Ivanāns, overrated as a fighter?

I believe so. He's always in everyone's top 10 list it seems, but I don't know if I'd have him in mine. LA didn't seem to mind to let him walk away either. For Calgary I see a step down from McGratten definitely.

Yeah, he's more of a sniper nowadays

If you're talking about fighting prowess he rarely loses or wins a fight decisively. He fights with a very controlled, unemotional style taking few risks. He's a good fighter but what caused him to be let go by the Kings is that over time he just got worse in all areas of his role. He didn't fight as often, he didn't fight as well, he started playing worse and he didn't engage or intimidate as much. I was very happy with him as an enforcer a few years ago but now I'm happy the Kings let him walk.

well he'll be more than enough to take care of anyone from the Wild:cry:

i think macintyre will own him though if they develop a little rivalry.

i think macintyre will own him though if they develop a little rivalry.

Big Mac is going to own the West.

He hasn't really put away many of his opponents. As stated earlier, he doesn't lose much, but he also doesn't decisively win much either. He's prone to taking a stupid penalty and isn't much of an intimidating presence.

You can't knock him down. He's one tough son of a *****, but he doesn't really do much damage unless he's really mad, which is a rarity.

I dont think i'd put him in top 10... i usually forget about him completely because he doesnt have many exciting fights. He is hard to knock down or get a win against but at the same time a guy his size should be dominating fights and he just doesnt really do that on a regular basis.

I came here to say he hardly wins any of his fights but also rarely loses one. :)

Only time I have seen him gone mad was vs. Shelley.

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I liked him a lot though. I think the Flames got themselves a good fighter. I dont agree that Ivanans isnt intimidating.

Not a good fighter, not top 10, but he brings more physicality to his game than McGratton did.

Did he ever reach the record for King's player who played the most games without a goal? I know he was getting close last year.

I came here to say he hardly wins any of his fights but also rarely loses one. :)

Only time I have seen him gone mad was vs. Shelley.

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I liked him a lot though. I think the Flames got themselves a good fighter. I dont agree that Ivanans isnt intimidating.
Wow if he could fight with that passion all the time he would be a beast.

I came here to say he hardly wins any of his fights but also rarely loses one. :)

Only time I have seen him gone mad was vs. Shelley.

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I liked him a lot though. I think the Flames got themselves a good fighter. I dont agree that Ivanans isnt intimidating.

haha watch that clown staubitz run from him. That was hilarious

You can't knock him down. He's one tough son of a *****, but he doesn't really do much damage unless he's really mad, which is a rarity.This is a pretty accurate description for him. He rarely wins big isn't an open fighter at all and has a surprisingly small amount of losses during his time as a King. I mean he lost to Thorburn last year. He lost to Boogaard and Stortini in 08-09, Pyatt in 07-08 and Boogaard x2, Laraque x2, Shelley and Koci in 06-07. 10 losses in 4 years? Not bad at all.

I came here to say he hardly wins any of his fights but also rarely loses one. :)

Only time I have seen him gone mad was vs. Shelley.

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I liked him a lot though. I think the Flames got themselves a good fighter. I dont agree that Ivanans isnt intimidating.

Jody Shelley signed in the east so he didn't have to face Ivanans anymore.

since it seems to be mostly Kings fans in this thread I thought I would ask... i've been hearing Ivanans will not just fight the staged fights with other goons but also actually defend his teammates like an enforcer is supposed to do IMO... is what I've been hearinig at all accurate?

and while McGrattan is a great fighter I think his shoulder is beyond ****ed, he never hits and his fights were way down

since it seems to be mostly Kings fans in this thread I thought I would ask... i've been hearing Ivanans will not just fight the staged fights with other goons but also actually defend his teammates like an enforcer is supposed to do IMO... is what I've been hearinig at all accurate?

and while McGrattan is a great fighter I think his shoulder is beyond ****ed, he never hits and his fights were way down

Not really, the Shelley one is the only one I can really remember, and it was after Staubitz ran Drewiske. He wanted Staubitz who ended up running away from him. Look at the guys he's fought.

