John Scott destroys Alexadre Bolduc

What was Bolduc thinking?

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My first thought was
Who and Who?

I don't know, it looked to me like Bolduc beat the crap out of his hand with his face

on a side note, I wish the Canucks had some huge guys that could kick the crap out of someone, nevermind the 'pound for pound' this or that. We just need a huge friggin guy, Minnesota has two.

6'8 255 against 6'3 178. Congratulations John Scott. He and Boogaard don't belong on an NHL roster, probably not even AHL. Based on skill they probably wouldn't cut it in your local beer league.

Good on Bolduc for at least taking the fight, had to expect a loss, but it shows his character.

Scott took a cheap shot earlier in the game, so he was looking for trouble.

About time people take notice. Scott has been one of the most underrated fighters in the NHL for some time.

6'8 255 against 6'3 178. Congratulations John Scott. He and Boogaard don't belong on an NHL roster, probably not even AHL.

Seems from the video Bolduc was a willing participant. He didn't have to fight him.

I'm sure this thread will get moved to the hockey fights forum.

I can't believe the many times I've seen threads about Canucks getting hurt, or destroyed.

At least he was willing, and glad to see him take off his visor. Good beating nevertheless.

Seems from the video Bolduc was a willing participant. He didn't have to fight him.

Bolduc knows thats what his role is in that type of game but I really doubt he was happy to have to fight him. Atleast he can play the game a little bit, Boogie man hasn't scored in 200 hundred games and Scott has one career goal and will likely never score again. These guys make Colton Orr look like Sid or Ovie.

Have to give Bolduc credit for taking him on but jesus - just go down for your own sake! There's no shame in turtling after taking a couple good shots from a guy that big. Heck he could just have stumbled and fell and nobody would have even known. Hope he's not hurt too bad - looks like maybe a concussion.

6'8 255 against 6'3 178. Congratulations John Scott. He and Boogaard don't belong on an NHL roster, probably not even AHL. Based on skill they probably wouldn't cut it in your local beer league.

Well, if Andrew Sykes says that they do not belong on an NHL roster, I guess Jacques Lemaire, Todd Richards (who sings the praises of Boogaard regularly), and Chuck Fletcher are all wrong. What do they know anyways.

P.S. I think I have seen about 50 posts tonight by Nucks fans wishing they had a 6'8" guy that can fight.

Well, if Andrew Sykes says that they do not belong on an NHL roster, I guess Jacques Lemaire, Todd Richards (who sings the praises of Boogaard regularly), and Cliff Fletcher are all wrong. What do they know anyways.

P.S. I think I have seen about 50 posts tonight by Nucks fans wishing they had a 6'8" guy that can fight.

hahah hey if you want Boogaard and Scott on your team then be my guess. You might not make the playoffs but you can be sure that you'll win a lot of third period fights hahaha what a joke. I wouldn't trade Canucks play by play announcer John Shorthouse for Boogaard.

Bolduc knows thats what his role is in that type of game but I really doubt he was happy to have to fight him. Atleast he can play the game a little bit, Boogie man hasn't scored in 200 hundred games and Scott has one career goal and will likely never score again. These guys make Colton Orr look like Sid or Ovie.

Ok but Bolduc doesn't have to fight him. Rypien can do that. Bolduc chose to fight him. Your just bringing his height and weight advantage into this to try and turn him into some kind of bully.

Did anybody see what the Wilds beat writer tweeted?

According to Boogaard, Hordichuk told him, "‘The coach is making us fight you guys.’ I don’t really agree with that."

twitter.com/Russostrib

My first thought was
Who and Who?

Ditto. I was expecting a clip from the AHL or Juniors. Mind blown when it turned out to be from the NHL...

Ok but Bolduc doesn't have to fight him. Rypien can do that. Bolduc chose to fight him. Your just bringing his height and weight advantage into this to try and turn him into some kind of bully.

No i brought the height and weight into it to go against the title of this thread which acts like it is something special that a 6'8 255 pound beast would destroy a 6'3 178 pounder in a fight.

