[FIN] Finland Top Prospects

IFK
05-26-2004, 01:18 PM
Goaltenders

Already in the NHL/AHL

Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
Tuomas Nissinen, Ässät -83 (St.Louis)
Joni Puurula, HPK -82 (Montreal)
Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
Matti Kaltiainen, NCAA -82 (Boston)
Eero Kilpeläinen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
Karri Rämö, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
Pekka Rinne, Kärpät -82 (Nashville)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Tuukka Rask, Ilves -87/SM: 4 87,50/A: 15 93,61
Jani Nieminen, HIFK -87/SM: 8 0.000/A: 21 89,51
Juha Toivonen, HPK -87/A: 8 88,66
Antti Härmä, Blues -87/SM: 2 0.000

Aleksis Ahlqvist, JYP -86/SM: 1 0.000/A: 19 92,63

2006 Eligible

Niko Hovinen, Jokerit -88/A: 1 94,12
Jesse Kosonen, TPS -87/A: 1 88,24

Defensemen

Already in the NHL/AHL

Joni Pitkänen -83 (Philadelphia)
Mikko Viitanen -82 (Colorado)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Jyri Marttinen, JYP -82 (Calgary)
Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
Topi Jaakola, Kärpät -83 (Florida)
Olli Malmivaara, Saipa -82 (Chicago)
Tuukka Mäkelä, HPK -82 (Boston)
Teemu Jääskeläinen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Oskari Korpikari, Kärpät -84 (Montreal)
Tero Määttä, -82 Blues (San Jose)
Ville Mäntymaa, Tappara -85 (Anaheim)
Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
Markus Seikola, TPS -82 (Toronto)
Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)
Sami Lepistö, Jokerit -84 (Washington)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Teemu Laakso, HIFK -87/SM: 6 0+1=1/A: 20 5+4=9
Erkka Leppänen, JYP -86/SM: 4 0+0=0/A: 23 2+2=4
Mikko Haapanen, TPS -86/A: 26 8+10=18
Tommi Leinonen, Kärpät -87/A: 25 6+7=13/B: 1 0+0=0
Risto Korhonen, Kärpät -86/A: 26 4+7=11
Timo Seppänen, HIFK -87/A: 27 2+4=6
Tomi Tuomainen, Kalpa -87/A: 17 3+2=5
Lari Virkki, HPK -87/A: 16 2+3=5/B: 13 5+2=7
Mikael Kurki, Jokerit -87/A: 21 2+3=5/B: 7 5+2=7
Toni Hinkkanen, Saipa -86/A: 24 2+3=5
Juho Mielonen, Ilves -87/A: 24 0+5=5/B: 1 0+1=1
Niko Hannula, Ilves -87/A: 26 1+3=4/B: 1 0+0=0
Rony Ahonen, HIFK -87/A: 9 1+0=1/B: 15 5+12=19
Joni Haverinen, HIFK -87/A: 22 0+1=1/B: 2 2+2=4
Henrik Maunula, TPS -87/A: 10 0+0=0/B: 4 1+2=3
Kim Kauttonen, TPS -87/A: 2 0+0=0/B: 19 0+3=3

Jani Forsström, Pelicans -86/SM: 1 0+0=0/A: 27 2+6=10
Mikko Kuukka, Red Deer -86
Tuomas Gärdström, Kookoo -86

2006 Eligible

Antti Jaatinen, JYP -87/A: 23 3+1=4/B: 2 0+1=1
Eetu Heikkinen, Ässät -88/A: 26 0+1=1/B: 3 0+0=0
Lauri Seppä, HPK -87/A: 5 1+0=1/B: 8 1+1=2
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves -88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 9 5+4=9
Joni Korhonen, Jokerit -88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 17 1+5=6
Juha-Petteri Purolinna, HIFK -88/B: 12 4+5=9
Robert Tenhunen, HIFK -88/B: 12 2+1=3
Juha Ruohomaa, Ässät -87/B: 13 2+0=2

Forwards

Already in the NHL/AHL

Tuomo Ruutu -83 (Chicago)
Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
Tuomas Pihlman -82 (New Jersey)
Janne Jokila, ECHL -82 (Columbus)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Mikko Koivu, TPS -83 (Minnesota)
Jussi Jokinen, Kärpät -83 (Dallas)
Jesse Niinimäki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
Jarkko Immonen, JYP -82 (NY Rangers)
Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
Masi Marjamäki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
Tomi Mäki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
Kim Hirschovits, HIFK -82 (Ny Rangers)
Tomek Valtonen, Jokerit -82 (Detroit)
Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
Teemu Laine, Tappara -82 (New Jersey)
Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
Joni Lindlöf, Tappara -84 (Washington)
Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
Tommi Jäminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
Juha-Matti Aaltonen, Kärpät -85 (St. Louis)
Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
Toni Koivisto, Lukko -82 (Florida)
Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
Marko Anttila, Ilves -85(Chicago)
Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
Janne Pesonen, Kärpät -82 (Anaheim)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Mikko Lehtonen, Blues 01.04.87/SM: 1 0+0=0/A: 25 4+9=13/B: 1 1+0=1
Tuomas Kiiskinen, Kalpa -86/Mestis: 1 0+0=0/A: 27 12+16=28
Perttu Lindgren, Ilves -87/A: 25 8+19=27
Jarkko Hattunen, Lukko -87/A: 26 7+13=20/B-div: 1 0+2=2
Joonas Riekkinen, Kalpa -87/A: 26 4+10=14
Miika Lahti, JYP -87/A: 20 7+6=13
Ville Korhonen, Ilves -87/A:25 6+6=12/B:1 0+1=1
Ossi Saarinen, Jokerit -87/A: 23 5+6=11
Joona Karevaara, HPK -87/A: 15 4+4=8/B: 10 9+5=14
Matti Huilla, Ilves -86/A: 23 3+5=8
Tuomas Huhtanen, Ässät -87/A: 14 1+5=6/B: 15 8+5=13
Jussi Peltomaa, Ässät -87/A: 23 2+3=5/B: 8 4+3=7
Antti Hölli, Ilves -87/A: 11 2+2=4/B: 2 0+0=0
Mika Halava, Ässät -87/A: 19 1+3=4/B: 7 4+4=8
Marko Pöyhönen, Pelicans -87/A: 11 1+2=3/B: 19 6+13=19
Elmeri Kaksonen, Saipa -87/A: 3 0+2=2/B: 14 5+5=10
Antti Kerälä, HPK -87/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 19 7+26=33
Niko Kähönen, Kärpät -87/A: 7 0+0=0/B: 14 8+7=15
Valtteri Nieminen, Lukko -87/A: 3 1+0=1/B-div: 6 5+3=8
Joonas Wedman, Kärpät -87/A: 17 1+0=1/B: 6 2+3=5

