NBA Finals!

Douggy
06-02-2004, 12:23 PM
I'm going to be rooting for the Pistons here.

VO #23
06-02-2004, 12:24 PM
Me too, they're "my team".

littleHossa
06-02-2004, 12:30 PM
I'm saying the same thing that I said at the begining of the season, Toronto in 7.

mmbt
06-02-2004, 12:40 PM
Interesting note about the 2-3-2 format ... no team has ever won all 3 middle games at home, only the road team has ever managed to sweep those games. It's very difficult to win 3 straight at home against a championship-level opponent, especially one with home court advantage (which presumably means they're the somewhat better team).

What that means is that Detroit likely must win at least 2 of 4 in LA. A tough task, since LA is unbeaten at Staples during the playoffs.

Another interesting bit of trivia, Phil Jackson has never lost a series in which his team has held home court advantage. And we're talking around 40 series.

VO #23
06-02-2004, 12:42 PM
Another interesting bit of trivia, Phil Jackson has never lost a series in which his team has held home court advantage. And we're talking around 40 series.

Phil Jackson is a great coach, but he has also been blessed with great players.

Belgian Fan
06-02-2004, 01:12 PM
Lakers in 5, maybe six

The Pistons stopping the Pacers and Nets is one thing, but stopping Kobe, Shaq and the rest is another.

mmbt
06-02-2004, 01:36 PM
Phil Jackson is a great coach, but he has also been blessed with great players.

True, but other coaches have had great players and not had as much success. And until a coach manages to win championships with a roster full of scrubs, the, "Jackson had great players," argument tends to come off as a double standard, since other championship coaches aren't held to that same standard.

That he's never lost with HCA is a mark of greatness; basically, give him the better team and he never loses. It may not sound like much, but you can't say the same about any other coach ... not Riley, not Brown, no one. They've all lost to teams that were inferior. Every other coach has managed to choke away a series when they were favored, except for Jackson.

In fact, out of his 9 championships, many of those years his team was not the consensus pick to win it all. Jackson wins when he's supposed to, and sometimes even when he's not.

It's also worth noting that with both Chicago and LA, many felt that neither team was capable of winning a championship prior to his arrival. Jordan was too selfish, Pippen too inconsistent, Shaq couldn't hit FTs, and Kobe was out of control. And neither team was perceived to have much depth at all. But Jackson managed to squeeze a lot out of role players who many said were washed up, or career scrubs; plus he gets talented players to fully realize their greatness.

Unholy Diver
06-02-2004, 01:38 PM
Lakers in 5

Detroit just dosent have the horses to keep up with LA

The Guy on the Couch*
06-02-2004, 01:41 PM
:lol This is too easy...

Lakers in 4.

USC Trojans
06-02-2004, 01:42 PM
Lakers in 5. Too much talent on that Laker team.

The Piston's defence will give the Lakers fits, but now its time for Malone and GP to show just how much they want that ring. And after last year (crying on the bench), you can bet Kobe will step it up another notch cause of the uncertainty of his trial. For all he knows, this could be his last season in the NBA.

Safir*
06-02-2004, 02:06 PM
Lakers in five.

AJW
06-02-2004, 02:08 PM
I think you guys picking the Lakers in 5 or less are seriously underestimating the Pistons. The Pistons D is that good. Don't forget the Pistons were 1-1 against the Lakers this season, and that was before they aquired Rasheed. This series will go six or seven, IMO. Unfortunately I do think the Lakers will win. My official prediction is Lakers in 7.

Unholy Diver
06-02-2004, 02:20 PM
I think you guys picking the Lakers in 5 or less are seriously underestimating the Pistons. The Pistons D is that good. Don't forget the Pistons were 1-1 against the Lakers this season, and that was before they aquired Rasheed. This series will go six or seven, IMO. Unfortunately I do think the Lakers will win. My official prediction is Lakers in 7.
I like the pistons, in fact they are one of my favorite teams but they just dont have anyone that can put points up at a rate that will keep them in the game

the pistons rolled through the east with their defense but the nets and pacers were basically jump shooting teams, and the nets couldnt make a shot to save their lives

the pacers couldve had a chance if they went to jermaine o'neal more often but they reverted back to the old pacers of reggie miller

the lakers will pound the ball down to shaq all day and he will eat big ben and rasheed alive

and as far as splitting the season series with LA, did Malone play in either of the games?

guinness
06-02-2004, 02:39 PM
I say the Pistons in 7, the PIstons don't put up a lot of points, but like in a lot of other sports, if they play hard as a team and their defense holds up, they'll make the Lakers work for everything they get.

mmbt
06-02-2004, 02:40 PM
I think you guys picking the Lakers in 5 or less are seriously underestimating the Pistons. The Pistons D is that good. Don't forget the Pistons were 1-1 against the Lakers this season, and that was before they aquired Rasheed. This series will go six or seven, IMO. Unfortunately I do think the Lakers will win. My official prediction is Lakers in 7.

Regular season matchups mean nothing. The Wolves were 3-1 against LA in the regular season, after all. Didn't help them any.

Detroit has a great defense no doubt, but even if you contain LA (which means holding them below 90) you still have to score against them, and the Lakers have played some pretty furious defense themselves in the postseason (as they always seem to do after displaying a lazy regular season defense).

