Team of non-NHLers that could compete?

Which would be a lineup made of non-nhl players that could compete in the league?


Zherdev - Yashin - Martensson

Kallio - Hlinka - Radulov

Sushinsky - Davidsson - Morozov

Greilinger - Josefson - Paajarvi Svensson


Petrasek - Holmqvist

Nikulin - Dallman

Zubov - Larsson


Markstrom

Holmqvist

Mainly based on stats I could gather from Eliteprospects, I'm sure a lot of you can give it a better shot

I'd probably have that one guy Jagr on my team... oh and that Forsberg too.

Petri Vehanen as a starting goalie.

Compete with the NHL teams?

Top 6 KHL teams easily:
1. Ak Bars
2. Avangard
3. Salavat Yulayev
4. SKA
5. Dynamo Moscow
6. Metallurg Mg

These 5 teams can somewhat compete with bottom NHL teams:
Lokomotiv, Atlant, CSKA, Spartak and the surprising team of this season HC MVD.

Zaripov - Zinoviev - Morozov
Forsberg - Mårtensson - Weinhandl
Hlavac - Hlinka - Sushinsky
Thoresen - Yashin - Radulov

Nikulin - Johansson
Nummelin - Zubov
Kalinin - Dallman

Eremenko
Markström
Vehanen

Compete with the NHL teams?

Top 6 KHL teams easily:
1. Ak Bars
2. Avangard
3. Salavat Yulayev
4. SKA
5. Dynamo Moscow
6. Metallurg Mg

These 5 teams can somewhat compete with bottom NHL teams:
Lokomotiv, Atlant, CSKA, Spartak and the surprising team of this season HC MVD.

+1

Post the line ups of teams so people can see. :naughty:

Compete with the NHL teams?

Top 6 KHL teams easily:
1. Ak Bars
2. Avangard
3. Salavat Yulayev
4. SKA
5. Dynamo Moscow
6. Metallurg Mg

These 5 teams can somewhat compete with bottom NHL teams:
Lokomotiv, Atlant, CSKA, Spartak and the surprising team of this season HC MVD.

The only thing those teams could compete for in the NHL is the first draft pick.

The only thing those teams could compete for in the NHL is the first draft pick.

Yeah, it's so hard to compete in the NHL. Look at this year, Chicago with the super puper canadian pairing of Keith and Seabrook is almost unbeatable. Oh, I forgot they were schooled by Zurich Lions from Switzerland.

If 2005-06 Washington could win 29 games with this (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000492006.html) roster, it's fair to say numerous KHL teams would have no problem at NHL level.

Yeah, it's so hard to compete in the NHL. Look at this year, Chicago with the super puper canadian pairing of Keith and Seabrook is almost unbeatable. Oh, I forgot they were schooled by Zurich Lions from Switzerland.

One day when the KHL is drawing from the same percentage of the worlds players they will certainly be able to compete. Thinking that they are on the same plane now while drawing from a fraction of the players the NHL does is nothing more than Russian supremacist fantasy. Please spare us from your racist agenda.

Jagr-Forsberg-Radulov
Zherdev-Yashin-Weinhandl
Zaripov-Zinoviev-Morozov
Mozyakin-Mårtensson-MSP

One day when the KHL is drawing from the same percentage of the worlds players they will certainly be able to compete. Thinking that they are on the same plane now while drawing from a fraction of the players the NHL does is nothing more than Russian supremacist fantasy. Please spare us from your racist agenda.

Racist agenda? Are you in your mind? Please learn that KHL draws from pretty much the same pool of players. The only difference between the two leagues now is the geography and the financial possibilities.

Khl teams would get destroyed as sad as it is, they don't posses enough grit due to the playing style differences and the top talent isn't deep enough.

Khl teams would get destroyed as sad as it is, they don't posses enough grit due to the playing style differences and the top talent isn't deep enough.

Grit, seriously? I thought the game is more about skating, skills and employed system. I know we just speculate here because NHL teams basically refuse to square off against European clubs for some reason but come on. In two meaningful games that the NHL clubs played against Euro clubs in the last two decades Rangers beat Metallurg 4:3 and Chicago lost to Zurich Lions. Is that your definition of get destroyed?