Miika Varjonen, Tuto -87
Sami-Petteri Sandell, Ilves(WHL) -87

Jarmo Jokila, TPS -86/SM: 9 1+0=1/A: 24 13+14=27
Petteri Wirtanen, HPK -86/SM: 5 0+0=0/A: 26 6+14=20
Jesse Uronen, Jokerit -86/A: 27 23+10=33
Veikko Karppinen, Kärpät -86 27 8+17=25
Tommi Laine, TPS -86/A: 26 6+10=16
Janne Kolehmainen, Saipa -86/SM: 26 1+0=1/A: 11 1+4=5

2006 Eligible

Jesse Joensuu, Ässät -87/SM: 32 1+0=1/A: 10 6+7=13
Oskar Osala, Sport -87/Mestis: 9 0+2=2/A-div: 15 11+12=23/B: 2 0+1=1
Jonas Enlund, HIFK -87/A: 26 9+13=22
Tommi Huhtala, Ilves -87/A: 21 8+3=11/B: 2 0+3=3
Joonas Kemppainen, Ässät -88/A: 25 5+4=9/B: 4 3+0=3
Robert Nyholm, HIFK -88/A: 25 3+5=8/B: 1 1+0=1
Teemu Ramsted, HIFK -87/A: 9 1+2=3/B: 13 12+9=21
Taneli Jaatinen, Tappara -88/A: 14 0+2=2/B: 9 3+3=6
Teemu Mustaniemi, HIFK -87/A: 20 0+2=2/B: 5 3+2=5
Max Wärn, HIFK -88/A: 3 0+0=0/B: 15 4+7=11
Kim Strömberg, Jokerit -87/A: 4 0+0=0/B: 18 14+14=28
Jan-Mikael Juutilainen, Jokerit -88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 19 11+4=15
Lassi Mattila, Ilves -87/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 19 17+10=27
Valtteri Skyttä, KooKoo -87/A-div: 9 2+4=6/B: 18 13+11=24
Jori Lehterä, Jokerit -87/B: 19 7+25=32
Juuso Puustinen, Kalpa 05.04.88/B: 19 11+11=22

Kai Kantola Pelicans -87?


If there is some player who missing that list then tell me and if he is decent player i maybe put him on the list.

GKJ
05-26-2004, 02:52 PM
Surely there must be more 2005 eligibles

IFK
05-26-2004, 03:01 PM
Surely there must be more 2005 eligibles

Yes, there are, but i hope someone else can help me that cause i dont now all players. I try to do better list, but i take 4 hours to do that list, so give me a break... :)

Korkki
05-26-2004, 05:36 PM
My two cents to that list... All from Ässät unless noted. It is very hard to predict how they will develop in the future, but these all have potential enough to be considered as prospects. Of course each of these boys develop individually so after next season we will know more.
GK:
Joonas Itäjärvi, eligible 2007
Def:
Mika Rontti, eligible 2004/undrafted
Atte Valli, eligible 2004/undrafted
Juho Sulin, eligible 2005
Jesse Jyrkkiö, eligible 2007
Fw:
Jussi Peltomaa, eligible 2005
Mika Halava, eligible 2005
Tuomas Huhtanen, eligible 2005
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves, eligible 2006 (do not mix with Ässät player with same name)
Joonas Välisalmi, Lukko, eligible 2007

IFK
05-26-2004, 06:14 PM
My two cents to that list... All from Ässät unless noted. It is very hard to predict how they will develop in the future, but these all have potential enough to be considered as prospects. Of course each of these boys develop individually so after next season we will know more.
GK:
Joonas Itäjärvi, eligible 2007
Def:
Mika Rontti, eligible 2004/undrafted
Atte Valli, eligible 2004/undrafted
Juho Sulin, eligible 2005
Jesse Jyrkkiö, eligible 2007
Fw:
Jussi Peltomaa, eligible 2005
Mika Halava, eligible 2005
Tuomas Huhtanen, eligible 2005
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves, eligible 2006 (do not mix with Ässät player with same name)
Joonas Välisalmi, Lukko, eligible 2007

Tell me more about those Peltomaa and Halava. They look great points at A-juniors in those age, but why they are not that good in B-juniors what could think, when looket at theyr points? Huhtanen not looking good eather at B-juniors.

Sulin has good size, but what type of player he is? He dont put much points so if he stay-at-home type or what?

I think that Rontti has some tools to come good player, but i don´t think he has much chance to get come drafted this year, yet. Maybe 2005 if he comes out decently and plays good year in Assat.

I dont now much of those other players eather so if you now something, tell me cause i would glad to hear more about them.

eh
05-27-2004, 01:48 AM
Goaltenders

Already in the NHL/AHL
...
Kristian Antila, ECHL (Edmonton)
...
Antila was released by the Oilers (I think) and he's currently playing in Sweden.

Korkki
05-27-2004, 05:17 PM
Tell me more about those Peltomaa and Halava. They look great points at A-juniors in those age, but why they are not that good in B-juniors what could think, when looket at theyr points? Huhtanen not looking good eather at B-juniors.

Sulin has good size, but what type of player he is? He dont put much points so if he stay-at-home type or what?

I think that Rontti has some tools to come good player, but i don´t think he has much chance to get come drafted this year, yet. Maybe 2005 if he comes out decently and plays good year in Assat.

I dont now much of those other players eather so if you now something, tell me cause i would glad to hear more about them.
Ässät junior B had a really bad season start. Their coach really overtrained them and they played really poor games with wrong tactics. They struggled from match to match ending to the lower serie. They changed coach after the poor eastern Finland tour, big defeats to SaiPa and KooKoo and started to win and secured their place for next season. That's the main reason why Peltomaa's, Halava's and Huhtanen's stats are not so impressive. Ässät junior B is however a potential team and it was overall a disaster that last season Finnish junior C fourth's dropped into lower serie. Peltomaa and Halava started to train with junior A in some point of the season, but when the ground is made wrong the whole season was not as impressive as it was thought it would be. But they both remained in the body of the Finnish U17 team (except when injured) and that was a good sign. If next season goes well I am sure that at least either Peltomaa or Halava will be drafted on 2005, and I am not surprised if both of them will.

You were right on Sulin, he is a solid stay-at-home defender, got to admit that he will not be drafted in his time but possibly later as overager if he develops. He has lots of similarity with Pauli Levokari, though his point production is not good as Pauli's.

Joonas Itäjärvi was the reason why Ässät won bronze on junior C, he didn't stop Ilves (no-one stopped) but he played well and got better playoff stats than hyped Niko Hovinen for example. And he shut Blues out on the bronze game with 49 saves. Ässät don't have a goalie coach yet, that's a bit bad for his future. Jesse Jyrkkiö is a son of a former Ässät and Finnish international player Juha. He has been playing mostly in C2 -level and played only few junior C games, but was already one of the best defs of that team. I have heard from many different persons that he is one of the best players in 1989 age group. I have never seen him playing (because of his hiding in C2), but I have understood he is good with puck and a good skater, just like his dad was.