Just more stats about the middle 3 games in the 2-3-2 format, the ROAD team has gone:
3-0 three times
2-0 twice
2-1 five times
1-2 nine times
0-2 once

The current format strongly favors the team with home court. Furthermore, no team has ever lost both games 6 and 7 at home, and only three teams have dropped game 6 at home to lose the series.

canucksfan
06-02-2004, 02:48 PM
Lakers in 5

AJW
06-02-2004, 03:48 PM
I like the pistons, in fact they are one of my favorite teams but they just dont have anyone that can put points up at a rate that will keep them in the game

the pistons rolled through the east with their defense but the nets and pacers were basically jump shooting teams, and the nets couldnt make a shot to save their lives

the pacers couldve had a chance if they went to jermaine o'neal more often but they reverted back to the old pacers of reggie miller

the lakers will pound the ball down to shaq all day and he will eat big ben and rasheed alive

and as far as splitting the season series with LA, did Malone play in either of the games?

Malone and Payton both played in the game the Pistons won.

After Detroit, Indy and NJ were two of the best defensive teams in the leauge. No one in the west outside of SA plays defense anywhere near like what the Pistons play. Was it great D or bad O? We'll find out soon, I think it was more great D than bad O.

The Pistons do have capable scorers. Vs the Bucks, the Pistons averaged 98pts a game. Obviously the Bucks are not the Lakers, but Rip, Sheed, Billups, Williamson can all score. Memo could be huge in this series. Up to now Brown hasn't been using him, but he can put up the points when called upon.

I'm not even saying the Pistons are going to win. I really think the Lakers will pull it out. But the Pistons have a shot, the best shot any Eastern team has had in quite awhile. I'm saying the Pistons are better than people give them credit for, and they will win more than one game. JMO.

AJW
06-02-2004, 04:01 PM
Regular season matchups mean nothing. The Wolves were 3-1 against LA in the regular season, after all. Didn't help them any.

Detroit has a great defense no doubt, but even if you contain LA (which means holding them below 90) you still have to score against them, and the Lakers have played some pretty furious defense themselves in the postseason (as they always seem to do after displaying a lazy regular season defense).

Just more stats about the middle 3 games in the 2-3-2 format, the ROAD team has gone:
3-0 three times
2-0 twice
2-1 five times
1-2 nine times
0-2 once

The current format strongly favors the team with home court. Furthermore, no team has ever lost both games 6 and 7 at home, and only three teams have dropped game 6 at home to lose the series.

No, I agree the regular season is not a great indicator of what will turn out in the post season. My point in bring up the record was that the Pistons beat the Lakers w/o Rasheed Wallace, and the Pistons are far superior now to the team they had at that time. Rasheed has dramatically improved the Pistons, without him, they don't even beat New Jersey. Was LA just sleepwalking? Entirely possible. At the same time, just because the Pistons haven't lit up the scoreboard doesn't mean they can't score, they have plenty of capable scorers, could just be a case of playing to the level of your competition/doing enough to win, or simply, as I believe, they faced the 2nd and 3rd best defensive teams in the league (Pistons averaged 98pts a game vs the Bucks, and going back to the regular season, after aquiring Wallace, the Pistons scored much more than earlier in the season) We'll see. Again, I think the Lakers will win the series, but I just don't think they're going to roll the Pistons, I really see Detroit winning 2 games or so.

USC Trojans
06-02-2004, 05:43 PM
I like how everytime Memo scores a basket, they play the "Did you get my Memo" scene from Office Space.

golfmade
06-02-2004, 05:54 PM
Defense wins championships. Pistons in 6.

Motown Beatdown
06-02-2004, 06:29 PM
I dont know if the Pistons will win, but they will give LA a battle. The Pistons will need all their scores to come up big. The Pacers are a better team defensive team than the Laker's. So expect the Pistons to be able to score better than they did in the previous series. The Pistons are the best defensive team in the NBA and rarely give up easy baskets. The Laker's are gonna have to work hard every possession. No one in the media is giving the Stones any credit, LB and the players love to be the under dog.

My question is will Phil have Kobe guard Rip?

lux_interior
06-02-2004, 11:23 PM
Lakers in 6.

Gibsons Finest
06-03-2004, 01:03 AM
The Lakers have got their 4th in 5 years here. As great as Detroit has been doing, I just know the Lakers are going to win it for the mailman and the glove. They really deserve to win one. I don't know how many games it'll last, but the Lakers are my pick to win.

golfmade
06-03-2004, 01:06 AM
My question is will Phil have Kobe guard Rip?

Most likely, although Artest finally broke down trying to guard him, and considering how much work Kobe will do on offense, trying to also guard Rip should be a bit tiring, but we'll just have to wait and see.

MatsSundin13
06-03-2004, 06:21 AM
I say Lakers in 6...i think pistons will put up a bit more of a fight then you people are claiming...I think the lakers could have a problem getting through this tough tough defence...but we'll have to wait till sunday to find out :)

Porn*
06-03-2004, 07:41 AM
If there was any team that could handle the lakers its the pistons!!!

What other team has two power houses down the middle in wallace and wallace???

I'm cheering for detroit cause i hate the lakers and rasheed wallace is one of my fav players in the league :yo:

Belgian Fan
06-03-2004, 07:55 AM
What other team has two power houses down the middle in wallace and wallace???


