Stat links and basic information

Pekka Lampinen
06-05-2004, 09:27 AM
Prospect statistics

If a player's total number of games in a season is under 45 games, you may want to check the organization's junior A team as well.

2005-06:

SM-Liiga

Skaters by team

Blues (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=0&stats=78&kausi=0) (Tero Määttä, Mikko Lehtonen)
HIFK (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=1&stats=58) (Teemu Laakso, Hannu Pikkarainen, Kim Hirschovits, Arttu Luttinen, Lennart Petrell, Pasi Salonen)
HPK (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=2&stats=76) (Risto Korhonen, Janis Sprukts)
Ilves (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=3&stats=61) (Juha Alén, Teemu Jääskeläinen, Juho Mielonen, Marko Anttila, Henrik Juntunen, Toni Koivisto, Perttu Lindgren)
Jokerit (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=4&stats=59) (Mikko Kalteva, Kevin Kantee, Sami Lepistö, Jesse Niinimäki)
JYP (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=5&stats=69) (Jyri Marttinen, Ossi Louhivaara, Tuomas Mikkonen, Arsi Piispanen, Valtteri Tenkanen)
KalPa (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=6&stats=68)
Kärpät (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=7&stats=70) (Topi Jaakola, Oskari Korpikari, Lasse Kukkonen, Tommi Leinonen, Juhamatti Aaltonen, Janne Pesonen)
Lukko (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=8&stats=63) (Tuukka Mäkelä, Miikka Tuomainen)
Pelicans (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=9&stats=75) (Marcus Paulsson)
SaiPa (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=10&stats=67) (Olli Malmivaara, Jussi Timonen, Jarkko A. Immonen, Janne Kolehmainen)
Tappara (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=11&stats=60) (Ville Mäntymaa, Petri Kontiola, Teemu Laine, Sami Venäläinen)
TPS (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=12&stats=62) (Markus Seikola, Andreas Jämtin, Lauri Korpikoski, Tuukka Pulliainen, Daniel Widing)
Ässät (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=13&stats=73#) (Matt Nickerson, Niko Vainio)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=16&parm=1)
(games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, wins, ties, losses, GAA, SV%)

Other SM-Liiga statistics:

Standings (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=0&kausi=0)
Point leader table (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=1)
Points on power play (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=5)
Penalties (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=12&parm=0&kausi=0)
Plus/minus (best) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=10&parm=0&kausi=0)
Plus/minus (worst) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=11&parm=0&kausi=0)
Shots (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2005%2D2006+runkosarja&sarja=1465&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=15)

Mestis

Choose team (http://193.229.88.86/cgi-bin/06_kausi/jaakiekko/rt_div_teams_stats.pl?LANG=FI&LID=5&GID=11&TYPE=8&BIND=0&SHOW=1)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, types of penalties, total PIM)
(games dressed, games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, GAA, SV%)

Jr A

Choose team (http://193.229.88.86/cgi-bin/06_kausi/jaakiekko/rt_div_teams_stats.pl?LANG=FI&LID=1&GID=1&TYPE=8&BIND=0&SHOW=1)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, types of penalties, total PIM)
(games dressed, games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, GAA, SV%)

National teams

No stat totals available.

National team A (pro) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/a-maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/)

U20 (born in '86 or later) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u20_u19_maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/)

U18 ('88) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u18_maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/)

U17 ('89) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u17_maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/)

U16 ('90) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u16_maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/)

2004-05:

SM-Liiga

Skaters by team (players not with the organization in question in 2005-06 listed)

Blues (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=0&stats=78) (Jarkko A. Immonen, Lauri Tukonen)
HIFK (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=1&stats=58) (Joonas Vihko)
HPK (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=2&stats=76) (Tuukka Mäkelä, Jani Rita, Oliver Setzinger)
Ilves (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=3&stats=61) (Tommi Jäminki, Jesse Niinimäki)
Jokerit (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=4&stats=59) (Valtteri Filppula, Tomi Mäki)
JYP (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=5&stats=69) (Jarkko Immonen)
Kärpät (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=6&stats=70) (Jussi Jokinen, Henrik Juntunen)
Lukko (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=7&stats=63) (Janne Niskala, Toni Koivisto)
Pelicans (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=8&stats=75) (Daniel Widing)
SaiPa (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=9&stats=67) (Petteri Nokelainen)
Tappara (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=10&stats=60)
TPS (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=11&stats=62)
Ässät (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=12&stats=73) (Juha-Pekka Ketola)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=16&parm=1)
(games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, wins, ties, losses, GAA, SV%)

