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torero 03-23-2010, 11:40 AM Zuschauerstatistik Clubs1.
1. (1) SC Bern (SUI)..................15709
2. (2) Eisbären Berlin (DEU).........14060
3. (4) Frölunda Indians (SWE)......11399
4. (3) Adler Mannheim (DEU)........11094
5. (5) Kölner Haie (DEU)..............10076
6. (18) SKA St. Petersburg (RUS)....9400
7. (6) Avangard Omsk (RUS).........9202
8. (7) HC Pardubice (CZE)............8682
9. (8) Lokomotiv Jaroslawl (RUS)....8594
10. (10) Salawat Julajew Ufa (RUS)...8241
11. (9) Jokerit Helsinki (FIN)...........8233
12. (12) ZSC Lions (SUI).................7749
13. (16) Dinamo Riga (LET)..............7500
14. (-) Kometa Brno (CZE).............7158
15. (14) Amur Chabarowsk (RUS)......7100
16. (28) Djurgården Stockholm (SWE).7034
17. (17) HC Pilsen (CZE)..................7020
18. (11) Hamburg Freezers (DEU).......6993
19. (27) Fribourg-Gottéron (SUI)........6969
20. (15) HV71 Jönköping (SWE).........6939
21. (13) Linköpings HC (SWE)............6899
22. (20) Färjestads BK (SWE)............6784
23. (25) Sibir Nowosibirsk (RUS).........6557
24. (30) Genf-Servette (SUI)............6554
25. (22) Sparta Prag (CZE)...............6525
26. (21) MODO Örnsköldsvik (SWE).....6405
27. (23) HIFK Helsinki (FIN)...............6277
28. (-) Metallurg Magnitogorsk (RUS).6172
29. (24) Atlant Mytischtschi (RUS).....6083
30. (19) HC Kosice (SVK)..................5992
31. (44) TPS Turku (FIN)..................5984
32. (26) Frankfurt Lions (GER)............5894
33. (-) Traktor Tscheljabinsk (RUS)...5866
34. (-) Kloten Flyers (SUI)...............5849
35. (-) Medvescak Zagreb (CRO)......5843
36. (29) Brynäs IF (SWE)..................5738
37. (31) DEG Metro Stars (DEU).........5707
38. (34) Kärpät Oulu (FIN)................5668
39. (-) Malmö Redhawks (SWE-2).....5592
40. (32) Bili Tygri Liberec (CZE).........5527
41. (45) Tappara Tampere (FIN)........5452
42. (39) Slavia Prag (CZE)................5430
43. (36) Ilves Tampere (FIN).............5404
44. (-) Luleå HF (SWE)...................5332
45. (38) Torpedo Nischnij Nowgorod (RUS).5293
46. (33) SCL Tigers (SUI) .................5235
47. (-) Neftekhimik Nischnekamsk (RUS).5204
48. (-) Klagenfurter AC (OES)...........5127
49. (-) Vitkovice Ostrava (CZE)........5123
50. (40) Timrå IK (SWE)....................5051
Spectators by European league on average.
1.Schweden - Elitserien........................6190
2.Schweiz - National League A...............6181
3.Deutschland - Deutsche Eishockey Liga 5807
4.Russia - Kontinental Hockey League......5474
5.Finnland - SM-liiga.............................5240
6.Tschechien - Extraliga........................4951
7.Österreich - EBEL.............................. 3301
8.Slowakei - Extraliga........................... 2364
9.UK - Elite Ice Hockey League...............2252
These statisticks are interesting. I knew hockey was popular in Switzerland ... that Bern was the first 9 years in a row in spite of the krisis hitting the number of people is impressive.
Where i am surprised is by Germany ... they have 15 teams in the DEL. Eisbaren Berlin have 14000, Adler Manheim 11000 and Kolner Haie 10000, if the leagues averages 5800 per game, what is left for the others ??
Actually Switzerland with Bern at 15700 and the average being at 6181 spread over 12 teams deserves the same question !!
Interesting ... sorry for some words that are in German. I didn't translate the ones that still appear understandable in English.
Dfire 03-23-2010, 11:49 AM Where i am surprised is by Germany ... they have 15 teams in the DEL. Eisbaren Berlin have 14000, Adler Manheim 11000 and Kolner Haie 10000, if the leagues averages 5800 per game, what is left for the others ??
Some more teams in Germany have the potential for an average of more than 10000: Düsseldorf, Hamburg and Frankfurt. but they can't reach it (anymore) due to various different reasons.
In other places the fan-base is just significantly slimmer: For example Iserlohn, Kassel, Ingolstadt or Krefeld.