The Lakers, with Shaq and Malone...:p:
And how about the Spurs with Duncan and Nesterovic? Rasha was underperforming though in the playoffs


Seriously, I have been mightily impressed with Sheed thus far, he's managed to keep himself under control. However, I'm willing to see if he will be able to control himself against Malone, who will be trying all he can to destabilise Wallace. And if Wallace lets himself get carried away, his effectiveness goes way down.

Porn*
06-03-2004, 08:08 AM
The Lakers, with Shaq and Malone...:p:
And how about the Spurs with Duncan and Nesterovic? Rasha was underperforming though in the playoffs


Seriously, I have been mightily impressed with Sheed thus far, he's managed to keep himself under control. However, I'm willing to see if he will be able to control himself against Malone, who will be trying all he can to destabilise Wallace. And if Wallace lets himself get carried away, his effectiveness goes way down.
granted...but he's out of portland which was clearly full of crazies to begin with :joker:

I think he'll be ok...

GKJ
06-03-2004, 08:28 AM
I never thought I'd root for the Lakers, but the Pistons piss me off because of Larry Brown. He needs to get a good spakin' after the way he dissed off Philadelphia and left our team in shambles.

And if Shaq decides he wants to win, well by all means, Lakers will win

Motown Beatdown
06-03-2004, 09:16 AM
The Lakers, with Shaq and Malone...:p:
And how about the Spurs with Duncan and Nesterovic? Rasha was underperforming though in the playoffs


Seriously, I have been mightily impressed with Sheed thus far, he's managed to keep himself under control. However, I'm willing to see if he will be able to control himself against Malone, who will be trying all he can to destabilise Wallace. And if Wallace lets himself get carried away, his effectiveness goes way down.


You might see Ben Wallace on the Mailman with Rasweed playing the 3 when the Pistons go with their "big lineup". Alot will depend on foul trouble. Luckly the Pistons have 3 guys right around 7ft on the bench. Including Darko would might be used to hack a shaq. It's to bad the Pistons trade Zelly. They could use another 7 footer this series.
Even though LB hate the Zone defense he might be forced to play it.

One thing the Pistons have is alot of versatile players. Prince can play PG, SG or SF. Sheed can play PF or SF. Ben can play C or PF, same with Okur.

Epoch
06-03-2004, 10:00 AM
Pistons in 7.

LuckyLUC20
06-03-2004, 05:41 PM
Lakers in 5 or 6.

I just don't think the Pistons can score enough points to beat them. As far as I'm concerned, the championship was won in the Conference Semi-Finals against the Spurs. I'd love to see the Lakers sweep the Pistons. Nothing would make me happier. :D

mmbt
06-04-2004, 11:43 AM
You might see Ben Wallace on the Mailman with Rasweed playing the 3 when the Pistons go with their "big lineup". Alot will depend on foul trouble. Luckly the Pistons have 3 guys right around 7ft on the bench. Including Darko would might be used to hack a shaq. It's to bad the Pistons trade Zelly. They could use another 7 footer this series.
Even though LB hate the Zone defense he might be forced to play it.

One thing the Pistons have is alot of versatile players. Prince can play PG, SG or SF. Sheed can play PF or SF. Ben can play C or PF, same with Okur.

Yeah, the zone might be their only hope, because they simply do not have anyone to guard Kobe or Shaq one on one. That means double teams, that means open shots for the likes of Fisher and Rush. But that's nothing new, there's really no way to play the Lakers straight up, and that includes the best defenses in the NBA (SA and Hou were 1 and 2 in FG% defense this season).

Unfortunately for the Pistons, the multiple PF defense historically doesn't work against Shaq (most notable failure being Portland).

This is the first team Detroit will face where they absolutely have to double team.

golfmade
06-07-2004, 02:18 AM
Defense wins championships.

And wins games. Holding the Lakers to 75 points, at home? Sweet.

David A. Rainer
06-07-2004, 02:49 AM
Unfortunately for the Pistons, the multiple PF defense historically doesn't work against Shaq (most notable failure being Portland).


And most notable success - Chicago. With Chandler and Curry, they held Shaq to 15.5 pts/g this season and 15.0 pts/g last season. The dobule PF set will work against Shaq, you just need the right PFs. Tall and extremely athletic that allow them to front him and double team him while being athletic enough to get back to their own man. Shaq did well tonight, but Detroit made it very difficult on him. He scored a lot of off balance shots (when he wasn't dunking, that is).

golfmade
06-08-2004, 10:03 PM
Very low scoring game so far, just the way the Pistons want it. Sounds like Malone is out too, knee injury I think.

And boy Walton is sure giving the Lakers offense life.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 10:25 PM
44-36 LA through the first half...

Man Walton is doing great, I think 5 assists.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:09 PM
Pistons coming back to life! Now only down 3!!

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:18 PM
Despite being as many as 11 points down, the Pistons go into the 4th only down 2.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:26 PM
Hunter with a three pointer, Rush answers with a shot of his own. Pistons lead by 1.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:40 PM
Nice anticipation by Big Ben, draws a foul and it's Shaq's 5th.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:51 PM
What a nail biting finish... 1:30 to go!

DJ Spinoza
06-08-2004, 11:53 PM
Ben Wallace :bow: :handclap:

89-86 with 30 seconds to go, this is a great game.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:53 PM
Pistons lead by 4, one minute to go.

golfmade
06-08-2004, 11:58 PM
10.9 to go, Lakers down 3 with the ball.

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:00 AM
Kobe drains a 3 pointer, damn.