In general, North Americans who think KHL teams would get destroyed haven't seen a single KHL game in their life, making their opinions uninformed and useless.

Khl teams would get destroyed as sad as it is, they don't posses enough grit due to the playing style differences and the top talent isn't deep enough.

In a large ice rink, the best NHL team wouldn't smell the puck against the worst KHL team.

In a small rink, things would be a little different, but the KHL team would win easily

Jiri Hudler?

Racist agenda? Are you in your mind? Please learn that KHL draws from pretty much the same pool of players. The only difference between the two leagues now is the geography and the financial possibilities.

What a load. You obviously have not interest in the truth, so there is not really any point in having a debate with you.

What a load. You obviously have not interest in the truth, so there is not really any point in having a debate with you.
Look who's talking :sarcasm:
Team that could compete with which nhl team? Because a bottom half is barely has enough skill at all. For Ak Bars, Salavat Yulayev or SKA it'll be an easy ride to play off.

In a large ice rink, the best NHL team wouldn't smell the puck against the worst KHL team.

In a small rink, things would be a little different, but the KHL team would win easily

I definitely think some Canadians are underrating the league but arguing like this won't help you. It's simply not true.

The only way to for people to know for sure, is if they actually played games against each other. And this is not going to happen - except may be in training camp.

Look who's talking :sarcasm:
Team that could compete with which nhl team? Because a bottom half is barely has enough skill at all. For Ak Bars, Salavat Yulayev or SKA it'll be an easy ride to play off.

Take a look at the IIHF survey of players. If you consider that 99% of the North Americans good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL, plus a high percentage of European players good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL. Even if you said only 50% of Russians good enough to be in the NHL are, for the other Euro countries it is more like 90%.

Anyway if you do the math you will see that approximately +90% of the worlds players good enough to play in the NHL are in the NHL. The KHL probably has in the range of 5-8% of the world's players that could be in the NHL. The KHL is getting better, but as it stands now it is nowhere close the NHL in talent level.

Take a look at the IIHF survey of players. If you consider that 99% of the North Americans good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL, plus a high percentage of European players good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL. Even if you said only 50% of Russians good enough to be in the NHL are, for the other Euro countries it is more like 90%.

Anyway if you do the math you will see that approximately +90% of the worlds players good enough to play in the NHL are in the NHL. The KHL probably has in the range of 5-8% of the world's players that could be in the NHL. The KHL is getting better, but as it stands now it is nowhere close the NHL in talent level.

That's one of the worst math suggestions that I have ever seen. Russia can easily put together 5 teams to compete in the NHL. Right now there are only 25 or so Russians, basically one team. How is that 50%?

Take a look at the IIHF survey of players. If you consider that 99% of the North Americans good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL, plus a high percentage of European players good enough to be in the NHL are in the NHL. Even if you said only 50% of Russians good enough to be in the NHL are, for the other Euro countries it is more like 90%.

Anyway if you do the math you will see that approximately +90% of the worlds players good enough to play in the NHL are in the NHL. The KHL probably has in the range of 5-8% of the world's players that could be in the NHL. The KHL is getting better, but as it stands now it is nowhere close the NHL in talent level.

Wow, good math. For every 9 good players russia has 1 superstar (45 / 5). :handclap: I've registered at hfboards not so long ago, but I've seen plenty of your threads before that. So I'm obviously not interested in feeding the troll. 99%? 50%? 90%? There is a voice in your head telling you numbers or what?

In a large ice rink, the best NHL team wouldn't smell the puck against the worst KHL team.

In a small rink, things would be a little different, but the KHL team would win easily

Yeah, yeah, when the best team in KHL is full of NHL rejects. But in Holy Russia this guys(Sushinsky, Ekman, Cajanek, Kvyatkovski, Giroux, Eshe, Yashin) suddenly started to play like Gods. Because Russia is holy land and they reached Nirvana finally.

Btw, Sergey Makarov, aren't you the guy that told the World, that Sergey Mozyakin is TOP 5 player in the World? And Kirill Koltsov is TOP 10 defenseman? And Maxim Rybin is at the same level with Ryan Getzlaf?