Wouldn't that just deflate a team? I give Bolduc HUGE props for having the balls to go, but that was embarrassing.

Did anybody see what the Wilds beat writer tweeted?

According to Boogaard, Hordichuk told him, "‘The coach is making us fight you guys.’ I don’t really agree with that."

twitter.com/Russostrib

exactly why i said that "I doubt Bolduc really wanted to fight him" he just knew he had to do it.

Gross

Wouldn't that just deflate a team? I give Bolduc HUGE props for having the balls to go, but that was embarrassing.

ya it was kind of hard to watch.

My first thought was
Who and Who?

Haha, this.

My first thought was
Who and Who?

John Scott has less hockey skill than most people on this board, but he's a big maf.

hahah hey if you want Boogaard and Scott on your team then be my guess. You might not make the playoffs but you can be sure that you'll win a lot of third period fights hahaha what a joke

All along I trusted great hockey guys like Jacques Lemaire, Todd Richards, Chuck Fletcher to know who should or should not be on the roster - I feel so betrayed now that I have learned from the great hockey mind, Andrew Sykes, that these guys really do not belong on an NHL roster. I know Jacques Lemaire was a HHOF player, and regarded as one of the best coaches in the last 20 or 30 years, but what does that matter when Andrew Sykes says different.

All along I trusted great hockey guys like Jacques Lemaire, Todd Richards, Chuck Fletcher to know who should or should not be on the roster - I feel so betrayed now that I have learned from the great hockey mind, Andrew Sykes, that these guys really do not belong on an NHL roster. I know Jacques Lemaire was a HHOF player, and regarded as one of the best coaches in the last 20 or 30 years, but what does that matter when Andrew Sykes says different.

hahah yeah good call. No way you can argue against all the solid playoff production that Boogy and Scott have been giving the Wild, they've just been on fire leading the team to the playoffs year in and year out...Please stop.

No i brought the height and weight into it to go against the title of this thread which acts like it is something special that a 6'8 255 pound beast would destroy a 6'3 178 pounder in a fight.

But he did destroy him. The title holds true.

It's like if I made a thread that said "Man Inhales Pie". And in that thread I post a video of a man eating an apple pie really quickly. Wait not apple, pumpkin. Yea.... pumpkin.

Now most people would go into that thread expecting what I would have provided them. A mean eating a pie very quickly. The title of my thread is a little exaggerated like the title "Scott Destroys Bolduc", but it doesn't make it seem like some big special thing that some guy is eating a pie really fast.

Man if I had a nickel every time I had to use a pie analogy.

But he did destroy him. The title holds true.

It's like if I made a thread that said "Man Inhales Pie". And in that thread I post a video of a man eating an apple pie really quickly. Wait not apple, pumpkin. Yea.... pumpkin.

Now most people would go into that thread expecting what I would have provided them. A mean eating a pie very quickly. The title of my thread is a little exaggerated like the title "Scott Destroys Bolduc", but it doesn't make it seem like some big special thing that some guy is eating a pie really fast.

Man if I had a nickel every time I had to use a pie analogy.

Fair enough. It just annoys me to even see it because this guy should not be in the National Hockey League plain and simple.

Bolduc can barely lift his arm, probably messed up his shoulder pretty good.

from sportsnet twitter: http://twitter.com/sportsnetmurph/status/7734583503

it's awesome because Bolduc re-injured his shoulder (he was out for about 2-4 weeks earlier in the season) during the fight. He is a servicable 4th liner, sucks that he had to step up to fight a massive guy like Scott.

Fair enough. It just annoys me to even see it because this guy should not be in the National Hockey League plain and simple.

Guys like these fill a roll. Have for some time.

Fair enough. It just annoys me to even see it because this guy should not be in the National Hockey League plain and simple.

threads like these are so tiresome

[insert goon here] destroys some other guy and therefore that guy has no talent to play in the nhl or ahl

whatever

hahah yeah good call. No way you can argue against all the solid playoff production that Boogy and Scott have been giving the Wild, they've just been on fire leading the team to the playoffs year in and year out...Please stop.