And then there is Wolfsburg whose fanbase is tiny.
fuechsken 04-08-2010, 08:20 AM Well, I hear Gernot Tripcke's voice saying: "The average attendance in the DEL has steadily risen over the last years". Yes, but we now have a three-class system: clubs with a high attendance (Berlin, Mannheim, Cologne), clubs with mediocre attendance (Frankfurt, Krefeld, Ingolstadt) and teams with low attendance (Wolfsburg). The problem is that in some cities the newly build arenas are greatly accepted, like in Berlin and Mannheim, but e.g. in Düsseldorf attendance steadily declines since they moved to their new place. Those new fancy arenas are expensive and thus a declining attendance leads to financial losses. If Iserlohn needs an average attendance of 1000 to earn money, Cologne or Düsseldorf need 5 or 6 or 7 times as much.
What is also impressive is the Croatian club, Medvescak Zagreb at 35. 5,843 fans is very impressive in a country that only has two or three serious clubs and maybe the same number of regluation ice rinks. I believe ice hockey is one of the few sports events in Croatia that you can drink alcohol and watch.
olliho 05-29-2010, 03:02 PM Well, I hear Gernot Tripcke's voice saying: "The average attendance in the DEL has steadily risen over the last years". Yes, but we now have a three-class system: clubs with a high attendance (Berlin, Mannheim, Cologne), clubs with mediocre attendance (Frankfurt, Krefeld, Ingolstadt) and teams with low attendance (Wolfsburg). The problem is that in some cities the newly build arenas are greatly accepted, like in Berlin and Mannheim, but e.g. in Düsseldorf attendance steadily declines since they moved to their new place. Those new fancy arenas are expensive and thus a declining attendance leads to financial losses. If Iserlohn needs an average attendance of 1000 to earn money, Cologne or Düsseldorf need 5 or 6 or 7 times as much.
Also Teams like Ingolstadt have only a 4800 People Stadium.
luffis 01-04-2011, 10:29 AM big kudos to Timrå IK, the attendance/population is remakrable
Timrå, population 10199 avg attendance 5051 49.5%
thats quite amazing if you ask me :)
crobro 01-29-2011, 05:06 PM What is also impressive is the Croatian club, Medvescak Zagreb at 35. 5,843 fans is very impressive in a country that only has two or three serious clubs and maybe the same number of regluation ice rinks. I believe ice hockey is one of the few sports events in Croatia that you can drink alcohol and watch.
the bears will be playing a few games in the zagreb 02 arena
expect crowds in the 14.000 range
hockey is really taking off in croatia
Also Teams like Ingolstadt have only a 4800 People Stadium.
Gosh, I wish our stadium was only 5000 as well.
Last week we had 2500 in a 10.000 arena, that's just
a horrible atmosphere.
Ciccarelli 01-30-2011, 04:36 AM Gosh, I wish our stadium was only 5000 as well.
Last week we had 2500 in a 10.000 arena, that's just
a horrible atmosphere.
Yea, it's definately better to have a smaller arena if your team don't draw more than a few thousands. Like you said the atmosphere is terrible if the arena is half full, compared to if it's packed, even if the attendance is similar.
Rille 01-30-2011, 11:02 AM big kudos to Timrå IK, the attendance/population is remakrable
Timrå, population 10199 avg attendance 5051 49.5%
thats quite amazing if you ask me :)
Timrå is just 20km from Sundsvall with 100000 habitants. So it is not so impressive then.
zamo86 01-30-2011, 05:06 PM Medvescak Zagreb played four EBEL league games in Arena Zagreb recently. The arena has a capacity of 15,200 and over 60,000 people watched the games.
http://www.ezadar.hr/repository/image_raw/158067/xxl/
crobro 01-30-2011, 05:36 PM Medvescak Zagreb played four EBEL league games in Arena Zagreb recently. The arena has a capacity of 15,200 and over 60,000 people watched the games.
http://www.ezadar.hr/repository/image_raw/158067/xxl/
very impressive.
Mathradio 01-30-2011, 06:18 PM Timrå is just 20km from Sundsvall with 100000 habitants. So it is not so impressive then.
Still, Sundsvall must like its hockey.
Artemia 03-06-2011, 05:06 AM Hockey is in fact bigger than basketball in Europe when looking at attendance numbers for the leagues.
Average attendance basketball.
