TNA: TNA Impact/Xplosion thread [Archive]

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 02:53 AM

For people who think that TNA has always been bad, look at some of the old matches on Youtube.

This is definitely one of my favorite matches.
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This garbage that Hogan and Bischoff has done is simply pathetic. I remember watching TNA start to decline at the start of 2009, and I thought that Hogan/Bischoff would be able to do some good for the company, yet they go and **** it all up.
TNA was rocking right before Hogan took over, as far as match quality went. Their storylines were always sketchy, but their matches were of top quality.

I still enjoy the PPVs because, for the most part, you see very little of Hogan (usually at the start and during the main event) and Bischoff and you get to see a lot of decent wrestling. The card for the upcoming PPV looks good as well.

But I refuse to help TNA's ratings with the way they are treating their employees, especially a mainstay like Christopher Daniels.

Not to mention, watching Impact lets me enjoy the PPVs more because I just watch for the wrestling. The storylines make very little sense since Hogan took over. People are turning face and heel every week, the "shocking" moments are always cliche and predictable, they ignore the fans wishes and have said some questionable things about their beliefs, they leave mid-card/main eventers off TV without even the slightest bit of an explanation and then bring them back like they were never gone.

TNA went from like a 1998 like WCW to a 2001 like WCW pretty quickly. The only reason it's better than WCW in 2001 is because their roster is pretty deep, so even with dumb storylines and crappy writing, the wrestlers, for the most part, can still go.

All I know is that their commentary during an Ink Inc. match was all it should have been and more.

(Shannon Moore in the ring) "I think Hot Topic had a sale."

(Jesse Neal in the ring) "I hear the tribal tattoos are the next big thing."

:laugh:
Haha, they are awesome. They also did a guest commentary spot for a Knockouts match a few months ago, but it ended up being untelevised.

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 03:08 AM

LOL @ the booking.

I remember flipping by TNA and seeing Sarita backstage attacking Taylor Wilde (former Tag Champs). I keep up with the results, so I was just like.. whatttt?

Just watched an episode of Xplosion and realized that TNA had been building the heel turn of Sarita on AN NON-TELEVISED SHOW! :biglaugh: Pathetic.

Disappointing though. Their entrance was sexy as hell. ;)

Skip to 2:20, although what comes before is pretty alright too. :P
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Morozov

07-03-2010, 03:43 AM

Just watched an episode of Xplosion and realized that TNA had been building the heel turn of Sarita on AN NON-TELEVISED SHOW! :biglaugh: Pathetic.

Both TNA and WWE have had titles change hands on non televised shows I believe.

Would you think it better if they gave TV time to a Sarita heel turn? when they have much more important/interesting things that don't get enough TV time? yeah, no.

Things are starting to look up with the product, though they have virtually decimated the X-Division.

I think the angle they have going with the X Division at the moment is great, Kendrick and Williams have been able to get a good feud going rather than just everyone coming out and flip flip flip flip spin flip emotionless match finished. Heck the whole point of the angle is Williams trying to put a stop to the X Division as well all knew it and it's worked well.

Morozov

07-03-2010, 03:52 AM

I haven't watched in like 2 months.

Is Abyss still "Hulking up" with that "magical" ring? :laugh:

And are the matches still about 2 minutes in length?

No he isn't, but Cena still is with the "Cenation":laugh:

and the matches aren't 2 minutes and are still better than the matches in WWE.

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 04:29 AM

Both TNA and WWE have had titles change hands on non televised shows I believe.

Would you think it better if they gave TV time to a Sarita heel turn? when they have much more important/interesting things that don't get enough TV time? yeah, no.
Yes, but when WWE or TNA have had titles change hands on non-televised shows, they've told you about it when it happened. When Rob Terry won the Global Championship from Eric Young in the UK, they showed either a clip or some pictures, while the announcers talked about it on the next broadcast.

They could have easily given us a backstory or something to let us know there was tension there. The segment on Xpolsion was all of 30 seconds long (and a slight argument between the two after Sarita lost to Daffney).

People aren't going to care about stuff if you just make it happen out of the blue. It's not surprising because neither girl has been on TV in weeks. Why even put the heel turn on Impact - as not only does it not make sense to the casual fan, but who the hell is going to know who they are when they show up on TV a total of 2 or 3 times since Hogan arrived?

The best part is, now that Sarita turned heel we probably won't see her or Taylor Wilde for 2-3 weeks. And then, Sarita will probably turn face 2-3 weeks later to battle Madison Rayne or something silly.

And I'd agree with your second point if the show actually had interesting things going on. I'd be 10x more interested in an angle involving Sarita and Taylor Wilde, than watching Abyss turn into Hulk Hogan.

Wolfe is a main eventer and now he's losing to Brian Kendrick, who can't even beat Doug Williams with multiple chances. and Doug Williams loses to one of the damn Young Bucks next week
The Motor City Machineguns are face, then heel, and now appear to be face again. And have been the #1 contenders for the Tag Team Titles for months, yet I think they've been on Impact all of 4 times since they won that match against Generation Me. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Matt Morgan and Hernandez appear every few weeks, same with Beer Money.

The only guys, who you will see each and every week are AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, Abyss, Desmond Wolfe (as a jobber) and Mr. Anderson. Oh and course Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff who are oh so important to storylines who usually eat up 4-5 segments per show. Awesome. :shakehead

I'm the biggest TNA mark there is. I own every DVD they've released up to 2010. Since then, I've watched the PPVs and they've been okay (from a wrestling standpoint - terrible booking, etc), but where are the matches like Daniels vs Styles? Oh that's right, they got rid of Daniels after jobbing him out to Val freaking Venis.

Morozov

07-03-2010, 04:49 AM

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 05:18 AM

It's Sarita, who ****ing cares, she's amongst the least important people in the company. People aren't going to care regardless of what you do.

The show does have interesting things going on, you don't even watch it you just read spoilers so /yawn.

You are wrong, MCMG haven't been flipping face/heel over and over and over at all. I'd love you to point me to the last time they cut a heel promo?

"Matt Morgan and Hernandez appear every few weeks, same with Beer Money.

The only guys, who you will see each and every week are AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, Abyss, Desmond Wolfe (as a jobber) and Mr. Anderson. Oh and course Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff who are oh so important to storylines who usually eat up 4-5 segments per show. Awesome. "

Hernandez was on TV like all the time until he got written off TV to go to Mexico and since he has come back he has been on TV all the time.

Morgan is on TV basically every week.

BMI are on TV basically every week.

Spare me your rubbish that you are the biggest TNA mark when you don't even watch it anymore and spout out false things like the above. Oh no, they didn't develop a weak story in the knockouts division properly, maybe they could learn a few things from WWE's womens divisions, oh wait, TNA is much, much, much, much better when it comes to womens wrestling than WWE. Maybe they should have an extreme makeover match to sort it out.
Exactly, TNA is much better as far as womens wrestling is concerned in comparison to the WWE. A year or so ago, people cared about the Knockouts division. Hell, the knockouts had a freaking Steel Cage match on PPV - that's something unheard of by modern american wrestling. Why not make us care about the division instead of giving Hulk Hogan or Bischoff 4-5 segments per show.

To be fair, the WWE Womens Division (at least on Smackdown) does at least build to their title matches. They only give them like 2 minutes per show (even at the PPVs), but they still at least let you know theres something there.

And if Sarita is unimportant, leave her off the damn show. It's retarded to just have people show up for a few weeks, start a storyline, and disappear. Even if they have a blowoff match in the next week or two, its not good TV because it wasn't built correctly. If they don't plan to build something correctly, why even waste the minute of TV time to do it?

I was going a bit overboard about the guys featured on the shows, which I thought was pretty obvious. Obviously Matt Morgan is on TV, but the guy hasn't wrestled in how long? Whose going to want to watch a PPV mach with a guy that hasn't wrestled on television in what seems like a month (that isn't returning from a long layoff or something of the nature). I think the last time Morgan wrestled was the PPV against Hernandez.

I didn't know Hernandez went to Mexico, my bad. What was that about?

MCMG were clearly the heels when they had their mini feud with Generation Me. They tagged with the heel on Impact and cut a few promos that were heelish. Then as soon as they win the #1 contendership, they come out and play faces again by accepting a #1 contenders match with Team 3D .. that wasn't even on television! Before that they were face and they seem to clearly be face again now. So in the span of like 6 weeks, they were face, heel, and face again.

I don't *just* read the spoilers. I read the results after and sometimes, if I'm up to it, I check out the things that seem to be worth my time (like the Wolfe/Angle match). And don't worry, the storylines are so generic that all you need to really do is watch the PPV because its so predictable. Like how predictable was the Chelsea/Abyss/Wolfe thing? My goodness.

As for Beer Money, I guess I just hold my titles to a higher regard than you. They are fighting for Tag Team Title straps in a week yet they don't even show up on Impact. Something as simple as meeting MCMG at the top of the ramp after their win would suffice. Or guest commentary. Or even a quick clip showing the two of them watching the match backstage. Instead, they aren't even on the show and the match gets no build.

Who has been elevated since Hogan came in? Seriously?

Abyss is back to being a Main Eventer, sure. But is kind of like Kane in that regard and was ready to Main Event whenever because he's a freak of nature.

Madison Rayne .. maybe? She's winning, but she's just as featured as she was before.

Morgan, Hernandez, Pope.. somewhat. Him and Hernandez were both starting to become featured guys even before Hogan came in. Pope was getting mega over before Hogan.

Desmond Wolfe has been turned into a joke. Eric Young is the Global Champion, yet doesn't show up for a month (other than to welcome Flair) loses his title and then does the predictable turn. Mr. Anderson, probably the most fun heel the company, becomes a babyface.