DJ Spinoza
06-09-2004, 12:02 AM
Agreed. Kobe's money though, I knew that was going in before he even let the ball go.

Hopefully Detroit can come out with the same intensity they had in the fourth.

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:02 AM
Pistons turn it over. We're going to overtime.

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:04 AM
Agreed. Kobe's money though, I knew that was going in before he even let the ball go.

Hopefully Detroit can come out with the same intensity they had in the fourth.

We'll see, although I think a lot of it has to do with the coaching. Jackson has been outcoached the entire 2nd half, how he doesn't play Walton at all in the third qtr and barely in the 4th when he was the one in the first half that kept the offense turning is beyond me.

DJ Spinoza
06-09-2004, 12:06 AM
Detroit's not looking too good right now, LA is up by 4. Kobe and Shaq each with 5 fouls.

Tuggy
06-09-2004, 12:08 AM
Lets go Pistons...

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:09 AM
Shot clock violation in OT, jesus Detroit....

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:13 AM
Kobe is unstoppable... :banghead:

golfmade
06-09-2004, 12:14 AM
Well one thing is for sure, Staples fans are used to shouting "luccccccc" now they get to shout "Lukkkkkeeee"

jfont
06-09-2004, 12:55 AM
Well one thing is for sure, Staples fans are used to shouting "luccccccc" now they get to shout "Lukkkkkeeee"
yeah baby! yeah! :banana: :jump:

mmbt
06-09-2004, 01:16 AM
We'll see, although I think a lot of it has to do with the coaching. Jackson has been outcoached the entire 2nd half, how he doesn't play Walton at all in the third qtr and barely in the 4th when he was the one in the first half that kept the offense turning is beyond me.

Brown got COMPLETELY outcoached at the end of the game. They didn't foul Shaq with a 3 point lead, they didn't double Kobe (what, did he think Malone or Shaq was going to take the 3?), they didn't seem to have any idea what they wanted to do on offense for the final 2 minutes plus OT, and they suddenly decide not to switch out on Kobe on pick and rolls in OT and let him repeatedly get to the hole. Brutal decision making, just brutal.

kruezer
06-09-2004, 01:26 AM
Wow, what a game, I think ShaqKobe is still just too much, if they decide to win this series there's no stopping them (Unless its the Spurs, but they dealt with Duncan already) Big Ben was a beast, but there just isn't anybody who can deal with Shaq, I can't believe they didn't foul when he got the ball on the inbounds with 10 secs left, I'd take a free throw contest with Shaq (Shaq is pretty clutch shooting FT's though, does anybody have stats on his last two minute of games FT %?) over hoping for Kobe to miss a clutch three anyday.

Digger12
06-09-2004, 02:11 AM
Brown got COMPLETELY outcoached at the end of the game. They didn't foul Shaq with a 3 point lead, they didn't double Kobe (what, did he think Malone or Shaq was going to take the 3?), they didn't seem to have any idea what they wanted to do on offense for the final 2 minutes plus OT, and they suddenly decide not to switch out on Kobe on pick and rolls in OT and let him repeatedly get to the hole. Brutal decision making, just brutal.

Funny thing...around a minute before Kobe tore out the Pistons' collective hearts with 2.1 seconds to go, the commentators were showing stats on how Kobe's 3 point shooting % went down to like 16% in 4th quarters in the playoffs. :lol

The irony was just sickening.

golfmade
06-09-2004, 02:15 AM
Brown got COMPLETELY outcoached at the end of the game. They didn't foul Shaq with a 3 point lead, they didn't double Kobe (what, did he think Malone or Shaq was going to take the 3?), they didn't seem to have any idea what they wanted to do on offense for the final 2 minutes plus OT, and they suddenly decide not to switch out on Kobe on pick and rolls in OT and let him repeatedly get to the hole. Brutal decision making, just brutal.

Yes, and while not defending his coaching at the end and OT, if it wasn't for him they most of likely wouldn't have overcome the 11 point difference in the third and they wouldn't have been where they were near the end of the game. And let's not forget it was Shaq's FT near the end of the game that brought the Lakers to within 3...

That said, doesn't dispute the lack of coaching at the end and in OT.

Motown Beatdown
06-09-2004, 08:49 AM
Brown did get out coached in the last few minutes of that game and in OT.
1st he should have told his team to foul Shaq if he touched the ball. Second, Prince and his "length" should have been on Kobe in the final seconds. And finally Shaq had 5 fouls late in the 4th, and Kobe got his 5th foul in OT. And the Pistons did not got after them except one time. Force them to defend and hope they pick up that 6th foul.

But the good news is we all know the Pistons can play and score on this lakers team. It is gonna be a GREAT series.

golfmade
06-09-2004, 04:11 PM
Second, Prince and his "length" should have been on Kobe in the final seconds.

I didn't see it but most the announcers I heard said Kobe took the final shot further away from the 3point line before Prince could defend him or get up in the air to block it. :dunno:

golfmade
06-10-2004, 09:20 PM
Game is underway, Malone wearing a knee brace and only 2 FG's so far, both by the Pistons.

golfmade
06-10-2004, 11:24 PM
Total domination by Detroit tonight. Brown got his guys going from the first minute and they ran with it. About 9 to go in the 4th and they're up 20.

You know it's bad when one Detroit player has more points than Kobe and Shaq combined.

DJ Spinoza
06-10-2004, 11:26 PM
To quote the dumb McDonald's commercials:

"I'm lovin' it!"