IFK
05-27-2004, 06:35 PM
Ässät junior B had a really bad season start. Their coach really overtrained them and they played really poor games with wrong tactics. They struggled from match to match ending to the lower serie. They changed coach after the poor eastern Finland tour, big defeats to SaiPa and KooKoo and started to win and secured their place for next season. That's the main reason why Peltomaa's, Halava's and Huhtanen's stats are not so impressive. Ässät junior B is however a potential team and it was overall a disaster that last season Finnish junior C fourth's dropped into lower serie. Peltomaa and Halava started to train with junior A in some point of the season, but when the ground is made wrong the whole season was not as impressive as it was thought it would be. But they both remained in the body of the Finnish U17 team (except when injured) and that was a good sign. If next season goes well I am sure that at least either Peltomaa or Halava will be drafted on 2005, and I am not surprised if both of them will.

You were right on Sulin, he is a solid stay-at-home defender, got to admit that he will not be drafted in his time but possibly later as overager if he develops. He has lots of similarity with Pauli Levokari, though his point production is not good as Pauli's.

Joonas Itäjärvi was the reason why Ässät won bronze on junior C, he didn't stop Ilves (no-one stopped) but he played well and got better playoff stats than hyped Niko Hovinen for example. And he shut Blues out on the bronze game with 49 saves. Ässät don't have a goalie coach yet, that's a bit bad for his future. Jesse Jyrkkiö is a son of a former Ässät and Finnish international player Juha. He has been playing mostly in C2 -level and played only few junior C games, but was already one of the best defs of that team. I have heard from many different persons that he is one of the best players in 1989 age group. I have never seen him playing (because of his hiding in C2), but I have understood he is good with puck and a good skater, just like his dad was.

Thank you to answer. Those player souds very effective and i´m suprised that Assat was producting damn good prospects lately. That Itajarvi and Jyrkkio sounds good players, but i won´t list 2007 draft yet.

I was thinking that there Assat B is have to be somethig going on cause that Halava, Huhtanen and Peltomaa look creat everywhere else, but B-juniors theyr points sucks. I hope that Sulin come to someday mean (good way) player cause we need Finland decent stay-at-home defs like Ossi Vaananen is.

Big Kov
05-29-2004, 01:41 PM
What can be said about Viuhkola? Hes seemed to improve every year and is now among tops in the Finnish elite league. What kind of player to you see him as?

IFK
05-29-2004, 03:30 PM
What can be said about Viuhkola? Hes seemed to improve every year and is now among tops in the Finnish elite league. What kind of player to you see him as?

I think he has potential come to good 2-3 line center. He has exellent vision on the ice, hockey sense and playmaking skills. He is allso very good in defensive zone. He is little bit soft and i think that could be main reason that he wont yet in NHL. Allso he´s skating ability is very average. I say he is poor man Mikko Koivu.

Flonaldo
05-29-2004, 04:50 PM
Great list, much appreciated. Just take Hahl out of the prospects column after 3 NHL seasons and 126 games with the Avs :-)

IFK
05-30-2004, 10:11 AM
Great list, much appreciated. Just take Hahl out of the prospects column after 3 NHL seasons and 126 games with the Avs :-)

Yes, my purpose was to pick this list all 80´s or later born Finnish player who has potential to come NHL player or players who played already in NHL. Not only prospect. I´m sorry if i lead you lost that my thread title. There is Ossi Vaananen too who is also gratuated.

When that draft weekend is over i going to do new list and i drop those 80´s born players out and then 81´s born players is oldiest that list.

Vic Rattlehead*
05-30-2004, 12:27 PM
Goaltenders

Already in the NHL/AHL

Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta
Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
Antero Niittymaki -80 (Philadelphia)
Ari Ahonen -81 (New Jersey)



Really good prospects here. :bow:

Slime
05-31-2004, 02:00 PM
Really good prospects here. :bow:

Too bad they're all goalies. :cry: We can't win if our future is made up of just Tuomo Ruutu and Joni Pitkänen with a dozen amazing goaltenders.

jepjepjoo
06-01-2004, 07:17 AM
Too bad they're all goalies. :cry: We can't win if our future is made up of just Tuomo Ruutu and Joni Pitkänen with a dozen amazing goaltenders.

Tukonen,Nokelainen,Korpikoski,Seitsonen,Joensuu,La akso,Korhonen,Leppänen...?

Slime
06-01-2004, 08:35 AM
Tukonen,Nokelainen,Korpikoski,Seitsonen,Joensuu,La akso,Korhonen,Leppänen...?

Yes yes, Ruutu - Joensuu - Tukonen are good. But right now, in them we only have the natural replacements for Lehtinen - Koivu - Selänne. We need 4-5 more guys like them if Finland is going to be considered equal with the other top 6 nations going into future tournaments (except Canada of course).

In the last century Swe, Rus, Cze and USA all have had 8-10 guys among the top 100 scorers in the NHL constantly, while Finland has had only 3 or 4. You see, from the '75 to '82 age groups we only got Olli Jokinen as an "elite" forward, and even he wouldn't be able to earn a spot on the first two lines on any of the mentioned teams (not now, nor future). That's the big disappointment as I see it, those 8 "lost" years.

Who knows what comes after Joensuu (1987), but if we look at the WC 2008 and Olympics 2010, we still won't have the same top material as the others (except Sweden who is on a decline and won't be blessed with enough replacements for Forsberg - Näslund - Sundin - Alfredsson - Nylander - Lidström - Öhlund etc).

Famous Flames
06-02-2004, 04:16 PM
Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)

Who is this? I've never heard of him as a Dallas prospect.

Dr GLU
06-02-2004, 04:45 PM
Who is this? I've never heard of him as a Dallas prospect.


5th round pick last year, and he was the U-18 WJC goalie for Finland last year.

Raimo Sillanpää
06-03-2004, 01:50 AM
Yes yes, Ruutu - Joensuu - Tukonen are good. But right now, in them we only have the natural replacements for Lehtinen - Koivu - Selänne. We need 4-5 more guys like them if Finland is going to be considered equal with the other top 6 nations going into future tournaments (except Canada of course).

In the last century Swe, Rus, Cze and USA all have had 8-10 guys among the top 100 scorers in the NHL constantly, while Finland has had only 3 or 4. You see, from the '75 to '82 age groups we only got Olli Jokinen as an "elite" forward, and even he wouldn't be able to earn a spot on the first two lines on any of the mentioned teams (not now, nor future). That's the big disappointment as I see it, those 8 "lost" years.