The heel roster is depeleted. AJ Styles is a joke now. He's got like 1 or 2 clean wins since Flair came in. Kazarian is a heel now, but he'll probably be a face again shortly as I think he'll fight Styles at the PPV.

People are just turning far too much and there doesn't seem to be any direction at all, except for the main event (and the X-Division thing with Williams, which I love).

Like I said before, I watch every TNA PPV and they are usually good because they have a good group of wrestlers. I think I got one match wrong on the last PPV though (predicted Roxxi to win) and that needs to change for the show to be interesting. If they can do that, I may watch Impact again, especially if the rumours of Daniels returning are true.

PS. The ratings have spiraled downwards since Hogan and Bischoff came in with the exception of the first, I believe, two shows. They can't even hit the 1.0 mark anymore when before they came in, the show consistently was in the 1.1-1.3 range.

PPS. I did watch Impact until about mid-March. So it's not like I didn't watch it at all. The show never really featured matches, even pre-Hogan, so don't give me that. Rarely do matches go longer than 7-10 minutes - which is why I watch the PPVs because they get the time to try to tell a story in the ring. Things just got to clustered with the lack of direction, IMO. You don't have to share the same opinion, it's mine and mine only. But it's how I feel about the current product.

EDIT: I saw the Wolfe thing - I watched his Impact match. He lost to Brian freaking Kendrick (who I even like, but Wolfe has Main Event status written all over him). But yeah, losing to Brian Kendrick, CLEAN, isn't jobbing out?

Morozov

07-03-2010, 05:33 AM

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 05:50 AM

It's a womens tag team wrestler, who freakin cares.

If you actually watched the show, you would know that Morgan has been skipping out of matches with a a fake neck injury and interfering with Hernandez etc, thus why they are fighting in a cage at Victory Road, and if you think people don't care about watching him fight then it's all the more reason why reading results isn't sufficient, he generates as much heat as pretty much anyone.

He just went to Mexico to wrestle down there, so he was written off TNA as being injured by Morgan.

MCMG can't be true heels now, they are way too loved by the TNA audience.

You just watch the PPV and miss out the good matches on Impact.

Dude BMI are on TV like every week and are part of the stable Flair is building so even when they aren't having matches they are often on the show multiple times throughout the night in promo's, backstage segments etc don't give me any rubbish about how you hold the tag titles in higher regard than me lol, I hold them in high enough regard that I actually watch the tag matches on Impact.

Who has been elevated? Morgan, Kendrick, Williams, Ink Inc, Lethal, Kaz, Abyss, Pope and Anderson has elevated from when he first appeared although he was obviously already more than over to begin with. BMI's been elevated as well with the heel turn.

Wolfe is hardly a joke, oh no he doesn't win he must be a joke, yeah no. Actually watch and you would see what I'm talking about, he's still treated with huge respect during his matches, he still gets good matches, he still gets air time, he's aligned with the most powerful faction in the company.

Anderson's face turn was pretty much fan dictated much like Orton's. When he had his match with Hardy he out popped Hardy while cutting a heel promo on him, when you out pop Hardy, the fans obviously like the guy.

and now you are calling AJ a joke lol? christ. 1 or 2 clean wins since Flair came in, wow no kidding, are you new? do you know who Flair is? he isn't called the "cleanest player in the game", he went heel and stopped winning clean, that's how things work. I guess Jericho is a joke as well since he almost never wins clean and is always putting people over who are far below him.

The heel roster isn't depleted, Morgan, Sting, Flair, Abyss, AJ, Wolfe, BMI, Kaz.

I know what the ratings are like, it's all been discussed many times. Again, actually watch the shows before you comment because lots of what you say is incorrect.
A lot of what I say is incorrect? Oh no, watch out I missed that Morgan was missing time with a neck injury and that Hernandez had been kayfabed injured. I am actually dumb, because now that I think I remember seeing Morgan wrestle this week. My bad there.

Hogan has been around for 6 months. Let's look at the wrestlers, in 6-months, who have been turned AT LEAST once (excluding guys like AJ Styles who were turn immediately).

Kazarian.
Samoa Joe.
Chris Sabin.
Alex Shelley.
Mr. Anderson.
Abyss.
Sarita.
Eric Young.
Rob Terry.

There's probably more I'm forgetting, but thats still a pretty long list for 6 months.

I think Hogan soured me straight way. World Elite was written out without a deparature. Just gone. But they gave a ******** of TV Time to Bobby Lashley who was leaving the damn company.

And what I meant with the whole Styles thing is that he never picks up clean wins (makes him look really weak, not to mention stupid because he rarely lost beforehand) but he rarely wins at all. I also thought it was poor booking from the start since Styles had already been the champion for months and there were no signs of him slowing down.

And Wolfe isn't going to be able to slip into the main events much longer if he keeps losing - especially losing clean to guys like Brian Kendrick.

As far as Mr. Anderson goes, TNA crowds have always popped for heels. They've always been more of the "smark" type crowd.

And how is Fortune the most powerful faction in the company --- It'd give that to the Beautiful People. Not only do the Beautiful People actually hold championships, but they actually win the majority of their matches. Who wins on a regular basis in Fortune besides Beer Money?

The ratings obviously show that I'm not the only frustrated fan with the way Hogan and Bischoff are running things. I admit, they've had some clever ideas and brought in some really good talent. But at the same time, they've, IMO, made many more poor decisions than good ones and the show was suffering in a huge way. A way that made me go from "Never miss an episode -to- Catch it when you can -to- read the results and watch what would be good (ie: Wolfe/Angle, Styles/Joe, etc)."

Morozov

07-03-2010, 06:02 AM

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 06:17 AM

Yeah that was incorrect, along with the other stuff I pointed out.

Kaz has only benefited from his turn.
Joe hardly turned, he was a tweener and he still is.
MCMG again hardly turned, they are too over to turn.
Anderson, like I said and like you would have saw because it was on PPV I think? was turned by the crowd not by Hogan and co.
Abyss turned and pretty much every TNA fan was begging for it. The whole thing was obviously a transition gimmick and he's almost definitely going to be better off now (not that it would take much to be better off than ABBYSSAAAMMMAAAANNNIIIAAA BROOOOTTTTHHHEEEERRRRR)
Sarita, who cares
EY, went from World Elite to being face briefly to being in the NWO. I don't really see the issue with that? part of that change was due to the circumstances of the angle where he got screwed over by Nash so people felt sorry for him. He's come out worse off from his move than the others, but at the same time he got aligned with one of the more important groups in wrestling history and who knows how that may have ended up if Syxx and Hall weren't losers.

So what exactly is the problem here? which of these turns would you turn back around if you could as a TNA mark? without mentioning MCMG because it's a waste of time, these heel flip flops with them you speak of really were nothing. I'm guessing you would have liked EY to just stay heel the whole time, fair enough I'd agree with you, but I'm curious which other ones you think are bad?
I didn't say they were bad, I just think that too much changes from week to week. I also think they have too many guys who are just "there," so to speak. Guys they can use as heels one week and faces the next. I believe more of a face/heel demographic. I don't mind the odd neutral match, but I hate seeing guys who either 1) have a really weak character or 2) just have no direction and are just there to wrestle.

Kaz was a good turn, as far as I can tell to this point.

Joe is one of the few that can make a neutral gimmick work, but he needs to be more ruthless. Of course, I admit I haven't seen much of him because him disappearing for what seemed like months after doing some weak jobs was part of the reason I stopped watching.

MCMG was just stupid. Trying to make them heel was retarded. I just didn't like the fact that they tried to make them heel - had them do face things - and then gave up and let them be faces. If you want guys to be heel, you need to go all in.

Abyss could have been a monster from the start. Turning him is fine, but turning him into what they did I felt was a joke.

EY, I only hated because they way World Elite just disappeared. Months and months and months of storytelling down the tube without even an explanation. Could have easily given that Bobby Lashley TV time to them to split up or something.

Sarita, like I said before I wouldn't care IF they just went all in or all out. If you're going to have the turn on Impact, give us the reasons why. They could have easily just done everything on Xplosion and if they ever felt like using her again - they could have just repackaged her. Of course, European fans aren't so confused because they get to watch Xplosion. Luckily for us, Xplosion will be on TV here soon.

Anderson would still be more entertaining as a heel. His gimmick sucks for a face, IMO and he's going to lose a lot of his charm. TNA has had a lot of over heels before. Daniels, for example.

I'll admit I'm a bit sour too because of the all the TV time that Hogan and Bischoff give themselves. I honestly watched for 15-20 minutes this week, and I saw Hogan once, Bischoff twice, and Dixie Carter twice. I don't mind the authority figure gimmicks, but two of them is a little much for one TV show (let alone 3), but not only is it overkill, but they seem to be on my TV screen more than the wrestlers I want to see.

Just reminds me a lot of the old WCW, after the good years. When Hogan would just cut promos because he's the most over guy in the company, but what he's saying is the same stale **** over and over and over.

Morozov

07-03-2010, 06:34 AM

When Hogan and E came in, they made no secrets that there were going to be a lot of changes so this isn't really surprising that they made a bunch of heel/face changes to get the roster to where they wanted it to be. They said it was pretty much going to be a clean slate. Part of who TNA was aimed at was wrestling fans who can enjoy matches between guys who are just there to wrestle.

There's not really much to see of Joe, he just comes out, kicks people, muscle busters them then leaves lol he is pretty ruthless at the moment.

Abyss's character was completely ruined, at least as bad as the whole Hogan thing was, it entrenched him in the main event picture by association and like him or not that's obviously where they want him. In the end they have gotten to where they need to be with him, destructive heel monster, I don't think anybody will disagree that what we went through to get to this point sucked, but I also don't think anyone can disagree that they got where they need to be in the end.