What's next? Maxim Velikov is on the same level as Nik Lidstrom in his prime?

Look who's talking :sarcasm:
Team that could compete with which nhl team? Because a bottom half is barely has enough skill at all. For Ak Bars, Salavat Yulayev or SKA it'll be an easy ride to play off.

Do you get some extra pleasure lying to yourself?

It's quite funny how here, on the Western board russian fans are much bigger homers than on russian boards. Seriously, all you guys do is write about Great Russia and how the World doesn't understand how really Great, Russia is.

It's quite funny how here, on the Western board russian fans are much bigger homers than on russian boards. Seriously, all you guys do is write about Great Russia and how the World doesn't understand how really Great, Russia is.

:laugh: Speaking of russian boards I wonder who would you be... Nyy_fan? I've seen plenty of nhl homers at sports.ru. Not so much at allhockey or championat. But all of them were clowns nevertheless. I'm not talking about reasonable guys who say that khl should learn from nhl cuz they're better and it's too early to compare the leagues, but about "khl govno" crowd that moaning at nhl. Pathetic. And what are you trying to say? That Salavat will lose 7 game series to Islanders or Toronto? Check your brain then.

:laugh: Speaking of russian boards I wonder who would you be... Nyy_fan? I've seen plenty of nhl homers at sports.ru. Not so much at allhockey or championat. But all of them were clowns nevertheless. I'm not talking about reasonable guys who say that khl should learn from nhl cuz they're better and it's too early to compare the leagues, but about "khl govno" crowd that moaning at nhl. Pathetic. And what are you trying to say? That Salavat will lose 7 game series to Islanders or Toronto? Check your brain then.

I like how you placed yourself in a position of a Judge. Oh, this is good, this is decent, this is bad this is pathetic, and I'm exellent! You're as much as a homer as any Nyy_fan you can find. It's just you're on the other side. But no, you're not reasonable, not even trying to be. All you do is like jumping on posters that wright something "not appropriate about Great Russia" and write smth like "Shut Up! Russia is great! NHL sucks balls! KHL ruules! Russia! Russia! Russia!"

Snap out of it really, that's not the way you have a conversation.

Salavat can quite easily loose a 7 game series vs Toronto or Islanders when they have a healthy roster. Think about that, how many Salavat players would make rosters ot this NHL teams?

All you do is like jumping on posters that wright something "not appropriate about Great Russia" and write smth like "Shut Up! Russia is great! NHL sucks balls! KHL ruules! Russia! Russia! Russia!"

I'd like to see some quotes. :rolleyes:

Think about that, how many Salavat players would make rosters ot this NHL teams?
I dunno... 17-18? Though if their coach will be Ken Hitchcock he's not gonna like them with all his "throw the puck forward" stuff. :laugh:

I have my own opinion, if you don't like it, it's your problem. I don't care about nhl and I've never hid it, but neither I boasted about it. And that doesn't stop me from admitting that nhl as a whole is better. But so is top KHL team better compared to the franchises I've talked about. Salavat? Half of their roster was at the two last WCs. It's nhl problem if such players won't make their rosters, not Salavat's. "Salavat can quite easily loose a 7 game series vs Toronto or Islanders" cool story bro.

I am more than sure Toronto would have been struggling in the KHL somewhere in the middle of the standings. I don't see them beating Salavat in 7, no way. Not only Salavat has better players but their coaching is also superior. Salavat is not a good team to compare with a terrible NHL team. I would say CSKA/Spartak/Atlant and Toronto/Islanders/Panthers is probably a good match-up, I would be quite interested to see a 7 game series. I truly wish there was a new Winter Series with two or three KHL clubs touring the NHL, like in the old days.

Zaripov - Zinoviev - Morozov
Radulov - Mårtensson - Weinhandl
Saprykin - Kapanen - Sushinsky
Thoresen - Davidsson - Nilson



Nikulin - Johansson
Nummelin - Proshkin
Kalinin - Petrasek
Dallman - Zubov

Interesting... and who would they be competing against? It seems as if everybody jumped on the assumption that we were packing a team of players who are not in the NHL to compete there. Was that the intention? I initially thought this was about picking out a team of non-nhlers to compete in the olympics, at what point we should consider nationalities as well.

