk and reward better when he has openings like that. Throw the uppercut, not the knee.

Is it just me, or is a fighter's job to win fights? I'm going to do whatever gives me the greatest chance at winning if I'm in the cage. I don't think it's fair to criticize Nelson at all for his approach.
Yes, we've had this disagreement before, right after Sherk laid on Hermes Franca in route to victory at 73.

First and foremost, these guys are entertainers. We essentially pay to be entertained. Most of the time, winning intersects with being entertaining, but sometimes it does not, which is why I think it's more than fair for us--the fans--to call out guys who lay and pray their way to victory. I feel the same way about Nelson's win last night. Many feel the same way about the trap era New Jersey Devils as well.

Now, I did tip my hat to him for a smart gameplan, and I did acknowledge that things are in a different dimension being on the reality show, but I still don't think that either should preclude me from extending criticism of a boring, yet winning performance.

In addition, this is to say nothing about the effect that boring performances have on a fighter's upward mobility. If it becomes a trend, the fighter will lose opportunities. Jon Fitch was nearly relegated to an undercard two fights after fighting for the title, and Sean Sherk would have been, if not for an injury, nearly a year and a half after fighting for the title as well.

Yes, we've had this disagreement before, right after Sherk laid on Hermes Franca in route to victory at 73.

First and foremost, these guys are entertainers. We essentially pay to be entertained. Most of the time, winning intersects with being entertaining, but sometimes it does not, which is why I think it's more than fair for us--the fans--to call out guys who lay and pray their way to victory. I feel the same way about Nelson's win last night. Many feel the same way about the trap era New Jersey Devils as well.

Now, I did tip my hat to him for a smart gameplan, and I did acknowledge that things are in a different dimension being on the reality show, but I still don't think that either should preclude me from extending criticism of a boring, yet winning performance.

In addition, this is to say nothing about the effect that boring performances have on a fighter's upward mobility. If it becomes a trend, the fighter will lose opportunities. Jon Fitch was nearly relegated to an undercard two fights after fighting for the title, and Sean Sherk would have been, if not for an injury, nearly a year and a half after fighting for the title as well.

Yeah, I definitely realize it limits opportunities of the fighter. I think that's a shame though. It's up to the organization to create a sport that is exciting, and fashion the rules in such a way that they reward the 'style' of fighting they're after with wins. It's up to the fighter to compete within that body of rules and put themselves in the best position to be successful.

If the UFC wants to do something about boring fights, then take a (long overdue) look at how fights are scored.

The trap era New Jersey Devils were addressed not by the Devils being relegated to the AHL, but by the NHL removing the red line, introducing the trapezoid, etc.

Yeah, I definitely realize it limits opportunities of the fighter. I think that's a shame though. It's up to the organization to create a sport that is exciting, and fashion the rules in such a way that they reward the 'style' of fighting they're after with wins. It's up to the fighter to compete within that body of rules and put themselves in the best position to be successful.

If the UFC wants to do something about boring fights, then take a (long overdue) look at how fights are scored.

The trap era New Jersey Devils were addressed not by the Devils being relegated to the AHL, but by the NHL removing the red line, introducing the trapezoid, etc.
Yes indeed, if they ever get around to doing a sort of unified rules, this situation (ie - fighter in an inescapable position taking slight, yet unanswered damage) should be brought up, discussed, and resolved. Fighter safety should be the first concern. I could see some more inexperienced refs letting the fight continue, because while Kimbo wasn't able to get out of that position, his safety was never threatened. Heck, Herb Dean appeared pretty torn. By his standard of "intelligently defending oneself" that he used to end the fight in round 2, he should have ended the fight in round 1.

Yes indeed, if they ever get around to doing a sort of unified rules, this situation (ie - fighter in an inescapable position taking slight, yet unanswered damage) should be brought up, discussed, and resolved. Fighter safety should be the first concern. I could see some more inexperienced refs letting the fight continue, because while Kimbo wasn't able to get out of that position, his safety was never threatened. Heck, Herb Dean appeared pretty torn. By his standard of "intelligently defending oneself" that he used to end the fight in round 2, he should have ended the fight in round 1.

True, although that would be pretty inconsistant with typical officiating, and when fights are re-set standing. Usually it only happens if a guy is laying in full guard, and occasionally half guard.

I think the difference was that there wasn't much time left in Round 1, and Kimbo was going to survive. In the 2nd round, Herb could very well have let the fight continue, and soon enough the blows would take some degree of a toll on Kimbo. He would not have lasted the entire 2nd round in that position.

I'm not disagreeing with your standpoint at all, simply pointing out that standing up a fight where Nelson has Slice crucifixed would be completely inconsistent with standard officiating. I agree that it should change.

True, although that would be pretty inconsistant with typical officiating, and when fights are re-set standing. Usually it only happens if a guy is laying in full guard, and occasionally half guard.

I think the difference was that there wasn't much time left in Round 1, and Kimbo was going to survive. In the 2nd round, Herb could very well have let the fight continue, and soon enough the blows would take some degree of a toll on Kimbo. He would not have lasted the entire 2nd round in that position.

I'm not disagreeing with your standpoint at all, simply pointing out that standing up a fight where Nelson has Slice crucifixed would be completely inconsistent with standard officiating. I agree that it should change.
Oh, I wasn't advocating that they stand the fighters up from that position. That would be quite unreasonable.