So you are saying the Wild would have made it to the playoffs last year if Boogaard and Scott were not in the lineup? That is all it would have taken?

Bottom line is, guys who have forgotten 100 x's more than you have ever known about hockey all want these guys in the lineup, but you think differently - who is right?

Boogaard or Scott go on waivers and there would be a frenzy with teams trying to pick them up.

So that is my evidence.

Guys like these fill a roll. Have for some time.

No, most fighters can pop in 5-10+ goals a year. Boogaard and Scott have one goal between them in 250+ combined games.

So you are saying the Wild would have made it to the playoffs last year if Boogaard and Scott were not in the lineup? That is all it would have taken?

Bottom line is, guys who have forgotten 100 x's more than you have ever known about hockey all want these guys in the lineup, but you think differently - who is right?

Boogaard or Scott go on waivers and there would be a frenzy with teams trying to pick them up.

So that is my evidence.

How come they haven't been in the playoffs the last few years then? Maybe they should go out and get a couple 3rd or 4th liners who can actually play the game instead of these two clowns taking up roster spots. Also, i would like to hear Fletcher's track record if you please cause I'm 100% positive that the only reason he has a GM job is because of his dad, so don't try and think he knows all.

So you are saying the Wild would have made it to the playoffs last year if Boogaard and Scott were not in the lineup? That is all it would have taken?

Bottom line is, guys who have forgotten 100 x's more than you have ever known about hockey all want these guys in the lineup, but you think differently - who is right?

Boogaard or Scott go on waivers and there would be a frenzy with teams trying to pick them up.

So that is my evidence.

Also, I highly doubt that there is one team currently in the playoffs that would take either of them if they got put on waivers. Please go ahead and call some of the top teams GM's and ask them if they would be chomping at the bit to get their hands on Boogaard and Scott. I bet the Wings are looking at them to shore up some of their injury problems...Pittsburgh better get them if they want any chance at repeating... hahahaha

How come they haven't been in the playoffs the last few years then? Maybe they should go out and get a couple 3rd or 4th liners who can actually play the game instead of these two clowns taking up roster spots.

Ummm ... they won the division two seasons ago...made the playoffs....Boogaard in the lineup. Probably would have beaten Avs had they not lost a top d-man to appendix surgery.

So you are wrong on this.


Also, i would like to hear Fletcher's track record if you please cause I'm 100% positive that the only reason he has a GM job is because of his dad, so don't try and think he knows all.

You just keep getting better and better. I am sure having Cliff Fletcher as your dad helps get into the business, but Chuck Fletcher is entirely qualified to be a GM in this league. If the Wild did not get him he would have gone as GM to another team. You clearly know even less about the game than it originally appeared.

Ummm ... they won the division two seasons ago...made the playoffs....Boogaard in the lineup. Probably would have beaten Avs had they not lost a top d-man to appendix surgery.

So you are wrong on this.



You just keep getting better and better. I am sure having Cliff Fletcher as your dad helps get into the business, but Chuck Fletcher is entirely qualified to be a GM in this league. If the Wild did not get him he would have gone as GM to another team. You clearly know even less about the game than it originally appeared.

hahahahah I know less about the game? Buddy, you are arguing that Boogaard and Scott are good hockey players and saying that they are sought after commodities, give your head a shake!!! If you put together a list of all the heavyweight fighters in the league they would both probably be the worst hockey players of the bunch, Boogaard for sure the worst.

hahahahah I know less about the game? Buddy, you are arguing that Boogaard and Scott are good hockey players and saying that they are sought after commodities, give your head a shake!!! If you put together a list of all the heavyweight fighters in the league they would both probably be the worst hockey players, Boogaard for sure the worst.

YES - you know much less about the game than the guys I mentioned - Lemaire, Richards and Fletcher. YOu claiming otherwise?