Anyway, the KHL vs. NHL debate is the same as the NBA vs. world. Some time ago, the NBA sent over a team to participate in the McDonald's Open. A pre-season adventure. That was happening until the NBA teams started losing, but to say that the NBA isn't and wasn't the better league would be a stretch.

To compare the NHL and the KHL is also rather futile. Bring over any team from the KHL to play in the NHL, they will lose, at least initially, as they will have to adjust to the different way of playing, rule interpretation, overall culture, etc. Some fo the guys on any given team will be able to adjust, but not all of them. I'm sure the same goes for an NHL team traveling to play in Russia.

This kinds of conversations are quite old but seem to repeat themselves in all different sports over and over again.

That's one of the worst math suggestions that I have ever seen. Russia can easily put together 5 teams to compete in the NHL. Right now there are only 25 or so Russians, basically one team. How is that 50%?

So with 6% of the world's hockey players Russia could easily fill up 17% of the spots in the NHL? :shakehead Right now Russia has around 3% of the NHL's players. If that was increased to 6% to reflect the percent of the world's players that Russia has, then you would be looking at around 50 NHLers. I realize that you are not interested in factual analysis, but there you go....

I think it is fair to say that if a team of all the best non-NHLers was assembled that they could be a decent NHL team, but far from the best in the league. A lot of these players have played in the NHL, so it isn't that hard to look up their stats. A lot of them are now over the hill and a lot just didn't do that well in the NHL when they had the chance. The talent outside of the NHL is improving, but to say there are numerous club teams in Europe that could compete in the NHL today is a fantasy.

Great thread you guys got here. :shakehead

A KHL all star team, trained together like a real team, would be top 5 AHL and be better than 5 teams in the NHL.

A KHL all star team, trained together like a real team, would be top 5 AHL and be better than 5 teams in the NHL.

Mmmkay..? The worst NHL team is easily better than an AHL All-Star team.

Tappara and Lions were able to win NHL teams last pre-season, I'm sure there are atleast a team or two in the KHL that could compete in the NHL.

Mmmkay..? The worst NHL team is easily better than an AHL All-Star team.

Tappara and Lions were able to win NHL teams last pre-season, I'm sure there are atleast a team or two in the KHL that could compete in the NHL.

You just lost your argument.

In a large ice rink, the best NHL team wouldn't smell the puck against the worst KHL team.

In a small rink, things would be a little different, but the KHL team would win easily

I do believe you possess massive brain damage. The proof is in Radulov look at his NHL vs. KHL stats.

Well I am 100% sure that few teams from KHL would make NHL play offs...and i am sure that few teams from NHL would not make KHL play offs...

All other comparison is not possible, since the game is played on ice ring and not on papers...

On the other hand if you think that every NHL-er is ultimately better than any non-NHLer - it is simply stupid consideration...

So how did those KHL guys on Russia do against Canada today?

So how did those KHL guys on Russia do against Canada today?

It's 1 game.

Looking at the tournament as a whole (all countries), KHLers have performed very well vs NHLers.

So how did those KHL guys on Russia do against Canada today?
Forwards:
NHLers:
Ovechkin 0+0 -2
Malkin 0+0 -2
KHLers:
Zinoviev 0+0 -2
Morozov 0+0 -2

Defenders:
NHL:
Markov 0+0 -3
KHL:
Nikulin 0+0 -3

So, KHL=NHL? :sarcasm:

Forwards:
NHLers:
Ovechkin 0+0 -2
Malkin 0+0 -2
KHLers:
Zinoviev 0+0 -2
Morozov 0+0 -2

Defenders:
NHL:
Markov 0+0 -3
KHL:
Nikulin 0+0 -3

So, KHL=NHL? :sarcasm:

It's 1 game.