Other SM-Liiga statistics:

Standings (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=0&kausi=0)
Point leader table (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=1)
Points on power play (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=5)
Penalties (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=12&parm=0&kausi=0)
Plus/minus (best) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=10&parm=0&kausi=0)
Plus/minus (worst) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=11&parm=0&kausi=0)
Shots (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=15)

Mestis

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1331&tilasto=joukkueet)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM, shots, SH%)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1331&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

Jr A

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1344&tilasto=joukkueet)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM, shots, SH%)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1344&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

National teams

No stat totals available.

National team A (pro) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/a-maajoukkue/kausi_2004-2005/)

U20 (born in '85 or later) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u20_u19_maajoukkue/kausi_2004-2005/)

U18 ('87) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u18_maajoukkue/kausi_2004-2005/)

U17 ('88) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u17_maajoukkue/kausi_2004-2005/)

U16 ('89) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u16_maajoukkue/kausi_2004-2005/)

2003-04:

SM-Liiga

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=0&stats=78)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=16&parm=1)
(games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, wins, ties, losses, GAA, SV%)

Other SM-Liiga statistics: Standings (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?sarja=1124&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=0&otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja), Point leader table (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=1), Points on power play (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=5), Penalties (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=12&parm=0), Plus/minus (best) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=10&parm=0), Plus/minus (worst) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=11&parm=0), Shots (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2003%2D2004+runkosarja&sarja=1124&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=15)

Mestis

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1195&tilasto=joukkueet)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM, shots, SH%)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1195&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

Jr A

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1186&tilasto=joukkueet)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1186&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

National teams

No stat totals available.

National team A (pro) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/a-maajoukkue/kausi_2003-2004/)

U20 (born in '84 or later) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u20_u19_maajoukkue/kausi_2003-2004/)

U18 ('86) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u18_maajoukkue/kausi_2003-2004/)

U17 ('87) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u17_maajoukkue/kausi_2003-2004/)

U16 ('88) (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u16_maajoukkue/kausi_2003-2004/)

2002-03:

SM-Liiga

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=0&group=1&parm=0&stats=78)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=16&parm=1)
(games played, minutes played, goals allowed, saves, shutouts, wins, ties, losses, GAA, SV%)

Other SM-Liiga statistics: Standings (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=0), Point leader table (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=0), Points on power play (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=5), Penalties (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=12&parm=0), Plus/minus (best) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=10&parm=0), Plus/minus (worst) (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=11&parm=0), Shots (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+runkosarja+Kausi+2 002%2D2003&sarja=938&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=15)

Mestis

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=954&tilasto=joukkueet&laaja=1)
(games played, goals, assists, points, +, -, +/-, PIM, shots, SH%)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=954&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

Jr A

Skaters, choose team (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=957&tilasto=joukkueet&laaja=1)

Goalies (http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=957&tilasto=mv&rajaus=0)

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A prospect's way to North America

Military service must be completed at some point. It is possible to pursue an NHL career before it, but most people don't find that pleasant nor convenient. The service lasts for 180, 270 or 360 days depending on the branch (or 390 days for civil service). You can often have the shortest option if you really want, but the best flexible schedule for athletes is 270 days long. During the service, the player can play in all of the team's games and most of the time attend practice sessions too. Recovery and the training rhythm are a problem though, and usually that will affect performance in games. The player may also attend international tournaments and such, and in the worst case his service will only be prolonged by as many days as the personal leave lasted.

Those players who intend to finish the high school equivalent usually graduate in the spring two years after the age group's first draft year. Vocational studies usually take one year less.

Transfer rules

In 2006, anyone can be signed in the offseason regardless of contract status until the 15th of June. The NHL pays the tranfer fee. For now it's a little unclear whether UFA's have a different transfer deadline and if the deadlines can be bypassed with a penalty fee. Some players, mostly foreigners, may have a contract that prohibits a move to the NHL while until it expires.

