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Dejong made a great point at the end of the last thread. It will be interesting to see if Toronto does move their best, and possibly only, PMD. It seems that they want a top 6 forward in return, so it really makes you scratch your head.

Ottawa v Toronto games are sure going to be interesting this year regardless. It may not be fair to say it's as simple as Finesse D vs. Grit, because there are other variables to consider, such as the Forwards and goaltending. But you would definitely be hard pressed to find 2 D cores which are as different.

As for Kennedy, no thanks. There is something about taking on players of his size that I don't like. Especially given the fact that we will likely have the likes of Wick and Butler (as well as Shannon) fighting to get ice time and they, like Kennedy, would be most effective in the top 6.

We have too many bodies on our roster

- Kelly is overpaid for someone that can fill his role in Winchester & Smith. 2.2 Million i think

- Shannon another 0.9 Million off the books

- Lee another 0.85 Million off the books..


we free up nearly 4M in cap space. And Gain picks in the process by trading them. Although i doubt there's a market for Shannon !!

Good luck finding a trading partner for any of these guys

Not to move off the subject too much here, but I get this feeling with Lee that, in the event (and inevitability) that we move him, he will develop into a decent producing defenceman. He's taken heat in Ottawa I think mostly due to where he was drafted overall, and granted, he's no #9 overall pick. I do think, though, that the Sens haven't helped his development in Ottawa. He's never been given a consistent opportunity to develop, been paired with anyone for an extended period of time, or been left in one situation without being moved shortly thereafter (whether it be recalls, being sent down, defensive partners, etc).

Lee, to me, is a slow-developing defenceman, a lot of which can be blamed on how the Sens have let him develop. It certainly looks like he will again be squeezed out of the top 6-7 defencemen depth-wise this season (barring injuries), but I think if given a chance to play often and make the mistakes that come along with learning, Lee could become a decent second-pairing calibre defencemen in the league.

Kelly: His cap hit is 2.125, and he's better than a replacement player, he's a good third liner. Smith and Winchester are your dime a dozen hard working 4th liners, guys who look good on the cycle against equally unskilled opponents. If you needed somebody to match up against Crosby or Ovechkin though, would you honestly feel comfortable sending out Smith or Winchester for that matchup? I'd feel comfortable with Kelly against elite offensive talent, he's a very smart hockey player, but those two would be eaten alive. Not to mention Kelly is a big part of the locker room, team cohesion is a big part of success in sports.

Shannon: His cap hit is 0.625. I couldn't care less if he was traded, I don't like him as a bottom 6er, and we've already got a few decent skilled options for the top 6 in case of injury. That being said, I see no urgent need to save 600k, and Shannon is at least somewhat proven that he can produce when injuries strike. Depth isn't a bad thing

Lee: Right now he's penciled in as our 7th dman, and I wouldn't wanna waste Wiercioch's or Cowen's time in the press box. He provides good depth, he's cheap, and he's still got reasonable upside. If Cowen impresses in camp, and Lee can't leapfrog Campoli and gets pushed to 8th on the depth chart, then I'd look to move him for a 2nd rounder or something. For now though I see no reason to move him.

In summary, whats the point of moving these guys? What good is cap space when you've got nothing to use it on?

Smith or Winchester are not at Kelly's level. Smith isn't as good or mature defensively and Winchester plays a different style. I'm not sure this would be the best move or what kind of market there would be. Some tend to forget that Kelly is a 10-15 goal, 30-35 point sparkplug type of player that plays in every situation without looking out of place. Last season, Z. Smith played a couple of good games for us, but on certain plays, I remember him not being that sound positionally and costing us a goal or two. That's normal for every player, I just think that some guys are overrating some of the younger players that still need to adjust to the NHL.

Cap space is nice, but if you take too much of a downgrade in terms of roles, you'll suffer in certain situations. Kelly was his old self last season and it was nice to see, not to mention worth his salary.

If Shannon, Lee can be dealt, probably not for much.

We will have to deal some bodies and those guys are available, it just doesn't seem that realistic to me that we could deal away 2-3 contracts and make way for a "magical" free agent/trade along the lines of Savard...

The reality is that many teams have those spare type of guys that they'd want to get rid of. Just have a look at the amount of waiver players in the last few seasons. Some good players let go for basically nothing. We'll most likely waive a contract or two after camp and see what pans out from there.

Not to move off the subject too much here, but I get this feeling with Lee that, in the event (and inevitability) that we move him, he will develop into a decent producing defenceman. He's taken heat in Ottawa I think mostly due to where he was drafted overall, and granted, he's no #9 overall pick. I do think, though, that the Sens haven't helped his development in Ottawa. He's never been given a consistent opportunity to develop, been paired with anyone for an extended period of time, or been left in one situation without being moved shortly thereafter (whether it be recalls, being sent down, defensive partners, etc).

Lee, to me, is a slow-developing defenceman, a lot of which can be blamed on how the Sens have let him develop. It certainly looks like he will again be squeezed out of the top 6-7 defencemen depth-wise this season (barring injuries), but I think if given a chance to play often and make the mistakes that come along with learning, Lee could become a decent second-pairing calibre defencemen in the league.

I agree with this. He may be a player who will have to be moved to another team to be given a proper chance to find his way.

We have too many bodies on our roster

- Kelly is overpaid for someone that can fill his role in Winchester & Smith. 2.2 Million i think

- Shannon another 0.9 Million off the books

- Lee another 0.85 Million off the books..


we free up nearly 4M in cap space. And Gain picks in the process by trading them. Although i doubt there's a market for Shannon !!

First of all, Wini and Smith cannot fill Kellys shoes.

If Kelly is overpaid it is by no more than 200k.

Ruutu - Kelly - Neil = our most consistent line, replacing Kelly with Wini or Smith means time wasted finding chemistry, and hoping they can do the same job as Kelly.

Kelly is one of our top Pker's, yes Smith played a little on the PK and scored, that does not make him automatically the same as Kelly.

On Lee and Shannon, why get rid of depth, we finally have an over abundance of players who will all be fighting for the few spots, why get rid of players who will push others to step up their game, while also being able to fill the shoes of injured players?

Really, and this may be a little contradictory, the only player on that list that I would be fine with trading away is Shannon because I think that Butler and Wick may be able to step into his spot as 13th forward, or injury call up for the top 6. If not Foligno will take a spot from an injured top 6, and then it becomes easy to slot in someone on a two way into the bottom 6.

Kelly is a high end PKer with modest offensive skills... you keep him until a guy forces him out of that role... don't hand anyone the role because they could potentially eat the minutes.

Shannon and Lee I don't think do much that can't be replaced from within

Hi Sens fans, I have a question for you.

Why everybody of you wants to traded Brian Lee?

He is not a good young defensman with a good potential?

Hi Sens fans, I have a question for you.

Why everybody of you wants to traded Brian Lee?

He is not a good young defensman with a good potential?

He's old news. A former 9th overall pick that hasn't lived up to that kind of billing and too much young talented D coming up the pipeline. People don't seem to value depth while conserving ELCs.

He's old news. A former 9th overall pick that hasn't lived up to that kind of billing and too much young talented D coming up the pipeline. People don't seem to value depth while conserving ELCs.

Ok, thanks for the answer.

I'll offer to you John Mitchell for Ryan Shannon and Brian Lee.:sarcasm:

Kelly is a high end PKer with modest offensive skills... you keep him until a guy forces him out of that role... don't hand anyone the role because they could potentially eat the minutes.

Exactly. Its getting so tiring seeing people just throw Kelly around like he could be replaced this easily. He isn't overpaid, in fact there are very few players that do what he does as well as he does it for less money. Taking him off our team would make us a lot worse defensively, and he can't just be replaced by some rookie with zero NHL experience.

Kelly is a high end PKer with modest offensive skills... you keep him until a guy forces him out of that role... don't hand anyone the role because they could potentially eat the minutes.

Shannon and Lee I don't think do much that can't be replaced from within

I used to think Kelly's contract was a problem - but he's earning his ca$h, playing well at both ends of the ice. I wouldn't move him until I had a proven replacement. And anyone who replaces him is going to want similar or more money in pretty short order.

Shannon I'd give away, I don't like the fact he's on the roster at all - I can't believe he couldn't be replaced internally. Someone bigger who doesn't fall down as often.

Looking for Lee to take and hold a job in training camp. I still think he can play for this club.

I used to think Kelly's contract was a problem - but he's earning his ca$h, playing well at both ends of the ice. I wouldn't move him until I had a proven replacement. And anyone who replaces him is going to want similar or more money in pretty short order.

Shannon I'd give away, I don't like the fact he's on the roster at all - I can't believe he couldn't be replaced internally. Someone bigger who doesn't fall down as often.

Looking for Lee to take and hold a job in training camp. I still think he can play for this club.

I agree with basically all of this.

Kellly was overpaid, but Murray played his card rights, and he rebounded and became worth his money (for the most part)

As for Lee, I do think he can play a role on this team, at 850k for this year and next, I don't see the harm in him being between the 5th-7th d-man, really give him a chance to see if he can be an NHL defenseman. Not everyone develops at the same pace. This is basically it for him, if after this season he can't establish himself, he's likely done here.

The only way that we get rid of Kelly in my opinion is to make room for Savard, at which point id want Fisher to take the 3C role. Since that isnt going to happen i'll stick with him, wasnt pleased with his contract when we signed him but he really made up for it this year despite being sometimes painful to watch in offensive situations

The only way that we get rid of Kelly in my opinion is to make room for Savard, at which point id want Fisher to take the 3C role. Since that isnt going to happen i'll stick with him, wasnt pleased with his contract when we signed him but he really made up for it this year despite being sometimes painful to watch in offensive situations

Good points imo.