I am not arguing that they are "good hockey players" (though there are worse d-men in the league than Scott) - I am arguing that they are excellent enforcers (more so Boogaard than Scott). I am arguing that many great hockey minds think that it is essential to have a quality enforcer in the lineup and scoring the odd goal here or there is irrelavent. I gave you 3 great hockey minds that specifically want Boogaard and Scott (though he sees spot duty) in their lineup. You claim you know better. I think they know better than you. Call me crazy, but I will take what they say over what you say.

EDIT: Damn... it got moved from the main board....nobody will notice what a fool of you I am making!

Bolduc knows thats what his role is in that type of game but I really doubt he was happy to have to fight him. Atleast he can play the game a little bit, Boogie man hasn't scored in 200 hundred games and Scott has one career goal and will likely never score again. These guys make Colton Orr look like Sid or Ovie.

Bolduc isn't exactly in the lineup to be a fighter. He's a solid faceoff/positional guy, not a scrapper. I was pretty surprised to see him try to take on Scott.

hahah yeah good call. No way you can argue against all the solid playoff production that Boogy and Scott have been giving the Wild, they've just been on fire leading the team to the playoffs year in and year out...Please stop.

Boogaard has 10 career playoff games, and played for the Wild in the playoffs two yeasr straight. So it seems odd that you'd bring up the playoffs. Are you really argueing that the Wild can't make the playoffs with Boogaard in the lineup when they have before, more than once? The last sentence if just pointless, the Wild aren't counting on Boogaard to lead them to the playoffs...Please stop.

I would love to see either John Scott or Derek Boogard on the Canucks. Who cares if they dont score goals, thats not what their payed to do. Scott would look good as a 7th d-man that could be plugged into games against teams with legit heavies or Boogard could just replace Hordichuk, sure he might not put up the 2 or 3 goals that Hordichuk will but he will win more fights and provide more of a "presence" on the ice

Bolduc isn't exactly in the lineup to be a fighter. He's a solid faceoff/positional guy, not a scrapper. I was pretty surprised to see him try to take on Scott.

Yeah... I am not sure why he dropped the gloves. There was nothing good that would come out of it.

Here is a quote from Scott:

"I kind of let up a little bit because he was in a couple bad positions," Scott said. "But he asked me to go. He put himself in that situation."

I could not understand why he would be that stupid.

Why in the world would he fight a legit heavyweight monster like Scott!

hahah hey if you want Boogaard and Scott on your team then be my guess. You might not make the playoffs but you can be sure that you'll win a lot of third period fights hahaha what a joke. I wouldn't trade Canucks play by play announcer John Shorthouse for Boogaard.

Minnesota won the game bro. They've been playing pretty well lately.

Did anybody see what the Wilds beat writer tweeted?

According to Boogaard, Hordichuk told him, "‘The coach is making us fight you guys.’ I don’t really agree with that."

twitter.com/Russostrib

very sad... boogard's reaction when scott joined him in the box tells a lot as well

No, most fighters can pop in 5-10+ goals a year. Boogaard and Scott have one goal between them in 250+ combined games.

:facepalm:

you do realize that Scott isn't a forward but a defenseman and he is suppose to be, at best, our seventh defenseman used to hit people?

Raitis Ivanans has no goals this year
Ryan O'Byrne, Cam Janssen, Ryan Parent, Brad May, Nicklas Grossman...

Scott at least scored a goal this year. None of those guys have...

:facepalm:

you do realize that Scott isn't a forward but a defenseman and he is suppose to be, at best, our seventh defenseman used to hit people?

Raitis Ivanans has no goals this year
Ryan O'Byrne, Cam Janssen, Ryan Parent, Brad May, Nicklas Grossman...

Scott at least scored a goal this year. None of those guys have...

Did I seriously just see the name Ryan Parent thrown into the mix as a comparison to John Scott? I must be seeing things.

Boogaard has 10 career playoff games, and played for the Wild in the playoffs two yeasr straight. So it seems odd that you'd bring up the playoffs. Are you really argueing that the Wild can't make the playoffs with Boogaard in the lineup when they have before, more than once? The last sentence if just pointless, the Wild aren't counting on Boogaard to lead them to the playoffs...Please stop.