The number of players who could move to the CHL or the NCAA each year is several times greater than the number of those willing to do so. Also considering that players don't tend to announce their intentions in public (and the media don't care), there is basically no information available on the subject from this side of the pond. A few Finns a year leave for the CHL, most of them for their draft year. Some of these career moves have been successful, some haven't. As for the NCAA, only players with at most a pinch of SM-Liiga experience move there, most of whom have no short-term SM-Liiga potential.

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League structure in Finland

Finnish leagues form a simple system of tiers, outside of which there is no official competition. While the number of teams and regional divisions vary, the best teams of a certain tier always face the worst teams of the higher tier in a relegation series, whose winners will play in the higher tier and losers in the lower tier in the following season. There is one notable exception: The elite league is closed "in order to maintain economic stability". Its teams won't be relegated and the second tier's teams can't be promoted. As far as I remember, there are seven tiers. The first tier is called SM-Liiga, the second tier is called Mestis and the third tier is called Suomi-sarja.

The age limits for junior leagues are as follows: In 2004-05 players born in '86 or after may play in Junior A (five '85 born players allowed on a team), '88 or after in Junior B and '90 or after in Junior C. These age groups have a tier system similar to that of adults, but no league is closed. Junior leagues D to H of younger players are divided into regional groups and teams don't compete for a national championship.

All junior teams belong to an organization that usually have a men's team on some tier; the other way around, all organizations in SM-Liiga and Mestis have junior teams. As long as they are young enough, the players may move between the organization's teams without any limits, with the exception of playoffs, for which they must have ten regular season games on that level.

Now an introduction of the three leagues in which basically all drafted prospects play.

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SM-Liiga

The Finnish elite league, a closed league that consists of 14 teams. Six teams make the playoffs after a 56-game regular season, joined by the two winners of best-of-three series for teams ranked 7-10. The quarterfinals are best of seven as of 2003, the semifinals and finals are best of five. Also, there's a single bronze game for those who lose the semifinals. The league slowly turned professional over the 80s and early 90s, establishing its position as one of the very best in Europe when TPS and Jokerit brought the European championship to Finland in four consecutive years from '94 to '97. That is also when the salaries grew large enough to compete with rival leagues. Nowadays the teams' total payrolls range roughly from one to two and a half million dollars. In comparison, SM-Liiga is equal to the AHL in terms of quality thanks to the lesser number of teams, if you allow jumping to conclusions.

As for the characteristics of the game, offense and defense bias are rather balanced. In the rules the width of the rink ranges from 79 feet to 91 feet and in practice almost as much. Rinks are often set to match the home team's strategy, even though they stay pretty much the same between seasons. Skating rules supreme over other tactical doctrines, which has helped to pave the way for dump & chase in the recent years. The shot counts are rather high, in 2001-02 a team fired 30.1 shots per game on average. Clutch & grab has become a major plague and the league struggles to promote clean hits.

NHL prospects can have a hard time in this league. At the age of 17 players barely ever play regular shifts and 18 years old regular players are rare as well, but the WJC team can be built pretty much out of SM-Liiga players. Few active (non-sleeper) prospects become star players before coming over to North America.

The official website is at www.sm-liiga.fi . You can follow the games in progress in the main page. The games are usually played at 11:30 am ECT on weekdays and 9:00 am on Saturdays.

Mestis

8 out of 11 teams play best of five playoffs, the last two go to a relegation series. The second tier league is not a professional league, but they do have players aiming for professionality. The league has undergone many reforms over the years and tends to change constantly in SM-Liiga's wake. Some of the teams have cooperation with SM-Liiga teams, but the farm system isn't as straightforward as between the NHL and AHL, Mestis teams only rent out some of their players and offer icetime for the affiliate's youngsters.

When SM-Liiga was closed in 2000, Mestis took a step towards being a farm league. Now most of the players are under 27 years old, but junior players are no more common than in SM-Liiga. Predicting NHL chances on the grounds of success in Mestis is all but impossible: Many of the top players can't make SM-Liiga while a few have made the NHL in just a couple of years after playing there.

The quality of the game is hard to project, but one of the weaker NCAA divisions with a dull edge (no NHL ready players) would seem like a good comparison. The few international games that have been played offer promising results: the Mestis all-star team, which is now officially Finland's national team B, beat the country's WJC squad prior to the tournament and the Mestis champion Jukurit had amazing success in the Continental Cup against many countries' top teams. They beat e.g. the champions of Britain and Norway on their way to the final four, where they gave a real challenge to the Swiss and Slovakian top league champions.