I think the way this team is shaping, Kelly has an important role. Teams that expect to go deep need guys like Kelly and while I think Smith could one day fill Kelly's shoes, that day is not yet upon us.

In the event that we acquire a second line center than Fisher can assume Kelly's duties but until then no need to move him. Plenty of teams would be interested though.

Kelly is definately needed, Idk what people saying trade him are thinking

The only way that we get rid of Kelly in my opinion is to make room for Savard, at which point id want Fisher to take the 3C role. Since that isnt going to happen i'll stick with him, wasnt pleased with his contract when we signed him but he really made up for it this year despite being sometimes painful to watch in offensive situations

Good post.

The ONLY other way that I possibly see that Kelly is moved is if a few things happen.

Regin steps up even more and grabs the 2nd line centre spot. And/or Foligno steps up huge and grabs a top 6 winger spot pushing hopefully Fisher down to the 3rd line where he should be imo.

Problem is, Fisher never gets demoted, and everyone in the organization seems to really value Kelly...

Likely not going to happen I would guess...

When you count the bodies you have to eliminate the 2-way guys who don't have to clear waivers. I think Smith still fits that category. Murray won't keep a guy like that with the big club unless he clearly earns a spot ahead of a vet. If it's close he's going back to Bingo.

I would like some young blood to get a chance on the team but Murray won't trade away his depth to make room for a rookie. These guys will be first callup when there are injuries if they play hard and don't brood in Bingo. If Smith and/or some other rookie wows them at camp then you could expect a trade after a dozen games or so if they don't want to carry the full 23 player roster with 2 vet forwards sitting in the stands like they've done in the past. Rookies won't sit in the stands when they could play in Bingo.

When you count the bodies you have to eliminate the 2-way guys who don't have to clear waivers. I think Smith still fits that category. Murray won't keep a guy like that with the big club unless he clearly earns a spot ahead of a vet. If it's close he's going back to Bingo.

I would like some young blood to get a chance on the team but Murray won't trade away his depth to make room for a rookie. These guys will be first callup when there are injuries if they play hard and don't brood in Bingo. If Smith and/or some other rookie wows them at camp then you could expect a trade after a dozen games or so if they don't want to carry the full 23 player roster with 2 vet forwards sitting in the stands like they've done in the past. Rookies won't sit in the stands when they could play in Bingo.

These guys below make up a 22 man roster, there isn't any more cap space for another player on this team unless Murray makes a trade & I'd be surprised if that happened before the trade deadline. The two guys sitting in the stands should be either Z. Smith or Shannon & Lee rotating with Campoli & Winchester.

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredson
Regin - Fisher - Kovalev
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil
Foligno - Z. Smith - Winchester/Shannon

Kuba - Gonchar
Phillips - Karlsson
Campoli - Carkner/Lee

Leclaire - Elliott

Without Kelly our PK goes from meh to oh god no.

8th best PK in the league = meh, apparently.

Without Kelly our PK goes from meh to oh god no.

Granted we lost A-Train, but I would hardly say our PK is meh.

Without Kelly our PK goes from meh to oh god no.
As stated above, 8th overall last year is hardly meh...

The thing people need to account for is injuries. Guys will be injured early and often and this depth will be tested.

The only guy I'm not thrilled with is Shannon. I've seen this guy in the gym and he is very small, in general and not just for a hockey player. Other than that it's business as usual for me.

Rumor is that Forsberg may be going to the Leafs, would make total sense considering their centerman issues and Burke's ever desire to add contracts till he hits the max number.

If he is healthy which will be a huge gigantic if... but if he is and plays at a high level that could be a very solid piece to have around the trade deadline.

now this is based on the opinion that the sens will move a forward (or two)

anyone see Torres as an option for the sens? played spezza's win in juniors, tough, solid skater and could be had on the cheap

Granted we lost A-Train, but I would hardly say our PK is meh.

The loss of Volchenkov is big for the PK, imo. Not enough to make it bad, but just meh. Anytime you trade out Volchenkov for Gonchar, it's going to affect the PK (and a big effect on the PP).

On paper, anyway. And the loss of Kelly might not be devestating, but on paper it would really downgrade our PK, I think.

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredson
Regin - Fisher - Kovalev
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil
Foligno - Z. Smith - Winchester/Shannon

Kuba - Gonchar
Phillips - Karlsson
Campoli - Carkner/Lee

Leclaire - Elliott

We can start with a 21 man roster.
- make the only real battle in camp between Shannon & Z.Smith... winner is on the team.
- Campoli and Carkner can both play wing. Though I'd personally just use Lee up front for short term injuries instead of starting D-men.

I think it's fairly obvious that the Sens will go with a 22 man roster. It's what they've done the past 2 seasons.

The loss of Volchenkov is big for the PK, imo. Not enough to make it bad, but just meh. Anytime you trade out Volchenkov for Gonchar, it's going to affect the PK (and a big effect on the PP).

On paper, anyway. And the loss of Kelly might not be devestating, but on paper it would really downgrade our PK, I think.

Carkner was pretty awesome on the PK. I'm not too worried.

I agree with the Kelly part and what Furh said with no point in moving Kelly unless someone out of camp steps up and makes him expendable.

Carkner was 'OK' on the PK. I'm kinda hoping that Lee has a strong camp and makes his way into the lineup from time to time to play on the PK and maybe show up as a physical presence or something like that.

I'm not so worried about our D 5-on-5. People may chalk up our shutdown efforts to Anton, but I'm a firm believer that we played a team brand of Defense and the forwards factored heavily into the way we played Defense in our own zone. If Clouston can run a tight ship and get everyone playing the right kind of game, then we should do great with the guys we have.

I think it's fairly obvious that the Sens will go with a 22 man roster. It's what they've done the past 2 seasons.
Do you mean 21? They've had 7 defensemen and 12 forwards, but I don't remember an extra forward. The 21st guy was always a swing man, Schubert until he was waived.

Rumor is that Forsberg may be going to the Leafs, would make total sense considering their centerman issues and Burke's ever desire to add contracts till he hits the max number.
Why would Forsberg sign in Toronto? That makes no sense at all. If he comes back, he'll want to go to a contender.

If he is healthy which will be a huge gigantic if... but if he is and plays at a high level that could be a very solid piece to have around the trade deadline.

Don't read to much into it. Leafers are currenbtly throwing darts at a dart board at the moment hoping something sticks...

They are throwing out names like Sundin, Forsberg, Naslund and even Kovalchuk out there....

They really have no idea at the moment...

Don't read to much into it. Leafers are currenbtly throwing darts at a dart board at the moment hoping something sticks...

They are throwing out names like Sundin, Forsberg, Naslund and even Kovalchuk out there....

They really have no idea at the moment...

Probably someone like Roman Cervenka.

Probably someone like Roman Cervenka.

Wasn't Ottawa a suiter? What happened to that?

Actually I hope its Yashin. It'll just make me hate the Leafs even more. I'm just not feeling the same hatred I used to... :(

Do you mean 21? They've had 7 defensemen and 12 forwards, but I don't remember an extra forward. The 21st guy was always a swing man, Schubert until he was waived.

To start the season 2009/10:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfie
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Winchester-Cheechoo
Neil-Kelly-Ruutu
Donovan/Shannon

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Picard
Campoli-Carkner
Karlsson

Leclaire
Elliott

So that's actually 23 men, not 22, definitely not 21. But there tended to always be one guy that was always banged up or injured so it was typically 2 healthy bodies scratched each night.

2008-09 season starting lineup:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfie
Fisher-Vermette-Foligno
Neil-Kelly-Ruutu
Donovan-Winchester-Schubert
McAmmond

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-J.Smith
Picard-Lee
Richardson

Richardson retired shortly thereafter and the Sens called up Brendan Bell to replace him for the majority of the remainder of the season. Lee was also shuttled back and forth to Bingo but played over 50 games at the NHL level. Schubert rotated between forward and defense but that doesn't mean he was the only extra body they carried.

They've gone with at least 22 players the last 2 years.

2008-09 season starting lineup:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfie
Fisher-Vermette-Foligno
Neil-Kelly-Ruutu
Donovan-Winchester-Schubert
McAmmond

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-J.Smith
Picard-Lee
Richardson



Man, did we ever have a one-line team :amazed::yo:

Actually I hope its Yashin. It'll just make me hate the Leafs even more. I'm just not feeling the same hatred I used to... :(
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True. That's what happens when there's no more adversity when we play against them. :sarcasm:

Actually I hope its Yashin. It'll just make me hate the Leafs even more. I'm just not feeling the same hatred I used to... :(

I believe the hatred for the Leafs has somewhat been soaked up by the likes of the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Buffalo Sabres since the lock-out. Maybe that's just myself. It's hard to feel hate a team thoroughly when they don't threaten you, what-so-ever.

Murray normally carries 22 bodies....

I believe the hatred for the Leafs has somewhat been soaked up by the likes of the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Buffalo Sabres since the lock-out. Maybe that's just myself. It's hard to feel hate a team thoroughly when they don't threaten you, what-so-ever.

I'll say I hate them, but that's only because I go to university in Toronto and am surrounded by Leaf fans who openly rip the Sens when their team is in last place.