No, Boogaard has no say in whether they make the playoffs or don't make them which in itself is sad because that means that he basically means nothing at all to the team. Most teams have figured out that you don't need a guy like him, and instead they fill their 4th line with guys that are tough and can grind, but can also play the game a little bit. The Chicago Blackhawks are a perfect example.

God, that was horrible to watch. Full marks for Bolduc stepping in against a giant/legitimate enforcer, and for taking a punch like a champ. He ate several solid fists and still stood up. But it looked like he was doing two things as he left; 1) Wobbling, potential concussion and 2) Favouring his shoulder. Bolduc has had several major shoulder injuries already in his career despite his young age, so this could be bad.

Scott did what he was supposed to in a fight which was win, nothing to feel ashamed of there. Bolduc was a consenting and willing participant. But man, Bolduc should have gone down. It was clear he was outmatched.

6'8 255 against 6'3 178. Congratulations John Scott. He and Boogaard don't belong on an NHL roster, probably not even AHL. Based on skill they probably wouldn't cut it in your local beer league.

He could cut it in beginner league, I think.

About time people take notice. Scott has been one of the most underrated fighters in the NHL for some time.

He better be good, he's almost as large as the WWF's Big Show and has approximately as much hockey skill. Most fighters are at least good grinders too or score a few goals. Scott and Boogard can do neither, at all.

Ok but Bolduc doesn't have to fight him. Rypien can do that. Bolduc chose to fight him. Your just bringing his height and weight advantage into this to try and turn him into some kind of bully.

See below.

Did anybody see what the Wilds beat writer tweeted?

According to Boogaard, Hordichuk told him, "‘The coach is making us fight you guys.’ I don’t really agree with that."

twitter.com/Russostrib

I'll beat AV's @ss myself if he told Bolduc to fight Scott, that'd be a crime in my book.

YES - you know much less about the game than the guys I mentioned - Lemaire, Richards and Fletcher. YOu claiming otherwise?

I am not arguing that they are "good hockey players" (though there are worse d-men in the league than Scott) - I am arguing that they are excellent enforcers (more so Boogaard than Scott). I am arguing that many great hockey minds think that it is essential to have a quality enforcer in the lineup and scoring the odd goal here or there is irrelavent. I gave you 3 great hockey minds that specifically want Boogaard and Scott (though he sees spot duty) in their lineup. You claim you know better. I think they know better than you. Call me crazy, but I will take what they say over what you say.

EDIT: Damn... it got moved from the main board....nobody will notice what a fool of you I am making!

I'm pretty sure you claimed that every team would be all over them if they were placed on waivers. I'm here to tell you that they wouldn't be, trust me.

I would love to see either John Scott or Derek Boogard on the Canucks. Who cares if they dont score goals, thats not what their payed to do. Scott would look good as a 7th d-man that could be plugged into games against teams with legit heavies or Boogard could just replace Hordichuk, sure he might not put up the 2 or 3 goals that Hordichuk will but he will win more fights and provide more of a "presence" on the ice

What presence does Boogaard have exactly? The only presence I can see him having him is that the other teams heavyweight might be afraid to fight him....the only thing he does is either fight the other teams worst player or he doesn't...so how is that helping his team win the game? Maybe if he could actually skate fast enough to hit guys and be a good forechecker he would have a "presence" but he can't and he doesn't. he is nothing but a liability on the ice.

If you are gunna fight someone that is 6'8" make sure the guy couldn't hurt a kitten. Isn't that what Rypien does? Sure makes him look good and most fans are too stupid to realize that.

Looking back, I think Bolduc actually took that one. He gave Scott's knuckles a real beating :sarcasm:

WHAT THE **** WAS BOLDUC THINKING LOL

I'm laughing so hard right now.

hahahahah I know less about the game? Buddy, you are arguing that Boogaard and Scott are good hockey players and saying that they are sought after commodities, give your head a shake!!! If you put together a list of all the heavyweight fighters in the league they would both probably be the worst hockey players of the bunch, Boogaard for sure the worst.