Mestis would provide many prospects with an opportunity to play offensive game against challenging opponents instead of playing occasional checking line minutes in SM-Liiga, but unfortunately very few players have seized it.

Jr A SM-Liiga

14 teams, 8 make the playoffs. In 2005-06 the organizations are exactly the same as in SM-Liiga. Players by the age 19 form the bulk of the teams, but those who are one year younger are almost as common. The following summer's NHL draft candidates play against good competition at this level, while those who turn 17 during the season are quite rare. SM-Liiga visitors and NHL prospects are not always or even usually the best players at this level. For example, the league's scoring record's owner was surpassed by five of his teammates in the race for SM-Liiga roster spots in 2001-02 and it was no surprise. At this point the best players have transferred to SM-Liiga organizations and it shows, Mestis organizations' junior teams are vastly inferior.

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FAQ

Q: Are there any sites about Finnish hockey in English?
A: Nope.

Q: Is there a Fin->Eng auto translator on the web?
A: I don't know of a good (the least bad) one. Any suggestions?

Q: If I have further questions on the subject, should I post them on this thread?
A: Yessirree. Please don't ask about individual players or such subjects here, though.

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Hockey map of Finland (with Lapland cruelly cut off)

Predatore
06-05-2004, 09:34 AM
Excellent, nice to have this thread up again :)
BTW, is there a site that lists 3rd-tier league stats?

Pekka Lampinen
06-05-2004, 10:04 AM
I reckon the database went down the drain last July, so 'bout time it was.

The federation's site that hosts Mestis and junior stats features numbers down to men's tier four, U16 tier two and U20 women. Here are the third tier stats (http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/suomi-sarja/) but in case you're planning to make use of them, a word of warning: No one cares about them, myself included. :)

*Snap* Now I remember what I was supposed to add, a bit on CHL and NCAA transfers for the NA audience. Coming soon.

Padawan
06-05-2004, 10:06 AM
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Q: Is there a Fin->Eng auto translator on the web?
A: I don't know of a good (the least bad) one. Any suggestions?

Yes there is. This (http://www.tracetech.net/db.htm)is the best I've found so far.

Pekka Lampinen
06-05-2004, 10:12 AM
A dictionary isn't of much use, I was thinking something through which to squeeze an article as that's what most people need.

Padawan
06-05-2004, 01:27 PM
A dictionary isn't of much use, I was thinking something through which to squeeze an article as that's what most people need.
It is useful when someone wants to check stats for some player and isn't familiar with the word in question.

Pekka Lampinen
06-05-2004, 01:38 PM
It is, but most translation requests are about articles. I've bumped into a few translators over the years, someone who has bookmarked one is bound to show up eventually.

Pekka Lampinen
06-10-2004, 02:32 PM
It turned out I didn't have much to say about the CHL and NCAA issue (I was at loss as to how to find out about NCAA eligibility rules), but look at the nifty map I Paint-ed! I'm still looking for a good way to include playoff stats subtly. Anything else that should be there?

NYRangers
09-17-2004, 10:12 PM
I just found this post. I want to keep updated on Korpikoski and Immonen. Thoughs stats are from last season, where are this seasons stats for those two's teams? Thanks.

ES
09-18-2004, 01:19 AM
I just found this post. I want to keep updated on Korpikoski and Immonen. Thoughs stats are from last season, where are this seasons stats for those two's teams? Thanks.

I try to update my topic of matches as much as I can.

If you want to have season totals easier,

- go to www.sm-liiga.fi

- Press "Tilastot" from the upper frame

- Press "Joukkueet" from the left frame

- Press "Pistepörssi" from the left frame

- Now you can watch scoring table of any team. Immonen plays in JYP and Korpikoski in TPS.

Pekka Lampinen
10-20-2004, 11:18 AM
This season's stat links are finally up.

earl
10-21-2004, 04:17 AM
Yes there is. This (http://www.tracetech.net/db.htm)is the best I've found so far.

How about a Fin-English dictionary?

gib
10-21-2004, 04:20 AM
How about a Fin-English dictionary?