1. ACB (Spain): 6387.00
2. Lega (Italy): 3740.81
3. ProA (France): 3503.56
4. Bundesliga (Germany): 3469.75
5. LEB Gold (Spain): 2944.44
6. Superleague (Russia): 2276.76
7. Baltic Elite Division: 2238.97
8. ProB (France): 1720.00
9. Beko League (Turkey): 1363.31
10. A1 (Greece): 1228.29
11. Adriatic League: 1179.62
12. ProA (Germany): 1039.12
13. Finland: 865.67
14. LNBA (Switzerland): 678.93
15. ProB (Germany): 636.11
Hockey
1 2010 Sweden Elitserien 6,190
2 2010 Switzerland NL A 6,181
3 2010 Germany DEL 5,807
4 2010 Russia KHL 5,474
5 2010 Czech Republic Extraliga 5,240
6 2010 Finland SM-Liga 4,972
7 2010 Austria EBEL 3,301
8 2010 Slovakia Extraliga 2,364
9 2010 Sweden Allsvenskan 2,362
10 2010 Great Britain EIHL 2,252
11 2010 Switzerland NLB 2,196
12 2010 Germany Bundesliga 2,194
13 2010 Norway GET-ligaen 1,468
14 2010 France Ligue Magnus 1,324
15 2010 Denmark Al-Bank ligaen 1,294
16 2010 Finland Mestis 1,234
17 2010 Czech Republic 1. liga 1,207
18 2010 Italy Serie A 1,015
There are more leagues than these for both sports of course but it paints the picture.
18 european hockey leagues has more than 1000 on average vs just 12 for basketball.
Only 1 basketball league above 6K.
6 hockey leagues above 5-6K.
I don't think all that many people realized this.
Jussi 03-06-2011, 02:39 PM Hockey is in fact bigger than basketball in Europe when looking at attendance numbers for the leagues.
Average attendance basketball.
1. ACB (Spain): 6387.00
2. Lega (Italy): 3740.81
3. ProA (France): 3503.56
4. Bundesliga (Germany): 3469.75
5. LEB Gold (Spain): 2944.44
6. Superleague (Russia): 2276.76
7. Baltic Elite Division: 2238.97
8. ProB (France): 1720.00
9. Beko League (Turkey): 1363.31
10. A1 (Greece): 1228.29
11. Adriatic League: 1179.62
12. ProA (Germany): 1039.12
13. Finland: 865.67
14. LNBA (Switzerland): 678.93
15. ProB (Germany): 636.11
Hockey
1 2010 Sweden Elitserien 6,190
2 2010 Switzerland NL A 6,181
3 2010 Germany DEL 5,807
4 2010 Russia KHL 5,474
5 2010 Czech Republic Extraliga 5,240
6 2010 Finland SM-Liga 4,972
7 2010 Austria EBEL 3,301
8 2010 Slovakia Extraliga 2,364
9 2010 Sweden Allsvenskan 2,362
10 2010 Great Britain EIHL 2,252
11 2010 Switzerland NLB 2,196
12 2010 Germany Bundesliga 2,194
13 2010 Norway GET-ligaen 1,468
14 2010 France Ligue Magnus 1,324
15 2010 Denmark Al-Bank ligaen 1,294
16 2010 Finland Mestis 1,234
17 2010 Czech Republic 1. liga 1,207
18 2010 Italy Serie A 1,015
There are more leagues than these for both sports of course but it paints the picture.
18 european hockey leagues has more than 1000 on average vs just 12 for basketball.
Only 1 basketball league above 6K.
6 hockey leagues above 5-6K.
I don't think all that many people realized this.
Basketball arenas generally hold much fewer people than hockey, in Finland and Sweden they don't play in the same arenas.
crobro 03-07-2011, 02:00 AM Hockey is in fact bigger than basketball in Europe when looking at attendance numbers for the leagues.
Average attendance basketball.
1. ACB (Spain): 6387.00
2. Lega (Italy): 3740.81
3. ProA (France): 3503.56
4. Bundesliga (Germany): 3469.75
5. LEB Gold (Spain): 2944.44
6. Superleague (Russia): 2276.76
7. Baltic Elite Division: 2238.97
8. ProB (France): 1720.00
9. Beko League (Turkey): 1363.31
10. A1 (Greece): 1228.29
11. Adriatic League: 1179.62
12. ProA (Germany): 1039.12
13. Finland: 865.67
14. LNBA (Switzerland): 678.93
15. ProB (Germany): 636.11
Hockey
1 2010 Sweden Elitserien 6,190
2 2010 Switzerland NL A 6,181
3 2010 Germany DEL 5,807
4 2010 Russia KHL 5,474
5 2010 Czech Republic Extraliga 5,240
6 2010 Finland SM-Liga 4,972
7 2010 Austria EBEL 3,301
8 2010 Slovakia Extraliga 2,364
9 2010 Sweden Allsvenskan 2,362
10 2010 Great Britain EIHL 2,252
11 2010 Switzerland NLB 2,196
12 2010 Germany Bundesliga 2,194
13 2010 Norway GET-ligaen 1,468
14 2010 France Ligue Magnus 1,324
15 2010 Denmark Al-Bank ligaen 1,294
16 2010 Finland Mestis 1,234
17 2010 Czech Republic 1. liga 1,207
18 2010 Italy Serie A 1,015
There are more leagues than these for both sports of course but it paints the picture.
18 european hockey leagues has more than 1000 on average vs just 12 for basketball.
Only 1 basketball league above 6K.
6 hockey leagues above 5-6K.