The thing is with Anderson, he went face because he is so entertaining as a heel, he was being a heel, he was ripping on and feuding with Jeff Hardy, about as popular as it gets, and he was just too entertaining for people to not get behind him. It's hard for you to say his gimmick sucks for a face when he's only a face because the fans got behind his gimmick so much. He's not particularly any different between now and when he was heel except he doesn't cheap shot and he plays off the crowd in his promos. Even when he was ripping on the Pope he was starting to get people rallying behind him. If TNA wanted to have him heel, they would pretty much have to make him stop talking at this point, he could probably cut a promo dissing RVD and still get mass support.

They went through a stretch when Hogan was off TV for a bit, he's going for surgery again I think so that should happen again. Tbh he really isn't on TV anywhere near as much as he was when he first came to TNA and I can't remember the last time he actually knocked one of the wrestlers out (which is by far my most hated thing about Hogan in TNA, having to watch him knock over the in ring talent with a couple of clotheslines but you want us to believe they are world champions etc) he's had to be on the last few eps a bit more because of the Abyss turn. You won't get any disagreement from me that Hogan needs to shut the **** up lol RVD doesn't need him coming out saying his catchphrases. As long as he isn't coming out knocking the wrestlers out though I can tolerate him at least.

Patty Ice

07-03-2010, 12:14 PM

You are wrong, MCMG haven't been flipping face/heel over and over and over at all. I'd love you to point me to the last time they cut a heel promo?

You're always calling people so I'll throw it back at you. do you even watch it? As I mentioned in my earlier post, MCMG were running down Ink Inc. (who are faces as evident by the Neal chants :barf: and cheap pops from the Hot Topic crowd aka Hardy fans). That's a pretty heelish promo to cut as the MCMG themselves like to portray themselves in the tweener role.

I watch TNA every week (even after reading the spoilers) and while they have some tremendous talent (I'm looking at you in particular Lethal), it amazes how they are able to put on a ****** program due to the over-saturation of retreads like Hardy, fossils like Sting and Hogan, and homegrown stiffs like Abyss. I want to see MCMG in action and not Sting vs Jeff ****in Jarrett for the 5th week in a row. I don't need to see Bischoff and Hogan cut 3-5 promos each week at the expense giving Desmond Wolfe proper air time without arguing with his "girlfriend" as he gets yet another week of "standing in the ring" entrance. And make ****in' Samoa Joe relevant again instead of pushing the **** out of that fakeass Mankind/Kane hybrid Abyss...no one cares.

You can defend TNA til your face turns blue but they spend more time giving us their WWE rejects since Hogan has come on board. The X division title will probably fade into memory after they put the belt on a midget. The Knockout division use to be a point of pride with TNA that boasted a different array of characters. Now it consists of 4 big-titty blondes...we get Hulk...you are in love with your daughter. The only thing they have done right recently, in my eyes, is Lethal program with Flair. Those two together are golden.

I'll save your breath that WWE is ****** too but it's not TNA ******. But ****** wrestling is still wrestling so I'll take what I can get...and DVR helps when Sting and Jarret or MVP and Chavo Guerrero are on the screen together.

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 12:46 PM

You're always calling people so I'll throw it back at you. do you even watch it? As I mentioned in my earlier post, MCMG were running down Ink Inc. (who are faces as evident by the Neal chants :barf: and cheap pops from the Hot Topic crowd aka Hardy fans). That's a pretty heelish promo to cut as the MCMG themselves like to portray themselves in the tweener role.

I watch TNA every week (even after reading the spoilers) and while they have some tremendous talent (I'm looking at you in particular Lethal), it amazes how they are able to put on a ****** program due to the over-saturation of retreads like Hardy, fossils like Sting and Hogan, and homegrown stiffs like Abyss. I want to see MCMG in action and not Sting vs Jeff ****in Jarrett for the 5th week in a row. I don't need to see Bischoff and Hogan cut 3-5 promos each week at the expense giving Desmond Wolfe proper air time without arguing with his "girlfriend" as he gets yet another week of "standing in the ring" entrance. And make ****in' Samoa Joe relevant again instead of pushing the **** out of that fakeass Mankind/Kane hybrid Abyss...no one cares.

You can defend TNA til your face turns blue but they spend more time giving us their WWE rejects since Hogan has come on board. The X division title will probably fade into memory after they put the belt on a midget. The Knockout division use to be a point of pride with TNA that boasted a different array of characters. Now it consists of 4 big-titty blondes...we get Hulk...you are in love with your daughter. The only thing they have done right recently, in my eyes, is Lethal program with Flair. Those two together are golden.

I'll save your breath that WWE is ****** too but it's not TNA ******. But ****** wrestling is still wrestling so I'll take what I can get...and DVR helps when Sting and Jarret or MVP and Chavo Guerrero are on the screen together.
With proper time, I'm sure MVP and Chavo could had a decent match. Not that it would mean much in the long run but Chavo is a great wrestler and MVP is passable.

I also don't mind Abyss as a monster. He's been around for a long, long time and I'm okay with that so long as he's just that. A monster. The last 6-months were laughable (well the 4 months I watched plus the odd segment in the last few weeks) because its still hard to even buy Abyss as a monster when he was just this dumbass coming out to some Hulk Hogan theme song with a mightly, powerful ring.

The X-Division, I also disagree with. Williams is a great champion and I really like the gimmick he's got going on. At the same time, TNA has screwed up a few times here as I can't even follow who he's feuding with from week to week. It seemed like he was starting a program with Shannon Moore with what happened at the PPV a few months back - and they continued after the PPV - but then Moore just went off into his tag-team stuff with Jesse Neal. Also Doug Williams feuding with Shannon Moore and Brian Kendrick (two of the most grounded X-Division wrestlers) makes little sense to get the point across that they are trying too.

I forgot about the "already in the ring" entrances that Wolfe has been getting recently. He won their first poll online when it was just the fans who picked yet he jobs pretty regularly. Think of what this guy could do for your company if you actually pushed him. I also think its kind of pathetic that TNA made a new stable with him in it, yet he's losing cleanly to X-Division wrestlers.

The promos MCMG are cutting now are quite a bit less heelish than the promos that they cut around the time they breifly feuded with Generation Me. But still, like quite a bit of the roster, you can't really tell where they stand from week to week because it changes depending on who they are wrestling.

The Knockouts division is pretty weak right now yet they still have some good talent. Taylor Wilde & Sarita are both great wrestlers. Madison Rayne and Velvet Sky have improved so much in the past year. Hamada is great but unused. Angelina Love and Daffney are both passable in the ring. They've took a big hit with the losses of ODB, Awesome Kong, Tara, Roxxi, and Cheerleader Melissa - but still have a division which is more than capable.

From the website, Rob Terry is (pushed as) the secondary champion yet the screen time he seems to get is minimal. It was minimal when I was watching and I hope its changed for the better recently. Pretty brutal to build you're secondary champion on Xplosion.

Also, when you go to the website the first guy you see is Hulk Hogan. Seriously?

I also miss Shark Boy. :(

Patty Ice

07-03-2010, 01:54 PM

The X-Division, I also disagree with. Williams is a great champion and I really like the gimmick he's got going on.

My comment about the X-Division was not a slam on it or Doug Williams (I actual enjoy Williams a bit) but rather its use, or lack thereof. It is becoming irrelevant and an afterthought in the wake of Hogan and his army of WWE retreads.

What I was trying to convey that I can see the X Division going the way of the Cruiserweights in the WWE...fading unceremoniously into the sunset on the back of a midget (or some other gimmick).

Regarding the Knockouts, they have talent there for sure but only 4 get regular airtime and they all fit one mold.

WalterSobchak

07-03-2010, 01:58 PM

Both TNA and WWE have had titles change hands on non televised shows I believe.

Would you think it better if they gave TV time to a Sarita heel turn? when they have much more important/interesting things that don't get enough TV time? yeah, no.

I think the angle they have going with the X Division at the moment is great, Kendrick and Williams have been able to get a good feud going rather than just everyone coming out and flip flip flip flip spin flip emotionless match finished. Heck the whole point of the angle is Williams trying to put a stop to the X Division as well all knew it and it's worked well.

I have really started to like Doug Williams, he gets great heat but he's not over the top. I never realized what a great wrestler he was. I just hate hate HATE Kendrick. No personality, no good heat simply another Hogan/Bischoff push that makes no sense.

I hate Amazing Red, the dude is athletic as hell but no charisma. Put Daniels in a fued with Williams and I am invested. Split up Shelley and Saban and put them against Williams or against each other, I don't care. I don't care about the spot monkeys but the X-Division used to be the highlight of a show/PPV and lately it feels like the writers are purposefully watering it down with meaningless pushes. I'm surprised OJ isn't fueding with Williams right now and winning the title at the next PPV.

My comment about the X-Division was not a slam on it or Doug Williams (I actual enjoy Williams a bit) but rather its use, or lack thereof. It is becoming irrelevant and an afterthought in the wake of Hogan and his army of WWE retreads.

What I was trying to convey that I can see the X Division going the way of the Cruiserweights in the WWE...fading unceremoniously into the sunset on the back of a midget (or some other gimmick).

Exactly. Hogan can't handle the X-Division being more important to the fans than the world title. What was once the two best things about TNA is now watered down fodder.

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 03:44 PM

I have really started to like Doug Williams, he gets great heat but he's not over the top. I never realized what a great wrestler he was. I just hate hate HATE Kendrick. No personality, no good heat simply another Hogan/Bischoff push that makes no sense.

