An idea for a rule change (icing)

When the goalie is pulled icing becomes no touch icing. Whether the goalie is pulled or not is determined at the time that the puck leaves the opposing player's stick. How does this sound?

When the goalie is pulled icing becomes no touch icing. Whether the goalie is pulled or not is determined at the time that the puck leaves the opposing player's stick. How does this sound?This has already been laughed at on these here boards. I expect some "worst idea ever" replies below...

It's also a waste of time to write rules for such a limited situational scenario.

So losing teams would save an extra 3 seconds when the team doesn't dump the puck correctly. Not really that big of an issue.

Too many KIA's here at HF, no way anyone will give you credit for a good idea.

I don't understand the point of the change well enough for evaluation.

Is it to attempt to stop the leading team from dumping the puck? It would seem to artificially tip the balance of power toward the losing team in the final moments of a game, although in practice its effect would probably be negligible.

My opinion of this rule depends on if my team is winning or losing. But if I were watching a neutral game, I think I'd like it.

It's also a waste of time to write rules for such a limited situational scenario.

Except for there are at least two rules like that already:

1) If a player on the winning team has a breakaway while the other team has an empty net and a losing player hooks him, trips him, etc. then it's an automatic goal.

2) If a team pulls the goalie in overtime and the other team scores a goal on the empty net, then the losing team doesn't get the loser point.

I think it's an interesting idea, but I also think the current rule is fine.

I don't understand the point of the change well enough for evaluation.

Is it to attempt to stop the leading team from dumping the puck? It would seem to artificially tip the balance of power toward the losing team in the final moments of a game, although in practice its effect would probably be negligible.

Agreed. The winning team worked hard to build the lead for the previous 58 minutes, they've earned the right to protect it.

If icing rules need to be changed anywhere, it's in PK situations. I don't like how a penalized team gets an advantage by icing the puck at will. But that's a discussion for another thread :nod:

When the goalie is pulled icing becomes no touch icing. Whether the goalie is pulled or not is determined at the time that the puck leaves the opposing player's stick. How does this sound?

I am okay with no-touch icing in general, though I would have some time of offensive player positioning factor. But I do not like the part about changing the clock to the time that it left the stick, since it would add a determination process that would often result in a mini-timeout.

I don't like that idea too much but what I would like to see is maybe change it from three line icing to four line icing, meaning it wouldn't be icing from anywhere in the neutral zone. Most icings are done from the defensive zone anyway and most of the time I see an icing in between the center ice line and the blue line, I usually think it should be waived off. We actually play this way in one of the leagues I play in and it really helps keep the flow of the game going.

The only change I would like to see with icing, is for the league to get rid of the "attempted pass" wave off for "passes" from defending size of the neutral zone. I don't see why failing to catch the pass (IE: not being good enough) means it shouldn't be icing.

2) If a team pulls the goalie in overtime and the other team scores a goal on the empty net, then the losing team doesn't get the loser point.

Wow, I never knew this. I'm sure it happened though. You know when?

Wow, I never knew this. I'm sure it happened though. You know when?
Pittsburgh did it against Washington in 2004, but they scored.

Wow, I never knew this. I'm sure it happened though. You know when?Twice. Both in the first two years of the rule (1999-2001).

Except for there are at least two rules like that already:

1) If a player on the winning team has a breakaway while the other team has an empty net and a losing player hooks him, trips him, etc. then it's an automatic goal.

2) If a team pulls the goalie in overtime and the other team scores a goal on the empty net, then the losing team doesn't get the loser point.

I think it's an interesting idea, but I also think the current rule is fine.
Did not know that.

Did not know that.
It makes sense because otherwise they would rule a penalty shot on an empty net. Unless Stefan was pulled down, it would be a sure goal anyway.

I actually like the original idea.

It really adds excitement to the end of the game.

I also think that icing should be called on a shorthanded team if the other goalie is pulled. I hate the fact that teams actually get a tangible benefit (being able to shoot at an empty net from anywhere) if they get called for a penalty.

I actually like the original idea.

It really adds excitement to the end of the game.

I also think that icing should be called on a shorthanded team if the other goalie is pulled. I hate the fact that teams actually get a tangible benefit (being able to shoot at an empty net from anywhere) if they get called for a penalty.

Agreed on both points, and I like this idea that the OP has given. I think it would add something and maybe lead to some exciting finishes to hockey games. Isn't that what we want in hockey?

Props to the OP for a good idea:thumbu:

I actually like the original idea.

It really adds excitement to the end of the game.

I also think that icing should be called on a shorthanded team if the other goalie is pulled. I hate the fact that teams actually get a tangible benefit (being able to shoot at an empty net from anywhere) if they get called for a penalty.

Eh, teams don't have to pull their goalie when they're already on the powerplay. It's part of the risk involved when you're already playing with the man advantage, imo. I'm all for making the game more exciting, but it benefits the attacking team too much in this scenario iyam.

It's also a waste of time to write rules for such a limited situational scenario.

One team is usually up by a goal or two near the end of the regulation. The other team will always pull their goalie if that's the case, and the opposing team will often ice the puck at least once. I don't see this as a rare situation by any means, regardless of what you or anybody thinks of the change itself.

IMO, it should be no-touch full time.