Tuggy
06-10-2004, 11:31 PM
To quote the dumb McDonald's commercials:

"I'm lovin' it!"

I second that :D :banana:

golfmade
06-10-2004, 11:46 PM
Darko is in!! :yo:

golfmade
06-10-2004, 11:50 PM
And wins games. Holding the Lakers to 75 points, at home? Sweet.

The Pistons hold the Lakers to 68 points, first time ever in NBA playoff history the Lakers have not scored more than 70 points.

GOOOOOO PISTONS!!!! :yo: :banana: :jump:

Tuggy
06-10-2004, 11:55 PM
The Pistons hold the Lakers to 68 points, first time ever in NBA playoff history the Lakers have not scored more than 70 points.

GOOOOOO PISTONS!!!! :yo: :banana: :jump:

:handclap: :yo:

Doomsday Device
06-11-2004, 01:12 AM
Darko is in!! :yo:

Are those white earrings that he's wearing? It looks like he taped reinforcements to his ears.

Motown Beatdown
06-11-2004, 08:02 AM
Are those white earrings that he's wearing? It looks like he taped reinforcements to his ears.


I think it's because he just got his ears pierced and you cant take out your ear-rings for a few weeks (i think) So he just taped over them

Jori
06-11-2004, 06:45 PM
I think it's because he just got his ears pierced and you cant take out your ear-rings for a few weeks (i think) So he just taped over them
When I first saw him I thought he had some big rocks in his ears :joker:

golfmade
06-13-2004, 07:21 PM
I'm psyched for tonight's game, especially since i'll be able to watch it! :yo:

ParisSaintGermain
06-13-2004, 07:25 PM
Should be a good game. Lakers can't afford to lose.
But the way they played this series they already should be 3-0 down as the Pistons really dominated them in all three games. I can't wait to watch this one, but this will be a tape delay for me.

DJ Spinoza
06-13-2004, 11:32 PM
Pistons up by 5 with 6 minutes left.

DJ Spinoza
06-13-2004, 11:43 PM
Lakers are starting to fall apart, technical on Kobe. Plus the foul.

Detroit up by 10 with just under 5 minutes left. Still plenty of time, unfortunately.

Nice shot by Kobe, lead is 8.

golfmade
06-13-2004, 11:44 PM
Cmon crowd, get loud!!!

golfmade
06-13-2004, 11:52 PM
What a shot by Rasheed.

DJ Spinoza
06-13-2004, 11:56 PM
He's on fire. :bow:

golfmade
06-14-2004, 12:01 AM
BOOYAH

Defense wins, and the Detroit defense has yet again held the almighty Lakers to low points. Only manage to get 80 tonight.

:yo: :banana: :yo: :banana: :yo:

And I love how Phil is talking smack at the every end of the game with Rip at the line. Keep talking Phil, keep talking.

X8oD
06-14-2004, 12:07 AM
ill i have to say is.

I LOVE SEEING GROWN MEN WHINE WHEN ITS 4 HALL OF FAMERS WHINING AT THE SAME TIME.

back to your regularly scheduled Laker-hatin

ehc73
06-14-2004, 01:50 AM
ill i have to say is.

I LOVE SEEING GROWN MEN WHINE WHEN ITS 4 HALL OF FAMERS WHINING AT THE SAME TIME.

back to your regularly scheduled Laker-hatin

To paraphrase Doc Rivers, "Everyone's been talking to ref. Phil Jackson's been talking to the ref, Kobe Bryant's been talking to the ref, Gary Payton's been talking to the ref, Karl Malone's been talking to the ref. The only one not talking to the ref is Shaq. And he's the only one playing basketball." :lol

Coffey77
06-14-2004, 01:54 AM
Not a huge basketball fan but this is great. Genius plan by Detroit coach Brown IMO. He realizes that Shaq and Kobe are going to get their points no matter what so he lets them. Shaq is hard to stop 2 on 1, so why bother? Instead he has his players smother the rest of the team making it a 5 on 2 essentially. :bow:

Over the years I've seen teams try and double team Shaq. That opens another teammate on the Lakers and Shaq usually scores anyway.

And it's funny to hear the Lakers still blaming themselves and not crediting the Pistons.

X8oD
06-14-2004, 03:43 AM
And it's funny to hear the Lakers still blaming themselves and not crediting the Pistons.

Shaq quote after the game

"We still havent executed, but the pressure is on them. they have to close us out."

LoLOLOLOlolOLOLolol

[deep breath]

LoLolololOLolOlOLOLOL

ehc73
06-14-2004, 03:50 AM
Not a huge basketball fan but this is great. Genius plan by Detroit coach Brown IMO. He realizes that Shaq and Kobe are going to get their points no matter what so he lets them. Shaq is hard to stop 2 on 1, so why bother? Instead he has his players smother the rest of the team making it a 5 on 2 essentially. :bow:

Over the years I've seen teams try and double team Shaq. That opens another teammate on the Lakers and Shaq usually scores anyway.

And it's funny to hear the Lakers still blaming themselves and not crediting the Pistons.
Actually, they're letting Shaq get his and triple teaming Kobe. They're bringing the guy who guards Malone down to prevent the pass to Shaq. Why? Because Malone's bum knee prevents him from shooting worth a damn. It's quite a simplistic defensive ploy. Plus, all the other Laker players are sucking horribly from the field, so that's allowing the Pistons to collapse down on Kobe even more.