But for the record, refs are not supposed to take into account how close the end of the round is, when deciding whether or not to stop a fight. It could potentially cloud their judgment and endanger fighter safety.

Haha well don't expect any apologies from Big Country, he seems pretty pleased with himself.

http://www.spike.com/blog/roy-nelson/87500?page=1&numPerPage=1

For most of the episode they have Kimbo foreshadowing his loss, which came by way of my belly. No one can mimic me and my movement. It’s hard to mimic a guy who is fat and out of shape and just plain sucks, so I could see how the coaches would find this difficult. They should have asked my coaches. What I mean is simply that my coaches know what they are talking about, we heard them last week. They know what is best.

Now back to me training, which really was TV magic because they have me training my a** off, but really I was sitting over in the corner eating my favorite fast food, and UFC's sponsor, Burger King. They have the best cheeseburger in their double Whopper with cheese, no pickle. Training for Kimbo was hard, because my coaches couldn’t find anyone on the team to mimic him and his beard, so I was back to square one. That is why I came up with my simple plan for three fights in six weeks -win and take no damage. Dana White has been preaching this to the fighters for years. I just like to do what I am told. So I came up with my plan next to the pool the day before to win via crucifix. I was actually shocked that I pulled that out of my butt, since I am just a fat guy. Wait a minute, I Babe Ruth-ed this fight. I simply called my shot and made it happen. Sometimes I surprise myself.

:laugh:

I really can't wait until they match up Big Country with some washed up gatekeeper and he gets mopped up. I would imagine even if he does not win, he'll at least get a few fights in the UFC for being such a polarizing figure at this point. Even if fans want to see you get your ass kicked, it's better than fans not wanting to see you.

Kimbo should just fight K-1. :sarcasm:

Kimbo should just fight K-1. :sarcasm:

I would absolutely love to see him and Melvin Manhoef square off. Melvin would knock that beard clean off of Kimbo...

Haha there actually were a bunch of rumours about a year ago that he was going to go to K-1 and fight Badr Hari. Can you imagine? :laugh:

Haha there actually were a bunch of rumours about a year ago that he was going to go to K-1 and fight Badr Hari. Can you imagine? :laugh:


I know Badr Hari wouldn't have stood a chance..


















:laugh:

Did anybody watch this week?

Rampage continues to show why he's the worst coach in history of TUF and my boy Shaub pulled off an anaconda choke on an equally inexperienced fighter.

I have to say though, that outcome could have been a lot different.

Nice submission in tonight's episode.


Was impressed by Rashad. He seems to care a lot about his guys, and going over to talk to Rampage's guy after the fight displayed a lot of compassion. You can't tell much about people from watching them on TV, but what they've shown of Rashad makes him seem like a good person.

I don't know if it's a product of magic TV editing or not but this season has made me do a 180 on how I view Rampage and Rashad. I used to think Evans was a cocky A-hole but he actually seems like a cool guy. Rampage on the other hand is acting like a little B*tch.

I wonder if this season had something to do with him uhmm "retiring".

I wonder if this season had something to do with him uhmm "retiring".

Also makes me wonder when they did the actual editing on the show. Before or after his retirement. I'm sure Dana could make him look like a jagoff via editing if he wanted to.

Good of Greg Jackson and Rashad to go talk to Rampage's fighter after he lost when Rampage was pouting outside the cage. Rampage is a horrible coach and I'm starting to find he's more annoying then funny.

I'm pretty sure Mitrione is afraid to fight Big Baby which is absurd in my opinion. For one, you have to beat the best to win the show anyhow and secondly Jones seems like one of the worst fighters on the show. All he has is size and power. Wes Shivers version 2.0.

Good of Greg Jackson and Rashad to go talk to Rampage's fighter after he lost when Rampage was pouting outside the cage. Rampage is a horrible coach and I'm starting to find he's more annoying then funny.

I'm pretty sure Mitrione is afraid to fight Big Baby which is absurd in my opinion. For one, you have to beat the best to win the show anyhow and secondly Jones seems like one of the worst fighters on the show. All he has is size and power. Wes Shivers version 2.0.

Jones' Wiki page has him listed at 265lbs and standing 6'6. He looks a hell of a lot bigger than that. I think he has a punchers chance myself. If he hits and connects he will knock them out.

Also makes me wonder when they did the actual editing on the show. Before or after his retirement. I'm sure Dana could make him look like a jagoff via editing if he wanted to.
I always remind myself about the editting factor when I rush to impulsive judgments about guys on this show, but Rampage isn't doing himself any favors in any case.

Knowing the fight won't happen--at least anytime soon--makes me kind of tune out during the moments when the two are jawwing, but to hear Rampage talk about punching Rashad on the spot, winding up in prison, etc, makes him sound like a teenager trying to talk thug tough in front of his loser friends. Rampage comes off extremely childish and sadly it runs counter to a lot of good things I've said about him in the past. I already came into the season liking Rashad better, primarily based on my one encounter meeting him in person, but what they're showing us sure makes it easy for me to justify my preconceived bias.

At this point, Rampage flat out is not making the connection between his lack of adequate coaching and his team's losses. This very well could be the first time we see one team sweep the prelims. Amazing if that happens.

Is anyone else surprised that they haven't shown much of Wes Sims? Coming in, I thought he'd be the major camera hog. Given what we've seen from him in the past, in particular his comments from years ago about wanting to use MMA to springboard into a pro-wrestling career, I figured he'd be this season's goof, doing anything to get on film. It looks like next week he'll get some spots, but wow, at this point he's this season's Danny Abbadi--that guy who 5 weeks in has his first on camera dialogue, and you're like "wait, who the hell is this guy?"