In terms of the old school rivalry, when the they actually made it to the playoffs, the hatred from that no longer exists. I guess now it's just annoyance with fans who refuse to admit that their team is garbage, and see a win against a better team as meaning that they are superior, in spite of the standings. I think if trash talking starts early next year about how Ottawa lost in the season series against the Leafs, and that they are better, I will point out that we won the season series against the Hawks, and ask them where our Stanley Cup is.

On more topical note, the Leafs speculation is hilarious. Most of the recent stuff is coming from Burke canceling a charity event. It is speculated that he went to Europe to sign a player, so they are throwing around (as previously stated) Sundin, Forsberg, Naslund, Jagr, and Radulov. I think it would be hilarious if he was signing Kaberle to an extension or s prospect to the Marlies.

It's already been reported that Burke's trip to europe was not true. And I agree, don't really hate the leafs per se anymore, mainly just the annoying fans lol (I'm Toronto area as well)

My hatred towards the Leafs had softened up too until I went to the game in Toronto in February. The sens were one an 11 game winning streak, playing the worst team in the league...Unfortunately most people probably know the score, and I hate to remind you but it was 5-0 for the leafs :'(

One of the most devestating losses of the season.

Just because it was them...

Different d-men i know that ...both have one year deals Phillips comes cheaper who has more Value??? Kaberle can get a Neal,Ryan,Richards dont think they can if yes then explre trading phillips for them....

Huh? I feel like whatever it is you're going on about here, I won't like it one bit.

1. Kaberle isn't gonna bring back any of these guys.
2. Phillips isn't going anywhere.

Next topic please.

Kaberle won't return that. Without Phillips last year we would have been 10th-13th.

I am just wondering seeing the San Joes Sharks need a top four dman or are looking to trade for a top four dman and they are willing to trade Ryan Clowe for that top four dman would any of you trade one of our extra dmen to the Sharks for Clowe?

I was thinking one of Campoli,Kuba and Lee.

I was thinking Kuba for Clowe.

I'd try one of Campoli or Lee for Clowe before I try Kuba for Clowe. But I doubt that would be enough.

I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.

I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.

True that.

I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.

30 goals + a serious physical presence up front ?

30 goals + a serious physical presence up front ?

We are talking about Ryan Clowe, right? The guy who has a career high of 22 goals?

We are talking about Ryan Clowe, right? The guy who has a career high of 22 goals?

And it`s not like he is a kid anymore - he`s 27.

I like Foligno to score 20 this year, if he can stay healthy and recover from his broken leg.

Clowe's awesome but losing Kuba would wreck us.

I agree. Kuba is the only defenseman on the team who isn't a specialist. It makes him underrated around here, but he's just as important.

I agree. Kuba is the only defenseman on the team who isn't a specialist. It makes him underrated around here, but he's just as important.

Well said. You share my belief :nod:.

NHL is looking into the Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo, Marc Savard and Marian Hossa contracts. Not too sure what they can do with Hossa's, as he's played a year of it already, but Luongo's, Pronger's and Savard's all started July 1st.

Chris Pronger's is a 35+ contract, by the way.

makes sense for sure except pronger since he is 35 plus contract which leads me to how dumb is philly lol like i with bet my life they didnt even realise and then when it went through someone realised and they just tried to say they knew

I am just wondering seeing the San Joes Sharks need a top four dman or are looking to trade for a top four dman and they are willing to trade Ryan Clowe for that top four dman would any of you trade one of our extra dmen to the Sharks for Clowe?

I was thinking one of Campoli,Kuba and Lee.

I was thinking Kuba for Clowe.

I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.

I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.

Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott

I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.



Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott

It's tempting how you put it and I agree with all your player analysis (expecting big things from Campoli, Lee's potential, etc.)... but that D is just a huge risk and a weakness waiting to happen. Sure, Hale, could become the top 4 D-Man that people thought he could be for 20 games that one year... but he could also be a good AHL #1 dman. That's the issue with the lineup and the trade. If we trade Kuba I want back a substantially cheaper but still top 4 dman or a similarly priced but better dman, with us adding. Kuba is a very very good dman and I love having him. He should only be given up if he's being adequately replaced.

I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.



Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott


You are bang on I agree with you.

Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.

That's way too much of a gamble. I have no problems with Lee getting to play full-time in the NHL, but expecting him to be a top 4 dman this season is too much to ask.

I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.

Kuba's a better player than Clowe and we need him more than Clowe.

The last few seasons, we've started with 3 Top-4 D-men. This is the first season in quite a while that we're actually starting a season with 4, but that is totally contingent on Karlsson's continued progress. If he takes a step back, that'll be disappointing. If Kuba's not here and he takes a step back, we're screwed!



Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them.

He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons.

Why?

From what?

Who are these goons all over the league attacking star players? ... There aren't any. There are a handful of little pukes who hit everybody dangerously, so we wouldn't actually need an enforcer on our top line. Oh, and the pukes don't fight their own battles. So two 5 minute a night enforcer who had nothing to with the original incident fight to achieve... ummm .... uhhh .... little help here guys. Anybody got any ideas about what they're achieving?

Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Michalek regularly outscores Clowe in both goals and points, Clowe had a lot more assists last season, that's it. Michalek will outscore him for the balance of their careers.

Foligno's only 22 and hasn't yet gotten/earned a season on the Top-2 lines. He did however finish very strongly down the stretch in 2009 and has shown flashes of playing a good power game.

I don't want Clowe - but Ryan would be a welcome addition. :laugh:

We really could use a power forward who can play on the top line - but no-one gives those away.

This is contingent on Cowen making the team, but if he does would you do the following trade:

To Montreal:
Campoli+3rd/Shannon/O'Brien/You get the point

To Ottawa:
Benoit Pouliot

Habs get a young PMD capable of scoring around 30-40 points if hes on his game and has good PP time. With Markov missing time, he will be an exponentially better option that Picard. Campoli also is solid defensively, and might even be the better player right now.

Sens get a former top 5 draft pick who just put it together last year, meaning there is a risk of relapse into his old unproductive ways. That being said, he could also continue on his 31goal, 19 assist pace, and even build upon it. Pouliot can play both wings to the best of my knowledge, although I'm pretty sure he's more confortable as a LW. This would give us freedom to try out a lineup like this:

Pouliot-Spezza-Alfie
Michalek-Regin-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith

Phillips-Gonch
Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Lee
Carkner

From all I've heard, Cowen is on a pretty equal level right now to Campoli in the organizational eyes. He is definitely better defensively but his offensive game isn't near where it will be in the future, and it will likely be pretty limited in the future regardless. (Note: All this is from the conversation where I was told all the RFA salary junk so its coming from a pretty in the know source.)

Would you guys do this trade/is there anything that would need to be added?

I would definately do that, but I doubt the Habs would...oh wait, Pierre Gauthier is an idiot so maybe they'd do it.

I would definately do that, but I doubt the Habs would...oh wait, Pierre Gauthier is an idiot so maybe they'd do it.

I'm not sure it's so bad for the Habs, they need a solid offensive Dman to step in behind Markov, and Campoli could potentially be a fantastic option for that. Also, both were just given contracts this year as RFAs. Pouliot got 1.375 IIRC and Campoli got 1.4. I think both are pretty near market value; I would say if you add a 3rd/prospect you have a good shot at prying away Pouliot.

Anyways, I'm glad you like the idea

I'm not sure it's so bad for the Habs, they need a solid offensive Dman to step in behind Markov, and Campoli could potentially be a fantastic option for that. Also, both were just given contracts this year as RFAs. Pouliot got 1.375 IIRC and Campoli got 1.4. I think both are pretty near market value; I would say if you add a 3rd/prospect you have a good shot at prying away Pouliot.

Anyways, I'm glad you like the idea

Yeah, I thought it was a great idea. I just think Montreal is too stubborn to give up a skilled french player.

Pouliot-Spezza-Alfie
Michalek-Regin-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith

Phillips-Gonch
Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Lee
Carkner


I'd probably do this, although it's a gamble with the defense (plus idk if mtl does this). The other trade with having Lee in our top 4 is a no-go for me

I wish we could trade Shannon!

And take a chance on a player like O'Sullivan or Svatos

I wish we could trade Shannon!

And take a chance on a player like O'Sullivan or Svatos

Its pretty silly that Shannon was re-signed in the first place, considering guys like that could be had for probably the same contract and have so much more upside. I don't get what BM sees in that little bugger

I feel like Shannon's league minimum salary is really holding this team back. We'd be a cup contender without that albatross.

I feel like Shannon's league minimum salary is really holding this team back. We'd be a cup contender without that albatross.

We could obviously be in the runnings for Kovalchuk.

But seriously, I'm with those who think we should trade Shannon, but I'm not going to be bothered if he's kept at that cap hit.

Shannon is a good bottom line player (who can play in the top 6 if needed) that will compete and split games with Winnie. It's always good to keep the competition within the team going so players don't get too comfortable.

It's also usually better to have someone like Shannon with no real future in the league being the 13th forward sitting in the pressbox on most nights instead of having someone that needs to develop like Wick or Butler rotting away up there.

He can't be looking for much money, what would you all think about the Sens signing him under a mil? He's good for 30-40 points on the 3rd line wing, and he knows how to compete in the playoffs as Sens fans know from his days in Toronto. Sure he's old as dirt but he's still servicable and could keep winchester from the 3rd line. I love Winny, but only as a 4th liner. Anyways, thoughts?

Under a mil sure. He can replace Shannon or Winchester.

I really hope Murray adds a cheap forward with some offensive ability before the season starts.

There are a lot of cheap forwards that have shown flashes of brilliance. O'Sullivan, Stempniak, MacArthur, Tim Kennedy.