I don't think all that many people realized this.
whats croatias attendance average this season
Artemia 03-07-2011, 02:47 AM Basketball arenas generally hold much fewer people than hockey, in Finland and Sweden they don't play in the same arenas.
There's no interest for basketball in northern europe. Just like there's no interest for hockey in Spain.
But if there was basketball interest here, teams could easily play in bigger arenas. Trust me, basketball do not have arena problems in northern europe.
Hockey do on the other hand, especially in Denmark and Norway, usually playing in small, worn down, old arenas.
Another reason why hockey beats basketball in europe is that hockey is number 1 sport, or close to it in many european countries.
Basketball isn't, it's usually a middling sport, or at best, a very far second.
As we can see, it draws most people in Spain, but even there with almost 50 million people it only does the same numbers as hockey in Sweden, despite having 5 times bigger population.
Artemia 03-07-2011, 09:05 AM Another problem for basketball in europe is of course the competition from handball. Something basketball doesn't have in America for example.
Handball is quite similar and almost as popular. I don't think the fanbases cross much either.
jekoh 03-07-2011, 11:48 AM Another reason why hockey beats basketball in europe is that hockey is number 1 sport, or close to it in many european countries.
Hockey is the number 1 sport in just one country, a small one at that.
As we can see, it draws most people in Spain, but even there with almost 50 million people it only does the same numbers as hockey in Sweden, despite having 5 times bigger population.
Actually it draws 50% more people in the top league, but regardless, with your reasoning hockey is bigger in Austria than in Slovakia, while basketball is bigger in Finland than in Greece. We all know it's not.
Note that Russia also has 3 times Spain's population yet the Spanish top basketball league outdraws the KHL.
All in all hockey is not any bigger than basketball in Europe.
Artemia 03-08-2011, 12:16 AM All in all hockey is not any bigger than basketball in Europe.
Uh, attendance wise, hockey is clearly bigger. And I'm sure if the numbers were total attendance and not the average for the leagues, hockey would come even further ahead.
KHL for example is 23 teams with 5.5K average.
Russian Superleague is just 11 teams with 2.2K average.
Hockey is the number 1 sport in just one country, a small one at that.
Yes, Finland. That doesn't mean hockey isn't very close to soccer popularity in other countries. It is in several countries.
Basketball on the other hand isn't even remotely close to soccer anywhere.
jekoh 03-08-2011, 01:28 AM Uh, attendance wise, hockey is clearly bigger. And I'm sure if the numbers were total attendance and not the average for the leagues, hockey would come even further ahead.
Unlikely seeing as basketball has a lot more leagues (i see you also conveniently disregard bb's Euroleague). Also Spain's top two bb leagues have 18 teams each, Italy, France or Germany also have many teams in their bb leagues.
Attendance does not tell the whole story though, far from that, as I showed above.
Yes, Finland. That doesn't mean hockey isn't very close to soccer popularity in other countries. It is in several countries.
It is not close to football in "several countries", but even if it was, it does not follow that it is bigger than basketball. I mean cricket is also pretty big in two countries and it's still a tiny sport overall in Europe.
Basketball on the other hand isn't even remotely close to soccer anywhere.
Of course it is, and in "several countries". Ever heard of Lithuania? :shakehead
v-man 03-08-2011, 01:53 AM Hockey is the number 1 sport in just one country, a small one at that.
Well, two small ones, Finland and Latvia.
Artemia 03-08-2011, 02:41 AM Unlikely seeing as basketball has a lot more leagues (i see you also conveniently disregard bb's Euroleague). Also Spain's top two bb leagues have 18 teams each, Italy, France or Germany also have many teams in their bb leagues.
Attendance does not tell the whole story though, far from that, as I showed above.
It is not close to football in "several countries", but even if it was, it does not follow that it is bigger than basketball. I mean cricket is also pretty big in two countries and it's still a tiny sport overall in Europe.
Of course it is, and in "several countries". Ever heard of Lithuania? :shakehead
Euroleague is a champions league kind of tournament isn't it? Not reasonable to count that as hockey usually doesn't have one. But when hockey do I'm sure hockey gets similar numbers.
I only consider attendance numbers. And using that hockey beats basketball in europe by a large margin.
As for number of teams, sure there are more basketball teams. You only need like half or 1/3rd the number of players to make basketball team vs a hockey one.
But that doesn't mean many come to watch. Even Sweden has a 14 team basketball league. Hockey top division is just 12. But their second division has another 14 and draws big numbers also.
Just look at the attendance numbers. Hockey beats basketball easily in average numbers. Those are facts, not some numbers you or I pull out of our behinds.
Hockey has higher averages. More leagues above 1000 average etc.
And if total attendance numbers were used, basket would lose even more as hockey usually plays many more games in Europe.
Lithuania? Basket may be popular there but the numbers doesn't show it. Having a popular national team on tv isn't the same as a popular league.