I always love seeing anacondas, and I'm putting my hope behind Schaub as the victor this season since he looks like the best of the bunch (*I really like how quick he is on his feet for a heavy), but lets be honest, Demico Rogers basically served up his neck on a silver platter.

There was a 2nd commercial for the next episode directly after the show ended last night.

It looks like someone either gets seriously KTFO, or someone faints in the cage.

http://www.spike.com/video/sneak-peek-ready-to/3264848

At the end of the video. At first I thought maybe Marcus faints, but then I noticed him in the background.

Jones' Wiki page has him listed at 265lbs and standing 6'6. He looks a hell of a lot bigger than that. I think he has a punchers chance myself. If he hits and connects he will knock them out.
Wes Shivers is 6'7" 265-270lbs and it didn't help him much. Jones still has to connect cleanly before he gets taken down.

I'm pretty sure Mitrione is afraid to fight Big Baby which is absurd in my opinion. For one, you have to beat the best to win the show anyhow and secondly Jones seems like one of the worst fighters on the show. All he has is size and power. Wes Shivers version 2.0.

The thing about Big Baby is that the guy has been strength training since he was in high school and that is pretty much all he has. He's not tough, he doesn't have a lot of heart, but he can end your day with a single punch. Those fighters scare the hell out of some guys, especially guys like Mitrione who are in almost the exact same situation.

Mitrione knows that his chance in this tournament resides around his striking power and he's not going to be able to trade with Big Baby, because he's an absolute freak. Having watched a few seasons of TUF, I think you know when they under play a guy and minimalize him that chances are pretty good he's going to come out strong. I think Big Baby might be that guy.

Have you seen the way he powers out of disadvantaged ground positions in the clips they show? Scary. Plus, he's long and athletic with half a cage reach on anybody he goes against. The only way I see him losing is if he gets tapped or just quits because he doesn't have the heart.

Have you seen the way he powers out of disadvantaged ground positions in the clips they show? Scary. Plus, he's long and athletic with half a cage reach on anybody he goes against. The only way I see him losing is if he gets tapped or just quits because he doesn't have the heart.

His only pro loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXsO0TolydY) is by KO so it's definitely possible to put him out as well.

I read somewhere that he had a staph infection at the beginning of the show which might explain his crappy cardio when they were doing drills as well as the sweating/fainting episode. I don't really know what to make of him so far, he's looked good in the training montages they've showed so far, but then again, so did Kimbo. :laugh: He's probably one of the better fighters on Team Rampage but that's not saying much.

I know "reality" shows can make good people look bad and vice versa...but the way Rashaad is portrayed really makes him look like a very good coach. He's out there training with his guys, taking punches and stuff. Don't see Rampage doing that.... This is my first season watching so from here on out I'll root for Rashaad.....

The thing about Big Baby is that the guy has been strength training since he was in high school and that is pretty much all he has. He's not tough, he doesn't have a lot of heart, but he can end your day with a single punch. Those fighters scare the hell out of some guys, especially guys like Mitrione who are in almost the exact same situation.

Mitrione knows that his chance in this tournament resides around his striking power and he's not going to be able to trade with Big Baby, because he's an absolute freak. Having watched a few seasons of TUF, I think you know when they under play a guy and minimalize him that chances are pretty good he's going to come out strong. I think Big Baby might be that guy.

Have you seen the way he powers out of disadvantaged ground positions in the clips they show? Scary. Plus, he's long and athletic with half a cage reach on anybody he goes against. The only way I see him losing is if he gets tapped or just quits because he doesn't have the heart.
I see what you mean about a brawler being nervous to fight another brawler who has more power as one of his main strengths is trumped but I don't think most brawlers have that mindset. They know they have minimal skill and slugging it out is there only chance to win so most are willing to slug it out with anyone and just cuz one guy has more power doesn't mean he'll win either. He still has to connect cleanly and might have to eat a few in order to do so. It does seem like Mitrione's afraid though so I'd say he's in the wrong sport. Especially considering that Big Baby's standup doesn't look good at all.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but has Rampage trashed that door yet? Has someone from Rashad's team revealed their matchup strategy to Rampage's team?

I could have sworn that both of those tidbits were previewed on the 'in the next episode of TUF' segment at the end of the show, but both items haven't come to be.

Am I just not paiyng close enough attention? That's definitely possible. :P

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but has Rampage trashed that door yet? Has someone from Rashad's team revealed their matchup strategy to Rampage's team?

I could have sworn that both of those tidbits were previewed on the 'in the next episode of TUF' segment at the end of the show, but both items haven't come to be.

Am I just not paiyng close enough attention? That's definitely possible. :P

The whole part about the matchup leak has happened, but it wasn't really that big of a deal. It wasn't like a turncoat situation, it was just Matt Mitrione being afraid of his first fight and wanting to get the matchups changed, IMO.

As for the bit about Rampage destroying that door, I think they've shown that preview for every episode. He must have went through a lot of doors. But no, I haven't seen that in an episode to this point.

Hey hey...de ja vu. Another fight. Another Rampage loss via choke. Another week goes by and Rampage still doesn't make the connection.

Even Ken Shamrock wasn't this bad.