You must not have heard of Andrew Peters then.

You can't judge on how productive someone is based upon how many goals they scored. John Scott is a defenseman who doesn't play on the PP. He's obviously not going to score a lot of goals (and he's only played like 50 or so games in his career so far).

Derek Boogaard's job isn't to score goals. It's to protect his teammates, hit, and create energy. Boogaard is always looking to throw hits every time he's out there.

I'm not quite sure why you have a grudge with Scott and Boogaard. Boogaard must be doing something right because he's been one of the longest tenured Wild players (hasn't been sent down to Houston yet since playing in the NHL) and probably has sold around the same number of jerseys as Marian Gaborik.

6'8 255 against 6'3 178. Congratulations John Scott. He and Boogaard don't belong on an NHL roster, probably not even AHL. Based on skill they probably wouldn't cut it in your local beer league.

Did you even watch the video? It's not like John Scott made Bolduc fight him. It was a perfectly mutual fight and Scott happened to win it.

Bolduc obviously does not do his homework in the fighting department. Either that or he's an idiot.... Flip a coin.

So much character by Bolduc. Taking on a guy much larger, taking off his visored helmet, and taking a beating when it sounds like he was being thrown to the wolves by AV.

Bolduc obviously does not do his homework in the fighting department. Either that or he's an idiot.... Flip a coin.

Or he's trying to keep an NHL job and willing to do anything keep his dream alive. But yeah, he's a stupid idiot seems more likely. :shakehead

fyi bolduc is 6'1

I hope someone on the Canucks bought Bolduc a beer after the game.

The guys has massive balls.

I'm pretty sure you claimed that every team would be all over them if they were placed on waivers. I'm here to tell you that they wouldn't be, trust me.

I will respond to this, but lets just be clear on a few previous points you have made:

1) You know better who should or should not be on an NHL roster than Lemaire, Fletcher, and Richards.

2) That the Wild have not made the playoffs in a few years - despite that they won the division two seasons ago, and were one point away from winning the division previous to that season. Hell, I think they were only a point away from the playoffs last year (with Gabby out almost all season). So you kind of look bad on this one as well.

3) One other good one that I forgot about was that you were pretty sure Chuck Fletcher is only a GM because of his dad, so the fact that he likes Boogaard in the lineup does not really mean anything.

Any one of the three above, automatically exclude you from having any credibility on this topic... but this is fun, so I will continue.

Now for this point - I never claimed "every team" would be all over them. I claimed that there would be a frenzy, a race essentially, to claim them off waivers. Teams that already have a legit heavyweight would have no interest - teams that do not have a legit heavyweight, in general would be interested.

My guess is that Bolduc's shoulder went early and he couldn't hang on. His shoulder is in rough shape and thus Scott was able to hold him at arms length and clobber him.

Both Scott and Boogaard are UFAs next season so we'll see if there is some "big frenzy" to sign them in the of season.

I don't have a problem with AV tapping Hordichuk or Bolduc on the shoulder and saying "go fight someone." It's barbaric, but whatever...I like my hockey with fights. However, if AV told Bolduc to go fight John Scott specifically then I think that's just wrong. Bolduc never stood a chance and now his shoulder and face are just messed up.

As an aside, props to both Scott and Boogard. Neither of them had to fight at that point in the game and both backed off slightly once they had their opponents in a vulnerable position.

No, Boogaard has no say in whether they make the playoffs or don't make them which in itself is sad because that means that he basically means nothing at all to the team.

If you really think Boogaard means nothing to the team, I don't even know why I'm bothering.

Bolduc was completely embarrassed. What was he thinking?

The Canucks have so many other guys who could have actually given Scott a challenge.

If you really think Boogaard means nothing to the team, I don't even know why I'm bothering.