Not to mention it's a tiny country, just 3 million people! You complain about Finland being a small country but bring up Lithuania as some basketball savior?
Also, why are you again downplaying hockey's popularity in European countries? It's close to soccer or even beating it in total attendance numbers in Sweden, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Slovakia, Finland, and Russia.
And a much closer second in the second tier countries than basketball ever is, like in Germany, Norway, Austria etc.
Where in Europe is basketball even close to soccer's total attendance numbers during a season?
Spain basketball is 2.1 million.
Spain soccer is 11 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professiona l_sports_leagues
BTW, KHL's total attendance per season is bigger than Russia's top soccer league.
Artemia 03-08-2011, 03:20 AM Here's the total attendance numbers for the top european hockey and basketball leagues.
Basketball.
Liga ACB Basketball Spain 2008-09 2,149,416
Lega Basket Serie A Basketball Italy 2008–09 926,910
Basketball Bundesliga Germany 2006-07 1,031,096
Russian Basketball Super League Russia 2008-09 317,021
Hell, I'll even give you the euroleague just to be nice.
Euroleague Basketball Europe 2009-10 1,238,980
It's missing France but seeing as that draws half the average of Spain, 1 million is realistic.
So the top 6 leagues, including Euroleague, total attendance is around 6.5 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professiona l_sports_leagues
For hockey it becomes.
Kontinental Hockey League 2008–09 3,885,000
Elitserien Ice hockey Sweden 2006-07 2,064,204
Deutsche Eishockey Liga Germany 2008–09 2,440,815
Czech Extraliga Ice hockey 2004-05 1,826,507
SM-liiga Ice hockey Finland 2006-07 1,677,494
Nationalliga A Ice hockey Switzerland 2004-05 1,450,591
= 13 million total attendance for top 6 european leagues.
So even without champions league to inflate numbers in hockey, hockey crushes basketball in total attendance. Pretty much double.
And it's not like some of the less popular leagues in other european countries will help basketball either. It keeps on losing to hockey in almost every country.
jekoh 03-08-2011, 06:53 AM Here's the total attendance numbers for the top european hockey and basketball leagues.
This is getting ridiculous, now you basically argue a league is more popular because it plays more games. :shakehead
Lithuania? Basket may be popular there but the numbers doesn't show it.
Actually, they do. Using your own method, attendance figures show basketball to be more popular than football in Lithuania : http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveltu.htm
Attendance figures also show football to be 4 times as popular in Switzerland as it is in Serbia.
Such a great indicator. :laugh:
BTW, KHL's total attendance per season is bigger than Russia's top soccer league.
Which goes to show how terrible an indicator it is.
Artemia 03-08-2011, 07:06 AM This is getting ridiculous, now you basically argue a league is more popular because it plays more games. :shakehead
Actually, they do. Using your own method, attendance figures show basketball to be more popular than football in Lithuania : http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveltu.htm
Attendance figures also show football to be 4 times as popular in Switzerland as it is in Serbia.
Such a great indicator. :laugh:
Which goes to show how terrible an indicator it is.
I see you've been trolling hockey for a while in your previous posts. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.
More than twice as many people attend hockey games in europe compared to basket. Fact.
Sanderson 03-08-2011, 12:00 PM Hockey has always been gate driven, just look at the NHL and NBA, total and average attendance are pretty close to each other, it's tv where the difference comes into play and basketball dominates.
There isn't much of a difference in Europe. Hockey has slightly better attendance than basketball and handball, but those two usually have better tv-ratings instead. Neither of those three has enough of an argument to be considered the no.2 teamsport in Europe.
Artemia 03-08-2011, 01:06 PM Hockey has always been gate driven, just look at the NHL and NBA, total and average attendance are pretty close to each other, it's tv where the difference comes into play and basketball dominates.
There isn't much of a difference in Europe. Hockey has slightly better attendance than basketball and handball, but those two usually have better tv-ratings instead. Neither of those three has enough of an argument to be considered the no.2 teamsport in Europe.
Slightly better attendance than handball? I know handball is somewhat popular in Germany but even there it's almost 1 million behind hockey attendance according to the figures.
Sure, it probably has more casual appeal among tv viewers, national team especially, but people who actually pay and watch games are not so many.
It's like that with handball everywhere where it's supposedly "popular". Here in Norway it's also like that. It's popular on tv because we always win, especially women, but hardly anybody attend games, male or female.
Even here hockey has like 3 times more attendance than handball.
What is the second most popular handball league? I can't even find numbers for other leagues than Germany, but none are guaranteed even close to Germany's number. Which is still just 1.4 million total.
France perhaps? Denmark? If it is I'm pretty sure they don't even have half of Germany's numbers.
Hockey on the other hand has 6 european leagues with higher numbers than handball in Germany.
And those 6 leagues have 13 million per season. 6 top handball is probably not even 4 million.