Rashad is winning a lot of points in my book. He really seems to care about his fighters and actually tries to teach them some things. Jackson is just coming off as a selfish A-hole. Really funny in the interview bits but he's just there to collect the checks.

Maybe this losing streak is what propelled him to quit fighting and start an acting career.

I'm a little surprised that Sims was ended so early like that, but he was never a spectacular fighter or anything. Just a bit surprised that a vet like himself was caught so easy...

Rampage makes a fool out of himself yet again, too.

Wes Sims was too busy trying to be funny to properly prepare for his fight and his coach didn't give a damn. There is a reason Wes Sims with his 6"10' frame couldn't win fights before he came here and he sure as hell isn't going to learn under Rampage.

I feel bad for the guys on Rampage's team, they are disadvantaged and being left out to dry.

My favourite line of the evening would have to be Kimbo, "I think Justin is a, um, Greco wrestler or something, whatever the **** that is." Yeah, Greco-Roman wrestling, truly the most obscure of the fighting arts. I can see Kimbo really is taking this MMA thing seriously after all. :sarcasm:

The season's veering into depressing territory, Rampage's team is just so bad and he's coming off as such an ass. His coaches are such a bunch of useless toadies as well. I was glad to see Rashad calling out Tiki as well as Rampage at the end of the episode. "What can we do? We can't get in there and fight for them!" Geez I dunno, how about giving your fighters some advice that's a little more helpful then "GET UP" or "YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING" when they're in the ring? Like Sims is getting choked out and Rampage is shouting "C'MON WES YOU KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF THIS" when he obviously doesn't, so how about you tell him what he actually needs to do? Though in all honesty it wouldn't surprise me if Rampage doesn't know how to escape an arm triangle either.

The season's veering into depressing territory, Rampage's team is just so bad and he's coming off as such an ass. His coaches are such a bunch of useless toadies as well. I was glad to see Rashad calling out Tiki as well as Rampage at the end of the episode. "What can we do? We can't get in there and fight for them!" Geez I dunno, how about giving your fighters some advice that's a little more helpful then "GET UP" or "YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING" when they're in the ring? Like Sims is getting choked out and Rampage is shouting "C'MON WES YOU KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF THIS" when he obviously doesn't, so how about you tell him what he actually needs to do? Though in all honesty it wouldn't surprise me if Rampage doesn't know how to escape an arm triangle either.

Same here. As terrible as Rampage has been, he simply isn't a coach, nor will he ever be. The other dude has no excuse for being that terrible, he's a coach for christ sakes....

Same here. As terrible as Rampage has been, he simply isn't a coach, nor will he ever be. The other dude has no excuse for being that terrible, he's a coach for christ sakes....

I don't think Tiki is really a coach either, I think he's just a buddy of Rampage's who's a kind of journeyman fighter. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tiki-Ghosn-88

Then his other main coach seems to be Hector Ramirez (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hector-Ramirez-10581), who's again basically a middling fighter with no particular outstanding talents that I know of.

In the season with Forrest he at least seemed to try to create an actual camp with specialized coaches like Juanito (boxing) and Zach Light (wrestling), this season it basically looks like him and his two buddies running guys through pointless drills and feeling sorry for themselves. It sucks.

Ramirez is actually starting to coach but pretty much said on Sherdog that he's there to follow Rampage's lead so he's not about to be the one who steps into the cage when Rampage won't after a fight.

One thing I don't understand is when they are in the ring, why don't the coaches have their entire teams shut the f up. It would be much, much more effective to have a single voice to the fighter rather than a whole bunch of people yelling out random cliches and contradicting instructions.

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One thing I don't understand is when they are in the ring, why don't the coaches have their entire teams shut the f up. It would be much, much more effective to have a single voice to the fighter rather than a whole bunch of people yelling out random cliches and contradicting instructions.

Bisping was pretty good about that.



Rampage's 'performance' this season has been embarrassing. I used to really like him, but I lose more respect for him every episode.

Bisping was pretty good about that.

Rampage's 'performance' this season has been embarrassing. I used to really like him, but I lose more respect for him every episode.

Yeah you're right. Bisping actually surprised me a little as a coach.

I'm surprised to see how many Rampage fans didn't expect his lack of focus, questionable supporting cast of coaching, and his emo selfishness. That's kinda how he rolls.

This season's fights are more terrible than I ever remember TUF fights being before. Heavyweights are usually less developed technically, but still. Almost all of them have bordered on unwatchable.

This season's fights are more terrible than I ever remember TUF fights being before. Heavyweights are usually less developed technically, but still. Almost all of them have bordered on unwatchable.

The best part of this weeks show was that it was quick. There are so many useless slugs. I can't wait until people who have won fights start fighting.

This season will give the UFC probably 2-3 decent heavyweights, and they'll be happy with that, since it's easily their weakest division.

The season fills a gap to get some more HW's into the division. I think they'll come out with closer to 4-5 but we really need to see what happens in the next round of fights to properly determine how guys do against semi-capable opposition.

This season may yield a few heavies, but I don't know that any of them really pose much of a threat to guys like Mir or Lesnar. Maybe with a lot more work, I guess. Dunno.

I was just starting to like Rampage a bit and he went and reverted back to being a knucklehead. Craziest part is that as bad as rampage as been so far, he still hasn't ripped the door to shreds in one of the episodes yet, when does that happen?

I think if this season yields 1-2 heavyweight prospects (not named Roy Nelson), Dana White will be content.