Bring in Stempniak and play him with Spezza, laugh at Leaf fans when he hits 30. :laugh:

I'd MUCH rather have Donovan at Shannon's salary coming in when things need shaken up or someone gets injured. . . he's such a spark plug

I really hope Murray adds a cheap forward with some offensive ability before the season starts.

There are a lot of cheap forwards that have shown flashes of brilliance. O'Sullivan, Stempniak, MacArthur, Tim Kennedy.

Bring in Stempniak and play him with Spezza, laugh at Leaf fans when he hits 30. :laugh:

That's actually a really good idea, I kinda like Stempniak. No money for him though.

He can't be looking for much money, what would you all think about the Sens signing him under a mil? He's good for 30-40 points on the 3rd line wing, and he knows how to compete in the playoffs as Sens fans know from his days in Toronto. Sure he's old as dirt but he's still servicable and could keep winchester from the 3rd line. I love Winny, but only as a 4th liner. Anyways, thoughts?

Back when the FA period started Nolan was one of the top Forwards I wanted us to nab, depending on $ of course.

I would like to see one of these four players.Playing in a Senators uniform at some point this season. So my point I would like to see Bryan Murray to trade for one of these four players at some point during the season what do you guys think it would take for Bryan Murray to get one of these four players?

We'd have to give up too much for Clowe. The others don't interest me.

Ahhhh, the endless fascination with Erik Cole. It's been awhile but you can always count on some crazy kid to bring that discussion out of the mothballs again.

Also Ryan Clowe = overrated with a capital "O". Watch some Sharks games, he is wholly unimpressive.

I see no reason why we shouldn't just add all four.

Its not like there is some kind of league-wide salary limit

The Erik Cole fanboy has returned.

Svatos's value is getting lower and lower every day, we can get him cheeeeap right now... someone please go run Shannon's foot over with something and take him out for the season.

I was shocked that BM re-signed Shannon. He's got a lot of speed too burn, but he's not skilled enough to be a Top-6 player, and doesn't have enough jam to be a Bottom-6 player. CC looked like he lost interest in him as well...

At any rate, the Sens probably believe the Top-6 will include Alfie-Spezza-Regin, MM-Fisher, Kovalev...so there's point shuffling around salary, if you believe in your present core.

Its pretty silly that Shannon was re-signed in the first place, considering guys like that could be had for probably the same contract and have so much more upside. I don't get what BM sees in that little bugger

I think Clouston is the one with a bias towards Shannon He played him over Donovan in the playoffs . . . i never understood that.

I think Clouston is the one with a bias towards Shannon He played him over Donovan in the playoffs . . . i never understood that.

Me too. Chum is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen. He's got speed, descent skill set, and isn't afraid to lay the body....

He never disappointed me by his play, yet the coaching stuff was never happy with him.

I think Clouston is the one with a bias towards Shannon He played him over Donovan in the playoffs . . . i never understood that.

SD's knee was done. They knew it wouldn't allow him to really go in the playoffs.

Could've had Sean Bergenheim for just 75k more than Shannon. Murray :shakehead

Proposal

Ryan Shannon + Ilya Zubov
For
James Sheppard

- Zubov is looking for another NHL shot... Wild short on young wingers with offensive upside
- Shannon a fast winger could fit in with the Wild

- We take a chance on a 22Yr old (had 24Pts two years ago) who was developed poorly. Flat out sucked last year. Would get to practice and learn from Canadian two-way centers such as Fisher and Kelly.

Sheppards on a one year deal... worst case he is waived or walks at seasons end. Best case we have a successful reclamation project and begins showing his potential.

Proposal

Ryan Shannon + Ilya Zubov
For
James Sheppard

- Zubov is looking for another NHL shot... Wild short on young wingers with offensive upside
- Shannon a fast winger could fit in with the Wild

- We take a chance on a 22Yr old (had 24Pts two years ago) who was developed poorly. Flat out sucked last year. Would get to practice and learn from Canadian two-way centers such as Fisher and Kelly.

Sheppards on a one year deal... worst case he is waived or walks at seasons end. Best case we have a successful reclamation project and begins showing his potential.

I like the idea :thumbu:

I also like the idea but what are the chances that minnie fans will?

I also like the idea but what are the chances that minnie fans will?

Some Minny fans hate Sheppard... I'd think they would bite

Lets hope thats the case because zubov is as good as done with this team and shannon serves no purpose. Sheppard at worst would be an upgrade over him.

Saw your proposal on the main board. Guess i was wrong. I hope Murray is reading this and calling Fletcher.

Vitali Anikeyenko

any chance of him ever coming over to North America to play?

Vitali Anikeyenko

any chance of him ever coming over to North America to play?

hes put up some pretty good numbers in the K. I think he would probably be a top 4 Dman in the A, maybe he could challenge for a spot in Ottawa in 3-4 years. I wouldn't count on him ever coming over though. I dont know much about him but it looks like hes Russian 4 lyfe

hes put up some pretty good numbers in the K. I think he would probably be a top 4 Dman in the A, maybe he could challenge for a spot in Ottawa in 3-4 years. I wouldn't count on him ever coming over though. I dont know much about him but it looks like hes Russian 4 lyfe

He's already 24 years old, I don't think he would be that far off. He could maybe come in as 7th defenseman and work his way up next season maybe?

He's already 24 years old, I don't think he would be that far off. He could maybe come in as 7th defenseman and work his way up next season maybe?

The ship has sailed. You can put all the Russian prospects (Lyamin, Zubov, Kaigorodov, Anikeyenko, Mirnov, Atyushev, Nikulin etc) all in the same boat and wave goodbye. They're a product of an unsuccessful period of drafting for the team with a flawed strategy.

Time to move on.

We have a bunch of young defensemen coming up the ranks but not really any forward prospects what would you think of something like this..

David Rundblad +

for

Mikkel Boedker

We have a bunch of young defensemen coming up the ranks but not really any forward prospects what would you think of something like this..

David Rundblad +

for

Mikkel Boedker

OEL - Goncharov
Gormley - Rundblad
Stone - Summers
Schlemko - Ahnelov
Ross - Brodeur

:amazed::shakehead:help::naughty:

Is there a UFA still available that would fit under the cap and could help out the Sens? Guerin, Halpern, Comrie, etc?

Is there a UFA still available that would fit under the cap and could help out the Sens? Guerin, Halpern, Comrie, etc?

Not really, but I'd give camp tryouts to Svatos, Comrie or Torres if still available by that time.

I'd love Stempniak but we just don't have the cap space. He's the type of player who really thrives on a team that has capable puck movers. Svatos would be fine for a try out.

We have a bunch of young defensemen coming up the ranks but not really any forward prospects what would you think of something like this..

David Rundblad +

for

Mikkel Boedker

Problem is (or not really a problem), the entire Sens organization seems really, really high on Rundblad - including Forsberg who will coach him this year. I doubt they do it.

But...I think I would. Boedker is gonna be boss and another Dane to play with Regin (not that that matters, but it's neat).

How desperate do you think this guy is getting?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/Ziostilon/372459.jpg

I would be thrilled to pick him up relatively cheap.

I like the lineup options he would give us. While I am a fan of Regin on Spezza's wing I like the options this would give us.

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson (give this combo another shot with a healthy Spezza)
Foligno - Fisher - Kovalev (this line was clicking tremendously before Foligno broke his leg)
Kariya - Regin - Smith (I think Kariya and Regin would mesh very well together with their mix of playmaking and sniping ability, throw in Smith to muck it up)
Ruutu – Kelly – Neil

Smith - Spezza - Alfredsson (iffy I know... I only made this combo because of the rumors Michalek wants to try RW and I thought Foligno on the 3rd was better balance)
Kariya - Fisher - Michalek (Kariya and Fisher would have the potential to mesh like Fisher did with Kovalev, the combo of Michalek and Fish is just deadly on the forecheck)
Foligno - Regin - Kovalev (I’ve mentioned it before but I think Regin brings a lot of the same things to the table Plekanec did he made a powerful duo with Kovalev, add in Foligno’s grit/skill combo and it’s worth a try)
Ruutu – Kelly – Neil

Kariya - Spezza – Alfredsson (adding someone who can snipe and dish to Spezza-Alfredsson can reap massive dividends as we have seen, may be a little soft as)
Michalek - Fisher – Kovalev (Keep the awesome Kovalev-Fisher combo and throw in some more speed and size… sounds good… Fisher would be the smallest on his line)
Foligno - Regin - Smith (could be a lot of fun to have a kid line again, maybe fit in Wick or Butler on there instead of Smith)
Ruutu – Kelly – Neil

How desperate do you think this guy is getting?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/Ziostilon/372459.jpg

I would be thrilled to pick him up relatively cheap.

I would too, mostly for nostalgia's sake, but if he was to go somewhere cheap I bet he'd also go for the nostalgia and go to the Ducks or Avs

I'd much rather have Karyia on the team then Ryan Shannon...

I'd much rather have Karyia on the team then Ryan Shannon...

:laugh: really?

Kariya would want at least 4x what Shannon is getting

I would too, mostly for nostalgia's sake, but if he was to go somewhere cheap I bet he'd also go for the nostalgia and go to the Ducks or Avs

Yeah I'm sure Kariya has fond memories of his time with the Avs.

I'd love Stempniak but we just don't have the cap space. He's the type of player who really thrives on a team that has capable puck movers. Svatos would be fine for a try out.

I agree with what you typed there.