1 George Parros 4
2 Jody Shelley 4
3 Derek Boogaard 3
4 David Koci 3
5 Georges Laraque 3
6 Zack Stortini 3
7 Todd Fedoruk 2
8 Josh Gratton 2
9 Michael Rupp 2
10 Krys Barch 1
11 Jared Boll 1
12 Daniel Carcillo 1
13 Zdeno Chara 1
14 D.J. King 1
15 Milan Lucic 1
16 Brian McGrattan 1
17 Cody McLeod 1
18 Brad Norton 1
19 Taylor Pyatt 1
20 Andre Roy 1
21 Brad Staubitz 1
22 Matt Walker 1
23 Brad Winchester 1

Not really, the Shelley one is the only one I can really remember, and it was after Staubitz ran Drewiske. He wanted Staubitz who ended up running away from him. Look at the guys he's fought.

1 George Parros 4
2 Jody Shelley 4
3 Derek Boogaard 3
4 David Koci 3
5 Georges Laraque 3
6 Zack Stortini 3
7 Todd Fedoruk 2
8 Josh Gratton 2
9 Michael Rupp 2
10 Krys Barch 1
11 Jared Boll 1
12 Daniel Carcillo 1
13 Zdeno Chara 1
14 D.J. King 1
15 Milan Lucic 1
16 Brian McGrattan 1
17 Cody McLeod 1
18 Brad Norton 1
19 Taylor Pyatt 1
20 Andre Roy 1
21 Brad Staubitz 1
22 Matt Walker 1
23 Brad Winchester 1I thought he would have more against Parros personally... but I guess for 600k and 40-50 games (I hope) he'll fill that role fairly decently... I'm really hoping he turns into another Oliwa

He was game as usual but nowhere top-10. I hope he'll get busy with the Flames this year though.

I thought he would have more against Parros personally... but I guess for 600k and 40-50 games (I hope) he'll fill that role fairly decently... I'm really hoping he turns into another Oliwa

I wouldn't hold my breath on him turning into another Oliwa.

since it seems to be mostly Kings fans in this thread I thought I would ask... i've been hearing Ivanans will not just fight the staged fights with other goons but also actually defend his teammates like an enforcer is supposed to do IMO... is what I've been hearinig at all accurate?

and while McGrattan is a great fighter I think his shoulder is beyond ****ed, he never hits and his fights were way down

He does sometimes, but not as often as you'd like. Last year when Brown was getting chased around by Ryan Carter Ivanans fought him and cut his face up pretty good. You'll probably remember last year also when Phaneuf was still on the Flames he hit Kopitar pretty good on a race to the puck, Ivanans wasn't on the ice but the second he was he tried to take David Moss' head off. He definitely knows how to do his job, he's just inconsistent.

He does sometimes, but not as often as you'd like. Last year when Brown was getting chased around by Ryan Carter Ivanans fought him and cut his face up pretty good. You'll probably remember last year also when Phaneuf was still on the Flames he hit Kopitar pretty good on a race to the puck, Ivanans wasn't on the ice but the second he was he tried to take David Moss' head off. He definitely knows how to do his job, he's just inconsistent.

Ivanans is a reactive enforcer, he's never proactive.

I came here to say he hardly wins any of his fights but also rarely loses one. :)

Only time I have seen him gone mad was vs. Shelley.

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I liked him a lot though. I think the Flames got themselves a good fighter. I dont agree that Ivanans isnt intimidating.

pretty much I agree. He doesn't really win many but he doesn't lose many.

Well his first fight as a Flame he got Knocked Silly. Wont say a KO because he wasn't actually "out" but he was destroyed by MacIntyre

Well his first fight as a Flame he got Knocked Silly. Wont say a KO because he wasn't actually "out" but he was destroyed by MacIntyre

lol funny how i said in a couple threads that this guy can't get knocked out and he does almost immediately. :help::help:

that was definitely a KO btw.

Even with the KO he stll got some good shots on MacIntyre. I don't see Ivanans fight much but he did pretty good that one.

Yes, being knocked unconscious in a fight is doing pretty good... what the heck is doing poorly, dying?

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When Ivanans was on the Kings it seemed like he had to be really mad to do well in a fight.

He definetely can hang in with anyone. He happened to take a big shot from Mac tonight.

I don't know if he is top 10. Maybe top 15.

Even with the KO he stll got some good shots on MacIntyre. I don't see Ivanans fight much but he did pretty good that one.
...No just no. He did not do "pretty good" he got KO'ed. Fight of the year and we're only one game in.

guy gets ko'd and is no longer any good a lot of god fighters have been ko's even Brashear waws kocked cold by Belak. When a goalie lets in hat trick you don't think this guy is not good. it's just one fight.