As I said previously, season 2 didn't yield any in the long run--though it did do a good job of adding to an already stacked 205 division. This time around, they selected fighters who couldn't make 205 unless they cut off two limbs.

I don't think Tiki is really a coach either, I think he's just a buddy of Rampage's who's a kind of journeyman fighter. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tiki-Ghosn-88

Then his other main coach seems to be Hector Ramirez (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hector-Ramirez-10581), who's again basically a middling fighter with no particular outstanding talents that I know of.

In the season with Forrest he at least seemed to try to create an actual camp with specialized coaches like Juanito (boxing) and Zach Light (wrestling), this season it basically looks like him and his two buddies running guys through pointless drills and feeling sorry for themselves. It sucks.

I had no idea Tiki wasn't a coach, my bad. If that's the case, as it is, I have no idea why they wouldn't demand that Rampage have at least 1 legit coach on the staff. As much as it is a competion for a spot in the UFC, it's also a huge learning step for anybody on the show, to not have actual coaching does them all a disservice.

Does Tiki have the worst record in UFC history? He's 0-4.

I think if this season yields 1-2 heavyweight prospects (not named Roy Nelson), Dana White will be content.

As I said previously, season 2 didn't yield any in the long run--though it did do a good job of adding to an already stacked 205 division. This time around, they selected fighters who couldn't make 205 unless they cut off two limbs.

:laugh: True.

Just don't see any of them being much of a threat to the weight class, not yet anyway.

Does Tiki have the worst record in UFC history? He's 0-4.

Patrick Cote was 0-4 at one point, though he obviously managed to bounce back from it. That said, you don't need to be a good fighter to be a good coach (Shawn Tompkins is 0-4 as a pro but still one of the most respected striking coaches out there, for instance)... the problem is that Tiki doesn't seem to be either. It kinda seems like he might be more interested in using the show to try to get himself back into the UFC... apparently he's been calling out 44-year-old Team Rashad coach Mike van Arsdale and petitioning Dana to bring them both back for a fight. :laugh:

It kinda seems like he might be more interested in using the show to try to get himself back into the UFC... apparently he's been calling out 44-year-old Team Rashad coach Mike van Arsdale and petitioning Dana to bring them both back for a fight. :laugh:

I saw that clip on YOUtube before the show aired and I was wondering who the hell this smack talking Tiki character was....now I know. I think if you youtube it you'll see the intial incident, in the parking lot outside of the training centre.

I doubt he ever gets another sniff from Dana and Co, at least I hope he doesn't.

I think if this season yields 1-2 heavyweight prospects (not named Roy Nelson), Dana White will be content.

As I said previously, season 2 didn't yield any in the long run--though it did do a good job of adding to an already stacked 205 division. This time around, they selected fighters who couldn't make 205 unless they cut off two limbs.

That McSweeney cat doesn't seem all that big. Doesn't seem all that good either...

You would think with how bad these guys are technically that we'd at least see some guys trying to stand up besides Kimbo. What's with all this ground game?

Most of the fights of have been yawners.. except for maybe the 1st fight, but that's because blood was pretty much pouring from a dude's split open head.

That McSweeney cat doesn't seem all that big. Doesn't seem all that good either...

Just to add, I know Schoonover said that he used to fight at 205 but went up to HW because he found he could get better paydays. And honestly I think Nelson could make 205 if he dieted, he doesn't have a big frame he's just fat as hell. So there are def. a few guys who could go down, but not the huge guys like Jones or Schaub.

Speaking of Schoonover, it looks like Rampage has really gotten under his skin:

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Also Tiki challenges Rashad to fight in the parking lot :laugh:

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Just to add, I know Schoonover said that he used to fight at 205 but went up to HW because he found he could get better paydays. And honestly I think Nelson could make 205 if he dieted, he doesn't have a big frame he's just fat as hell. So there are def. a few guys who could go down, but not the huge guys like Jones or Schaub.

Speaking of Schoonover, it looks like Rampage has really gotten under his skin:

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Also Tiki challenges Rashad to fight in the parking lot :laugh:

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yeah Rashad definitely has the upper hand in the smack talkin' contest with being 5-0...really not much Rampage can say.

Rampage has looked real bad in this Ultimate Fighter. he is coming close to Ken Shamrock territory. on the other hand, Rashad looks professional and into being a good coach. obviously, one of them took this show seriously, and the other, not so much.

and for Tiki to challenge Rashad to a fight is hilarious. I am so glad Evens said something about those stupid bleached lines in his beard.

Schoonover and Nelson could definitely both make 205.

But on the coach front, it's abundantly clear that Rampage is either a terrible talent evaluator, coach or some combination of both.

I'm really not liking this season so far. I just want to at least someone get knocked out standing up.

I know it wont happen but i wanna see ******* get his ass dropped by rampage

So... less than 10 minutes left in the show and they go to commercials. Obviously not heading to a decision.

Blah. Was really not looking forward to that outcome. Not the guy I wanted to win... Oh well.

Also, lost a lot of respect for Kimbo that he had earned from me. Being super stoked a guy gets hurt on your team so you MIGHT be able to fight? Kind of ****ed up, dude.

Totally agree about Kimbo. He won me over at first, but throwing your hands up right after your teammate gets cut is a brutal move.

So, from a TV perspective, what happens if Team Rashad sweeps? I mean, I know they can show them getting ready to fight each other and house stuff and whatnot, but if there's zero team vs. team dynamic, it sort of ruins one of the main aspects of the show.