I'd love to sign Ryan Potulny at a cheap price as a UFA. He had 38G in 41GP in his final NCAA season and was around a PPG as an AHL player for awhile just waiting for a chance to play in the NHL, he finally got that chance with the Oilers and had a very respectable 32P in 64GP playing for the worst team in the NHL.

He'd be happy to get a contract at this point and it has the potential to pay off huge, he played a combination of 50 games Philly and Edmonton in 4 years so this year could be considered his rookie season. Perfect 3rd line center, he could center Foligno and Shannon and turn the line into a decent secondary scoring option. The Oilers don't want to re-sign him because they want to create spots for Eberle, MSP and Hall alongside their already young core of Gagner, Cogliano, Brule and Penner.

Decent "bargain bin" pick up.

Bored so just for sake of discussion...Senschirp posted a rumor that Lee may be on the shopping block. With teams like Nashville and Colorado mildly interested.

http://www.senschirp.ca/2010/08/what-to-do-with-brian-lee.html

Personally I think its best to hold onto him for now and perhaps use him as deadline trade bait, it would be nice to not have to use a pick for once.

But if Murray does intend to shop him before the season starts what do you think he could fetch?

I think we could maybe use another forward or a more shut down type defensmen, I don't think we could get much more than a struggling prospect or a late 2nd rounder but who knows.

Would a Cogliano/Lee swap be fair? Or maybe Smid/Vandermeer?

Perhaps James Sheppard/Lee?

Or just a 2nd/3rd rounder and offer his cap space to Comrie?

Is there a UFA still available that would fit under the cap and could help out the Sens? Guerin, Halpern, Comrie, etc?

Cogliano is a RFA who still hasn't come to terms with the Edmonton Oilers. He can play LW or C & could bring a little more scoring to our LW. Not sure if he is not signing because he wants more money or out of Edmonton. A Lee for Cogliano would be intersting as JonnyMacSen has suggested.

Well looks like Karyia is done for the year with concussion symptoms.

I'd say his career is likely over...

Bored so just for sake of discussion...Senschirp posted a rumor that Lee may be on the shopping block. With teams like Nashville and Colorado mildly interested.

http://www.senschirp.ca/2010/08/what-to-do-with-brian-lee.html

Personally I think its best to hold onto him for now and perhaps use him as deadline trade bait, it would be nice to not have to use a pick for once.

But if Murray does intend to shop him before the season starts what do you think he could fetch?

I think we could maybe use another forward or a more shut down type defensmen, I don't think we could get much more than a struggling prospect or a late 2nd rounder but who knows.

Would a Cogliano/Lee swap be fair? Or maybe Smid/Vandermeer?

Perhaps James Sheppard/Lee?

Or just a 2nd/3rd rounder and offer his cap space to Comrie?

Only one I'd do is Smid but the Oilers would be insane to do that.
Might as well work with the teams we've been given:

To Col:
Lee

To Ott:
Kevin Porter/Ryan Stoa

To Nash:
Lee+3rd

To Ott:
Zach Budish/Roman Josi

As for Poultny, I'd let him try out.

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around

awww bdp, you're such a tease. Can you at least give us something to speculate about? I'm guessing Savard. Can you tell me whether I'm warm or cold?

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around

Omg...

I hope you're right.

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around


Should we hear about it soon?

no ...they hope it will be done by camp...and its a trade this is all i will say for now ....if the deal gets done before media knows i will tell you, and yes it might not work out but i think its 80 percent chance it will

gotta be Lee for Ovechkin

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around

You'd better not be ****ing around as you just made me mess in my adult diaper! I need some real hockey news very badly right now.

Can you tell us if we would acquire a Forward , a D or a G?

gotta be Lee for Ovechkin

Great, fill one hole by opening up another. Who's going to be the depth defenceman for this year if Lee goes?:shakehead

Oh boy.

Just tell me Spezza, Karlsson or Cowen arent involved plz.

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around

Maybe. But since you've ****ed around with us before, I'm not holding my breath. Especially since you're saying it might not happen... classic technique to cover your ass used by "insiders".

I think we're overpaying for OV tbh, Lee was a top 10 pick.

What if it's OV + Alzner for Lee? Then we can get someone that can step in and almost replace what Lee would have done for us.

there will be something coming up that will blow your minds....i cant talk about it really even though i know most of the details..but this is going to be huge and make us a contender right away....and no im not ****ing around

That's got Marc Savard written all over it. Either that or a goaltending move.

What if it's OV + Alzner for Lee? Then we can get someone that can step in and almost replace what Lee would have done for us.

Washington throws in a 1st and a 2nd and I help Lee pack and drive him to the airport.

Has to be a #1 goalie in some form or another. True contenders IMO are teams that have a #1C (Spezza), #1D (Gonchar), and a #1 Goalie.

If we got a guy like Vokun or Bryzgalov we'd be set.

That's got Marc Savard written all over it. Either that or a goaltending move.

Both.

Savard and Thomas for Lee.

Contender right away? Means we're getting rid of some of our future. I'm giving Murray a preemptive :shakehead

Both.

Savard and Thomas for Lee.

Don't forget Murray's other move

Hallucinegic drugs to All of NHL

In order to make everyone believe this can work under the cap!!

That's got Marc Savard written all over it. Either that or a goaltending move.

More like false hope written all over it. :(

You better be right dude. I kinda shaattt my pants when I read you post. Can you please give us atleast some info?

If True I would guess Brad Richards, He's UFA and Dallas needs defenceman( I'd consider Runblad but be pissed if Karlsson or Cowen are moved)

I love the dog days of summer when hockey news is few and far between. We can entertain ourselves with all kinds of silly speculations and trade fantasies.

****, I can wait until hockey really starts....

:yo:

bdp baby yeah!

According to Steve Llyod, Donovan will sign in Finland unless a team makes a surprising offer

Done by camp? That's too far out to be anywhere near probable. Everyone that would need to sign on the dotted line is probably near their home organizations by next week.

I don't think you're making this up, but I doubt it's more than another fart wafting out from under BM's office door.

According to Steve Llyod, Donovan will sign in Finland unless a team makes a surprising offer

Holy crap, that did blow my mind.

Contender right away? Means we're getting rid of some of our future. I'm giving Murray a preemptive :shakehead

Not only has the boat already left, it's full of Tamils and there's no room for Murray to get on anymore.

Maybe. But since you've ****ed around with us before, I'm not holding my breath. Especially since you're saying it might not happen... classic technique to cover your ass used by "insiders".

Obviously he isn't making a guarantee here, that would be impossible. But if he didn't suggest that there is a possibility the deal won't happen, then guys like you will be calling him out for getting it wrong. Unless he is the one pulling the trigger on the deal then obviously he won't know for sure, so it's not a classic technique to cover his ass, it's the truth. We are all on this board discussing possibilities and rumours, nothing is certain until it comes out of BM mouth.

Pretty sure the big news is that Denis Hamel is coming back for one last hurrah.

Dumping one of the goalies and sign Niemi?

Dumping one of the goalies and sign Niemi?

He said it's a trade.

And neimi doesnt make us a contender imo

What kind of impact player would make us a contender, without the Sens trading away any of their othe rimpact players?

And neimi doesnt make us a contender imo

Only a trade that brings in a legit #1 goaltender AND a good #2 center would make us a contender. Obviously that isn't happening.

I'm really fighting to not get too excited about this especially after what happened last time this guy made a post like that, however its going to be interesting to see the speculation until training camp. I'm thinking its for Savard, but I really don't want us to give up the pieces to get him. The only players that I won't mind being traded are Kelly, Fisher and Neil. I really don't see Fisher or Neil getting traded so I think I'm going to pretty upset when/if it goes down. Vermette trade all over again maybe :(

He said it's a trade.

Maybe trade away someone else and sign Niemi??:dunno:

How could it just be prospects for impact player? We don't have a lot of cap space, so I can't see a trade for Savard happening unless it involves a 3rd team. So we give up roster players at $4 mil cap hit, and the other team gives prospects to Boston.

So what major contract would we cut loose in this trade? Let's assume it's not Spezza. Let's assume nobody would waive a NMC, for that matter.

Michalek - 4.333 - nah, can't replace his speed on the wing
Kelly - 2.125 - makes sense to lose a centre if we're gaining one.
Neil - 2.000 - fan fav, but could see it happening

Ruutu, Foligno, Regin -- 1.3, 1.2, and 1.0 -- maybe one of these along with Kelly or Neil.

Campoli - 1.4 -- or this guy with Kelly or Neil

I can't see Fisher agreeing to a trade. Maybe Kuba, at 3.7 mil, is not needed anymore and would waive.

According to Steve Llyod, Donovan will sign in Finland unless a team makes a surprising offer

He was on the team this morning and I heard him say that Finland was the spot he was looking at (E4)

I'm really fighting to not get too excited about this especially after what happened last time this guy made a post like that, however its going to be interesting to see the speculation until training camp. I'm thinking its for Savard, but I really don't want us to give up the pieces to get him. The only players that I won't mind being traded are Kelly, Fisher and Neil. I really don't see Fisher or Neil getting traded so I think I'm going to pretty upset when/if it goes down. Vermette trade all over again maybe :(

I agree. Once you`ve deliberately fed people bull****e it`s hard to get any credibility back.

Its Fisher.

please

Fisher+Wiercioch for Vokoun?

Maybe Kuba, at 3.7 mil, is not needed anymore and would waive.


Kuba does not have a NTC - it expired on July 1st I believe (it was only in place for the 1st year of his contract).