Who knows what comes after Joensuu (1987), but if we look at the WC 2008 and Olympics 2010, we still won't have the same top material as the others (except Sweden who is on a decline and won't be blessed with enough replacements for Forsberg - Näslund - Sundin - Alfredsson - Nylander - Lidström - Öhlund etc).


Wioth Forsberg, Nylander and Sundin soon gone, Sweden would give Princess Madeleine for OJ if they could..

Robertsson 4-ever
06-03-2004, 05:54 AM
Wioth Forsberg, Nylander and Sundin soon gone, Sweden would give Princess Madeleine for OJ if they could..

:joker: We're not that desperate.

Hopefully all of Henrik Zetterberg, Henrik Sedin and Alexander Steen will turn out to be better players than Olli Jokinen.

Raimo Sillanpää
06-03-2004, 06:13 AM
:joker: We're not that desperate.

Hopefully all of Henrik Zetterberg, Henrik Sedin and Alexander Steen will turn out to be better players than Olli Jokinen.

Quite optimistic.
On a better team, sedin's best season is 42 points, Jokinen's last season is 58 points and best season is 65 points.

Zetterberg has potential to be better, but Jokinen also has potentila to be better, it would be unwise to predict which'd be better now as there is much yet to see.

Steen has yet to play an NHL game and his SEL numbers aren't comparable to Jokinen's SML numbers. But he too, has potential, but we'll have to wait and see.

But none of them are guaranteed to be better than Olli, considering Olli is a captain, he brings more to the table and is thus more valuable. With Forsberg/Lidström/Sundin going, Olli would make a good captain for Sweden in the future..

Slime
06-03-2004, 09:20 AM
Quite optimistic.
On a better team, sedin's best season is 42 points, Jokinen's last season is 58 points and best season is 65 points.

Com'on, thats an unfair comparison. Jokinen gets on average something like 22 mins ice time/game, while H Sedin has got about 13-14 mins. It's just a matter of time before the Sedins will get real 2nd line ice time if not more, and that would mean 17-18 mins, and lead to Henrik getting +55 pts. And if he would get the same kind of huge responsibility that OJ has on his team he would already score more than OJ, even though he is 2 years younger. Overall, I'd say they're about equal in value for a national team, if we're looking ahead to the coming 5-7 years.

Zetterberg has potential to be better, but Jokinen also has potentila to be better, it would be unwise to predict which'd be better now as there is much yet to see.

Steen has yet to play an NHL game and his SEL numbers aren't comparable to Jokinen's SML numbers.

I hate to say it but Zetterberg is already as good as OJ if not better, IMO he is. (Again, it's a guy two years younger.)

And you can't compare Steens numbers in the SEL with OJ's in SM-liiga, because OJ's were just marvelous but he didn't fullfill the expectations for his NHL-career based on those numbers. Based on the SM-liiga stats OJ should be a 1.0 PPG player, but he isn't, not even close. Steen is predicted as a 60 pt NHL-er just like OJ.

With Forsberg/Lidström/Sundin going, Olli would make a good captain for Sweden in the future..

I'll give you that. I like OJ as a captain because he has an aura of self confidence and coolness when you see him on the ice.

Flonaldo
06-03-2004, 09:54 AM
Com'on, thats an unfair comparison. Jokinen gets on average something like 22 mins ice time/game, while H Sedin has got about 13-14 mins. It's just a matter of time before the Sedins will get real 2nd line ice time if not more, and that would mean 17-18 mins, and lead to Henrik getting +55 pts. And if he would get the same kind of huge responsibility that OJ has on his team he would already score more than OJ, even though he is 2 years younger. Overall, I'd say they're about equal in value for a national team, if we're looking ahead to the coming 5-7 years.How come is it just a matter of time? Ain't no coach in the NHL that's going to hand out extra ice time just because a guy has paid his dues or has played for x seasons or whatever. The only way you're going to get 1st or 2nd line minutes is by playing like a 1st or 2nd liner.

OJ grabbed himself by the neck and earned his minutes. He looked like a lost cause, relegated to checking line duty for the rest of his career. The Sedins have to turn around their game, no-one else is going to do it for them and nothing's going to be handed to them.

Agree on Z and I'm love with Steen after watching him at the WJC's, talking to him and doing an interview him. Great kid with a big future ahead of him.

jepjepjoo
06-03-2004, 10:11 AM
Is Slime really Finnish? All his posts are about how bad Finland's future is,finding negative things on our prospects and how bad our players are now. On the other hand he's really overrating swedish prospects and talking about how great the swedish league is. A true Finnish man would be overrating Finnish prospects and Finnish hockey in general :)

Slime
06-03-2004, 02:27 PM
Is Slime really Finnish?

Hehe, yes I am. Well, at least half finnish. :blush:
I think all those finnish defeats during two decades have made me a bit of a pessimist. I've felt too much pain and misery for always hoping so much, but then watch Finland lose once again. :cry:

All his posts are about how bad Finland's future is,finding negative things on our prospects and how bad our players are now. On the other hand he's really overrating swedish prospects and talking about how great the swedish league is. A true Finnish man would be overrating Finnish prospects and Finnish hockey in general :)

I'm not saying Finlands future is bad, because it is bright! I'm very confident that in 10 years Finland will be as strong as Swe, Cze, Rus and the US, because everything points to that. But I guess I'm a bit impatient because the wait has been so long... and there are still three big tournaments (2 world cups and one olympics) ahead of us before we are there.

And I'm not saying the swedish league is any better than SM-liiga. What I always count in as a factor though when judging prospects, is that for some strange reason finnish players don't seem to reach their NHL-potential as well as the players from other nations. I'm not sure what it is, if it's a mental thing or what (lack of winner instinct? not enough confidence? the finnish curse?), but history keeps repeating itself. You always see swedes like Daniel Alfredsson, P-J Axelsson, Magnus Arvedsson, Fredrik Modin, Andreas Johansson, Nils Ekman, Thomas Holmström, and Henrik Zetterberg (guys that were drafted late) popping up from nowhere (most of them haven't even dominated in the SEL), surprising everybody and becoming great players. But with finns it's the other way around. This is a phenomenon I've observed during the last 10-12 years.