Kimbo's reaction was pretty brutal but let's not kid ourselves, there is absolutely no "team" aspect on Team Rampage. Each guy is out for his own, they don't know each other from a hole in the ground and are battling for a spot in the UFC.

At the end of the day all these guys are there for themselves and themselves only, they are not real teammates. You add in the fact that Rampage is doing NOTHING to create a real team atmosphere and I really have a hard time getting to bent out of shape over what Kimbo said. Also worth noting, Zak wasn't exactly a "team" guy either, sure he was getting teased but he has yet to make any effort to gel with anybody in the house, he's obviously there for himself only, same as Kimbo. No harm, no foul.

Rampage continues to be a ******, that whole ******* thing has gone way too far, it's so juvenile. Quit mocking people and put some ****ing effort in to coaching and getting a win, it's embarassing. At the start of the season Rampage was one of my top 3 fav. fighters, not so sure about that anymore....

My 2 fav shows growing up were The A team and Macgyver. I was stoked to see any new A Team movie, I will not go to it with the ****ing loser Rampage in it. What a little punk he is, his antics are geared towards 14 yr old kids. Thank god for PVR, watched last nights episode in 20 mins, ****ing awful !!!

I don't know if I've ever seen a fighter with worse submission awareness. That was like the slowest triangle ever and Zak is sitting in it the whole time, allowing Darrill to lock it up while he drops weak hammerfists on him. It's like he had no clue that one of the most basic submission holds out there was A Bad Position that he should try to get out of ASAP.

Rampage was funny at first but his antics are getting old. Rampage does not care about his fighters and that is abundantly clear. He spent the whole time right before the fight telling Zak "gotta beat a guy with *******" "You can't lose to a guy with *******"...and **** like that. He never went over final strategy with his fighter like Rashad did with Darrill. I would of loved to see Darrill lay Rampage out when he was in his face.

Rampage was funny at first but his antics are getting old. Rampage does not care about his fighters and that is abundantly clear. He spent the whole time right before the fight telling Zak "gotta beat a guy with *******" "You can't lose to a guy with *******"...and **** like that. He never went over final strategy with his fighter like Rashad did with Darrill. I would of loved to see Darrill lay Rampage out when he was in his face.

That bugged me too.

I didn't think a coach could be worse than Ken Shamrock, but I was wrong. Rampage wasn't nearly this bad the first time he coached.

Not that I'm sticking up for Rampage because the antics are old and unacceptable. But we are primarily only going on what we are being shown. Did he only talk about the ******* before the fight or did they only show the part where he talked about the ******* and editted out the strategy part. The editting is portraying him in a light that although accurate, may be exageratted

I don't know if I've ever seen a fighter with worse submission awareness. That was like the slowest triangle ever and Zak is sitting in it the whole time, allowing Darrill to lock it up while he drops weak hammerfists on him. It's like he had no clue that one of the most basic submission holds out there was A Bad Position that he should try to get out of ASAP.

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell took Darill so long to clamp that down. Zak was laying in it for a good minute while landing punches.

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell took Darill so long to clamp that down. Zak was laying in it for a good minute while landing punches.

Leg strength probably. His legs were like noodles.

If you've got a triangle and you're at the wrong angle, you're using your abductors mostly to generate the squeeze, so either you're really strong or you have to get the trapped arm across and pull down on the guys head to generate enough pressure, which he didn't get until the end.

At the start, he had his leg coming across his own foot instead of his shin, so there was space too.

It was just a sloppy triangle, but Zac just sat inside it until he had a chance to shift around and tighten up.

I don't see why he didn't just stand up out of it. I was watching the entire time like.... are you serious? He has his legs wrapped loose around your neck and could sink the triangle at any point and you're just letting them stay there? He was too interested in what he thought was a good position to get some GNP in that he neglected the obvious. He decided that strategy be damned, he could GNP out of that hold. He was wrong. Schoonover had his fat little legs in the rubber guard and was just pulling his own little feet over his other little foot while this guy was just dropping weak punches on his face.

I have to say that Schoonover is probably the weirdest guy in this entire season. Somehow his alcoholism is way more scary than say.... Roy Nelson's alcoholism.

I think if it were one of the other guys, Kimbo wouldn't have been cheering like he was. Well, he probably would have still, lol, but as was said, there really isn't any semblance of a team on shows full of just one weight class. You win, you'll eventually fight to eliminate the your teammates. Just didn't bother me at all.

The "fight," I don't think it could have been any more obvious that Zak didn't want to be there anymore. He was tired of it all. I don't if he's staying, but it sure looked like he didn't want to be in that octagon. Just cracked me up that he sat in there and let him have his way with him.

This show is pissing me off. I was perfectly fine in not liking Rashad, but this show has really helped me like him quick a bit. They can cast both coaches how they want, but Rashad constantly handles himself like professional. Rampage is Rampage, you're not going to get a whole lot more. He's a fighter, not a coach. He does what works for him, regardless of how his fighters respond or react to it.

I'm guessing Roy Nelson didn't win.........

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So in the next two fights, if Rashad's guys win by both guillotine and RNC, then they will have effectively hit for the "choke" cycle, with the 5 most common chokes in MMA. :naughty:

Round 2 is where they start busting out the gogoplatas and inverted triangles.

I'm guessing Roy Nelson didn't win.........