Coffey77
06-14-2004, 08:07 AM
Actually, they're letting Shaq get his and triple teaming Kobe. They're bringing the guy who guards Malone down to prevent the pass to Shaq. Why? Because Malone's bum knee prevents him from shooting worth a damn. It's quite a simplistic defensive ploy. Plus, all the other Laker players are sucking horribly from the field, so that's allowing the Pistons to collapse down on Kobe even more.

Shaq's still getting his points. I think he had 36 last game. Bryant had 20 although he struggled. And the rest of the team is silent. No one else had 10 points. That's sad. Don't know what the Lakers can do really. No secondary scoring at all.

Malone looks done. His knee has retarded his mobility and R. Wallace has taken advantage of that big time.

Motown Beatdown
06-14-2004, 10:41 AM
Has this series been great or what? I love listening to The Zen master cry about every game about the fouls and free throws. He still cant realize if you are not aggressive your not gotta get any calls. Shooting a ton of 3 pointers is not the way to get to the charity stripe. Plus alot of the fouls on the Lakers are out of laziness and being out of position.

The Lakers should be in this series, but for some reason they forget about the Big man. In the final 7 minutes of the 1st half, Shaq touched the ball ONCE. Not one shot attempt, but one touch. The Pistons got back into the game at this point.

The fact is the Pistons are younger, longer, faster, more agreesive than the Lakers and it's showing. If Phil wants to see why the Lakers are losing he needs to stop just looking at the free throw shoot stats, he needs to look at 3 point attempts, turnovers, fast break points and offensive rebounds. Thats the difference in this series, not the refs.

rwilson99
06-14-2004, 11:00 AM
To paraphrase Doc Rivers, "Everyone's been talking to ref. Phil Jackson's been talking to the ref, Kobe Bryant's been talking to the ref, Gary Payton's been talking to the ref, Karl Malone's been talking to the ref. The only one not talking to the ref is Shaq. And he's the only one playing basketball." :lol

They look like the Calgary Flames... I can't wait for Karl Malone to claim there is a league wide conspiracy against him getting a ring.

Here comes the Davidson Double.

X8oD
06-14-2004, 12:55 PM
They look like the Calgary Flames... I can't wait for Karl Malone to claim there is a league wide conspiracy against him getting a ring.

Here comes the Davidson Double.

when ever i see or hear Karl Malone, I only think of the skit on the Man Show.

"Karl Malone is a basketball player, and Karl Malone wants a ring. Not a pretty shiny ring, but am NBA Champship Ring"

golfmade
06-14-2004, 02:38 PM
when ever i see or hear Karl Malone, I only think of the skit on the Man Show.

"Karl Malone is a basketball player, and Karl Malone wants a ring. Not a pretty shiny ring, but am NBA Champship Ring"

I've met him before and seriously, even off camera he talks like that.

X8oD
06-14-2004, 03:28 PM
cue up the calgary comparisons lol.

Lakers announcers says there is a conspiracy. The Refs have been horrible amd biased, and the league doesnt want the lakers to win, they just want them in the finals for ratings. And then a new champion.

And while not a calgary conspiracy [hehe] Kobe Bryant guarenteed victory in game 5. I love it, it just means hes gonna hoist all those shots again [8 for 25 lol] and not do what they have to do to win.

TVanek26*
06-14-2004, 04:00 PM
Lakers in 7!!!I want Karl to win,hopefully if Lakers do win,Gary Payton gets cut before game 7 so he doesn't get a ring.This guy is just bringing the team down with him.

X8oD
06-14-2004, 04:37 PM
for what its worth... This could be the best poetic justice in the history of sports management.

The pistons booked Aretha Franklin prior to the series to sing the national anthem for game 5. With the pistons having the chance to close it out in 5, it could be said that.

<bad bad bad joke>

The Fat Lady will be signing

</bad bad bad joke>

golfmade
06-14-2004, 04:48 PM
for what its worth... This could be the best poetic justice in the history of sports management.

The pistons booked Aretha Franklin prior to the series to sing the national anthem for game 5. With the pistons having the chance to close it out in 5, it could be said that.

<bad bad bad joke>

The Fat Lady will be signing

</bad bad bad joke>

Better yet, how about she also sings "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" ? :lol

zecke26
06-14-2004, 06:06 PM
i hope the pistons finish it off in game 5. otherwise i have bad bad feelings. as a long time pistons fan it's nice to see that there's a "team". i was sad when grant hill left, but now everything is ok. :)

GO PISTONS!

bert2nazzy
06-14-2004, 08:04 PM
I am so happy the Lakers are down 3-1...o man do i hate this lakers team, they try to buy the championship, I hope Malone and Payton whine and ***** after Detroit finishes em off!

but on the Serious and non bias note, I think the Lakers can come back and win this thing, they're very talented, and if they get their groove back together...WatchOut! But lets all hope that it doen't happen! ;) :handclap:

jfont
06-15-2004, 12:25 AM
i guess an advanced congratulations to littleHossa is in order here...he's the only one that predicted detroit would win in 5....

:cry: :cry:

Vyacheslav
06-15-2004, 12:34 AM
I picked Lakers in 6 but I am plesantly surprised.