Looking at the tournament as a whole (all countries), KHLers have performed very well vs NHLers.

i would love to see the khl's best make a team and compete as the 31st team in the nhl... it would definately put an end to this arguement... it's a shame it'll never happen

I think it would be..

Zherdev - Yashin - Martensson

since you said that it is based on the stats. :)

I love how ignorant and/or dumb are many north americans. There is a tiny tiny fact that you forget. NHL is NA league, so obviously it is league where best their talent goes, and there are many superstars no doubt, hence it is the best league in world by far, but there are so many average nhlers. You see, for a player from Russia,Sweden,Finland whatever to get into league, you have to be better than average nhler, because what are the odds, when 2 players play the same, nhl team is gonna take non american/canadian instead of their own new player. Think about. The same reason why in europe no one is gonna take american/canadian in team over player from their own country, if they play the same. It is the reason why there are many players good enough to play in nhl not playing. Cheeseburger slaves think about it

Oh and ye
In general, North Americans who think KHL teams would get destroyed haven't seen a single KHL game in their life, making their opinions uninformed and useless.

not the kind of thread i was anticipating, but i was hoping that the thread would bring up euro players with long careers but none/very fewe nhl games played who were still very good and could compete at an international level at the olympics/World cup for instance where every nat team could pick their NHL stars, or even at the not so highly rated world champs.

The main player i was going to lobby is Jörgen Jönsson, and even though he played most of his carreer at Färjestads BK, one of the biggest rivals of my fav team, DIF, J. Jönsson is/was one of the players i respected the most. And since my Hockey devotion faltered a bit from 98-00 due to massive football(soccer) awsomeness i dont know why he left the NHL after just 80ish games (if someone could enlighten me on this id be happy), However he was one of and sometimes the best players in SEL for many years. He was also a great leader and was selected as Swedens captain for many tournaments (where Mats Sundin wasnt present).

HMs to

Jonas Bergqvist, also a very short NHL carreer but nevertheless a player i will never forget.
Raimo Helminen, 117 NHL games but loooong carreer and highly respected in Finland, aswell as in Sweden

Funny to see how some north Americans think that NHL is some ice hockey wonderland, which always has and attracts the best players. In theory it's quite true, but not in practise. Most 3rd and 4th liners are just mass which could be replaced by similar mass from AHL/Europe. Playing in NHL doesn't absolutely mean that you're better than players in other leagues. It means that you've managed to convince the club that you're able to play in certain role with certain players and you've been in player pool that they've been able to pick you up.

Top talents are different thing, of course, but average NHLers aren't some magical beasts which are automatically better than top players of AHL/Europe. NHL can't contain the best players because of cap restrictions and the fact that organizations can use players only from their own organizations. I mean that if someone doesn't fit in the Red Wings team, it doesn't mean that some other organization wouldn't have place for him in NHL.

One reason for young non-top-talent players preferring to playing in KHL instead of NHL is that it's difficult to make progress if you play 8 minutes per game in defensive role. In KHL those above average players, who have difficulties in penetrating in top-6 in NHL team, can get bigger role and more ice time in KHL. Development and getting more ice time may be more important for many players than playing the most prestigious league. I understand that American and Canadian may think differently about that.

On the other hand, ice hockey is not an individual sport but team sport. Top material doesn't guarantee the success (as you all have noticed). I guess top KHL teams would be able to compete in NHL, at least after a kind of "adjustment period". Adjustment period would be needed in the same way for a NHL team starting to play in KHL.

i have to hop into this

first of all, im a pro north american- bias? yes for sure
have i seen a khl game? no i havent

but i mentioned this at work today and both my co workers blew up on me with this north american supremist attitude when i suggested that 4 or 5 khl teams could compete and maybe make playoffs (ufa for sure)

they laughed and said they would go 0-82

but lookin at the roster, the way the team is set up, you know two scoring lines and vets, they have former sc champs and vets on the team they could do some damage

the khl is still no where on the level the nhl is.... business wise or on ice( you still have chehkov, so deal with it) but they are improving, i see it in the way there day to day operations is improving, the khl shop expanding and will to deal with foreign countries etc so they are getting there slowly and surely

thats my rant

afrobomber out

Funny to see how some north Americans think that NHL is some ice hockey wonderland, which always has and attracts the best players. In theory it's quite true, but not in practise. Most 3rd and 4th liners are just mass which could be replaced by similar mass from AHL/Europe. Playing in NHL doesn't absolutely mean that you're better than players in other leagues. It means that you've managed to convince the club that you're able to play in certain role with certain players and you've been in player pool that they've been able to pick you up.