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:laugh:Or maybe he is using the 'better to b known for something than not to be known at all' tactic to market roy "I look like the atypical fighter" nelson

It sure doesn't sound like Big Country won, :laugh:. Sounded like he was at least impressed with Kimbo's work ethic, attitude, something.

At least Big Country will bring some draw value with him to Strikeforce...

So did Kimbo fight yet? If so, how'd he do?

So did Kimbo fight yet? If so, how'd he do?

Yes. He got pinned on his back like a flipped over turtle. Twice. Both times taking more than a dozen punches (not big punches but punches nonetheless). First time he got saved by the bell of the 1st round. 2nd time the ref stepped in.

WOW that fight was terrible.

Rampage vs. Door: KO Win Rampage

WOW that fight was terrible.

Rampage vs. Door: KO Win Rampage

No kidding. I honestly think I'd survive in the cage against half of these goofs. How can your cardio seriously be that terrible when your fight is that late in the show?

No kidding. I honestly think I'd survive in the cage against half of these goofs. How can your cardio seriously be that terrible when your fight is that late in the show?

Because when you throw 40 punches in about two minutes with 100% force behind them, you're going to get winded. It doesn't matter what your cardio level is when you go out and do that. It's just like sprinting. If two people of different cardio levels do it at the same time, they should be about equally tired at the end if they're both trying as hard as they can and pushing themselves to their limit. In theory of course.

That is where good coaching should come into play. You HAVE to tell your guy to pace himself. Both of these fighters in this fight expected it to last 1:30 and neither accounted for the other having any kind of chin at all. Thus, bomb city. I have to say though, for as much as I HATE the kid, Matt Mitrione has some power behind those hands. If UFC rounds were :30 he could probably compete. I hope in the next round they give him a technical striker with a damn good ground game and he gets embarrassed. I would love to see him fight my boy Shaub.

this was hyped as the best fight of the season, wtf was dana white was seeing

Junk should know better since he has "experience" behind him

give Rampage the decision for KO'ing the door

Horrid fight, fight of the season? Wow that says something about the up coming fights I suppose then eh? That was just plain embarrassing, I've seen drunken bar fights that had more skill than that.

I don't care how they've edited this season but Rampage's quirkyness has really just lost all of its haha to me now. Never cared for Rashad but he's gained a fan in me after this season. Rampage "I'll fight anywhere anytime for free" yeah sure man.

I don't care how they've edited this season but Rampage's quirkyness has really just lost all of its haha to me now. Never cared for Rashad but he's gained a fan in me after this season. Rampage "I'll fight anywhere anytime for free" yeah sure man.

I'm still a fan of Rampage but only because I enjoy his fights. But I'm with you on Rashad, absolutely hated the guy prior to this season, but man he's a genuine good person. His pre-fight/in ring arrogance is obviously just him trying to get in an opponents head.

I hope you aren't trying to say Rampage is afraid of Rashad with the "I'll fight anywhere anytime for free" comment. Rampage is one guy who I dont' think is afraid of anyone, nor should he be. When (yes WHEN) they do finally fight I really dont' know how Rashad is going to get the W, maybe if he employs the leg kick to death tactic Griffin used, but that's about the only way I could see him winning.

Page is basically a bigger version of Rashad, IMO, with a better chin. As much respect as I"ve gained for Rashad, I really don't think a matchup with Rampage favours him in any way.

Oh, almost forgot, that fight sucked a s s. If you are gonna throw all your gastank at an opponent in the first 2 mins you better make sure you get the KO! That was horrid to watch, almost embarassing.

Things with Rashad and Rampage are really getting heated, hopefully that is enough to keep me entertained with the rest of the season cuz I don't have high hopes for the fights (exception: Schaub). It was scary to see how much power Rampage has, that elbow blew through that door like it was a paper bag.

Gayshad :laugh: That made me laugh so much

WOW that fight was terrible.

Rampage vs. Door: KO Win Rampage

Rampage vs. Door had the best striking of the whole season so far.. clean crisp elbows, soild low kicks, and full extension on the punches. Oh and some Pride style stomps *tear* I love stomps... well acculy i guess Rampage would losses because of the ilegal stopms

I'm still a fan of Rampage but only because I enjoy his fights. But I'm with you on Rashad, absolutely hated the guy prior to this season, but man he's a genuine good person. His pre-fight/in ring arrogance is obviously just him trying to get in an opponents head.

I hope you aren't trying to say Rampage is afraid of Rashad with the "I'll fight anywhere anytime for free" comment. Rampage is one guy who I dont' think is afraid of anyone, nor should he be. When (yes WHEN) they do finally fight I really dont' know how Rashad is going to get the W, maybe if he employs the leg kick to death tactic Griffin used, but that's about the only way I could see him winning.

Page is basically a bigger version of Rashad, IMO, with a better chin. As much respect as I"ve gained for Rashad, I really don't think a matchup with Rampage favours him in any way.

Oh, almost forgot, that fight sucked a s s. If you are gonna throw all your gastank at an opponent in the first 2 mins you better make sure you get the KO! That was horrid to watch, almost embarassing.

Things with Rashad and Rampage are really getting heated, hopefully that is enough to keep me entertained with the rest of the season cuz I don't have high hopes for the fights (exception: Schaub). It was scary to see how much power Rampage has, that elbow blew through that door like it was a paper bag.