I hate Amazing Red, the dude is athletic as hell but no charisma. Put Daniels in a fued with Williams and I am invested. Split up Shelley and Saban and put them against Williams or against each other, I don't care. I don't care about the spot monkeys but the X-Division used to be the highlight of a show/PPV and lately it feels like the writers are purposefully watering it down with meaningless pushes. I'm surprised OJ isn't fueding with Williams right now and winning the title at the next PPV.
I thought the Doug Williams stuff was making the title, somewhat, important again. Still not at the level it needs to be, but he's working hard. Theres another hole in the writing - where the hell is Brutus Magnus (yes, he shows up on Xplosion) but he was with Doug Williams at the start of the title reign and then just disappeared. No explanation or anything.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Brian Kendrick as a singles wrestler - because he's got no gimmick. He's not good enough to be one of those guys without a solid gimmick. I would actually love for TNA to sign Paul London and recreate the Hooliganz. The Hooliganz vs MCMG or Generation Me would be just awesome. I used to think TNA had a really great Tag Team Division, although in the last 6 months or so we've seen that go downhill as well. I don't even care if there are more jobber Tag Teams like Generation Me - so long as their is a solid division.

Amazing Red is pretty blah - probably my list favourite on the roster. He's a spot monkey (who messes up quite a bit) with no direction. I think Red was most enjoyable when he had Don West with him. But oh, look, another hole in the story after Hogan came in --- he just left. No explanation again.

Since Hogan has came in, the X-Division is basically; Amazing Red, Brian Kendrick, Doug Williams and Shannon Moore. Red has basically disappeared and Moore has moved onto Tag Team competition.

The Tag Team division is a little better, but there is just so much come and go crap. The Nasty Boys? Really? I'm glad they are gone.

Either way, the TNA roster is far too large to keep everyone even semi-involved with a 2-hour show.

canucksfan

07-03-2010, 04:59 PM

Hawkguy

07-03-2010, 05:06 PM

Since Hulk arrived with TNA were their ratings better before or after he arrived? I haven't watched or really followed TNA in months. Also what time is it on in Canada. Now that my summer semester is over I might have time to watch it. So far my favourite TNA memory is the cage that no one could get out of!
Only Homicide was supposed to escape the cage. He did it a few times during the day too. :laugh:

It's on from 9PM-11PM on Thursday nights on Spike TV. They are adding a 1-hour "secondary" show from 8PM-9PM on the same night called Xplosion (which already airs in Europe).

The ratings are worse now then before Hulk came in. The first, I believe, two ratings with Hogan were as good or better than previous ratings. Since then, it's been a disaster. I think they've dipped down around 0.6 and are now back up to the 0.9 range. Before Hogan, they were consistently doing 1.1-1.3's.

Morozov

07-03-2010, 08:29 PM

Morozov

07-03-2010, 08:34 PM

My comment about the X-Division was not a slam on it or Doug Williams (I actual enjoy Williams a bit) but rather its use, or lack thereof. It is becoming irrelevant and an afterthought in the wake of Hogan and his army of WWE retreads.

What I was trying to convey that I can see the X Division going the way of the Cruiserweights in the WWE...fading unceremoniously into the sunset on the back of a midget (or some other gimmick).

Regarding the Knockouts, they have talent there for sure but only 4 get regular airtime and they all fit one mold.

I don't see how the X Division is becoming irrelevant? it looked like it may be heading that direction for awhile but Williams has made it completely relevant. Now we actually get the X Division champ getting significant promo's and the crowd are actually emotionally invested in who wins. They are making the effort to try book the X Division champion well so I don't see how it is a?

Habsfan18

07-08-2010, 09:06 PM

Man, he's letting himself go. :laugh:

http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/images/galleries/jeffhardygetsfat/1.jpg

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

07-08-2010, 09:08 PM

Livin' life before he goes to jail.

Chileiceman

07-08-2010, 09:24 PM

That MCMG vignette was gold

les Habs

07-08-2010, 09:30 PM

Man, Hernandez can be so fun to watch. Best shoulder block ever.

Chileiceman

07-08-2010, 09:41 PM

Flair is frickin crazy. TNA is a lot edgier than WWE.

Wow that was some promo. I legitimate hate Ric Flair now.

Morozov

07-09-2010, 03:53 AM

no Hogan episode ftw

Hawkguy

07-09-2010, 07:05 AM

I'll admit, great show tonight.

Funny how that happens when Hogan + Bischoff don't show up to the tapings!

Patty Ice

07-09-2010, 10:56 AM

I'll admit, great show tonight.

Funny how that happens when Hogan + Bischoff don't show up to the tapings!

Yea, I realized towards the end that I didn't have to fast forward through any non-commercial parts. Even the one scene with Hogan was tight because Nash put him on blast for the Nasty Boys.

Habsfan18

07-09-2010, 11:39 AM

Haven't watched TNA in quite awhile, but I admit that I was pleasantly surprised last night. Was actually a solid show.

Prussian_Blue

07-10-2010, 09:15 PM

I'll admit, great show tonight.

Funny how that happens when Hogan + Bischoff don't show up to the tapings!

Any show where Hogan and Bischoff don't show up, is a good one...

WalterSobchak

07-10-2010, 10:18 PM

Swedish Puck Mafia

07-10-2010, 11:39 PM

One rant, I gotta say watching Angelina Love toss Daphne around like a ragdoll just highlights how bad its gotten. There was a time the Knockouts blew both of WWE's womens titles out of the water but these days WWE's women workers are starting to outshine TNA's.

PS. Madison Rayne should never be the champion of anything. Ever.

Look at the women wrestlers they have now. No Tara, no ODB, no Kong (if she's still there, she isn't in any storylines). Those were the top of the women wrestlers, but now they have the prissy girls like Madison Rayne and Angelina Love "wrestling" for the title.

WalterSobchak

07-11-2010, 12:53 AM

Look at the women wrestlers they have now. No Tara, no ODB, no Kong (if she's still there, she isn't in any storylines). Those were the top of the women wrestlers, but now they have the prissy girls like Madison Rayne and Angelina Love "wrestling" for the title.

Angelina can at least go. Kong is gone, don't know where ODB went.

Finished watching the episode, the 3 man tag was really solid too. if MCMG don't win tomorrow night its a huge mistake.

Morozov

07-11-2010, 04:26 AM

Rayne has been fine as knockouts champion. The knockouts are still far superior to the WWE divas.

Hawkguy

07-11-2010, 06:59 AM

I have it on PVR at home and haven't finished, hate working the weekends. So far a solid Styles vs Kazarian and a ****ing fantastic RVD(who I generally dislike) vs Joe match.

I hope they iron out the storylines because I still think TNA has the workers to challenge WWE in ratings.

One rant, I gotta say watching Angelina Love toss Daphne around like a ragdoll just highlights how bad its gotten. There was a time the Knockouts blew both of WWE's womens titles out of the water but these days WWE's women workers are starting to outshine TNA's.

PS. Madison Rayne should never be the champion of anything. Ever.
Madison Rayne has improved quite a bit from when she first came to TNA. Actually, Velvet Sky is pretty darn decent now as well. Both of them, IMO, are better than Angelina Love.

As it stands, the best three are quite easily Wilde, Sarita, and Hamada. Sky, Love, Rayne, and Daffney are all decent when given time.

Habsfan18

07-11-2010, 09:02 PM

Watching Victory Road, this MCMG vs Beer Money match is ****ing awesome.

WalterSobchak

07-11-2010, 09:18 PM

Watching Victory Road, this MCMG vs Beer Money match is ****ing awesome.

I hate working on Sundays. but I read that the right team won. All is better in the world tonight.
:yo:

Swedish Puck Mafia

07-11-2010, 09:51 PM

I thought there was supposed to be a surprise tonight?

Habsfan18

07-11-2010, 09:55 PM

I thought there was supposed to be a surprise tonight?

Well, Jeff Jarrett hinted that there would be "huge news." But I don't believe that he ever mentioned anything about a surprise.

It likely has something to do with TNA planning more TV tapings in other venues, or something like that.

WalterSobchak

07-11-2010, 10:39 PM

2 rumours that I am sure they were hoping would be able to be revealed tonight, but still haven't finalized:

-TNA wants Paul Heyman to come in but he only wants in if he has complete creative control.
-Dixie has teased talking with someone about coming in, Jarrett twitter-hinted with 3 pictures. A picture of a jetplane wing. A picture of a spotlight. A picture of a coastline, beach and island in the distance.

Some have surmized these 3 images are
J, for jet
B, for beach
L, for light

Hawkguy

07-12-2010, 12:39 AM

Decent PPV.

MCMG/Beer Money was amazing.
Angle/Pope was really good.
Flair/Lethal was damn good when you consider who was involved.
The Ultimate X was good though not spotty if thats what you looking for.
The Styles/Kaz vs ??? was pretty good.

The 4-way Main Event was okay.

Hernandez/Morgan was okay but a few botches KILLED it for me.
Rayne/Love was okay, but the finish was retarded.
Team3D/Neal was beyond bad.

Morozov

07-12-2010, 08:25 AM

F0rsbergFan21

07-12-2010, 11:57 AM

i just watched the PPV.

can't say any of the matches left a lasting impression.

i have always been an RVD fan, but i don't like this run as champ. he seems forced on the mic and just has no delivery. love him in the ring but out of the ring he is just terrible, imo.

i think they need to get the belt on Mr. Anderson asap. let him rip and run. he can get over vs heels and faces and be that tweener champ some love and some hate. plus he is the best on the mic that TNA has, again, imo.

TNA is blessed with talent right now, i would love to see them use it all better.

WalterSobchak

07-12-2010, 05:29 PM

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/49064/-a-familiar-face-at-this-weeks-impact-tapings-latest-on-tna-status-of-hogan-heyman-and-bischoff.html?p=1

As I discussed on my Victory Road PPV Post-Game show last night, Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff were not at the PPV. Bischoff claimed publicly he had taken the time off, although the word making the rounds in some circles backstage last night was that he purposely "stayed home to make a point to Dixie Carter" in regard to potential plans to bring Paul Heyman in. There are some who believe Hogan may be using the back surgery to distance himself from TNA if and when Heyman comes in as well. I don't believe they are contracted past the end of the year. Neither are at Impact today.