If True I would guess Brad Richards, He's UFA and Dallas needs defenceman( I'd consider Runblad but be pissed if Karlsson or Cowen are moved)

No chance its Brad Richards. He has a $8M cap hit. There is no conceivable series of moves that could clear that kind of cap room. Savard is half that and has been rumoured to be on the block. We could move Kuba or Leclaire and have the space for him. Adding Savard to this team makes it a contender, no matter who is between the pipes.

Or trade both Kuba and Leclaire...

Something like... Leclaire for a 3rd round pick (Islanders or some other team not near the cap ceiling or floor)

Trade Kuba + that pick for Savard.

Sign Niemi for ~2M.

Regin-Spezza-Alfie
Michalek-Savard-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Shannon/Smith/Wick
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil

Phillips-Gonchar
Cowen-Karlsson
Campoli-Carkner
Lee

Niemi
Elliott

That is a contender imo. Maybe the best team in the east if we upgrade on Cowen by the trade deadline.

Boston wouldn't take Kuba back.

Boston wouldn't take Kuba back.

If it's for Savard, there would have to be a 3rd team that can take on salary and give up prospects. Ottawa has no room, and Boston wants to shed.

Boston wouldn't take Kuba back.

Why do you say that? They're very weak on the back end and could really use some additional puck movement.

Why do you say that? They're very weak on the back end and could really use some additional puck movement.

Flamingo summed it up well

Flamingo summed it up well

I was under the impression that they wanted to shed salary to upgrade the D.

Its Fisher.

please

Fisher+Wiercioch for Vokoun?

For one year of Vokoun? That sounds like a lot.

I was under the impression that they wanted to shed salary to upgrade the D.

If thats the case they will need to clear far more than Savard. They are currently 3mil over the cap with a 22 man roster. Sturm gives them some cap relief but not enough. I'd be surprised if the Bruins took Kuba. Honestly, I don't think this is involving Savard.

How about the Avalanche as a prospect-giver/contract-eater? They need to take on salary, and only have 20 players signed. I don't know their prospects at all, but there are some D in there.

If thats the case they will need to clear far more than Savard. They are currently 3mil over the cap with a 22 man roster. Sturm gives them some cap relief but not enough. I'd be surprised if the Bruins took Kuba. Honestly, I don't think this is involving Savard.

They're 3M over with Seguin counted with his bonuses (3.5 hit).

For one year of Vokoun? That sounds like a lot.

Yeah it probably is :laugh:

How about Leclaire+Kelly+Wiercioch for Vokoun+Reasoner?
Wiercioch could actually be switched to Lee+2nd. I'm not really going into meticulous detail for finding the proper value, this is just a skeletal idea.

It works with the cap.


FORWARDS
Peter Regin ($1.000m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Alexei Kovalev ($5.000m)
Nick Foligno ($1.200m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.150m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Jarkko Ruutu ($1.300m) / Jesse Winchester ($0.750m) / Zack Smith ($0.583m)
Ryan Shannon ($0.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Phillips ($3.500m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Filip Kuba ($3.700m) / Erik Karlsson ($1.300m)
Chris Campoli ($1.400m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($5.700m) /Brian Elliott ($0.850m)

BUYOUTS: Daniel Alfredsson ($0.700m) / Jonathan Cheechoo ($0.666m) / Ray Emery ($0.562m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,595,833; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,229,167

They're 3M over with Seguin counted with his bonuses (3.5 hit).

look on capgeek. I know Sturm puts them under at the moment, but I don't think they'd want to be that close to the cap. Who knows, maybe youre right but I don't think Boston will cut it that close.

How about the Avalanche as a prospect-giver/contract-eater? They need to take on salary, and only have 20 players signed. I don't know their prospects at all, but there are some D in there.

Kuba for Hishon. Do it Murray.

How about the Avalanche as a prospect-giver/contract-eater? They need to take on salary, and only have 20 players signed. I don't know their prospects at all, but there are some D in there.

Seems logical. Maybe they'd be interested in someone like Wheeler or Sturm, and Ottawa could flip them a prospect and pick. Boston gets Kuba and some filler... Or in the best case scenario, they want Thomas... get that Sens killer out of the conference... I dunno, I'm bored.

Kuba for Hishon. Do it Murray.

dont we all wish! I'd rather keep Kubs though, hes a massive part of our D corps

Kuba for Hishon. Do it Murray.

Jano?

I know he is untouchable and it won't happen but, just for fun, what would Ottawa have to give Colorado for Duchene value wise?

I don't even know where to start without Karlsson, but how about
Cowen, Fisher, 1st rounder

I know he is untouchable and it won't happen but, just for fun, what would Ottawa have to give Colorado for Duchene value wise?

I don't even know where to start without Karlsson, but how about
Cowen, Fisher, 1st rounder

I'd do it they wouldnt

EDIT: NOTE: Probably unrelated B.S but Eklund said in his Niemi blog that a contender will make a major upgrade in the next 48 hours

dont we all wish! I'd rather keep Kubs though, hes a massive part of our D corps

I'd give any of our prospects for Hishon. Except maybe Wiercioch. But Cowen or Rundblad straight up for Hishon, hell yeah.

But I agree, Kuba should be an important part of the team, if he can stay healthy.

I'd give any of our prospects for Hishon. Except maybe Wiercioch. But Cowen or Rundblad straight up for Hishon, hell yeah.

But I agree, Kuba should be an important part of the team, if he can stay healthy.

You're weird. Cowen and Rundblad are far better prospects than Wiercioch.

If anything I'd like to thank bdp for giving us something to talk about besides Bill Guerin. :laugh:

Obviously he isn't making a guarantee here, that would be impossible. But if he didn't suggest that there is a possibility the deal won't happen, then guys like you will be calling him out for getting it wrong. Unless he is the one pulling the trigger on the deal then obviously he won't know for sure, so it's not a classic technique to cover his ass, it's the truth. We are all on this board discussing possibilities and rumours, nothing is certain until it comes out of BM mouth.

Really? If he was really an insider, he'd only say something if it was a certain thing. Look at what happened to Stephen A. Smith when he called the Lebron thing. BackDoorPass is covering his ass cause he doesn't know ****. Which is the same thing as me saying the garbage man told me that his girlfriend told him during a threesome that BM told her that he might talk Gretzky out of retirement.

AND, bdp has already admitted to screwing around with this board for laughs before. Credibility = 0.

Really? If he was really an insider, he'd only say something if it was a certain thing. Look at what happened to Stephen A. Smith when he called the Lebron thing. BackDoorPass is covering his ass cause he doesn't know ****. Which is the same thing as me saying the garbage man told me that his girlfriend told him during a threesome that BM told her that he might talk Gretzky out of retirement.

AND, bdp has already admitted to screwing around with this board for laughs before. Credibility = 0.

kilroy killjoy

Really? If he was really an insider, he'd only say something if it was a certain thing. Look at what happened to Stephen A. Smith when he called the Lebron thing. BackDoorPass is covering his ass cause he doesn't know ****. Which is the same thing as me saying the garbage man told me that his girlfriend told him during a threesome that BM told her that he might talk Gretzky out of retirement.

AND, bdp has already admitted to screwing around with this board for laughs before. Credibility = 0.

It is also always very entertaining to see a barrage of people come after bdp makes a statement try and attack his credibility in hopes that he compromises his source or get more information out of him.

SensChirp said...
Sorry I missed out on the fun this afternoon.

Caught in meetings. I'll dig around tonight and see if I can find anything.

When BDP isn't messing around, he really knows his stuff.

August 31, 2010 5:01 PM

Really? If he was really an insider, he'd only say something if it was a certain thing. Look at what happened to Stephen A. Smith when he called the Lebron thing. BackDoorPass is covering his ass cause he doesn't know ****. Which is the same thing as me saying the garbage man told me that his girlfriend told him during a threesome that BM told her that he might talk Gretzky out of retirement.

AND, bdp has already admitted to screwing around with this board for laughs before. Credibility = 0.

The bolded part is hilariously false. Like, hiding under a rock for the past year-type false.









Anyways, speaking of posters with "zero credibility," how about that kilroy guy? That guy's a riot.

I hope BDP is actually just ****ing with this, it would be hilarious and would make me really start to love him. A guy who actually has some inside info and uses it to mess with people, then gives a little real info every now and then, brilliant. :D

As far as the speculation, I honestly have no idea what would be traded to make us a "contender," especially so close to the season and rosters being done.

I hope BDP is actually just ****ing with this, it would be hilarious and would make me really start to love him. A guy who actually has some inside info and uses it to mess with people, then gives a little real info every now and then, brilliant. :D

As far as the speculation, I honestly have no idea what would be traded to make us a "contender," especially so close to the season and rosters being done.

I agree with you actually. I find it hilarious. The people dissing on him are just pissed that they got Punk'd.

I agree with you actually. I find it hilarious. The people dissing on him are just pissed that they got Punk'd.

It was annoying when he said he was lying but the next day it was pretty freaking funny

FYI, the sports radio station in Boston this afternoon was stating that the Bruins are once again shopping Savard.

BackDoorPass, how about you email Danish telling him what you've heard (as long as he doesn't repeat it). That way, if your source is true and the deal comes to fruition you can tell us that you were indeed correct. Just a suggestion (to maybe bring back your credibility).

Go Sens!

BDP may have screwed with us ONCE...but he has proven himself hes legit...

no ...they hope it will be done by camp...