It works both ways. English-Finnish-English = English-Finnish + Finnish-English.

earl
10-21-2004, 08:00 AM
It works both ways. English-Finnish-English = English-Finnish + Finnish-English.

Thanks gib, but just by typing in a Finnish word, I can't get it to work. I wonder what I'm doing wrong..?

mattihp
10-21-2004, 08:02 AM
Thanks gib, but just by typing in a Finnish word, I can't get it to work. I wonder what I'm doing wrong..?
works just fine. The first box is the one to use.

earl
10-21-2004, 08:08 AM
works just fine. The first box is the one to use.

All I get is "no words found" when I try it from Fin-English. Maybe I have to play around with my computer settings...

Thanks, mattihp.

mattihp
10-21-2004, 08:10 AM
All I get is "no words found" when I try it from Fin-English. Maybe I have to play around with my computer settings...

Thanks, mattihp.
what word were you trying to translate?

It sure as cucumber dip has nothing to do with your puter's settings.

earl
10-21-2004, 08:22 AM
what word were you trying to translate?

It sure as cucumber dip has nothing to do with your puter's settings.

I was just choosing words randomly from the sm-liiga.fi page, like "runkosarja" and "pelaajat" and it produced nothing.

But after your kind post, I tried a few more, and next thing ya know, Bob's your uncle: I found a response for "voitot"; it came out 'spoil' in English, though I'm guessing it means 'wins'.

Thanks again for your help.

gib
10-21-2004, 08:55 AM
.

But after your kind post, I tried a few more, and next thing ya know, Bob's your uncle: I found a response for "voitot"; it came out 'spoil' in English, though I'm guessing it means 'wins'.



Hahaha.

This all leads again back to the thing that finnish grammar is pretty hard. When using dictionary you of course need to use basic form of a word and in finnish language that isn`t so simple. Cause words have many forms and basic forms aren`t that common in written text like for example in english. So basicly you can translate few words in finnish text with help of dictinary.

And "voitot" doesn indeed mean wins, like you quessed. "Voitto"=win is the basic form of that word and "voitot"=wins is plural.

earl
10-22-2004, 05:23 AM
If you have time, would you be so kind as to post the links that show the 'home' and 'away' standings, if they exist?

Kiitos.

mattihp
10-22-2004, 05:26 AM
If you have time, would you be so kind as to post the links that show the 'home' and 'away' standings, if they exist?

Kiitos.
Home games:

http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=1

Away games:
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=Kausi+2004%2D2005+runkosarja&sarja=1303&maingroup=0&group=0&parm=2

earl
10-22-2004, 06:27 AM
kiitollinen

mattihp
10-22-2004, 06:27 AM
kiitollinen

I am sure you mean "Olen kiitollinen" ;)

(I am thankful)

earl
10-23-2004, 11:16 AM
How about the AK beside some players in the lineup?

Aloituskokoonpanossa ?

mattihp
10-23-2004, 11:18 AM
How about the AK beside some players in the lineup?

Aloituskokoonpanossa ?
My guess would be Aloituskentällisessä (starting line, while as kokoonpano means roster)

earl
10-23-2004, 11:19 AM
Olen kiitollinen

earl
10-27-2004, 05:23 AM
TP
H
JV
**

In the standings, I'm guessing H = loss. What are TP and JV?

mattihp
10-27-2004, 05:32 AM
TP
H
JV
**

In the standings, I'm guessing H = loss. What are TP and JV?

H= Häviöt = Loss
TP= Tasapelit = ties
JV= Jatkoaikavoitot = Overtime wins

earl
11-06-2004, 09:37 PM
Can you post links that show the team standings ranked by power play efficiency and penalty kiling?

Thanks in advance.

Tinke-80
11-07-2004, 01:40 AM
Can you post links that show the team standings ranked by power play efficiency and penalty kiling?

Thanks in advance.

http://www.sm-liiga.fi/media/season/stats/pp_bp_playing.asp

aika/m = time/minute

Ylivoimapeli = power play

Alivoimapeli = penalty killing

- Tinke-80

Tinke-80
11-07-2004, 01:45 AM
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/media/index.html

SM-liiga media site.