This brings us to Heyman and TNA. I have absolutely had sources tell me in the last 24 hours that Heyman will be coming in full force and overseeing a complete makeover of the company roster and TNA's front office. However, all sides are still claiming that nothing has been put to paper.

All I can say is...bring it on!

Hawkguy

07-12-2010, 06:08 PM

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Motor City! Motor City!

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/49064/-a-familiar-face-at-this-weeks-impact-tapings-latest-on-tna-status-of-hogan-heyman-and-bischoff.html?p=1

As I discussed on my Victory Road PPV Post-Game show last night, Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff were not at the PPV. Bischoff claimed publicly he had taken the time off, although the word making the rounds in some circles backstage last night was that he purposely "stayed home to make a point to Dixie Carter" in regard to potential plans to bring Paul Heyman in. There are some who believe Hogan may be using the back surgery to distance himself from TNA if and when Heyman comes in as well. I don't believe they are contracted past the end of the year. Neither are at Impact today.

This brings us to Heyman and TNA. I have absolutely had sources tell me in the last 24 hours that Heyman will be coming in full force and overseeing a complete makeover of the company roster and TNA's front office. However, all sides are still claiming that nothing has been put to paper.

All I can say is...bring it on!
Amen.

It's pretty clear how good the last two shows have been without Hogan & Bischoff there.

Hawkguy

07-15-2010, 08:07 PM

That was a pretty awesome opening promo from Abyss. Dark, disgusting, and fun.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

07-15-2010, 08:11 PM

What's the point in introducing a weapon that could never be used?

Hawkguy

07-15-2010, 08:18 PM

It's Sarita, who ****ing cares, she's amongst the least important people in the company. People aren't going to care regardless of what you do.

... This is why I do. Absolutely awesome street fight between these two ladies. I love Taylor Wilde and Sarita.

What's the point in introducing a weapon that could never be used?
This isn't WWE, it will be used. Abyss will take it across his back, no worries about that.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

07-15-2010, 08:21 PM

But he's obviously never gonna hit RVD with it, so where's the threat.

Hawkguy

07-15-2010, 08:24 PM

But he's obviously never gonna hit RVD with it, so where's the threat.
I wouldn't say obviously. You never know - wrestlers have surprised me in the past taking bumps.

Either way, the weapon will likely be used at some point.

-- This is the thing I hate about TNA though, they give everything away on free television. I Quit matches, Street Fights, Ladder matches, etc. They are exactly the type of company that should be BUILDING for these matches at PPVs.

EDIT: The MCMG/Beer Money match from Impact was AMAZING. Wow!!

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

07-15-2010, 10:18 PM

Nice to see D'lo still gettin' a paycheck.

Morozov

07-15-2010, 11:16 PM

But he's obviously never gonna hit RVD with it, so where's the threat.

He nearly took Jeff's head off with it a week or two ago, Jeff ducked under it when Abyss swung it at him, looked pretty intimidating at that point.

Abyss will probably get hit with it at some point, not sure why you say it "could never be used".

Morozov

07-16-2010, 08:01 PM

Chileiceman

07-16-2010, 09:15 PM

Just watched over that ladder match again and it's far too good for TV. If that's match 1 out of a best of 5 then TNA fans are in for a huge treat over the next month or so.

When Sabin botched running up the ladder in the corner that could have ruined everything though :(
I don't agree with the whole too good for TV thing. I'm never going to pay for a pay per view ever because the whole concept of paying 4 times as much then you would to go watch a movie is ridiculous. So I for one am glad when there are excellent matches on TV.

Why would anyone complain?

Hawkguy

07-16-2010, 10:53 PM

I don't agree with the whole too good for TV thing. I'm never going to pay for a pay per view ever because the whole concept of paying 4 times as much then you would to go watch a movie is ridiculous. So I for one am glad when there are excellent matches on TV.

Why would anyone complain?
People (like me) complain because it leaves less quality on the PPVs, sets standards too high, and most importantly doesn't usually advance storylines much.

Morozov

07-17-2010, 12:14 AM

I don't agree with the whole too good for TV thing. I'm never going to pay for a pay per view ever because the whole concept of paying 4 times as much then you would to go watch a movie is ridiculous. So I for one am glad when there are excellent matches on TV.

Why would anyone complain?

I'm not complaining at all, I don't pay for PPV's anyway, they don't screen TNA at all in my country. Was more just a comment on how good of a match that was, that's the sort of match that deserves to have people paying for it.

WalterSobchak

07-22-2010, 04:57 PM

ok, I just finished watching last weeks iMPACT and THAT is how you book a ****ing invasion angle.

That ending was (almost) perfectly executed...until Dixie got involved at the end.

canucksfan

07-22-2010, 05:10 PM

Is Hogan and Bischoff supposed to be on TNA this week? If not I think I will tune in.

Hawkguy

07-22-2010, 07:17 PM

Is Hogan and Bischoff supposed to be on TNA this week? If not I think I will tune in.
Not sure but there's a Motor City Machineguns VS Beer Money Street Fight booked.

BreakTheWallsDown

07-22-2010, 09:59 PM

This end segment tonight is making me want to throw up. This sucks.

Chileiceman

07-22-2010, 10:00 PM

This end segment tonight is making me want to throw up. This sucks.

It's brutal. They're just re-hashing One Night Stand.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

07-22-2010, 10:01 PM

Dey took our jerbs!

So they're not even going to try and explain why they attacked everyone?

kingbrath

07-22-2010, 10:02 PM

ooooo......Tommy Dreamer crying...really extreme! :shakehead
Oh and Taz ****ing sucks!

Le Tricolore

07-22-2010, 10:05 PM

On a serious note (not that what I said wasn't serious...)

ECW was kinda cool for a couple years over a decade ago. It also had A LOT of crap in it that people like to disregard. There's absolutely no need to "BRING IN BACK DA RIGHT WAY!" every 2-3 years, but whatever. TNA can re-hash old WWE angles all they want and try to get Vince's attention but they won't get any acknowledgement on WWE TV at all. It's cute.

canucksfan

07-22-2010, 10:20 PM

I thought they might bring back Paul Heyman. I watched most of TNA and I was dissapointed in it.

Morozov

07-22-2010, 10:24 PM

Dey took our jerbs!

So they're not even going to try and explain why they attacked everyone?

Oh no! everything isn't explained in one night what a tragedy

microwave generation :shakehead

Vic Rattlehead*

07-23-2010, 01:43 PM

Morozov, I haven't paid attention to TNA for a month...care to give me a quick recap? All I know is that Abyss is heel now.

Patty Ice

07-23-2010, 04:44 PM

Hogan/Bischoff have been gone so its been watchable. Big Kev is looking for answers but since the aforementioned duo are MIA, he's been getting in JJ's face.

Flair feuded with Lethal and lost to him at the PPV. Now he is focusing on putting his Fo(u)rtune (get it?) together with Styles (new Global champ) and Kaz as the first two members, much to Desmond Wolfe's dismay. Good luck to him though, he's lucky if he gets an entrance let alone a victory. Meanwhile, since his big PPV win, Lethal has done nothing.

MCMG, **** yea, went from No. 1 contenders to tag champs but are now in a best-of-5 series with BMI for the titles. They are down 2-0 due to BMI skulduggery.

Kurt Angle is working his way to the no. 1 contender spot. Pope is slowly learning to trust Mr. Anderson, who now has made being an ******* lame. Jeff Hardy is still a spot monkey and terrible on the mic but fatter. Samoa Joe is still beating ass while not advancing in the title scene.

Douglas William is still X Div Champ fighting off a lame, watered down THE Brian Kendrick, who now uses the dumbest submission move I've witness in my 25 years of watching wrestling. The X Division as a whole looks to now be an afterthought.

Madison Rayne is Women's Champ again after being gypped for the title at the PPV due to a match stipulation (she would lose it if any of the BP helped). The bigheaded motorcycle lady (Tara) who helped her was not either Lacey or Velvet which pissed her off and now has cause a split within the BP. Sarita and Wilde hate each other because Wilde is a loser in Sarita's opinion.

Oh, and a much older and fatter ECW invasion is happening that was cool last week when they ****ed everyone up and got some of former ECWers/TNA wrestlers and agents to come back to the land of Extreme...only to blow it this week with an emotional Tommy Dreamer crying over lost jobs and looking for one more chance to do what the WWE did just 5 years ago.

That's about it.

Vic Rattlehead*

07-23-2010, 05:02 PM

Wolfe not being used and Anderson still being a corny babyface is enough to keep me away from the product. Both deserve much better.

ECW invasion? lol. At least the MCMG and BMI are at the top of the tag division.

I thought WWE messed up with THE Brian Kendrick, but it seems as if TNA has brought him down another level. Such a shame too...if only he wasn't such a stoner, he probably would have been reaping the rewards of his push from the fall of '08.

Prussian_Blue

07-23-2010, 06:10 PM

OK, is it just me, or is there a reason why none of the quotes marked "Spoil:" can be read on my screen? :help:

Morozov

07-23-2010, 06:24 PM

Wolfe not being used and Anderson still being a corny babyface is enough to keep me away from the product. Both deserve much better.

If that's enough to keep you away, surely a 5 match series between BMI and MCMG is enough to turn you back to balance it out? Check out the ladder match they had a couple of weeks ago it was freakin awesome, best on TV match I can recall in a long time.