That's why I think that even though most people regard the swedish prospects as weaker than the finnish ones, Sweden will still be just as good (both in terms of NHL representation and in the tournaments), because their prospects develop better. Most people aren't aware of that factor (and probably aren't willing to realize there is). :)

IFK
06-27-2004, 02:24 PM
Goaltenders

Already in the NHL/AHL

Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
Ari Ahonen -81 (New Jersey)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
Joni Puurula, HPK -82 (Montreal)
Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
Matti Kaltiainen, NCAA -82 (Boston)
Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
Pekka Rinne, Karpat -82 (Nashville)
Antti Jokela, ? -81 (Carolina)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Tuukka Rask, Ilves -87 (1 Round)
Jani Nieminen, HIFK -87
Tero Parkkinen, K-67 -87
Juha Toivonen, HPK -87
Aleksis Ahlqvist, JYP -86

2006 Eligible

Jesse Kosonen, TPS -87
Niko Hovinen, Jokerit -88

Defensemen

Already in the NHL/AHL

Joni Pitkanen -83 (Philadelphia)
Lasse Kukkonen -81 (Chicago)
Juha Alen -81 (Anaheim)
Mikko Viitanen -82 (Colorado)
Teemu Kesa, -81 (New Jersey)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Jyri Marttinen, JYP -82 (Calgary)
Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
Janne Niskala, Lukko -81 (Nashville)
Tuukka Mantyla, Lulea/Sweden -81 (Los Angeles)
Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
Olli Malmivaara, Saipa -82 (Chicago)
Tuukka Makela, HPK -82 (Boston)
Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
Tero Maatta, -82 Blues (San Jose)
Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Anaheim)
Jaakko Harikkala, Lukko -81 (Boston)
Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
Markus Seikola, TPS -82 (Toronto)
Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)
Arto Tukio, Frölunda/Sweden -81 (Ny Islanders)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Teemu Laakso, HIFK -87 (1 Round)
Risto Korhonen, Karpat -86 (1 Round)
Erkka Leppanen, JYP -86 (1-3 Round)
Timo Seppanen, HIFK -87
Joni Haverinen, HIFK -87
Juho Mielonen, Ilves -87
Tomi Tuomainen, Kalpa -87
Tommi Leinonen, Karpat -87
Rony Ahonen, HIFK -87
Lari Virkki, HPK -87
Mikko Kuukka, Red Deer -86
Tuomas Gardstrom, Kookoo -86

2006 Eligible

Juha-Petteri Purolinna, HIFK -88
Robert Tenhunen, HIFK -88
Antti Savolainen, Ilves -88
Ville Kymalainen, Tappara -88

Forwards

Already in the NHL/AHL

Tuomo Ruutu -83 (Chicago)
Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
Jani Rita -81 (Edmonton)
Tony Salmelainen -81 (Edmonton)
Tuomas Pihlman -82 (New Jersey)
Ilkka Pikkarainen -81 (New Jersey)
Janne Jokila, ECHL -82 (Columbus)

Still in Finland/Juniors

Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
Jarkko Immonen, JYP -82 (NY Rangers)
Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
Janne Pesonen, Karpat -82 (Anaheim)
Joonas Vihko, HIFK -81 (Anaheim)
Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
Kim Hirschovits, HIFK -82 (Ny Rangers)
Sami Venalainen, Tappara -81 (Phoenix)
Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
Teemu Laine, Tappara -82 (New Jersey)
Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
Joni Lindlof, Tappara -84 (Washington)
Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
Juhamatti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
Toni Koivisto, Lukko -82 (Florida)
Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
Samu Isosalo, Lukko -81 (Atlanta)

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Miika Lahti, JYP -87 (1 Round)
Perttu Lindgren, Ilves -87
Matti Huilla, Ilves -86
Mikko Lehtonen, Blues -87
Sami-Petteri Sandell, Ilves -87
Joona Karevaara, HPK -87
Miika Varjonen, Tuto -87
Jussi Peltomaa, Assat -87
Tuomas Huhtanen, Assat -87
Mika Halava, Assat -87
Antti Holli, Ilves -87
Antti Ruokonen, Saipa -87
Janne Kolehmainen, Saipa -86
Jarmo Jokila, TPS -86
Petteri Wirtanen, HPK -86
Tommi Laine, TPS -86
Jesse Uronen, Jokerit -86
Antti Jaatinen, Tappara -86

2006 Eligible

Jesse Joensuu, Assat -87 (1 Round)
Oskar Osala, Sport -87 (1-2 Round)
Jonas Enlund, HIFK -87 (1-3 Round)
Robert Nyholm, HIFK -88 (1-3 Round)
Teemu Ramsted, HIFK -87
Tommi Huhtala, Ilves -87
Teemu Mustaniemi, HIFK -87
Taneli Jaatinen, Ilves -88
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves -88
Kai Kantola Pelicans -87
Tommi Leinonen, Karpat -87
Juha Ruohomaa, Assat -87

If there is some player who missing that list then tell me and if he is decent player i maybe put him on the list.

I changed those list and there ís now all finnish drafted 81' or later born players so i take every 80' born players out of that list.

Fat Elvis
06-27-2004, 09:01 PM
Loa Angeles has 5 players on that list:
Tuuka Mantyla
Lauri Tukonen
Valtteri Tenkanen
Henrik Juntunen
Tuukka Pulliainen
How would you rate them in terms of talent and potential, and do you see any of them to be NHL contributers in the future? Thanks

Chaos
06-27-2004, 11:15 PM
Stars also have 5 there:

Eero Kilpelainen(G)
Niko Vainio(D)
Jussi Jokinen(F)
Tuomas Mikkonen(F)
Jarkko A. Immonen(F)

Same question as Elvi; What kind of talent/potential does each have, and what do you see the max potential/production being? Also, what do you realistically see them doing in their careers? Thanks.

Flonaldo
06-28-2004, 02:01 AM
Loa Angeles has 5 players on that list:
Tuuka Mantyla
Lauri Tukonen
Valtteri Tenkanen
Henrik Juntunen
Tuukka Pulliainen
How would you rate them in terms of talent and potential, and do you see any of them to be NHL contributers in the future? ThanksMäntylä is a mini-sized offensive d-man. Even with guys like Timonen and Zidlicky making the jump I can't see Mäntylä ever playing in the NHL. Mäntylä is a scrapper, kind of like a little terrier hanging onto your leg in his own end. A very good playmaker and passer, good rusher.

Tukonen is the genuine artifact. An all-rounder. He's three-four years ahead of the learning curve when comparing with a "normal" Finnish youngster. He was playing Tier II at 15, SM-liiga at 17. For anyone else but the brightest of future stars you could add those four years to those numbers. Strong, skilled, fast. Not a 100pt. producer but a solid 1st-2nd liner with good point production, more goals than assists.

Juntunen is a long shot. He's stuck as a 3rd-4th liner and I don't see any progress. Decent size but doesn't use it or play physical. Not enough skill or a scorer's touch to play on the higher lines.

Fat Elvis
06-28-2004, 09:45 AM
Mäntylä is a mini-sized offensive d-man. Even with guys like Timonen and Zidlicky making the jump I can't see Mäntylä ever playing in the NHL. Mäntylä is a scrapper, kind of like a little terrier hanging onto your leg in his own end. A very good playmaker and passer, good rusher.