Illan tuomarit = nights referees
Yleisövertailu = audience comparison
Loukkaantuneet = injuries
Sarjataulukko = standings
Maalivahdit = Goalies
Pistepörssit = Stats
Kaikki joukkuetilastot = all team stats
Kaikki kaikkkien aikojen tilastot = all time stats
Yli- ja alivoimatehot = power play and penalty killing stats
Kultakypärät = point leaders
Maalit kausittain = goals / season
Lähestyvät rajapyykit otteluissa =
Lähestyvät rajapyykit maalit, syötöt, pisteet
Aloittajat =
Peliajat = playing time
Otteluiden maalit ja saavutetut rajapyykit = Rangaistuslaukauskilpailut = penalty shootouts
Kymppilista = list on 10 min penalties
SJL:n sarjoissa äskettäin tuomitut ottelurangaistukset =
Joukkueiden kokoonpanot = Team line-up
Pelaajien syntymäpäivät = players birthdays
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut, kuluva ja kaksi edellistä kautta ja yhteensveto = matches between, current season ja two previous season and summary
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut, kaikki ottelut = matches between, all matches
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut, kaikki yhteenvedot = matches between, all summaries

Because I'm an idiot, I din't translate some of the words. Sorry.

- Tinke-80

svetovy poharu
12-29-2004, 12:38 PM
Tilastot=Statistics and Kokoonpanot=Lineups

Väkivaltaisuus=Roughing
Estäminen=Interference
Huitominen=Slashing
Kampitus=Tripping
Kiinnipitäminen=Holding
Kyynärpäätaklaus=Elbowing
Korkea maila=High stick
Käytösrangaistus=Misconduct
Poikittainen maila=Cross checking

Aikalisä=Time-out

earl
01-16-2005, 01:33 AM
What is the injury to Scott Langkow, of Assat Pori; ranne?

Thanks in advance.

In the Doghouse
01-16-2005, 02:58 AM
What is the injury to Scott Langkow, of Assat Pori; ranne?

Thanks in advance.

That is wrist.

Korkki
01-16-2005, 03:43 PM
What is the injury to Scott Langkow, of Assat Pori; ranne?
He lost his glove and got a shot to his wrist during SaiPa-Ässät game. Not badly though, he is expected to be back next week.

Owen
01-17-2005, 05:24 PM
Just out of curiosity... does anyone know if Ossi Väänänen has the accents above the a's on his jersey? I remember that his Team Finland jersey said Vaananen, not Väänänen, so I'm wondering what his Jokerit jersey has.

Pekka Lampinen
01-18-2005, 08:01 AM
Just out of curiosity... does anyone know if Ossi Väänänen has the accents above the a's on his jersey? I remember that his Team Finland jersey said Vaananen, not Väänänen, so I'm wondering what his Jokerit jersey has.

The entire Germanic alphabet is used in IIHF tournaments as well, let alone SM-Liiga.

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01-18-2005, 08:53 AM
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quebec2
01-19-2005, 08:44 AM
An information:

If i understand:

YV=Power Play
SR=Shortend
IM= ???
VoM=????
JaM=????

Those above are codes appearing in matches detail, anybody can explain me the meaning of unknown ones (marked with ???)
Thanks!!

dallb
01-19-2005, 09:33 AM
YV=Power Play
SR=Shortend
IM= ???
VoM=????
JaM=????


YV = power-play
SR = delayed penalty
IM = with goalie pulled
VoM = game-winning goal
JaM = overtime goal

Oh, and AV means short-handed.

quebec2
01-19-2005, 05:50 PM
Thanks a lot!!!!

ES
01-21-2005, 06:31 AM
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/media/index.html

Illan tuomarit = Referee statistics

Penalty codes:
2 = misconduct, 4 = game misconduct, 5 = match penalty, 7 = boarding, 8 = broken stick, 9 = charging, 10 = cross-checking, 11 = delaying of game, 12 = elbowing, 13 = roughing, 14 = holding, 15 = high-sticking, 16 = hooking, 17 = interference, 18 = slashing, 20 = spearing, 21 = tripping, 22 = bench penalty, 23 = deliberately moving the net? (I don't know exact name for that, but I suppose you know what is it about), 25 = too many players on the ice, 26 = closing the puck, 27 = automatic misconduct, 28 = automatic game misconduct, 29 = checking from behind, 30 = butt-ending, 31 = delaying the game in faceoffs, 32 = kneeing, 33 = head-butting, 34 = holding stick, 35 = clipping, 40 = illegal equipment, 41 = misconduct for diving, 42 = delaying the game - shooting puck out of bounds, 44 = checking to the head

Automatic misconduct follows minor for 29 and 44, automatic game misconduct for all majors. Diving is 10 minutes in Finnish rules.