Motown Beatdown
06-15-2004, 08:02 AM
You know it would be nice to see the Pistons win it on home court. Both of their last two championships have been won while they were on the road.

golfmade
06-15-2004, 08:55 PM
What's the over/under on Shaq jumping early at the tip yet again?

golfmade
06-15-2004, 08:59 PM
Not a huge surprise, but Malone isn't playing tonight.

golfmade
06-15-2004, 09:31 PM
Thank you Phil, since you pulled Shaq (with only 2 fouls) Pistons have gone 8-0. :yo:

DJ Spinoza
06-15-2004, 09:34 PM
Pistons!!!!!!!!!!! :banana:

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 09:58 PM
LETS GO PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :yo: :yo: :yo: :yo:

golfmade
06-15-2004, 10:21 PM
How 'bout Okur?? :eek: :yo:

rwilson99
06-15-2004, 10:24 PM
LETS GO PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :yo: :yo: :yo: :yo:

It's looking like a great night to be a Laker Hater.

DJ Spinoza
06-15-2004, 11:03 PM
Lakers are totally falling apart!!!

This is awesome!!! :banana:

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:05 PM
Lakers are totally falling apart!!!

This is awesome!!! :banana:

I second the :banana: :yo:

Could we see 100 points tonight :eek:

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:06 PM
Big Ben is having a hell of a night, good time for it too. 14 points(?) and 14 rebounds so far.

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:08 PM
Big Ben is having a hell of a night, good time for it too. 14 points(?) and 14 rebounds so far.

Make that 14 and 15 :banana:

DJ Spinoza
06-15-2004, 11:09 PM
23 point lead headed into the 4th!!! :yo:

V for Voodoo
06-15-2004, 11:11 PM
Awesome. Almost as good as seeing the Yankees lose.

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:21 PM
Has an owner of more than one team, ever won the championship with more than one of his teams in the same season? Um not sure if I worded that right, but Davidson is about to.

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:33 PM
Has an owner of more than one team, ever won the championship with more than one of his teams in the same season? Um not sure if I worded that right, but Davidson is about to.

Talk about a good year for him :eek:

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:40 PM
WE WANT DARKO :handclap:

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:41 PM
Will the Pistons get some RESPECT now? :yo:

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:43 PM
WE WANT DARKO :handclap:

You've got him! :banana:

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:43 PM
You've got him! :banana:
:joker: :banana: :bow: DARKO

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:45 PM
Finals MVP anyone?

Big Ben ? Rich Hamilton? Sheed?

My vote goes to Ben.

Vagrant
06-15-2004, 11:45 PM
Gary Payton and Karl Malone

Combined NBA All-Star apperances: 23
Combined NBA Championships: 0

Payton's Career Points: 19,956
Malone's Career Points: 36,928

Combined Career Points: 56,884


Combined Points in NBA Finals deciding Game 5: 2


Nice offseason pickups, Lakers! :lol:

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:46 PM
Finals MVP anyone?

Big Ben ? Rich Hamilton? Sheed?

My vote goes to Ben.

Big Ben.

golfmade
06-15-2004, 11:47 PM
Detroit Pistons Win!!!!!!

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:51 PM
:bow: Pistons :bow:

Tuggy
06-15-2004, 11:53 PM
Let the speculation begin...where will Kobe go...definately not Denver :joker:

X8oD
06-15-2004, 11:55 PM
its buggin me....

im already seeing some ass's on TV. Nothing more than just hootin' 'n Hollering. But i hope the fringe idiots out in the burbs dont fack this up.

Porn*
06-16-2004, 12:04 AM
who said rasheed would do well??? ME... i knew he'd come through :handclap: :yo: :bow:

Jori
06-16-2004, 12:05 AM
Congrats to Chauncey Billups...nice to see a kid from Park Hill make it big :handclap:

I'll be heading to Detroit in a couple a months...I hope the city is still standing :lol

Congrats Pistons!!! :banana:

rwilson99
06-16-2004, 12:18 AM
Has an owner of more than one team, ever won the championship with more than one of his teams in the same season? Um not sure if I worded that right, but Davidson is about to.

Since double ownership situations are so rare it is very unlikely. The NFL specifically prohibits it, and the only others I can think of are Time-Warner (Thrashers, Hawks and Braves), Leonsis (Caps & Bullets), Disney (Angels & Ducks)

The local ABC affiliate just reported that Bill Davidson is the first owner to win two major pro sports championships in the same year; this unique feat doesn't even acount for his defending secondary league championships with the Detroit Shock (WNBA) and Tampa Bay Storm (Arena Football).

In honor of Mick Illich, the pizza man, let's congratulate Bill Davidson on Championship! Championship! :banana:

kov
06-16-2004, 12:28 AM
Gary Payton and Karl Malone

Combined Points in NBA Finals deciding Game 5: 2

Nice offseason pickups, Lakers! :lol:

Oh, c'mon, that's being way too hard on Malone. Just because he plays for LA doesn't mean that he [edit: ISN'T] one of the true greats of the game and a classy guy who played with heart every single game. he's been so rock solid for so many years, who would have guessed he'd have injuries this year?

bert2nazzy
06-16-2004, 02:38 AM
What a game! i am so happy the Pistons won it, and didnt let those filthy stinking lakers win another championchip.

X8oD
06-16-2004, 03:08 AM
Oh, c'mon, that's being way too hard on Malone. Just because he plays for LA doesn't mean that he [edit: ISN'T] one of the true greats of the game and a classy guy who played with heart every single game. he's been so rock solid for so many years, who would have guessed he'd have injuries this year?

here in detroit its a given you have to hate Karl Malone after the crap with him, Lambier and Isiah [see the scar above Isiah's eye for another reason]

it was odd seeing Karl Malones daughter being coached by Bill Lambier. I can imagine growing up she HATED Bill Lambier lol.