Angle comes out and has a good match every week, Williams/Kendrick have had good matches and usually the top of the card contenders match is good also. RVD vs Joe the other week was really good.So yeah lot's of good matches and not so much Hogan/Eazy E. They took the Global title off the roid monkey and put it on AJ so maybe they can get that belt some sort of credibility. Tara is back in disguise but once she makes a full return that will help the knockout division.

RVD cut one of the worst promo's any HW champion anywhere has cut ever. Sting got "fired".

and as Tommy said in his shoot, it was hardly a promo, it's not an "ECW invasion" but yeah they an ECW PPV. I think Tommy actually has the creative control over it though so maybe it will be good if the old guys can step up for it.

Also Nash called JJ a p***k, ooooh, edgy :naughty:

TNA churned out a few good episodes, even a few people around here acknowledged it, then they have one this week where everyone seemed to not like it (I'm not even sure what was so bad about it) and suddenly everyone is back on the TNA sucks wagon.

BackGroundMusic

07-24-2010, 06:05 PM

I haven't watched an episode of Impact in years, but the MCMG/BMI ladder match that I read about on here made me download it. I just started watching it a bit ago, and I had to smile to myself at Taz's comment during the street fight, when Sarita was using a purse to choke out Wilde, something to the affect of, "You get fired for that in some companies." :laugh:

Morozov

07-24-2010, 07:13 PM

Yeah I enjoyed that little dig from Taz. It's good when he drops "vintage" into the mix as well.

TwoPadStack

07-25-2010, 10:07 AM

LET THE PIGEONS LOOSE!

Love that from Tazz. :D

Habsfan18

07-25-2010, 01:34 PM

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/report-tna-officials-down-on-2-stars-details-inside-107699

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that TNA officials are currently down on both Matt Morgan and Desmond Wolfe.

In Wolfe's case, it's being reported that he has developed a reputation of being difficult to work with, and that has subsequently affected his push in TNA.

As for Morgan, it's being said that TNA officials have been considering making him a part of Flair's Fortune group, however it's unknown at this point whether or not that will happen. There appears to be heat on Morgan for the two botched Border Tosses he took from Hernandez during their match at Victory Road. It's being said that there's no heat Hernandez as he is a company favorite.

Hawkguy

07-25-2010, 02:29 PM

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/report-tna-officials-down-on-2-stars-details-inside-107699
Wolfe is probably hard to work with because he wants to actually put together a match with meaning. Kurt Angle has had no problems working with him on 3 different occassions and even praised his work. Not to mention Wolfe is clearly a crowd favourite, yet they job him out. Great way to screw yourself out of money, TNA.

As for Morgan, I don't really like him - but how can you really blame him for the botched Border Tosses? That'd be like blaming Austin for Hall botching the Razor's Edge. It's a risky move when used on bigger guys. Now, I only saw one of the botched border tosses (wasn't really paying attention to that match), but in no way was the one I saw the fault of Morgan.

I haven't watched an episode of Impact in years, but the MCMG/BMI ladder match that I read about on here made me download it. I just started watching it a bit ago, and I had to smile to myself at Taz's comment during the street fight, when Sarita was using a purse to choke out Wilde, something to the affect of, "You get fired for that in some companies." :laugh:
What'd you think about the tag match?

BobbyClarkeFan16

07-25-2010, 03:10 PM

Hawkguy

07-25-2010, 06:54 PM

I'm looking forward to when Heyman comes in because it's almost a guarantee that two other guys will be coming with him - Gabe Sapolsky will be one, Jim Ross will be other. I can see the three of those guys really turning around TNA and making it a viable product.
Gabe? He was a great booker with ROH. Hopefully he comes in so Wolfe will get a push. :yo:

Heyman is good, but I hope they don't become an ECW.

Jim Ross, I can live without. I hate his voice now (I know that's a horrible thing to say) and his announcing hasn't been good in years.

Patty Ice

07-25-2010, 07:05 PM

Jim Ross isn't going anywhere. He just signed a new contract a month or two ago with the WWE in a non-televised capacity.

BackGroundMusic

07-25-2010, 07:23 PM

What'd you think about the tag match?

Solid, but irritating finish. You already have two refs. Meh. Don't be stupid about matches. Some unique stuff with the ladders, but I'm coming off just having watched the MitB PPV, so it's tough to get all gung-ho about it. I still think that Shelley could be a legit superstar if he were booked properly.

The ECW/TNA Management brawl at the end was interesting. Nice to see Al Snow throwing some bombs. I used to always take him in the N64 games, just so I could randomly yell "HEAD!" and ask my friend for the vibrator [Rumble Pack].

Ah, to be 15 again. :laugh:

Morozov

07-25-2010, 09:36 PM

If MitB had 4 Sabin's and 4 Shelley's in each of the matches it would have been much better.

BackGroundMusic

07-25-2010, 10:25 PM

If MitB had 4 Sabin's and 4 Shelley's in each of the matches it would have been much better.

No doubt, but there was just a lot less going on in this match. What there was, was very good. It also doesn't help that TNA is in that crappy little studio whereas MitB had a packed arena.

I still can't believe WWE let go of The Pope. I'm excited to see what the company could be if Heyman comes in and Hogan/Bischoff leave.

Morozov

07-26-2010, 12:45 AM

I think there's something to be said for having less going on in the match, but there's also something to say for some of the MitB's where it seems like there is just carnage happening everywhere.

From what I remember, WWE didn't want to give the "Pope" character a chance when Burke was pitching it, it's their loss :D

Hawkguy

07-26-2010, 11:36 PM

Yikes. You can definitely tell Hogan/Bischoff are back on board because this week's episode of Impact looks like CRAP! Kazarian getting squashed in 30 seconds? So much for the new stable... Tommy Dreamer main eventing their show (with very little build) when he was barely a mid-carder for the WWE? No better way to make your promotion looks second rate.

The only reason to tune in this week, again, looks to be MCMG/Beer Money.

They have a SECURITY GUARD in a match for crying out loud. Pathetic.

Please Fire Hogan & Bischoff and continue to put on the excellent shows you have for the past few weeks. Thanks.

Hawkguy

07-29-2010, 09:07 PM

Motor City!

pelts35.com

07-30-2010, 10:01 AM

pld459666

07-30-2010, 11:38 AM

Can someone explain why The Freak gets any kind of push whatsoever? He looks absolutely clumsy in the ring and someone could shoot him from point blank range and he wouldn't sell it.

I mean I could see Vince pushing a musclehead with no talent, but with all of the guys with legitimate talent in TNA, why on earth would this guy get any television time of any kind?

Cause they still have the clown Russo scripting things.

He's also the Momo that gave David Arquette the belt while in WCW

Vince is done, Hogan is done, Bischoff is done

They need to re-vamp the creative department and have NO WRESTLERS involved in it.

Let them develope their charachters within the angles written for them.

If they are as talented as we all think they are, then the cream will rise and guys like the Freak will fade.

But, so will Abyss as he is Abyss-mal

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Big Poppa Puck

07-30-2010, 12:49 PM

when i first heard Hogan and nWo were back on it along wit RVD i watched that 1st Impact when they returned. But then i(and still) keep forgettin its on. i've jus recently in the last 3 weeks started casually followin Raw again and 2 a much lesser extent smackdown(NXT blows) I might have start followin TNA more now and remind myself its on.

But ill never be able 2 follow wrestlin hardcore again like i did from 96-04(mostly WCW/WWF-E) and i dont think i'd wanna wrestlin will never again top how great it was in those days.

BobbyClarkeFan16

07-30-2010, 02:24 PM

Jim Ross isn't going anywhere. He just signed a new contract a month or two ago with the WWE in a non-televised capacity.

But Ross also has several outs with regards to the contract. I know that it's a non-televised capacity deal he signed, but there was talk that the deal he signed has several escape clauses in it. So, I could definitely see if Heyman came calling, Ross would be very willing to listen. And let's not forget that Ross has considerable pull with wrestlers and writers, so you can bet that if Ross does jump ship, TNA looks that much more attractive with regards to being a work environment to go to.

I really think towards the end of the summer, we'll see Heyman come onboard and he'll get everything he asks for.

mapes

07-30-2010, 10:47 PM

Big Poppa Puck

07-30-2010, 11:07 PM

I don't mean to sound ignorant but I barely understand this post :laugh:

96-04 were good years, though

In short:

wanna follow TNA b/c of Hogan/Wolfpac/RVD on it BUT 4get its on.

Starting watchin WWE again recently although not as Hardcore as i did from 96-04 which cant be topped.

Patty Ice

07-30-2010, 11:35 PM

But Ross also has several outs with regards to the contract. I know that it's a non-televised capacity deal he signed, but there was talk that the deal he signed has several escape clauses in it. So, I could definitely see if Heyman came calling, Ross would be very willing to listen. And let's not forget that Ross has considerable pull with wrestlers and writers, so you can bet that if Ross does jump ship, TNA looks that much more attractive with regards to being a work environment to go to.

I really think towards the end of the summer, we'll see Heyman come onboard and he'll get everything he asks for.

Out Clauses only apply to non-competitive opportunities. He can do MMA or any other sporting gig but if it has to do with wrestling, its a no go.

http://www.jrsbarbq.com/blog/decision-has-been-made

I've also been offered a position to do some free lance writing for a major, national sports website which we'll update you on within the next 10 days or so. It will likely focus on College Football, the NFL, and MMA.

The new arrangement with WWE will allow me to explore broadcast options in other, non competitive areas such as MMA if I so choose.

Morozov

07-31-2010, 09:36 AM

In short:

wanna follow TNA b/c of Hogan/Wolfpac/RVD on it BUT 4get its on.

Starting watchin WWE again recently although not as Hardcore as i did from 96-04 which cant be topped.