So there's quite a difference.
13 million is pretty amazing actually considering NHL is "only" 21 million.
All of the european hockey leagues combined is probably quite close to NHL. Maybe just 5 million behind.
Artemia 03-11-2011, 04:53 AM Continuing my last post, the numbers I could find for the ones below top 6 leagues are.
Austrian Hockey League Ice hockey 2008/09 907,740
Slovak Extraliga 2004-05 766,816
Elite Ice Hockey League Great Britain 2009-10 743,040
HockeyAllsvenskan Sweden 2006-07 679,156
AL-Bank Ligaen Denmark 2007-08 407,972
Get-Ligaen Norway 2005-06 329,768
Can't find numbers for Italy and France which are some of the bigger leagues missing, but I'm sure they're about the same as Norway/Denmark as their leagues have almost same average attendance.
So lets say 700K for them.
Some other strong 2nd leagues are:
11 2010 Switzerland NLB 2,196
12 2010 Germany Bundesliga 2,194
16 2010 Finland Mestis 1,234
Those three probably more than 1 million overall per season.
The rest like Poland, romania etc is probably less than 100K per season.
So overall in Europe around 18-19 million hockey attendance. Not bad. Some of these numbers are a bit old too, I doubt they're any worse today.
So just 2-3 million behind NHL overall. Then again USA/Canada have many other leagues drawing millions too, so for hockey in general they're far ahead.
Amazing that the KHL is so low.
malkinfan 03-13-2011, 01:13 AM Amazing that the KHL is so low.
Not at all... The KHL has 23 teams. Other leagues have half the amount. If you take the top 12 KHL teams attendance only, the figures would be much higher. Teams like Omsk, Ufa, Minsk, Khabarovsk, Yaroslavl rarely sell below capacity. Other teams like Riga, st. Petersburg, Mytischi, Novosibirsk, Chelyabinsk, Magnitogorsk usually sell to 80% capacity in pretty big rinks. Other teams like Barys (getting new rink soon) and Nizhnekamsk sell to capacity but are limited to small rinks. Chekhov = failure of KHL, even sells to capacity on avg. night but is limited by small rink.
,,Basically if you drop the bottom teams from the avg attendance figure, KHL would be #1. Also, KHL has increased attendance in past few years.
Pushkin 03-14-2011, 10:00 AM You're 100% right.
WeberStreit 03-15-2011, 10:26 AM This season's figures are out:
Attendance figures in European hockey leagues 2010-2011
Club
Country
Average
Cap. %
1.
(1.)
SC Bern
SUI
15,856
92.56%
2.
(2.)
Eisbären Berlin
GER
13,946
98.21%
3.
(61.)
Dynamo Minsk
BLR
10,538
70.25%
4.
(5.)
Kölner Haie
GER
9,696
52.41%
5.
(4.)
Adler Mannheim
GER
9,689
71.24%
6.
(3.)
Frölunda Gothenburg
SWE
9,378
77.86%
7.
(7.)
Avangard Omsk
RUS
9,303
90.16%
8.
(9.)
Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
RUS
8,998
99.21%
9.
(8.)
HC Pardubice
CZE
8,922
87.52%
10.
(11.)
Jokerit Helsinki
FIN
8,490
62.13%
11.
(6.)
SKA St. Petersburg
RUS
8,170
66.42%
12.
(10.)
Salavat Yulayev Ufa
RUS
7,998
100.00%
13.
(35.)
Medvescak Zagreb
CRO
7,837
98.60%
14.
(12.)
ZSC Lions Zurich
SUI
7,640
71.40%
15.
(13.)
Dinamo Riga
LAT
7,619
73.97%
16.
(16.)
Djurgården Stockholm
SWE
7,401
91.44%
17.
(14.)
Kometa Brno
CZE
7,165
99.51%
18.
(23.)
Traktor Chelyabinsk
RUS
7,157
95.43%
19.
(15.)
Amur Khabarovsk
RUS
7,078
99.69%
20.
(18.)
Hamburg Freezers
GER
7,037
54.96%
21.
(24.)
Genève-Servette
SUI
6,922
22.
(20.)
HV71 Jönköping
SWE
6,849
23.
(22.)
Färjestad Karlstad
SWE
6,784
24.
(19.)
Fribourg-Gottéron
SUI
6,764
25.
(21.)
Linköpings HC
SWE
6,676
26.
(27.)
HIFK Helsinki
FIN
6,625
27.
(28.)
Met. Magnitogorsk
RUS
6,540
28.
(23.)
Sibir Novosibirsk
RUS
6,393
29.
(68.)
EV Zug
SUI
6,295
30.
(26.)
MODO Örnsköldsvik
SWE
6,194
31.
(17.)
HC Plzen
CZE
6,068
32.
(29.)
Atlant Mytishi
RUS
5,959
33.
(30.)
HC Kosice
SVK
5,746
34.