Tukonen is the genuine artifact. An all-rounder. He's three-four years ahead of the learning curve when comparing with a "normal" Finnish youngster. He was playing Tier II at 15, SM-liiga at 17. For anyone else but the brightest of future stars you could add those four years to those numbers. Strong, skilled, fast. Not a 100pt. producer but a solid 1st-2nd liner with good point production, more goals than assists.

Juntunen is a long shot. He's stuck as a 3rd-4th liner and I don't see any progress. Decent size but doesn't use it or play physical. Not enough skill or a scorer's touch to play on the higher lines.

Thank you very much. Mantyla came over for a prospects weekend and showed a ton of skill but just wayyy too small to be effective. I wonder if he could play wing? Thanks again.

IFK
06-29-2004, 09:00 AM
I make TOP 45 list drafted finnish player swho has born 83' or later.

1. Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
2. Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
3. Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
4. Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
5. Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
7. Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
8. Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
9. Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
10. Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
11. Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
12. Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
13. Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
14. Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
15. Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
16. Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
17. Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
18. Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
19. Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
20. Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Anaheim)
21. Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
22. Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
23. Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
24. Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
25. Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
26. Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
27. Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
28. Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
29. Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
30. Juha-matti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
31. Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
32. Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
33. Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
34. Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
35. Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
36. Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
37. Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
38. Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
39. Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
40. Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
41. Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
42. Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
43. Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
44. Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
45. Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)

Pekka Lampinen
06-29-2004, 03:05 PM
With Tukonen, Nokelainen, Korpikoski, Koivu, Jokinen, Miettinen, Bergenheim, Immonen, Filppula, Niinimäki, Pihlman, Marjamäki, Seitsonen and Salonen Finland has impressive depth up front despite being starved for top-line-bound forwards. I like to think Kiprusoff's breakout was a result of Finland flooding the continent with goalies, that was bound to happen to some Finn. Here's hoping the same happens among these guys eventually.

f1nn
06-29-2004, 04:49 PM
I make TOP 45 list drafted finnish player swho has born 83' or later.

1. Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
2. Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
3. Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
4. Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
5. Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
7. Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
8. Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
9. Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
10. Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
11. Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
12. Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
13. Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
14. Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
15. Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
16. Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
17. Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
18. Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
19. Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
20. Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Tampa Bay)
21. Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
22. Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
23. Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
24. Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
25. Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
26. Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
27. Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
28. Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
29. Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
30. Juha-matti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
31. Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
32. Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
33. Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
34. Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
35. Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
36. Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
37. Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
38. Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
39. Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
40. Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
41. Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
42. Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
43. Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
44. Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
45. Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)


how about Tuomo Ruutu? Is miettinen born after 83?

Chaos
06-29-2004, 05:07 PM
Is miettinen born after 83?

Miettinen was born in 1980.

f1nn
06-29-2004, 05:08 PM
Miettinen was born in 1980.


my bad lol

jepjepjoo
06-30-2004, 06:55 AM
how about Tuomo Ruutu? Is miettinen born after 83?

I think he meant prospects... there's no Joni Pitkänen either

Raimo Sillanpää
06-30-2004, 08:16 AM
Toivonen, Lassila and Jokinen past Mikko Koivu..
then Jesse Joensuu and Tuukka Rask past Koivu as well, or why is it 83-86 only??

Biggs
07-08-2004, 05:44 PM
Finland has many prospective forwards and goalies too. There is also few good d-men coming but do they haw good stay-at-home-defencemen or hardhitting and though d-men like in 87 or 88 borned players? Finland has always had offensive- defencemen like Janne Niinimaa or Kimmo Timonen but not very good stay-at-homers. So do you think there is any big, though, mean, maybe nasty goodhitting defensivewizards coming? They are wanted in NHL and all the way in europe. So if anyone knows any open your mouths and say it please thanks :banana:

TK79
07-15-2004, 05:48 AM
Hehe, yes I am. Well, at least half finnish. :blush:
I think all those finnish defeats during two decades have made me a bit of a pessimist. I've felt too much pain and misery for always hoping so much, but then watch Finland lose once again. :cry:



I'm not saying Finlands future is bad, because it is bright! I'm very confident that in 10 years Finland will be as strong as Swe, Cze, Rus and the US, because everything points to that. But I guess I'm a bit impatient because the wait has been so long... and there are still three big tournaments (2 world cups and one olympics) ahead of us before we are there.

And I'm not saying the swedish league is any better than SM-liiga. What I always count in as a factor though when judging prospects, is that for some strange reason finnish players don't seem to reach their NHL-potential as well as the players from other nations. I'm not sure what it is, if it's a mental thing or what (lack of winner instinct? not enough confidence? the finnish curse?), but history keeps repeating itself. You always see swedes like Daniel Alfredsson, P-J Axelsson, Magnus Arvedsson, Fredrik Modin, Andreas Johansson, Nils Ekman, Thomas Holmström, and Henrik Zetterberg (guys that were drafted late) popping up from nowhere (most of them haven't even dominated in the SEL), surprising everybody and becoming great players. But with finns it's the other way around. This is a phenomenon I've observed during the last 10-12 years.

That's why I think that even though most people regard the swedish prospects as weaker than the finnish ones, Sweden will still be just as good (both in terms of NHL representation and in the tournaments), because their prospects develop better. Most people aren't aware of that factor (and probably aren't willing to realize there is). :)

How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?

Panopticon
07-16-2004, 12:18 AM
How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?

Holmström is pretty solid... those others are weak.

Prussian_Blue
07-26-2004, 08:40 PM
What can any of you tell me about Juhamatti Tapio Aaltonen?

Seems to be quite the goal-scorer (49 goals in the last two Finnish junior seasons). How's his skating, stickhandling, physical play, etc.?

Any information will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Tilley Fan
07-27-2004, 10:58 AM
What about 17 yr old dman Riku Korpanean (sp)?

He is coming here to play this upcoming season, (PEI of the Q) and just wondering if their is any info on him.

Thanks.

Dundalis
07-28-2004, 06:25 PM
Why is Jokinen ranked so low?

Dundalis
07-28-2004, 06:26 PM
Stars also have 5 there:

Eero Kilpelainen(G)
Niko Vainio(D)
Jussi Jokinen(F)
Tuomas Mikkonen(F)
Jarkko A. Immonen(F)

Same question as Elvi; What kind of talent/potential does each have, and what do you see the max potential/production being? Also, what do you realistically see them doing in their careers? Thanks.
Anyone answer?

Padawan
07-29-2004, 06:32 AM
Anyone answer?
I can asnwer about Mikkonen. His last season was a dissappointment. He can hit good but that's about all. His first season showed promise of a lot more but the second was bad. He didn't score the amount of goals that was expected, no good passes, pretty much all he did was tackled some guys to the boards and even that he didn't enough. He seemed to lack the passion to play 100% every shift.

His stats for last season were: 43 games 5+3=8 -12 8PIM. Not good. He played alot in the second and third line. The bottom line, he has to find his passion to play 100% again or it's bye, bye imo.