Of the referees, 12 are permanent, Tukia (usually a linesman) got one game as Laaksonen forgot to go to Lappeenranta. Other eight are part of the IIHF referee exchange program, Minar and Turcan from Czech Republic, Kurmann and Reiber from Switzerland, Karabanov from Russia, Lauff from Slovakia, Rönnmark from Sweden and Schütz from Germany. Of the Finnish referees, Favorin and Henriksson are part of the program.

Yleisövertailu = Attendance
Loukkaantuneet = Injuries
Sarjataulukko = Standings
Maalivahdit = Goaltenders
- Nollapelit = Shutouts
Pistepörssit = Top Scorers
- Puolustajat = Defensemen
- Tulokkaat = Rookies
Joukkuetilastot = Scorers in each team
Kaikkien aikojen tilastot = All-time statistics
Yli- ja alivoimatehot = Power play and shorthanded statistics (sorted by time for each goal)
Kultakypärät = Golden helmet statistics (leading team scoring)
Maalit kausittain = Goals by season
Lähestyvät rajapyykit otteluissa = Milestones within reach (games)
Lähestyvät rajapyykit maalit, syötöt, pisteet = Milestones within reach (goals, assists, points)
Aloittajat = Faceoffs
Peliajat = Ice time
Otteluiden maalit ja saavutetut rajapyykit = Reached milestones (goals, assists, points)
Rangaistuslaukauskilpailut = Shootout competitions
Kymppilista = Misconducts
Pelikiellot = Suspensions
Joukkueiden kokoonpanot = Team rosters
- # means that player has left the team
Pelaajien syntymäpäivät = Birthdays
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut,
kuluva ja kaksi edellistä kautta
ja yhteenveto = Team vs Team this and 2 previous seasons
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut,
kaikki ottelut = Team vs Team all-time
Joukkueiden keskinäiset ottelut,
kaikki yhteenvedot = Team vs Team statistics

earl
01-21-2005, 07:35 AM
Thanks, ES.

P-M Bouchard
08-09-2005, 07:40 AM
Why is finnish forum ranked below Sweden?

Pekka Lampinen
08-09-2005, 10:35 AM
I vaguely remember the European boards being in alphabetical order until someone (Van? It was Van, wasn't it? Damn him.) decided to reduce their number and merge them into geographic regions. Glad we got that shot down soon enough, as popularity wasn't taken into account and the cluttered Nordic board was a mess.

Anyway, with the three culturally personal boards, I think someone was reading from west to east within parts of the continent but didn't think about doing that consistently (with Russia).

Prussian_Blue
08-15-2005, 07:37 AM
Is there a site anywhere that shows playoff stats for Jr. A and SM-Liiga players?

I'm looking specifically for Juhamatti Aaltonen, Kärpät Oulu.

Thanks in advance.

PB

:bow: :blues

Tepa
08-15-2005, 08:32 AM
Hello

Stats of J-M Aaltonen

http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=38197

Stats of playoffs Jr A SM
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1451&top=0&porssi=1&laaja=1&tilasto=porssi&pelaajatyyppi=0

67. Aaltonen Juhamatti, Kärpät A 5 0 2 2 2 5 -3 22 20 0

SM-liiga
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+play%2Doffs+Kausi+ 2004%2D2005&sarja=1304&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=1

Aaltonen didn't played.

Here lot of stats about juniors

http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/tilastoarkisto_a-nuorten_sm-liig/

Prussian_Blue
08-16-2005, 05:47 AM
Hello

Stats of J-M Aaltonen

http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=38197

Stats of playoffs Jr A SM
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/finhockey2/sjl_tulospalvelu_stat.asp?TID=1451&top=0&porssi=1&laaja=1&tilasto=porssi&pelaajatyyppi=0

67. Aaltonen Juhamatti, Kärpät A 5 0 2 2 2 5 -3 22 20 0

SM-liiga
http://www.sm-liiga.fi/tilasto.asp?otsake1=SM%2Dliigan+play%2Doffs+Kausi+ 2004%2D2005&sarja=1304&maingroup=1&group=7&parm=1

Aaltonen didn't played.