(34.)
Kloten Flyers
SUI
5,695
35.
(36.)
Brynäs Gävle
SWE
5,683
36.
(-)
AIK Stockholm
SWE
5,614
37.
(38.)
Kärpät Oulu
FIN
5,601
38.
(60.)
Dynamo Moscow
RUS
5,485
39.
(40.)
Bili Tygri Liberec
CZE
5,467
40.
(31.)
TPS Turku
FIN
5,397
41.
(46.)
SCL Tigers Langnau
SUI
5,374
42.
(43.)
Ilves Tampere
FIN
5,277
43.
(44.)
Luleå HF
SWE
5,226
44.
(37.)
DEG Düsseldorf
GER
5,180
45.
(25.)
Sparta Prague
CZE
5,165
46.
(47.)
Neft. Nizhnekamsk
RUS
5,130
47.
(49.)
Vitkovice Ostrava
CZE
5,046
48.
(42.)
Slavia Prague
CZE
5,012
49.
(50.)
Timrå IK
SWE
4,998
50.
(53.)
Skellefteå AIK
SWE
4,993
51.
(41.)
Tappara Tampere
FIN
4,922
52.
(45.)
Torp. Nizhni Novgorod
RUS
4,844
53.
(54.)
Leksands IF
SWE-2
4,842
54.
(51.)
Ak Bars Kazan
RUS
4,836
55.
(56.)
Barys Astana
KAZ
4,819
56.
(63.)
HC Ceske Budejovice
CZE
4,774
57.
(76.)
Nuremberg Ice Tigers
GER
4,739
58.
(58.)
PSG Zlin
CZE
4,606
59.
(73.)
Ässät Pori
FIN
4,575
60.
(52.)
EHC Biel
SUI
4,526
61.
(64.)
HC Davos
SUI
4,524
62.
(59.)
Nottingham Panthers
GBR
4,506
63.
(94.)
Krefeld Pinguine
GER
4,500
64.
(39.)
Malmö Redhawks
SWE-2
4,437
65.
(67.)
Straubing Tigers
GER
4,432
66.
(89.)
Lausanne HC
SUI-2
4,381
67.
(57.)
Rapperswil-Jona
SUI
4,363
68.
(71.)
Espoo Blues
FIN
4,357
69.
(48.)
KAC Klagenfurt
AUT
4,296
70.
(55.)
Hannover Scorpions
GER
4,288
71.
(82.)
Södertälje SK
SWE
4,230
72.
(-)
Yuzhny Ural Orsk
RUS-2
4,203
73.
(65.)
Avt. Yekaterinburg
RUS
4,158
74.
(62.)
HC Litvinov
CZE
4,110
75.
(74.)
HC Lugano
SUI
4,060
76.
(75.)
JYP Jyväskylä
FIN
4,015
77.
(66.)
KalPa Kuopio
FIN
4,015
78.
(69.)
Lukko Rauma
FIN
3,949
79.
(-)
EHC München
GER
3,915
80.
(77.)
Pelicans Lahti
FIN
3,839
81.
(78.)
Vienna Capitals
AUT
3,829
82.
(79.)
ERC Ingolstadt
GER
3,711
83.
(93.)
Ocelari Trinec
CZE
3,688
84.
(91.)
HC Ambrì-Piotta
SUI
3,657
85.
(-)
Ust-Kamenogorsk
KAZ
3,630
86.
(70.)
Energie Karlovy Vary
CZE
3,573
87.
(83.)
Belfast Giants
GBR
3,566
88.
(80.)
VSV Villach
AUT
3,548
89.
(97.)
Schwenninger Wild W.
GER-2
3,515
90.
(86.)
Iserlohn Roosters
GER
3,494
91.
(90.)
Augsburger Panther
GER
3,434
92.
(120.)
HK Poprad
SVK
3,432
93.
(103.)
Severstal Cherepovets
RUS
3,406
94.
(85.)
HPK Hämeenlinna
FIN
3,405
95.
(-)
Yermak Angarsk
RUS-2
3,372
96.
(81.)
BK Mlada Boleslav
CZE
3,349
97.
(-)
Yugra Khanty-Mansisk
RUS
3,334
98.
(-)
Grenoble Brûleurs d.L.
FRA
3,281
99.
(87.)
SaiPa Lappeenranta
FIN
3,256
100.
(-)
Molot-Prikamie Perm
RUS-2
3,206
Note: 2nd column = 2009-2010 rating
Regular-Season average attendance Europe & Asia
League
Attendance
1.
Switzerland - National League A
6,306
2.
Sweden - Elitserien
6,160
3.
Russia - Kontinental Hockey League
5,785
4.
Germany - Deutsche Eishockey Liga
5,756
5.
Czech Republic - Extraliga
4,936
6.
Finland - SM-liiga
4,833
7.
Austria - EBEL
3,504
8.