The "Wolfpac" is gone, only Nash is around now and he isn't on much, and Hogan is perhaps the worst thing in TNA so I don't see why you would want to follow it for him. RVD gets pretty good treatment though. So really if that's all you want then you aren't missing much.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

08-03-2010, 02:51 PM

Credit: PWInsider.com

Dave Scherer is reporting that Samoa Joe has been suspended from TNA indefinitely due to an apparent bad attitude. There is also speculation that the company hasn't been happy with Joe's weight. http://nodq.com/tna/282872023.shtml

Apparently there was a backstage issue.

Samoa Joe blew up backstage after his time limit draw with Jeff Hardy, which aired on Thursday's TNA Impact. Joe headed backstage and yelled at Vince Russo in front of TNA president Dixie Carter.

Joe made it clear going into the match that he felt counting down to the time limit would give away the draw finish. However, Russo apparently instructed ring announcer Jeremy Borash to announce that there were 30 seconds remaining in the match.

8/3 Update: One source claims Joe was actually yelling at production team members Keith Mitchell and David Sahadi, while others say it was Russo. Either way, it's very telling that he has not appeared for the company since the outburst.
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/mostpopulararticles/article10013330.shtml

Also, AJ doesn't sound too happy.

On Losing the Title to RVD
I definitely didn’t understand it. For the life of me, I couldn’t understand it. I was very surprised that I would lose that title after holding it for so long, and to somebody who has basically been out of wrestling for over a year, and was coming in from WWE. And he should have been tired from wrestling a match before that. It was like I’m not the star I thought I was. I guess I’m just a guy in TNA.

On the Changes TNA has Made
I think there are mistakes that have been done. Things where you have to look at it and realize you have to take a step back. There were some people brought in that I don’t know that we needed, but there are other guys I think deserved a shot.

On Being the Face of TNA
I don’t know. People tell me that I’m the face, but sometimes I don’t feel like that. Don’t get me wrong. My peers definitely treat me with respect. I guess sometimes I wish that the higher-ups would come to me sometimes and ask, “Hey AJ, what do you think about this?”
http://thebradyhicks.com/

CaptainCrunch67

08-03-2010, 03:35 PM

Obviously the Ninja's that kidnapped him brain washed him to love donuts.

SJ is a great performer, but he's really let himself go. The best thing for TNA would be to release him.

Hawkguy

08-03-2010, 04:15 PM

http://nodq.com/tna/282872023.shtml

Apparently there was a backstage issue.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/mostpopulararticles/article10013330.shtml

Also, AJ doesn't sound too happy.

http://thebradyhicks.com/
So, they let go Daniels.

Now, they make AJ Styles unhappy and suspend Samoa Joe, while reverting one of their most popular supsters (#1 in the first ever poll), Mr. Desmond Wolfe to Xplosion tag matches with Magnus. Probably the four best wrestlers on the show are gone or basically been turned into a joke.

TNA has no continuity.

Hell, even the MCMG were rarely on Impact until the recent feud with Beer Money. If Beer Money wins the feud, I expect MCMG to have a hard time finding television time again in the near future.

Doug Williams (X-Division Champion) hasn't been on Impact in two weeks. Pathetic.

I try and I try and I try to give TNA chances, but they just keep screwing them up.

Now they expect me to pay to watch a bunch of old WWE rejects wrestle on a PPV - most who are half past their prime? The only redeeming quality is if we do actually see Jerry Lynn return because he's awesome. And maybe Chris Chetti because he was my favourite in ECW. Most of the other bums are so far past their prime .. or even the okay years after their prime.

I rarely see the Pope anymore. And Mr. Anderson went from a fun heel to a boring babyface.

Their ratings are basically the same as they were 8-10 months ago, but now we have WWE rejects running the show. Hey, congratulations TNA .. you're now WWE Velocity. :laugh:

TNA used to be a lot of fun - then Hogan came.
Then Hogan left and it was a lot of fun again.
Then Hogan came back - and it's been crap again.

The EV2.0 crap just makes it worse.

PS. Seriously.. on the night that the "Fortune" stable is completed and they job Kazarian to Rob Terry in 30 seconds? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

KesselBuiltMyHotrod

08-03-2010, 08:06 PM

Obviously the Ninja's that kidnapped him brain washed him to love donuts.

SJ is a great performer, but he's really let himself go. The best thing for TNA would be to release him.
The best thing for TNA would be to know how to actually use their talent. He was great until they made his character a retarded man-baby with a dick on his face. Yeah, he's not in the best shape, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the brother fat. I mean, he's got a weight problem. What's the ****** gonna do? He's Samoan. It hasn't affected his in-ring work.

ColePens

08-03-2010, 08:18 PM

http://nodq.com/tna/282872023.shtml

Apparently there was a backstage issue.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/mostpopulararticles/article10013330.shtml

Also, AJ doesn't sound too happy.

http://thebradyhicks.com/

AJ Styles is the freakin' man. I love everything that guy brings to the business. He's honest, he works hard, and he does what is asked of him. He's a guy that any wrestling fan (no matter how dedicated they are to the E) can tune into and just enjoy.

RVD's title reign has been at best a joke. I may be biased because I never was intrigued by the guy, but he has to be one of the worst champions in a long time.

I actually feel bad for TNA and agree with Jericho calling them out yet again. He's not doing it because he wants to rep the WWE, he's doing it because there are talented guys there wasting away while the bookers **** up over and over again.

Chileiceman

08-03-2010, 09:47 PM

AJ Styles is the freakin' man. I love everything that guy brings to the business. He's honest, he works hard, and he does what is asked of him. He's a guy that any wrestling fan (no matter how dedicated they are to the E) can tune into and just enjoy.

RVD's title reign has been at best a joke. I may be biased because I never was intrigued by the guy, but he has to be one of the worst champions in a long time.

I actually feel bad for TNA and agree with Jericho calling them out yet again. He's not doing it because he wants to rep the WWE, he's doing it because there are talented guys there wasting away while the bookers **** up over and over again.

What did Jericho say about TNA?

ColePens

08-03-2010, 09:54 PM

What did Jericho say about TNA?

Why he sees TNA as being a "vanity project that's been treading water for the last four years," why he sees their booking being "horrendous," why the Hardcore Justice could spike their PPV buyrates, and why bringing in Tommy Dreamer could be just what the company needs: They got nothing else going on, their booking is horrendous, and I say that with the utmost respect for those guys and I most desire to see them succeed, but it's crap. You know it's crap, they throw stuff up against the wall, and it's so hard to watch when it doesn't have to be.

"They're doing 10,000 buys on Pay-Per-View, so let's bring back The Sandman and Sabu, and maybe they could do 30,000 buys. Go for it; maybe they can do something out of it. Having a guy like Tommy Dreamer involved behind the scenes might be what they need. Get rid of the same old stuff that they have been doing over and over, and bring in someone with a new perspective, and maybe that will help them get their heads out of there ***** and just making some money instead of doing this as sort of a vanity project that's been treading water for the last four years."

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/chris-jericho-bashes-tna-creative-speaks-on-wwe-future-108409

CaptainCrunch67

08-03-2010, 10:01 PM

I just have to wonder how long TNA is going to be aloud to limp along?

Their ratings are worse then a late night infomercial for extendz tablets, Spike has to be losing advertising revenue.

TNA runs very few house shows and gives away tickets to the Impact zone so they have no real ticket revenue. They don't have much in the way of advertising revenue. Their PPV numbers aren't nearly big enough to sustain the company.

Meanwhile they have a bloated roster ala WCW where half the talent is paid to stay at home. they have high end former WWE talent making monstrous amounts of money.

How long are Dixie Carter's parents going to allow her to burn their money in a hobo barrel.

How long is spike going to throw away advertising revenue in prime time T.V.

I hear lots of talk that TNA has a year left if things don't change. I think with no growth in audience numbers no revenue streams and terrible ratings TNA will be gone unless they toss Hogan and Bishoff out the back door.

Morozov

08-03-2010, 11:48 PM

Fighting Saint

08-04-2010, 02:44 AM

As I understand it, many of the TNA roster are paid on a per appearance basis, so no half the talent isn't being paid to sit at home, some of the other talent are contracted for a certain number of appearances so when they aren't on screen they aren't being paid for that time. What's wrong with having former WWE talent making big money? you need to pay big stars big money or you don't get them and those are the guys that get on Impact every week.

The purpose of having big stars is to attract more fans, which hasn't really worked as of yet. TNA was getting the same and even sometimes better ratings/buyrates when the shows just had the "homegrown" talent all over the cards. Why not use that money to bring some of that younger talent back on impact and make them into stars instead?

A large part of the blame goes to TNA's lack of advertising. If nobody knows these wrestlers are even there, they aren't going to watch. You'd think a guy like Jeff Hardy, who had a huge following in WWE, would have been able to bring quite a few fans over. Most probably think he actually retired from wrestling after losing to Punk.

Kurt Angle and Christian were the only successful signings. They at least created a buzz with people outside of the regulars, not to mention ended up having some good matches with Styles, Joe, Daniels, Lethal, etc. You could probably throw Elijah Burke in there too, but management seems to have screwed that up as well.

I am glad to see Kendrick on tv, though. :D

Morozov

08-04-2010, 05:16 AM

and if they had not dropped money on Anderson, Hardy etc and still getting the same ratings, people would be sitting around saying that they should have opened up the wallets for those names. If you have a chance to sign Hardy, you pretty much have to take it. The money they wasted on whatever the Nasty's, Val Venis, Hall, Syxx was stupid, but the money they spend on former WWE guys now (I'm talking Angle, RVD, Hardy, Anderson) isn't exactly going to waste, in fact it's pretty far from the problem. I don't see how you can't say Anderson hasn't been a successful signing when he's one of the most over guys and has churned out some great matches so far, the feud with Kurt was really good. People want to jump on the hating RVD bandwagon but the crowd goes absolutely ****ing mental for him so it's hard to say he isn't a successful signing either, I know TNA crowds mark for everything, but RVD is over to the point where they successfully managed to turn Sting heel. Everyone was saying the Sting heel turn will fail, the only reason it worked and Sting started getting boos was because RVD was so over. Flair's been great also.