Come one - he is Andrew Sykes. Are you telling me that guys like Jacques Lemaire, Todd Richards, and Chuck Fletcher, who all condone a lineup with Boogaard or Scott in it, know more about the game than Andrew Sykes? Next thing you will be saying is that Andrew Sykes will not be the next GM of the Maple Leafs (or any team he decides to be the GM for as I am sure all teams will fight for him as the GM).

Give your head a shake!

My guess is that Bolduc's shoulder went early and he couldn't hang on. His shoulder is in rough shape and thus Scott was able to hold him at arms length and clobber him.

Both Scott and Boogaard are UFAs next season so we'll see if there is some "big frenzy" to sign them in the of season.

You sure Scott is a UFA? Seems too young - maybe RFA?

At any rate, there is a bit of a difference between a pickup off waivers and signing an UFA - especially in the cap era. Picking a guy like Boogaard up on waivers, requires no long term commitment, and you are paying him at his current salary, so there is no bidding war. This would cause a frenzy with teams that feel they need a bigtime heavyweight in their lineup for the rest of the season and a playoff run (I think Canucks are a good example of that).

There would not be such a frenzy to sign Boogaard as a UFA because that will become a bidding war and it will become a question of whether money is better spent on a proven veteran heavyweight, or if you are better off signing a rookie player that could possibly fill the role of a heavyweight at 1/4 of the salary.

Let's try to keep these discussions impersonal, guys.

Also, John Scott is huge. Jesus.

if the allegations that the canuck players were told to fight...i don't understand why Rypien didn't get the tap on the shoulder over Boulduc. It doesn't make any sense. With Hordi and Boogaard, at least Hordi is experienced and--you never know--a guy who knows what he's doing out there can win a giant upset with a perfectly timed dodge and punch. Rypien would have pulled Scott in close and even if he didn't get his arm pumping he would have at least stayed out of the reach of scott.

I think Scott's arms were twice as long as Bolduc's. Bolduc got some good elbow shots in there though. Might've even hit the armpit.

Most teams have figured out that you don't need a guy like him, and instead they fill their 4th line with guys that are tough and can grind, but can also play the game a little bit. The Chicago Blackhawks are a perfect example.

As a Blackhawk fan I would love to see Boogaard on the Hawks 4th line. Eager is not a guy you want fighting big guys, and behind him there is nothing. Bring in Boogaard and tell him to fight anyone that touches Toews, Kane and Keith.

Screw the instigator and any misconducts. :naughty:

I'd take either one of them over the human punching bag Barch. They are not there to guarantee playoff success but to provide relative safety for the players during the regular season.

I was watching the Wild feed on the NHL network last night, and they had a reporter between the two benches who said that Scott skated by the Canucks bench and said something to the effect of "If any of you want to stop talking and start dancing, I'm right here". So even if Bolduc was the one who officially challenged Scott, it may have more to do with his bench being challenged and standing up for his teammates rather than of his own volition. And for what its worth, I'd take Boogaard or Scott on the Bruins any day of the week.

Did I seriously just see the name Ryan Parent thrown into the mix as a comparison to John Scott? I must be seeing things.

Guess what? Scott has one more goal than Parent this year. If that's what your going on.

Scott is more valuable as a tough, stay at defenseman that protects players.

Bolduc was completely embarrassed. What was he thinking?

The Canucks have so many other guys who could have actually given Scott a challenge.

Like?

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Vigneault himself might be in Scott's weight class...

In all seriousness, the best I could see done would be Shane O'Brien but he's been playing too well without taking penalties to risk him getting back into his tough guy ways (or beaten up for that matter).

Vigneault himself might be in Scott's weight class...

In all seriousness, the best I could see done would be Shane O'Brien but he's been playing too well without taking penalties to risk him getting back into his tough guy ways (or beaten up for that matter).

The only reason people like Boogard and Scott can be effective is to provide what they have. Which is size. The Canucks don't have anyone in their size range to challenge them, which is why they don't fight them often.