Belgian Fan
06-16-2004, 03:10 AM
Lakers in 5, maybe six

The Pistons stopping the Pacers and Nets is one thing, but stopping Kobe, Shaq and the rest is another.

Whoops!!! :blush:


Congrats to the Pistons!

LeeIs
06-16-2004, 05:08 AM
In the poll, Only 1 person said Pistons in 5, hmm I wonder who that is :dunno:

Would the real psychic please stand up?

Motown Beatdown
06-16-2004, 08:01 AM
Big Props to littleHossa, the only person who picked the Pistons in 5.


As for the Stones, HOW SWEET IT IS. Who would have thought this Laker team would quit, but after a good start they rolled over and played dead.

Like the sign at the Palace said, Our Full House beats your pair. And thats what it was, a complete team effort. And hopefully the Pistons can re-sign both Rasheed Wallace and Mehmet Okur for next season. Also it looks like Carlos Delfino will be joining the team next year. So the future looks great.

WAY TO GO BOYS!!!!!!!
2004 NBA CHAMPIONS

who would have thunk it?

GKJ
06-16-2004, 08:55 AM
I want to throw up

Motown Beatdown
06-16-2004, 09:01 AM
Oh yeah, i have to throw some love to Joe Dumars. He built this team the right way.

When he found out Grant Hill was leaving, he worked a sign and trade with the Orlando Magic. Getting Ben Wallace and Chucky Adkins for Grant.

Traded Jerry Stackhouse to the Wizard for Rip Hamilton. Know Stack was not worth a max out deal. Now this trade looks like a steal

Sign Billups as a UFA when no one was willing to give him a 7th chance...lol He knew Chanucey could lead this team.

Drafted Tayshaun Prince late in the 1st round. He also took alot of heat for passing on Carmello Anthony. He knew in time Prince and Darko will equal or be better than Melo. Prince is a great defensive player, and a real team guy. Darko is still very very raw, but has worked his butt off in the gym.

Got Sheed for spare parts and a couple draft picks. And now stand a good chance of re-signing him


Lets not forget getting Larry Brown to put this team over the top. HE knew Rick could only take the Pistons so far and needed someone to win a championship.

And finally he built a team full of players that were like him. Worked hard on and off the court. Played a team game and dont care about being the man. When he has made mistakes (Rodney White) he got rid if mistakes ASAP. Heck he traded Mateen Cleves for Jon Barry and a 1st round pick, talk about a steal. Traded a useless White to the Nuggest for a 1st round pick.

Takeo
06-16-2004, 09:22 AM
Another anti-climactic NBA championship. The atmosphere felt like the first round.

klingsor
06-16-2004, 09:47 AM
I'm elated that Big Chief Triangle may exit as a loser, coaching a team that quit on him.. The Pistons were great, but the Lakers played like *******. A true reflection of their coach.

GKJ
06-16-2004, 09:53 AM
I'm elated that Big Chief Triangle may exit as a loser, coaching a team that quit on him.. The Pistons were great, but the Lakers played like *******. A true reflection of their coach.


Yes. A coach who won 9 NBA championships.

Jori
06-16-2004, 10:01 AM
Can't really argue with anything Dumars did now. As a Nuggets fan I'm thankful he chose Darko. Darko may one day develop into a better player than Anthony, but there is no way the Nuggets would have returned to respectability as quickly with Darko. And Anthony wouldn't have nearly the same playing time in Detroit. The situation worked out for both teams; Dumars faith in Prince and Anthony helping put Denver in the right position for years to come.

I heard Chauncey will be back in Denver by weeks end with MVP trophy in tow. You can't imagine how proud everybody in Denver is of CB. :handclap:

I just hope he makes the All Star team next year with the game in Denver.

Thanks for the great show Pistons :banana: :bow:

klingsor
06-16-2004, 10:04 AM
Yes. A coach who won 9 NBA championships.

Never coached a team that wasn't stacked.

But you're the expert, so I'm not gonna argue. I am entitled to my opinion though, as I've been following basketball since 1955 and have seen a lot of great coaches. Jackson ain't one of 'em.

Motown Beatdown
06-17-2004, 01:54 PM
Hey Phil, how does this crow taste????


http://www.detnews.com/2003/pistons/0306/04/e01-183616.htm


SAN ANTONIO -- Count Lakers Coach Phil Jackson among those who feel Larry Brown made a mistake taking the Pistons head coaching job.

"There are a lot of other jobs, really quality jobs, where you can go forward," Jackson said on his weekly radio show, which airs from 6-7 p.m. Mondays on Sporting News Radio. "I don't know how far forward Detroit can get. They do have the second pick and that's an opportunity, but that's probably not going to manifest itself in a year or two.

littleHossa
06-17-2004, 09:31 PM
going back to this thread now,I'd like to point out I am the sole person to have voted Pistons in 5, not that there's proof I don't think :cry:

GKJ
06-17-2004, 10:06 PM
going back to this thread now,I'd like to point out I am the sole person to have voted Pistons in 5, not that there's proof I don't think :cry:
Pistons in 5
littleHossa 1 2.63%

someone pointed it out earlier in the thread