I can't really comment on advertising much because I don't live in the States but I can imagine what you say being true. It seems like they try hard with the videogames/action figures etc to generate some buzz behind them but what are they doing to find all of Jeff's old WWE fans? probably not much at all.

I don't think you can blame management for Pope getting injured when his popularity was soaring. Once he got back from injury he got a promo dedicated to his return and has had a match with Angle, he's got a three way with Morgan/Anderson on the PPV quality Impact or whatever they are calling it after Hardcore Justice so it's not like he isn't being used. Yeah he's noway near where he was, but he got injured and Anderson grabbed those fans and ran away with them, not managements fault. More fair to wait and see what they do with him after this PPV/Impact before passing judgment.

WalterSobchak

08-05-2010, 02:01 PM

Watched Turning Point 2009 again last night.

Angle vs. Wolfe. & Styles vs. Daniels vs. Somoa Joe.
So awesome.

**** you Hogan, Bischoff and Flair. **** you very much.

Morozov

08-05-2010, 06:24 PM

Why Flair? all he's done is help AJ and put Lethal over and now he's helping Kaz.

Habsfan18

08-05-2010, 06:55 PM

Kazarian getting squashed by Rob Terry was definitely facepalm worthy.

I really don't get this company sometimes. I really don't.

Things need to change, and soon. The company is being run into the ground.

Prussian_Blue

08-05-2010, 07:52 PM

Why Flair? all he's done is help AJ and put Lethal over and now he's helping Kaz.

Agreed. That's what Flair does, is put guys over. Congrast that to Higan and Bischoff, who don't do **** for anybody but themselves.

This (Flair) is a guy who's given his life and his health to this business, in four different federations (AWA, WCW, WWE, TNA) for the last 30-plus years. He's earned respect.

kingbrath

08-05-2010, 08:07 PM

Uncle Scotty! Why did dreamer steal uncle scotty's girl???

This is bad!:help:

WalterSobchak

08-05-2010, 09:44 PM

Why Flair? all he's done is help AJ and put Lethal over and now he's helping Kaz.

He has helped AJ become a heel, not better. I will conceed that he has helped put Jay Lethal over but I just don't want him wrestling. Period.

Morozov

08-05-2010, 10:04 PM

No, he made AJ better. He's much more confident on the mic after working with Flair and his in ring psychology is better now, he's also expanded his move set.

F0rsbergFan21

08-06-2010, 07:42 AM

pelts35.com

08-06-2010, 09:02 AM

Oh hurray, the Sandman cleans house with his cane.

BTW, wtf with Raven's blonde hair? He looks horrible. Also not quite understand Stevie coming to the rescue of the faces since he was Raven's tag partner in ECW.

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La Grosse Tendresse

08-06-2010, 10:20 AM

First of all, let me say that I practically never watch TNA and so I don't really know anything about the storylines or whatever. Still, I didn't find it that attrocious, some moments were cringe-worthy but same thing can be said about WWE.

However, people around here (and on the Internet in general) keep talking about how much better the wrestling is compared to WWE. And I couldn't disagree more.

The wrestlers seem to have zero psychology, zero pacing, it just seems to be fast-paced botched spots. People talk about how good MCMG and Beer Money are, but that match was absolutely brutal. Watching two little guys do gymnastics and two big guys move around setting up spots isn't wrestling. Of course wrestling is fake, but this is as if they don't even want to make it remotely realistic, they sell absolutely zero moves, all they do is set-up these big spots, take these big bumps, then get up two seconds later to set up another big spot. I also saw the cage match last week, and it was the same thing, the wrestler would take a bump and immediately set up another bump. Nothing seems to hurt, nothing seems to do damage.

Even my girlfriend who never watches wrestling went "wow this seems a lot more fake than normal". And she's right.

Also, is TNA simply trying to say "Oh we're not PG like WWE, we're extreme, look at us"??! There was absolutely no point in blading in the tag match, Abyss' weapon is completely useless since it obviously can never be actually used, etc. I hate the PG crap, I'd much rather see blood and weapons WHEN NECESSARY, but this just reeked of overkill.

Hawkguy

08-06-2010, 12:48 PM

i caught TNA last night from just before the AJ match with the Freak.

really liked the AJ/Freak match. ended a little fast for my taste. hard to believe the groin to pele kick to splash would take out that dude. besides that it was good and showed how skill can win over strength (low blow a factor of course)

MCMG and Beer money match was solid. Good spots in it. Little sloppy with some of the attempted X crossings on the cables and guys grabbing legs.

Those two matches were good for me. Better than what I saw on RAW lately.

That said, why Hogan why? I gotta sit there and watch his slow entrance to the ring. Watch the same crap that I always hated as a kid. Then I hear him say the same thing about how his time is done except for some "help" and it is time to let the new guys run. Yet he is out there killing air time and the momentum from a great tag match. Then we get to see more old guys come in and slop around the ring. Brutal!

I love Flair in the role of James J Dillon. But god, keep him OUT of the ring! Flair is not putting anyone over in the ring. Wow, Lethal could beat a 60 year old! Wait, he lost due to interference. So I guess now we have to sit through another Lethal/Flair match before Lethal fueds with the other dude who hit him? Brutal...

TNA needs to play to it's strengths and let the fans build on their own. signings like Anderson, RVD, Angle, Christian helped. The others did not.

I just wish TNA management would read this thread and other forum threads and take some heed to them. The true fans of wrestling know...
Flair needed the win to help Fortune look strong going forward - especially after that horrible booking decision to have Kazarian squashed in 30 seconds by Rob Terry. So stupid.

As for not putting Lethal over? Flair put Lethal over clean at the PPV by tapping out to his own finishing move. That's a pretty big rub.

First of all, let me say that I practically never watch TNA and so I don't really know anything about the storylines or whatever. Still, I didn't find it that attrocious, some moments were cringe-worthy but same thing can be said about WWE.

However, people around here (and on the Internet in general) keep talking about how much better the wrestling is compared to WWE. And I couldn't disagree more.

The wrestlers seem to have zero psychology, zero pacing, it just seems to be fast-paced botched spots. People talk about how good MCMG and Beer Money are, but that match was absolutely brutal. Watching two little guys do gymnastics and two big guys move around setting up spots isn't wrestling. Of course wrestling is fake, but this is as if they don't even want to make it remotely realistic, they sell absolutely zero moves, all they do is set-up these big spots, take these big bumps, then get up two seconds later to set up another big spot. I also saw the cage match last week, and it was the same thing, the wrestler would take a bump and immediately set up another bump. Nothing seems to hurt, nothing seems to do damage.

Even my girlfriend who never watches wrestling went "wow this seems a lot more fake than normal". And she's right.

Also, is TNA simply trying to say "Oh we're not PG like WWE, we're extreme, look at us"??! There was absolutely no point in blading in the tag match, Abyss' weapon is completely useless since it obviously can never be actually used, etc. I hate the PG crap, I'd much rather see blood and weapons WHEN NECESSARY, but this just reeked of overkill.
First of all, Shelley and Sabin are two of the best in the business today. They can sell, but when you're giving 5-8 minutes each night with a stipulation match, there isn't much time for selling. If they sold that match (I haven't seen the Ultimate X match yet), then they'd be on the ground for about 6 of the 8 minutes. Watch Shelley in RoH, he's amazing.

Beer Money is also good.

You have no idea what's being told to them backstage. They could be told to go out, have 6 or 7 crazy bumps, and try to draw in an audience. Maybe it won't draw you in, but 98% of fans are loving the feud, so do you think they really care if you tune in?

And PS. Wrestling is about as fake as stunt actors are.

No, he made AJ better. He's much more confident on the mic after working with Flair and his in ring psychology is better now, he's also expanded his move set.
I agree he's more confident on the microphone, but his moveset is unchanged. You're just seeing stuff you haven't seen in years because he's been a face (or whiny heel) for so long. Never a confident, cheating type heel. He's had these moves forever.

CaptainCrunch67

08-06-2010, 03:30 PM

Flair needed the win to help Fortune look strong going forward - especially after that horrible booking decision to have Kazarian squashed in 30 seconds by Rob Terry. So stupid.

As for not putting Lethal over? Flair put Lethal over clean at the PPV by tapping out to his own finishing move. That's a pretty big rub.

First of all, Shelley and Sabin are two of the best in the business today. They can sell, but when you're giving 5-8 minutes each night with a stipulation match, there isn't much time for selling. If they sold that match (I haven't seen the Ultimate X match yet), then they'd be on the ground for about 6 of the 8 minutes. Watch Shelley in RoH, he's amazing.

Beer Money is also good.

You have no idea what's being told to them backstage. They could be told to go out, have 6 or 7 crazy bumps, and try to draw in an audience. Maybe it won't draw you in, but 98% of fans are loving the feud, so do you think they really care if you tune in?

And PS. Wrestling is about as fake as stunt actors are.

I agree he's more confident on the microphone, but his moveset is unchanged. You're just seeing stuff you haven't seen in years because he's been a face (or whiny heel) for so long. Never a confident, cheating type heel. He's had these moves forever.

One thing I've noticed since I've reduced my TNA viewing to occassional is that one of their strengths which was the Knockouts divisions has been completely destroyed.

And for god sakes I get that Lacy Von Erich has a great a$$, but I have never seen anything worse then her in the ring since Jackie Gayda took on Trish Stratus in 2002

IF a two hour T.V. show has maybe 15 minutes of watchable stuff and the rest is eye rolling groan inducing stupidity it should be retooled.