In the past, Boogard has been scatched because he is such a liability defensively, where Scott can be more effective because he doesn't need such mobility. Boogard is terrible if he isn't fighting or hitting (if he can catch someone). To say they provide any help to win a game is false, and you can't make comparisons to others because they just aren't there. Boogard is a goon and that's all he can do.

Would a team sign one of these 2? Yup, because they are rare and just their size alone makes them somewhat valuable. These players are not full-time great NHLer's, just there for their size.

I wouldn't mind Scott on the Hawks next year as a 7th d-man. :)

The only reason people like Boogard and Scott can be effective is to provide what they have. Which is size. The Canucks don't have anyone in their size range to challenge them, which is why they don't fight them often.

In the past, Boogard has been scatched because he is such a liability defensively, where Scott can be more effective because he doesn't need such mobility. Boogard is terrible if he isn't fighting or hitting (if he can catch someone). To say they provide any help to win a game is false, and you can't make comparisons to others because they just aren't there. Boogard is a goon and that's all he can do.

Would a team sign one of these 2? Yup, because they are rare and just their size alone makes them somewhat valuable. These players are not full-time great NHLer's, just there for their size.

I am not understanding how the two highlited sentences can be in your argument and both be true?

I think it is fair to say tha Boogaard or an enforcer like him can't help win a game directly by producing offence, or preventing the other team's offence. Indirectly however, in some games, his presence allows more skilled players a better opportunity and more room to perform what they do best. That is why teams have, and will always have unskilled, tough guys.

No, most fighters can pop in 5-10+ goals a year. Boogaard and Scott have one goal between them in 250+ combined games.


There is no denying that Boogie is not a skilled NHLer. 200 games without a goal is no joke, but to say that most fighters pop in 5 to 10+ is a stretch, at least if you are talking about guys comparable to Boogie, ones that are willing to neutralize him by fighting him--other heavies.

There is probably about a dozen or so guys league-wide that will fight Boogie consistently: MacIntyre, Orr, Mcgrattan, Brashear, Belak, Parros, Laraque, Boulton, Carkner, Shelley, Godard, Koci, Cote, Stortini, Ivanans, maybe a couple of others.

Fighters, not players that will fight, but legit heavies whose primary role is to keep other heavies in check, ones that would square off with Boogie.
Which of them pop in 10+ goals a year?

None of them will. You know why? Because this guy has no clue what he's talking about and is really starting to make HFboards look like a joke as he is a part of the staff.

None of them will. You know why? Because this guy has no clue what he's talking about and is really starting to make HFboards look like a joke as he is a part of the staff.

I concur.

out of that list the only one I can see hitting 10 goals MAYBE is Stortini.

Back in the bad old days - the 90's - terrible officials like kevin collins and even paul stewart used to make themselves the show and go OUT OF THEIR WAY - to interfer with and stop 2 willing combatants, even before a fight really started. To someone who likes a fight,like me, it was frustrating to watch.

Now though, the pendulem has gone to far the other way, this was a mismatch and that was clear early - they shold have jumped in as soon as that canuck on the bench started to try to interfer - if it was clear to him - it shold have been clear to official.

Someone is gonna get killed in a fight and then they are gonna take it out - nhl without fighitng is not nearly as good and would kill the gate. Small steps should be taken to make fighitng safer - occassionally breaking up a fight is one of those small steps.

Also, no one wants to get tossed but 3rd man in - not to join a fight but to stop a teamate from getting killed needs to happen more. If NHL suspended a guy for ismply jumping in - not escalating it but just grabbing hold and ending it - the NHLPA should defend that plsyer to a hilt. You can't let a slaughter like that go on.

Also, Bulduc isn't stupid - he is brave - he is literally risking his health to try and make a name for himself and support his family, brave not stupid.

Now the taking off the helmut...that was stupid.

NO CLUE what Bolduc was thinking.

I mean, showing heart is one thing... but that was a disaster waiting to happen.

Not sure what Bolduc was trying to prove, but it may have ended his season by the looks of it.

Sather better give John Scott a nice offer.