Here lot of stats about juniors

http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/tilastoarkisto_a-nuorten_sm-liig/

Thank you very much for the links. This was exactly what I was looking for.

Can the link to SM-Liiga and Jr. A. playoffs be added to the list of links in the first post in this thread?

PB

:bow: :blues

Pekka Lampinen
08-16-2005, 06:15 AM
Can the link to SM-Liiga and Jr. A. playoffs be added to the list of links in the first post in this thread?

I thought they were there, but I must have been thinking of the league-wide tables that came as a new feature a year or two ago. I'll see to it when the 2005-06 links become available a month from now.

Owen
10-04-2005, 02:39 PM
How about a list of team captains and alternates for SM-Liiga? :)

SharksAttack
10-05-2005, 12:05 AM
How about a list of team captains and alternates for SM-Liiga? :)

Blues
C Timo Hirvonen
A Kimmo Peltonen
A Markku Hurme

HIFK
C Jere Karalahti
A Toni Häppölä
A Pasi Saarinen
A Tony Salmelainen

HPK
C Mikko Jokela
A Jani Keinänen
A Jyrki Louhi

Ilves
C Raimo Helminen
A Tomi Hirvonen
A Ville Koistinen

Jokerit
C Petri Varis
A Marko Jantunen
A Kari Martikainen
A Petri Pakaslahti

JYP
C Tommi Kovanen
A Juha-Pekka Hytönen
A Miika Huczkowski

KalPa
C Samuli Suhonen
A Ville Hämäläinen
A Jermu Pisto

Kärpät
C Lasse Kukkonen
A Jari Viuhkola
A Jouni Loponen

Lukko
C Erik Hämäläinen
A Toni Porkka
A Pasi Saarela

Pelicans
C Erik Kakko
A Santeri Heiskanen
A Tommi Turunen

SaiPa
C Petri Kokko
A Kimmo Koskenkorva
A Ville Koho

Tappara
C Janne Ojanen
A Janne Grönvall
A Tuukka Mäntylä

TPS
C Mika Alatalo
A Antti Hulkkonen
A Joni Lius

Ässät
C Pasi Peltonen
A Matti Kaipainen
A Marko Kivenmäki
A Aki Uusikartano

Fredje1981
10-05-2005, 01:15 AM
Lukko
C Erik Hämäläinen
A Toni Porkka
A Pasi Saarela


Toni Porkka is replaced by Shayne Toporowski. Porkka has a knee injury and is out for the rest of the season.

Owen
10-14-2005, 02:36 AM
Thanks guys!

Prussian_Blue
10-21-2005, 07:54 AM
I might be missing this somewhere else, but can we please get a link to the Finland Junior A league stats for 2005-06? The stats link at the top of this thread goes to the 2004-05 stats.

Thanks,

P_B

:bow: :blues

Fredje1981
10-21-2005, 08:40 AM
I might be missing this somewhere else, but can we please get a link to the Finland Junior A league stats for 2005-06? The stats link at the top of this thread goes to the 2004-05 stats.

As requested: http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/a-nuorten_sm-liiga/

Prussian_Blue
10-23-2005, 08:12 PM
As requested: http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/a-nuorten_sm-liiga/

Thank you very much; just what I was looking for.

P_B

:bow: :blues

Pekka Lampinen
10-24-2005, 09:21 AM
Now updated to include the 2005-06 season. Guess I could take it upon me to do this in time next time.

RussianProspects
11-11-2005, 05:44 PM
Hi - do you have the stats for the tournament in Stupino? If so, please provide the link.

Thanks!

SharksAttack
11-12-2005, 02:20 AM
Hi - do you have the stats for the tournament in Stupino? If so, please provide the link.

Thanks!

http://www.internationalhockeygang.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1640

Pekka Lampinen
11-12-2005, 04:44 AM
The Finnish hockey federation is trying to host complete stats here (http://www.finhockey.fi/maajoukkueet/u20_u19_maajoukkue/kausi_2005-2006/neljan_maan_turnaus_venaja_11-1/), but so far they haven't been updated.