DONE BY CAMP?! Fer crying out loud, the boat leaves tomorrow! Freakin Murray...:shakehead

To Carolina: Brian Lee D ($.875K)
To Ottawa: Drayson Bowman ($.845K)

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/drayson_bowman
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=10

I'll assume that Sens scouts got to see a lot of Drayson Bowman while they were checking out Jared Cowen with the Spokane Chiefs. He is a goal scoring LWer who needs to add some muscle & work on all of the other facets of the game other than scoring. Ottawa doesn't really need Lee this season with Hale signed & Carolina could use another NHL ready defenceman in their line up. They both make approximately the same amount of money & Ottawa could use a scoring LWer in their prospect pool.

To Carolina: Brian Lee D ($.875K)
To Ottawa: Drayson Bowman ($.845K)

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/drayson_bowman
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=10

I'll assume that Sens scouts got to see a lot of Drayson Bowman while they were checking out Jared Cowen with the Spokane Chiefs. He is a goal scoring LWer who needs to add some muscle & work on all of the other facets of the game other than scoring. Ottawa doesn't really need Lee this season with Hale signed & Carolina could use another NHL ready defenceman in their line up. They both make approximately the same amount of money & Ottawa could use a scoring LWer in their prospect pool.

Carolina would never do this.

To all those people who are defending Backdoor:

Could you please tell those who don't know some of the trades or signings he has predicted? All I know about him is that he apparently lied about Spezza being traded. What has he done, I assume it must be a lot, to make you trust him after doing that?

Thanks,

Carolina would never do this.

Why not? What else would they want? Aren't PMD precious in the NHL these days & if you look at their defence they could use Lee?

Why not? What else would they want? Aren't PMD precious in the NHL these days & if you look at their defence they could use Lee?

Bowman just has a lot more trade value than Lee right now. If you want to trade Lee to Carolina for one of their W prospects, you'd be looking at someone along the lines of Chris Terry, and even that might not fly.

Why not? What else would they want? Aren't PMD precious in the NHL these days & if you look at their defence they could use Lee?

They don't need Lee, they already have McBain, Pitkanen, and Sanguinetti.

Bowman just has a lot more trade value than Lee right now. If you want to trade Lee to Carolina for one of their W prospects, you'd be looking at someone along the lines of Chris Terry, and even that might not fly.

So you think a former 1st round pick (9th overall) & NHL ready PMD is only worth a guy who was drafted in the 5th round, will likely play in the AHL again this season & make never make the NHL? Wow, I guess you don't think much of Lee? :shakehead

1st post , excuse my english I speak french first ! Nice to meet you



For what its worth :

http://www.nhl-trade-rumors.com/index.htm

TO ANA: Foligno & Kovalev

TO OTT: Bobby Ryan (signs a 4yr 16mil contract)



I know we'd have to give more than that but im just passing it along for you ..

So you think a former 1st round pick (9th overall) & NHL ready PMD is only worth a guy who was drafted in the 5th round, will likely play in the AHL again this season & make never make the NHL? Wow, I guess you don't think much of Lee? :shakehead

Would you trade Wiercioch/Lehner/Silfverberg for Jack Skille? Must be great value cause we're just trading a former 2nd rounder for a former first rounder 7th overall NHL ready power forward.

Carolina fans are just as high on Bowman as we are on Wiercioch and Lehner.

Hey guys , 1st post ! excuse my english I may make some mistakes as it's my 2nd language .


For what it's worth I thought I could pass it along to you :

http://www.nhl-trade-rumors.com/index.htm

TO ANA: Foligno & Kovalev

TO OTT: Bobby Ryan (signs a 4yr 16mil contract)


DONT yell at me I know we'd have to give a lot more but it's okay to dream isn't it ?

way to leave an impression and double post.

Would you trade Wiercioch/Lehner/Silfverberg for Jack Skille? Must be great value cause we're just trading a former 2nd rounder for a former first rounder 7th overall NHL ready power forward.

Carolina fans are just as high on Bowman as we are on Wiercioch and Lehner.

I'd probably trade Wiercioch for Skille, I'm not as high on Wiercioch as most here especially after seeing him at the development camp. IMO he may be more than a yr away from playing in Ottawa, Cowen & Rundblad IMO are way ahead of him but I get your point.

way to leave an impression and double post.

Calm down buddy the first time I typed it , it didn't work .. my bad tough

Hey guys , 1st post ! excuse my english I may make some mistakes as it's my 2nd language .


For what it's worth I thought I could pass it along to you :

http://www.nhl-trade-rumors.com/index.htm

TO ANA: Foligno & Kovalev

TO OTT: Bobby Ryan (signs a 4yr 16mil contract)


DONT yell at me I know we'd have to give a lot more but it's okay to dream isn't it ?

we'd have to add Wiercioch+Regin/Karlsson++

If we get Ryan, which we won't, it will be for Michalek+Cowen++

What is this site? just a collection of random posters like this? Or is it an actual accredited source? Your english is pretty good btw

Even if you didn't double post it, it's still ridiculous that someone would even think a rumor like that is worth posting.

So you think a former 1st round pick (9th overall) & NHL ready PMD is only worth a guy who was drafted in the 5th round, will likely play in the AHL again this season & make never make the NHL? Wow, I guess you don't think much of Lee? :shakehead

It doesn't matter where he was drafted, an asset is an asset. Bowman is an asset, and we could use a nice forward prospect. Lee is not looking like an asset on this team right now. Do you really think he belongs in the NHL? I don't.

Even if you didn't double post it, it's still ridiculous that someone would even think a rumor like that is worth posting.


Just thought it would be interesting for some people to read , I also said " for what it's worth " , so dont know the point in attacking me . Forgot that you were perfect maybe ..

And for the other guy asking about the site .. I dont know the site I took the link on the comments board of senschirp to open the discussions !

I like the homepage from the website he got that from.
"We take no responsibility for the accuracy or otherwise of the below published trade rumors". There is even a spot to post your own rumors, very accredited site

Even if you didn't double post it, it's still ridiculous that someone would even think a rumor like that is worth posting.

May not be that far fetched. Rumours are out there that the deal might involved Weircoch, Kovalev and a 1st for Bobby Ryan. I'm not sure what that other site is, but someone has obviously heard that same rumour. Obviously Kovalev would have to go to clear the cap space, maybe anaheim is really high on weircoch. Clearly the most talented player here is bobby ryan, but if they are still far apart on a deal maybe anaheim feels they have no choice but to move him.

I think I should get off the computer, I'm getting too hyped with all this trade talk. Hope it's true. :help:

May not be that far fetched. Rumours are out there that the deal might involved Weircoch, Kovalev and a 1st for Bobby Ryan. I'm not sure what that other site is, but someone has obviously heard that same rumour. Obviously Kovalev would have to go to clear the cap space, maybe anaheim is really high on weircoch. Clearly the most talented player here is bobby ryan, but if they are still far apart on a deal maybe anaheim feels they have no choice but to move him.

where is hells holy hell did you hear that? Ryan isn't coming to Ottawa. If he is I'll look like a fool but I really don't see a conceivable in which we acquire ryan

May not be that far fetched. Rumours are out there that the deal might involved Weircoch, Kovalev and a 1st for Bobby Ryan. I'm not sure what that other site is, but someone has obviously heard that same rumour. Obviously Kovalev would have to go to clear the cap space, maybe anaheim is really high on weircoch. Clearly the most talented player here is bobby ryan, but if they are still far apart on a deal maybe anaheim feels they have no choice but to move him.

Right , thanks !

I posted a rumor on that site: Semin for Kovalev. If it comes through it will be confirmed as 100% bogus rather than 99.9%

To all those people who are defending Backdoor:

Could you please tell those who don't know some of the trades or signings he has predicted? All I know about him is that he apparently lied about Spezza being traded. What has he done, I assume it must be a lot, to make you trust him after doing that?

Thanks,

I know that he called the Bryce Aneloski pick before it happened in the most recent draft, I was in that thread when it was posted so I can vouch for that. He supposedly called many other things, most notably the Kovalev signing, but I wasn't there so I can't say.

Hey guys , 1st post ! excuse my english I may make some mistakes as it's my 2nd language .


For what it's worth I thought I could pass it along to you :

http://www.nhl-trade-rumors.com/index.htm

TO ANA: Foligno & Kovalev

TO OTT: Bobby Ryan (signs a 4yr 16mil contract)


DONT yell at me I know we'd have to give a lot more but it's okay to dream isn't it ?

I literally laughed out loud when I saw this. Check out the actual site for some more good laughs.

How about this one:
Aug 31 2010 11:54:20
To Tor: Savard, Wheeler
To Bos: Kaberle, Finger, Caputi, Blacker :shakehead
Boston can punch their one way ticket to cap Hell this season, at least most of it comes off the books next year.

Sorry man, but I'm not remotely convinced. I'm gonna need to see more than your 5 posts before I believe you're a credible source as well.
BTW you're English is quite good, certainly better than my French. ;)

May not be that far fetched. Rumours are out there that the deal might involved Weircoch, Kovalev and a 1st for Bobby Ryan. I'm not sure what that other site is, but someone has obviously heard that same rumour. Obviously Kovalev would have to go to clear the cap space, maybe anaheim is really high on weircoch. Clearly the most talented player here is bobby ryan, but if they are still far apart on a deal maybe anaheim feels they have no choice but to move him.

An unproven prospect, an aging forward, and a 1st rounder in a weak draft for a young proven winger? Get 'er done Murray! :yo:

To all those people who are defending Backdoor:

Could you please tell those who don't know some of the trades or signings he has predicted? All I know about him is that he apparently lied about Spezza being traded. What has he done, I assume it must be a lot, to make you trust him after doing that?