IMO Jarkko A. Immonen is the best prospect of the bunch, but I haven't seen other guys enough than Mikkonen to make my final judgement.

Chaos
07-29-2004, 08:26 AM
Why is Jokinen ranked so low?

He doesnt have an older brother in the NHL, he wasnt a high 1st rounder, and he's a Stars prospect

Padawan
07-29-2004, 09:09 AM
He doesnt have an older brother in the NHL, he wasnt a high 1st rounder, and he's a Stars prospect
Or maybe, just maybe he isn't that good to be higher than he is now.

Chaos
07-29-2004, 09:26 AM
Or maybe, just maybe he isn't that good to be higher than he is now.

But Koivu, who he has outproduced each year since their draft year, deserves to be #3?

Padawan
07-29-2004, 11:55 AM
But Koivu, who he has outproduced each year since their draft year, deserves to be #3?

No. I'd rather see him much lower as I would see Jokinen. I would also like to see Marjamäki higher and others too. I don't totally agree with that list but there are few players in the most likely position.

Slime
07-31-2004, 06:50 AM
How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?

Well, of course "great" isn't the right word. It would have been enough if I had said "decent" or "solid" players to prove my point. What I meant is, and I'm sure you understood that, was that these guys developed much better than expected, much better than their finnish counterparts that also were drafted low. :)

IFK
01-14-2005, 04:44 AM
Goaltenders

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Tuukka Rask, Ilves 10.03.87/SM: 4 87,50/A: 17 92,97
Jani Nieminen, HIFK 28.07.87/SM: 8 0.000/A: 22 89,51
Juha Toivonen, HPK 10.06.87/A: 9 88,99
Antti Härmä, Blues 05.01.87/SM: 2 0.000/A: 23 90,59

Aleksis Ahlqvist, JYP 28.03.86/SM: 1 0.000/A: 21 92,41

2006 Eligible

Niko Hovinen, Jokerit 16.03.88/A: 3 91,95/B: 13 95,12
Jesse Kosonen, TPS 25.10.87/A: 1 88,24/B: 16 92,05

Defensemen

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Teemu Laakso, HIFK 27.08.87/SM: 7 0+2=2/A: 20 5+4=9
Erkka Leppänen, JYP 25.11.86/SM: 6 0+0=0/A: 25 3+3=6
Mikko Haapanen, TPS 29.09.86/A: 27 8+10=18
Tommi Leinonen, Kärpät 14.05.87/A: 28 7+8=15/B: 1 0+0=0
Risto Korhonen, Kärpät 27.11.86/A: 27 4+8=12
Timo Seppänen, HIFK 22.07.87/A: 30 2+4=6
Tomi Tuomainen, Kalpa 12.03.87/A: 20 3+2=5
Lari Virkki, HPK 02.05.87/A: 19 2+3=5/B: 16 5+2=7
Mikael Kurki, Jokerit 13.01.87/A: 24 2+3=5/B: 7 5+2=7
Toni Hinkkanen, Saipa 13.12.86/A: 25 2+4=6
Juho Mielonen, Ilves 01.03.87/A: 27 0+6=6/B: 1 0+1=1
Niko Hannula, Ilves 15.02.87/A: 29 1+3=4/B: 1 0+0=0
Rony Ahonen, HIFK 17.01.87/A: 12 1+1=2/B: 15 5+12=19
Joni Haverinen, HIFK 17.05.87/A: 24 0+1=1/B: 3 2+3=5
Henrik Maunula, TPS 08.03.87/A: 13 0+0=0/B: 4 1+2=3
Kim Kauttonen, TPS 15.01.87/A: 2 0+0=0/B: 19 0+3=3

Jani Forsström, Pelicans 19.02.86/SM: 1 0+0=0/A: 30 4+8=12
Tuomas Gärdström, KooKoo 12.07.86/Mestis: 20 0+0=0/A-div: 10 2+4=6

2006 Eligible

Antti Jaatinen, JYP 24.09.87/A: 24 3+1=4/B: 2 0+1=1
Eetu Heikkinen, Ässät 08.07.88/A: 28 0+1=1/B: 3 0+0=0
Lauri Seppä, HPK 16.12.87/A: 8 1+0=1/B: 8 1+1=2
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves 03.09.88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 22 7+4=11
Joni Korhonen, Jokerit 17.02.88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 19 1+5=6
Joonas Lehtivuori, Ilves 19.07.88/B: 18 2+9=11
Juha-Petteri Purolinna, HIFK 11.07.88/B: 13 5+5=10
Joonas Jalvanti, Pelicans 09.09.88/B: 21 2+6=8
Mikko Kukkonen, Kalpa 19.01.88/B: 17 2+4=6
Robert Tenhunen, HIFK 01.07.88/B: 14 2+1=3
Juha Ruohomaa, Ässät 08.10.87/B: 16 2+0=2

2007 Eligible

Jesse Jyrkkiö, Ässät 29.06.89/B: 22 4+7=11

Forwards

Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Mikko Lehtonen, Blues 01.04.87/SM: 1 0+0=0/A: 28 4+9=13/B: 1 1+0=1
Tuomas Kiiskinen, Kalpa 07.10.86/Mestis: 1 0+0=0/A: 30 13+16=29
Perttu Lindgren, Ilves 26.08.87/A: 28 10+20=30
Jarkko Hattunen, Lukko 22.01.87/A: 29 8+13=21/B-div: 1 0+2=2
Joonas Riekkinen, Kalpa 11.08.87/A: 29 4+10=14/B: 2 0+1=1
Miika Lahti, JYP 06.02.87/A: 23 7+6=13
Ville Korhonen, Ilves 20.05.87/A:28 6+6=12/B:1 0+1=1
Joona Karevaara, HPK 16.08.87/A: 18 4+4=8/B: 10 9+5=14
Tuomas Huhtanen, Ässät 16.03.87/A: 16 1+5=6/B: 16 8+5=13
Jussi Peltomaa, Ässät 24.06.87/A: 25 3+4=7/B: 9 4+3=7
Antti Hölli, Ilves 16.07.87/A: 14 2+3=5/B: 4 0+0=0
Mika Halava, Ässät 20.05.87/A: 20 1+4=5/B: 10 4+6=10
Marko Pöyhönen, Pelicans 10.09.87/A: 14 1+3=4/B: 19 6+13=19

Miika Varjonen, TuTo 25.01.87/A-div: 8 2+2=4
Sami-Petteri Sandell, Wheat Kings 01.03.87/WHL: 26 0+3=3

Jarmo Jokila, TPS 13.02.86/SM: 9 1+0=1/A: 27 13+15=28
Petteri Wirtanen, HPK 28.05.86/SM: 5 0+0=0/A: 29 8+16=24
Janne Kolehmainen, Saipa 22.03.86/SM: 26 1+0=1/A: 13 2+4=6
Jesse Uronen, Jokerit 16.03.86/A: 30 26+14=40