Slovakia - Extraliga
2,462
9.
Great Britain - Elite Ice Hockey League
1,861
10.
Norway - Get Ligaen
1,454
11.
France - Ligue Magnus
1,313
12.
Denmark - AL-Bank Liga
1,302
13.
Asia League (CHN/KOR/JPN)
1,079
14.
Italy - Serie A
1,031
15.
Poland - Polska Liga
1,018
Regular-Season average attendance North America
League
Attendance
1.
National Hockey League
17,052
2.
American Hockey League
5,196
3.
Western Hockey League
4,243
4.
ECHL
4,219
5.
Central Hockey League
3,970
6.
Onterio Hockey League
3,726
7.
Quebec Major Junior Hockey League
3,335
8.
Southern Professional Hockey League
2,725
9.
United States Hockey League
2,637
Note: The regular season in North America and Great Britain were not completed as of publication date, March 15, 2011.
Switzerland overtook Sweden. That's awesome.
Even the National League B (Swis minor league) has a regular season average of 2'114 spectators.
:yo:
Edit: My copy & past list sucks. Here's the link: http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/news-singleview/article/swiss-nla-overtakes-sweden.html
Belenos 03-15-2011, 11:47 AM Switzerland overtook Sweden. That's awesome.
Even the National League B (Swis minor league) has a regular season average of 2'114 spectators.
Already posted in another thread...
But it's still great news!:)
AlanHUK 03-27-2011, 04:21 PM the GB elite league seems to have dropped around 400 on average attendence. would it be fair to assume that 2 new teams being added to the league would have caused this?
Markstroms pads 03-28-2011, 07:57 AM the GB elite league seems to have dropped around 400 on average attendence. would it be fair to assume that 2 new teams being added to the league would have caused this?
Yes, if there have been no previous hockey team in theese areas you have to assume that the interest for hockey ispretty low. Even if there have been previous teams there, people wont start rooting for a completely new team in a flash.
If the teams achieve succes i would assume that it will increase in populatity since they will get media coverage and then... well you know, the whole deal.
fredrikstad 05-29-2011, 08:35 AM This season's figures are out:
Switzerland overtook Sweden. That's awesome.
Even the National League B (Swis minor league) has a regular season average of 2'114 spectators.
:yo:
Edit: My copy & past list sucks. Here's the link: http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/news-singleview/article/swiss-nla-overtakes-sweden.html
But hockey cheat a little. At least in Norway, where they do not count the actual number of visitors in the arenas, but the number of tickets.
They reckon with all season ticketsholders, although not all are present.
So if it registered 1,500 spectators, it could still be only 7-800 which are actually in the arena.
Is it the case in other countries' leagues, too?
By the way, I did not know that it was still a basketball league in Norway?
worstfaceoffmanever 05-29-2011, 09:30 PM the GB elite league seems to have dropped around 400 on average attendence. would it be fair to assume that 2 new teams being added to the league would have caused this?
It's entirely possible, although I was under the impression that Braehead was drawing fairly well.
Hull probably detracted from league average attendance this year. Remember, most folks thought the Stingrays were folding until Coventry's ownership took over the club and saved it in the eleventh hour. That's bound to have a negative effect on attendance, although it's not like they have much more attendance to lose.
totozenerd 06-01-2011, 03:06 PM Ambri:1'036 hab, 3'657 average
Which gives us... 352% of inhabitants go to the games!
WTF?
More seriously, here are some impressive stats
The whole of the Leventine (Ambri's fan basin, 'cos the other part of Ticino roots for Lugano): 9'834
Average attendance: 3'657
Hockey is just an enormous thing other there.
Want another funny fact about Ambri?
Being in the shade of Pizzo Massari, the village does not see the sun fo months in winter.
What a strange plance
Alpine 06-02-2011, 10:43 AM the GB elite league seems to have dropped around 400 on average attendence. would it be fair to assume that 2 new teams being added to the league would have caused this?
I think only dropping 400 per game average in the economics of last season was a success
stv11 06-03-2011, 03:15 AM Ambri:1'036 hab, 3'657 average
Which gives us... 352% of inhabitants go to the games!
WTF?
More seriously, here are some impressive stats
The whole of the Leventine (Ambri's fan basin, 'cos the other part of Ticino roots for Lugano): 9'834
Average attendance: 3'657
Hockey is just an enormous thing other there.
Want another funny fact about Ambri?
Being in the shade of Pizzo Massari, the village does not see the sun fo months in winter.
What a strange plance
This is just not true, The entire Sopraceneri region (population 150'000), which includes Bellinzona and Locarno, supports Ambrì rather than Lugano.
Smiddletown 06-03-2011, 08:50 PM (Re: average attendance) The KHL has 23 teams. Other leagues have half the amount. If you take the top 12 KHL teams attendance only, the figures would be much higher.
:D "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."
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