Thanks,

From what most of us can determine, he must be a close relative to one of the Senators scouts. I can't give a perfect history of what he's called but these are some of them that happened recently this offseason:

-He said that Brent Flahr, former Director of Hockey Operations would be leaving for the Minnesota Wild (Correct: Roughly 3 weeks later Brent Flahr was named as the Assistant GM of the Minnesota Wild)

-He said we were scouting a big USHL Defenseman, and wanted to pick them in a later round. (Correct: Bryce Aneloski 7th round)

-He said the Senators were in the market for a big name UFA Defensemen this off season. (Correct: We signed Sergei Gonchar)

-He called the Foligno re-signing (Correct: It was announced that Foligno singed 2 days later)

There was some other stuff thrown around but I can't recall the exact details. You'll note that most of his predictions revolve around scouts in some fashion or another, so if he says we have a particular interest in X type of player at the draft table, there's usually some level of truth to it.

The incident that people typically trash him over is a stunt he pulled where he said that Spezza had been traded. I look at this situation as a "unique" incident given the circumstances. For the past couple weeks, people were trashing Spezza endlessly and saying we'd be better off without him. To combat this sort of talk, he announced that Spezza was traded, which generally resulted in 6-8 pages of people fuming and lamenting the fact that Murray would actually cave to the media pressure, and send off a key player for the club. He actually proved his point though that Spezza IS an extremely valued player for this team, and most of the mud slinging on these boards sort of went away after it all happened. He came out and admitted a few hours later that he made it all up just to show us what it might be like if Spezza were actually traded.

I don't exactly value that as a prediction that runs against his credibility. More like an ill advised stunt that some people took a little too seriously. I don't quite trust bdp 100% when it comes to things like trades or possible signings, but he seems to be very well connected to anything that relates to scouting.

I definitly think BDP is legit.

I definitly think BDP is legit.

So do I, unless he has decided he needs to teach us all a lesson again.

While I think BDP made a judgment error with the Spezza fiasco, he's definitely been right a lot + doubt he'd do that again. We'll have to wait and see. The only think I can imagine is Kovalev is NOT okay - and that he'll most likely be on the LTIR much, much longer than we all thought, thus clearing the way for a Foligno + for Savard deal. But we heard Kovalev say he's fine...so...maybe Kuba's worse off, something would have to happen to clear room. But this sounds like it would be Savard.

It is exciting when there is something to talk about in August. Let this be a sign of the coming of September and the hockey season! As for the rumor I think the BDP has some credibility. He only messed with us that one time everything else has been pretty legit. I guess I will just wait it out and see if anything big happens. I doubt it is Ryan though.

I definitly think BDP is legit.

I also think Robbie Lowes is legit

I know he is untouchable and it won't happen but, just for fun, what would Ottawa have to give Colorado for Duchene value wise?

I don't even know where to start without Karlsson, but how about
Cowen, Fisher, 1st rounder

Given the Sens glut of good D prospects and incredible lack of quality forward prospects, if you don't give Karlsson straight up for Duchene, you've lost your mind.

my guess would be savard.... he seems like the most obvious big name out there that has been linked to us for some time


keep the inside info coming BDP and JC :D

kovelev signing, also i think who heater was supposed to get traded to, also i beleive jason bailey, um hartsy maybe and who came in to meet the managment, there has been more, i also said regin for how much to

Can you give us a little hint on this deal you mentioned? come on man I'm dying for some sens rumors lol

The only player that really makes sense is Savard to me.

Savard already said he will only waive to Ottawa or the Leafs, he would instantly make us even more of a Cup contender now that we would finally have a legit 2nd line centre.

The waiting until training camp is interesting. If it is Savard, Murray might be waiting to see if the NHL does anything to his contract as Savard is apparently being investigated....

kovelev signing, also i think who heater was supposed to get traded to, also i beleive jason bailey, um hartsy maybe and who came in to meet the managment, there has been more, i also said regin for how much to

Just let us know if it's for Savard, damnit.

I'm hoping it isn't Savard. His contract is under investigation and it's probably not a good time to pick him up right now, or else we could risk trading for him and subsequently losing him for nothing.

It's kinda hard to envision a scenario where we'd trade for him, and he'd sign elsewhere since this is one of the places that he specifically asked to play. If we factored in cap numbers though, whatever circumvention mechanisms that are in his contract might not be available 'next time'.

Murray said he didn't like all this contract circumvention stuff, and he said a crackdown of sorts is going down (this Kovalchuk thing is basically fast tracking it as well). I can't see him picking up Savard unless the deal really sheds cap space for us, and doesn't involve any significant pieces.

LOL, nobody can liven up a thread like bdp.

Never change man, never change.

I'm hoping it isn't Savard. His contract is under investigation and it's probably not a good time to pick him up right now, or else we could risk trading for him and subsequently losing him for nothing.

It's kinda hard to envision a scenario where we'd trade for him, and he'd sign elsewhere since this is one of the places that he specifically asked to play. If we factored in cap numbers though, whatever circumvention mechanisms that are in his contract might not be available 'next time'.

Murray said he didn't like all this contract circumvention stuff, and he said a crackdown of sorts is going down (this Kovalchuk thing is basically fast tracking it as well). I can't see him picking up Savard unless the deal really sheds cap space for us, and doesn't involve any significant pieces.
I just don't see Boston and Ottawa being good trading partners. Boston is trying to clear some cap space and we can't take any on.

Personally I think the Ryan rumour may have legs...but perhaps that is wishful thinking :laugh: . We have a D prospect, a good young roster player and draft picks to send their way and as long as they take the Kovalev contract we would be in good shape heading forward.

I'm looking forward to see how this plays out.

Ottawa gets Ryan?
Yeah right. The most likely scenario is Anaheim management bite the bullet, accept that this is going to be a hard year and sign him. You don't get a guy like Ryan often, and they have good prospects coming up so the hard times shouldn't last. Sure the D is rather thin now, but we've seen stranger things happen.

Ottawa gets Savard?
Management just got rid of the Heatley deal thus preventing a scenario like Tampa with STL Vinny and Richards. People want another hand tying contract?

Maybe it is Ryane Clowe.

Maybe Murray will trade Ryane Clowe.


Maybe it is Lee to Carolina for Erik Cole.

Wow, for some reason I never thought of Bobby Ryan. There could be a deal to be made there but I doubt Anaheim is going to part with Ryan for any diminished return. BMurr would have to overpay. He'd get hung by this board for the price he'd have to pay.

Maybe it is Ryane Clowe.

Maybe Murray will trade Ryane Clowe.


Maybe it is Lee to Carolina for Erik Cole.

Hahaha, did you mean this as a joke or are you the real thing?

Guys, we're obviously signing Shayne Corson and Dimitri Yuskevich, buying out Kovalev and getting a younger, faster Sergei Berezin!

Great, now I'm addicted to this site again. I'm going to have to go cold turkey until the rookie tournament.

Great, now I'm addicted to this site again. I'm going to have to go cold turkey until the rookie tournament.

I immediately stopped going cold turkey.

So do I, unless he has decided he needs to teach us all a lesson again.

exactly - some of us are very sensitive, and don't like having our fragile ego's made fun of. Like me (E5)

The only player that really makes sense is Savard to me.

Savard already said he will only waive to Ottawa or the Leafs, he would instantly make us even more of a Cup contender now that we would finally have a legit 2nd line centre.

The waiting until training camp is interesting. If it is Savard, Murray might be waiting to see if the NHL does anything to his contract as Savard is apparently being investigated....

This.

Savard would make the Sens contenders and IF the Bruins are forced to give him away at a discount (something I don't really believe) then they'd prefer to make the deal with the Sens over the Leafs because of the upcoming 1st rounder.

I'm hoping it isn't Savard. His contract is under investigation and it's probably not a good time to pick him up right now, or else we could risk trading for him and subsequently losing him for nothing.


I think you are suggesting this contract gets voided? There is zero chance of that happening. The NHL is talking tough but there is no way they would change these existing contracts - think of all the teams that have planned their salary cap according to them.

Ottawa gets Ryan?
Ottawa gets Savard?
Management just got rid of the Heatley deal thus preventing a scenario like Tampa with STL Vinny and Richards. People want another hand tying contract?

You know that Savard makes $4M right? Like almost half of what Heatley/Richards got - its a steal.

I think you are suggesting this contract gets voided? There is zero chance of that happening. The NHL is talking tough but there is no way they would change these existing contracts - think of all the teams that have planned their salary cap according to them.



You know that Savard makes $4M right? Like almost half of what Heatley/Richards got - its a steal.

I think Savard makes 7M - but his cap hit is only 4M

I think Savard makes 7M - but his cap hit is only 4M

The only relevant number is 4M unless your name is Eugene

:hyper::hyper: Anything happen yet???:hyper::hyper:

anything.....:hyper: happen....:hyper: yet.......:hyper::hyper:????

The only relevant number is 4M unless your name is Eugene

Disagree. Especially with Eugene being fleeced by Heatley. The front office has to get his OK to add a big contract like that, so while you and I might not care it affects the management team's choices.

:hyper::hyper: Anything happen yet???:hyper::hyper:

anything.....:hyper: happen....:hyper: yet.......:hyper::hyper:????

Yes, we traded for Ryan, then sent him to the ECHL. And all because you were away from the board.

What are the rumoured possibilities and hopeful wishes based on BDP's assurance that this trade would make us a contender?

Savard -- maybe Kelly out? to make room at center
Ryan -- rumoured it's for Kovalev + Foligno
Vokoun -- Leclaire the other way

Which would you prefer? I think I'd like Ryan. Would hate to see Foligno go, though.