2006 Eligible

Jesse Joensuu, Ässät 05.10.87/SM: 32 1+0=1/A: 10 6+7=13
Oskar Osala, Sport 26.12.87/Mestis: 11 1+2=2/A-div: 15 11+12=23/B: 2 0+1=1
Jonas Enlund, HIFK 03.11.87/A: 29 10+13=23
Tommi Huhtala, Ilves 07.12.87/A: 24 8+3=11/B: 3 0+3=3
Joonas Kemppainen, Ässät 07.04.88/A: 27 5+5=10/B: 5 3+0=3
Robert Nyholm, HIFK 07.03.88/A: 28 5+5=10/B: 1 1+0=1
Teemu Ramsted, HIFK 09.12.87/A: 11 1+4=5/B: 16 16+12=28
Taneli Jaatinen, Tappara 26.01.88/A: 15 0+2=2/B: 12 4+5=9
Teemu Mustaniemi, HIFK 31.12.87/A: 20 0+2=2/B: 9 5+5=10
Max Wärn, HIFK 10.06.88/A: 3 0+0=0/B: 18 5+8=13
Kim Strömberg, Jokerit 08.12.87/A: 4 0+0=0/B: 22 17+17=34
Jan-Mikael Juutilainen, Jokerit 05.01.88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 23 13+5=18
Lassi Mattila, Ilves 20.12.87/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 23 17+10=27
Valtteri Skyttä, KooKoo 17.11.87/A-div: 9 2+4=6/B: 18 13+11=24
Jori Lehterä, Jokerit 23.12.87/B: 23 8+28=36
Juuso Puustinen, Kalpa 05.04.88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 22 11+13=24
Nico Aaltonen, HIFK 15.6.88/B: 22 13+3=16
Ilkka Heikkilä, JYP 01.07.88/A: 1 0+0=0/B: 21 8+11=19
Antti Reivonen, TPS 13.02.88/A: 2 0+0=0/B: 18 8+6=14
Jan-Mikael Järvinen, Ilves 26.02.88/B: 16 4+9=13

Kai Kantola, Fargo-Moorhead Jets 09.11.87/NAHL: 27 4+6=10


2007 Eligible

Jani Savolainen, Kalpa 05.10.88/A: 19 4+6=10/B: 10 6+0=6
Amir Palmen, HIFK 04.10.88/B: 17 6+13=19
Henrik Skouen, Blues 25.10.88/B: 14 2+3=5

Raimo Sillanpää
01-14-2005, 05:27 AM
Osala, iirc scored goal the 3-0 goal yesterday in Sport's 4-0 win over Salamat.

psycho_dad
01-14-2005, 10:47 AM
Hehe, yes I am. Well, at least half finnish.


Well it must be the part that doesnt hold heart or brain, since you seem to dislike every finnish prospect and current players, and your reasoning about them vs. swedish prospects is ridiculous. Takes Finland 10 years to get on Swedens level? Yes, if we would go back in time, but usually people talk about the future and not the past. If you dont believe me, you can look up all the mens teams games and all junior games since 1994 and I guarantee Finland has the upper hand. By quite a margin.

Finnish prospects have been much better than the swedish for years now. Even this year when Finland had a young team that was supposed to be the worst one in a decade, they still beat the Swedes twice.

Zetterberg is nowhere near Jokinen yet. He just does not play as physical as Jokinen. Maybe some day, but I doubt it. Sedins...I dont want to even hear about that joke.

Where are your Lehtonen, Ruutu, Pitkänen? Or Toivonen, Ahonen, Niittymäki?

It's funny that a swede (pretending to be a finn) is here telling us how it will take 10 years from Finland to rise to Swedens level, when on the same boards, under the WJC section the rest of the world is talking about whether Sweden is a "3rd world hockey country".

McSorley 33
02-10-2005, 07:19 PM
[B]ATTENTION[B] Hello their my friends from Finland! We here in L.A. and Orange County have one of your future stars and would like some help. Their is very little information about Lauri that I could find and figured I ask the source. I was wondering if some of you guys can make your way over to our board and tell us about our future star. Example, is he a power forward like I hear. Is he a pure goal scorer. Is he a big open ice hitter or a leader in the locker room. Is he down with the face punching. You know, these sort of questions would be great. Once again thank you for your time

MARTY 33

Again,Los Angeles Kings/Tukonen Love you man!!!

Olorin
02-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Would anyone be able to give me a scouting report on Mikko Lehtonen and other top forwards prospects for 2005?

Evil Speaker
02-17-2005, 01:00 AM
T's Finnish Prospect teams:

Korpikoski-Nokelainen-Tukonen
Lepisto-Niskala
Lehtonen

Jokinen-Koivu-Salmelainen
Korpikari-Tukio
Toivonen

Miettinen-Immonen-Laine
Kukkonen-Mantymaa
Niittymaki

Marjamaki-Filppula-Bergenheim
Kalteva-Laakso
Ahonen

Pihlman-Niinimaki-Joensuu
Malmivaara-Korhonen
Lassila


Please tell me if I have missed any players.

Raimo Sillanpää
02-17-2005, 04:13 AM
move bergenheim to right-wing, insert Filppula

insert Jesse Joensuu on either wing.

Evil Speaker
02-18-2005, 02:52 PM
move bergenheim to right-wing, insert Filppula

insert Jesse Joensuu on either wing.

Okay thanks. What do you think about the defensive pairings, are there better D-men out there that i should add?

miss hockey
02-19-2005, 04:08 AM
Laakso and Korhonen, young but have the talent and will mature and be future national team members.

Id like to see Nyholm make it too, he's a forward and only 16 so its hard to judge so far, but I really hope he makes it.

mattihp
02-19-2005, 12:04 PM
Lespisto-Niskala

Lepistö.

Tukio

If you're not going to have the 80-born star player Viuhkola on the team. 81-born Tukio who does not show much promise should not be there either.

Kukkonen

Same as I said about Tukio.
Koivisto
Koivisto, born 74 can hardly count as a prospect... If you are thinking about Florida's Koivisto... It's Toni Koivisto, a winger.

Evil Speaker
02-20-2005, 01:30 AM
Then tell me who to add.

mattihp
02-20-2005, 05:45 AM
Then tell me who to add.
I'd take Kaleva, Korhonen, Kantee and Mäkelä for instance above half-decent prospect like Tukio, Jaakola and Alén for instance...

Evil Speaker
02-20-2005, 02:05 PM
Okay.
Do you think I should take out Lassila and add Rask?

mattihp
02-20-2005, 03:50 PM
Okay.
Do you think I should take out Lassila and add Rask?
That wouldn't be a big stretch, but then again... Lassila is a star starter.