Top talents are different thing, of course, but average NHLers aren't some magical beasts which are automatically better than top players of AHL/Europe. NHL can't contain the best players because of cap restrictions and the fact that organizations can use players only from their own organizations. I mean that if someone doesn't fit in the Red Wings team, it doesn't mean that some other organization wouldn't have place for him in NHL.

One reason for young non-top-talent players preferring to playing in KHL instead of NHL is that it's difficult to make progress if you play 8 minutes per game in defensive role. In KHL those above average players, who have difficulties in penetrating in top-6 in NHL team, can get bigger role and more ice time in KHL. Development and getting more ice time may be more important for many players than playing the most prestigious league. I understand that American and Canadian may think differently about that.

On the other hand, ice hockey is not an individual sport but team sport. Top material doesn't guarantee the success (as you all have noticed). I guess top KHL teams would be able to compete in NHL, at least after a kind of "adjustment period". Adjustment period would be needed in the same way for a NHL team starting to play in KHL.

Good post. Also, for a low-mid level NHLer who may play only a couple of minutes per game if/when he cracks the lineup, the alternative of playing a more prominent role on a KHL team is very attractive. ESPECIALLY if he's European. Easier schedule, hop on a plane and be home with your family in an hour two... What's not to like?

I'd probably have that one guy Jagr on my team... oh and that Forsberg too.

Yeah no kidding

Yeah, yeah, when the best team in KHL is full of NHL rejects. But in Holy Russia this guys(Sushinsky, Ekman, Cajanek, Kvyatkovski, Giroux, Eshe, Yashin) suddenly started to play like Gods. Because Russia is holy land and they reached Nirvana finally.

Btw, Sergey Makarov, aren't you the guy that told the World, that Sergey Mozyakin is TOP 5 player in the World? And Kirill Koltsov is TOP 10 defenseman? And Maxim Rybin is at the same level with Ryan Getzlaf?

What's next? Maxim Velikov is on the same level as Nik Lidstrom in his prime?

Don't forget: some players that don't have the style to play well on the narrow, NHL rink could be more suited to play on the wider, European rink. Hence NHL rejects playing like all-stars in the KHL.

not the kind of thread i was anticipating, but i was hoping that the thread would bring up euro players with long careers but none/very fewe nhl games played who were still very good and could compete at an international level at the olympics/World cup for instance where every nat team could pick their NHL stars, or even at the not so highly rated world champs.

The main player i was going to lobby is Jörgen Jönsson, and even though he played most of his carreer at Färjestads BK, one of the biggest rivals of my fav team, DIF, J. Jönsson is/was one of the players i respected the most. And since my Hockey devotion faltered a bit from 98-00 due to massive football(soccer) awsomeness i dont know why he left the NHL after just 80ish games (if someone could enlighten me on this id be happy), However he was one of and sometimes the best players in SEL for many years. He was also a great leader and was selected as Swedens captain for many tournaments (where Mats Sundin wasnt present).

HMs to

Jonas Bergqvist, also a very short NHL carreer but nevertheless a player i will never forget.
Raimo Helminen, 117 NHL games but loooong carreer and highly respected in Finland, aswell as in Sweden


His wife was homesick(main reason) and he was really the first player in SEL to earn a salary comparably to a NHL-salary(Off course we have had players earning a lot off money before, but he was the first one to do it year after year).

Jönsson was always one off the first to be selected to Tre Kronor duty, always making the first rooster before the big tournaments(i mean the one that is selected months before that are 8-10 players long made up with players like Forsberg, Sundin, Lidström and so on) . So their is little doubt that he was considered a better player then the wast majority off swedes playing in the NHL at the same time..

Another player that almost has the same status today is Johan Davidsson of HV71...