Nah I don't think Rampage is scared, I'm not trying to imply that. But the whole anywhere anytime is a bunch of bull-ish. As far as i'm concerned he backed out of the fight with Rashad. He shouldn't care how much he makes, or under what banner the fight is held.

I loved watching Rampage fight (especially his two fights against Silva ;) ) but his act is just really starting to wear thin on me that's all. That and it's so frustrating that the beef with these two is very real and you can tell they really want to fight each other, yet we know it's not going to happen (anytime soon that is).

Because when you throw 40 punches in about two minutes with 100% force behind them, you're going to get winded. It doesn't matter what your cardio level is when you go out and do that. It's just like sprinting. If two people of different cardio levels do it at the same time, they should be about equally tired at the end if they're both trying as hard as they can and pushing themselves to their limit. In theory of course.

That is where good coaching should come into play. You HAVE to tell your guy to pace himself. Both of these fighters in this fight expected it to last 1:30 and neither accounted for the other having any kind of chin at all. Thus, bomb city. I have to say though, for as much as I HATE the kid, Matt Mitrione has some power behind those hands. If UFC rounds were :30 he could probably compete. I hope in the next round they give him a technical striker with a damn good ground game and he gets embarrassed. I would love to see him fight my boy Shaub.

I understand that fully. But I can also promise you their cardio is totally substandard. These two looked way more scrubby than some of the heavyweights in even the smallest promotions.

You could hear Mitrione's corner telling him to pace himself. He doesn't have a lot of experience, it was a big match for him, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for going balls out right from the start and gassing out.

But I have no explaination on why Junk was out of breath. He's suppose to be the veteran, the guy that's been there before and he was tired before the first minute. I don't think he even threw 5 punch at that time. I don't want to put the blame on Rampage but their training session don't look as good as team Rashad. I too, have become a fan of Rashad with this season.

PS: Quintin's tantrum was the coolest destruction of a door that I ever seen in my life. I love the way he just rips half of it and slams it on the floor at the end.

Both Junk and Sims looked like absolute ****.

What the hell have these guys been doing? Eating pizza and chicken all day?

You could hear Mitrione's corner telling him to pace himself. He doesn't have a lot of experience, it was a big match for him, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for going balls out right from the start and gassing out.
It's hard to blame Mitrione for wanting to keep throwing. The way he was tagging Junk's dome more or less at will made me think that he was going to end that fight quickly.

The first 2 minutes of the fight was kind of fun. The final 8 minutes ... watching two exhausted goofs stumble around the ring, not so much. The last half of the 2nd round was hilarious.

"I'm-a wander over here for a while."

"Come back. I'm too tired to go all the way over there after you."

"I'm-a come back in a minute after I catch my breath."

"Ok you lemme know when you're coming back here."

"Ok, I'm-a head back over there now."

*paff!* *paff!*

"Your punches can't break eggs, dude."

"Yeah but I'm-a keep sticking my arms out and put my hand on your face anyway, cuz the judges be watching and these are scoring points."

*paff!* *paff!*

"They're so slow... but I'm too tired to move my face out of the way. I'd put you on your back and tap you, but I'm too tired to go for a take down. Mind if I try throwing some slow weak punches myself?"

"Go right ahead."

*paff!* *paff!*

"Those don't hurt at all, bro."

"That's what I'm telling you. Were the judges watching?"

"I dunno. I'm-a stumble back over that way and catch my breath. See you in a minute."


PS: Quintin's tantrum was the coolest destruction of a door that I ever seen in my life. I love the way he just rips half of it and slams it on the floor at the end.
I KNOW! That made me want to go buy a bunch of doors and just practice destroying them until I'm good at it.

That fight reminded me of the good ol' days in King of the Cage when two overweight fatties would get in there--one would be wearing a t-shirt of course--and they'd just throw and tire themselves out in the first minute.

Bah, Rampage smashing the door wasn't all that impressive. Did you see how paper thin that thing was? It's almost like they skrimp and get the cheap stuff knowing that someone's going to go ballistic on it.

I'm kind of ready for this season to be over already. We needs more Wes Sims at this point.

Bah, Rampage smashing the door wasn't all that impressive. Did you see how paper thin that thing was? It's almost like they skrimp and get the cheap stuff knowing that someone's going to go ballistic on it.

I wonder if UFC buys doors from the same store WWF buys tables?

Jeez, the look on Junk's face and I was thinking..."Mitrione is gonna get KTFO in about 30 seconds." and then that BS happened. Couldn't believe what I was witnessing...almost embarrassed to watch them. I'll be pissed if Mitrione wins the whole damn thing.
However...really looking forward to Big Baby fighting. Could get very interesting to say the least.

Gayshad :laugh: That made me laugh so much

yeah after that, i fully expected him to say his dad was stronger than Rashad`s. :shakehead

He`s acting like a frustrated 10 year old. It`s real sad.

Is there a place to watch the last episode of the UF tv show. I looked on Hulu but found nothing. Spike Tv is a pain to navigate through.

Jeez, the look on Junk's face and I was thinking..."Mitrione is gonna get KTFO in about 30 seconds." and then that BS happened. Couldn't believe what I was witnessing...almost embarrassed to watch them. I'll be pissed if Mitrione wins the whole damn thing.
However...really looking forward to Big Baby fighting. Could get very interesting to say the least.
Don't worry, he won't. I think most guys were looking at that fight salivating, and thinking "I don't care who wins, I just hope I'm the one who draws them next round."