OK, the WWE is now officially a joke.

i believe swerve will happen, leading to a certain other king to return

not happening.

WWE just continues to try to mind **** us with his return.

Miz really is going into Mania as champion. What a mess this company has turned into (granted it's been happening for years, but DAMN)
Miz is the best.

R-Botch on the rope thing with Morrison but Truth finally did something good by eliminating Orton like that, nice swerve!

Im the 15 minute behind Canadian version so haven't looked ahead but I can see Sheamus winning, then HHH costing him the title at EC, creating the WM match.

Miz really is going into Mania as champion. What a mess this company has turned into (granted it's been happening for years, but DAMN)

I'm a big fan of The Miz, but I'm torn on him walking into WM as champion. He's just not ready, especially with his TERRIBLY booked reign.

At least Punk/Orton is all but guaranteed to be on the card.

I really don't have a problem with Lawler getting a match at Mania. He deserves to appear there and it's not like he's going to win, he's been putting guys over every time he's stepped into the ring on Raw.

Miz really is going into Mania as champion. What a mess this company has turned into (granted it's been happening for years, but DAMN)

Jim Ross was spot on. When Miz first won the Title, he said he wouldn't drop it before Wrestlemania.

I really don't have a problem with Lawler getting a match at Mania. He deserves to appear there and it's not like he's going to win, he's been putting guys over every time he's stepped into the ring on Raw.

He's not getting a match at Mania, though.

He's in a title match at Elimination Chamber, which is just as bad (if not, worse). Who cares about Lawler's past accomplishments, this is the freaking WWE title! It was irrelevant during the Cena/Nexus storyline (no one really cared about either Sheamus or Orton), and now the title is going to be contested between one of the weakest booked champions in history and a 61 year old.

This is worse than TNA booking....at least they made the right decision and gave Anderson the title.

It's also pretty damn evident that Cena is going to win the Raw Elimination Chamber. At least the matches were unpredictable the past two years.

Miz is the best.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Miz and he's entertaining.

But it's Mania.... ****

EDIT: Agreed Vic that this is some of the worst booking of all time. I can see it now: Miz and Cole V Cena and WWE Champion Jerry Lawler in the main event at WM.

I really don't have a problem with Lawler getting a match at Mania. He deserves to appear there and it's not like he's going to win, he's been putting guys over every time he's stepped into the ring on Raw.

Lawler will still get his Wrestlamania match, since they're making such a big stink about it.


It would be against Michael Cole, so yeah, he'll probably win.

He's not getting a match at Mania, though.

He's in a title match at Elimination Chamber, which is just as bad (if not, worse). Who cares about Lawler's past accomplishments, this is the freaking WWE title! It was irrelevant during the Cena/Nexus storyline (no one really cared about either Sheamus or Orton), and now the title is going to be contested between on of the weakest booked champions in history and a 61 year old.

This is worse than TNA booking....at least they made the right decision and gave Anderson the title.

I was whining about TNA but the WWE has made bookings that TNA would get heavily criticized for. Hornswaggle lasting nine minutes in a Rumble, Lawler in a WWE title match?

He's not getting a match at Mania, though.

He's in a title match at Elimination Chamber, which is just as bad (if not, worse). Who cares about Lawler's past accomplishments, this is the freaking WWE title! It was irrelevant during the Cena/Nexus storyline (no one really cared about either Sheamus or Orton), and now the title is going to be contested between one of the weakest booked champions in history and a 61 year old.

This is worse than TNA booking....at least they made the right decision and gave Anderson the title.

It's also pretty damn evident that Cena is going to win the Raw Elimination Chamber. At least the matches were unpredictable the past two years.
Come on, even Ray Charles could see what they're setting up

Miz beats Lawler thanks to Cole getting involved, leading to the anonymous Raw GM making a Wrestlemania gimmick match between Lawler and Cole, Jerry will win and ride off into the sunset, and we'll finally get a color commentator worth a damn.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Miz and he's entertaining.

But it's Mania.... ****

EDIT: Agreed Vic that this is some of the worst booking of all time. I can see it now: Miz and Cole V Cena and WWE Champion Jerry Lawler in the main event at WM.

*puke*

And you know what, now that I think about it, the though of the two title matches being Miz/Cena and Del Rio/Edge is depressing. Neither Miz nor Del Rio are ready to main event WM, despite how big a fan I am of both of them.

The only thing that can save the WM at this point is Sting/Taker (if that promo is indeed indicative of Sting's return).

Raw was awful. Smackdown >>> Raw.

a few guys I like and boredom are what keep me from stop watching again for awhile.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Miz and he's entertaining.

But it's Mania.... ****

EDIT: Agreed Vic that this is some of the worst booking of all time. I can see it now: Miz and Cole V Cena and WWE Champion Jerry Lawler in the main event at WM.
Would you rather see Cena vs. Orton part XXXVIII? At least they're doing something fresh and elevating new stars. Batista's gone, HHH is hurt, Jericho's gone, JBL's gone, Taker's on hiatus. They have to replace these guys somehow, Cena and Orton can't be in the main event every damn year.

Come on, even Ray Charles could see what they're setting up

Miz beats Lawler thanks to Cole getting involved, leading to the anonymous Raw GM making a Wrestlemania gimmick match between Lawler and Cole, Jerry will win and ride off into the sunset, and we'll finally get a color commentator worth a damn.

been thinking about that too...i think you're right here

Come on, even Ray Charles could see what they're setting up

Miz beats Lawler thanks to Cole getting involved, leading to the anonymous Raw GM making a Wrestlemania gimmick match between Lawler and Cole, Jerry will win and ride off into the sunset, and we'll finally get a color commentator worth a damn.

It's terrible.

WM is shaping up to be awful.

Lawler will still get his Wrestlamania match, since they're making such a big stink about it.


It would be against Michael Cole, so yeah, he'll probably win.

I think Lawler would rather lose to The Miz at Mania than win against Mitchell Cole.

Would you rather see Cena vs. Orton part XXXVIII? At least they're doing something fresh and elevating new stars. Batista's gone, HHH is hurt, Jericho's gone, JBL's gone, Taker's on hiatus. They have to replace these guys somehow, Cena and Orton can't be in the main event every damn year.

Orton/Punk is fresh, neither were anywhere close to the main event last year, and more importantly: both are more over and credible than the Miz. It's also a money feud for the WWE and should not be relegated to the midcard.

Listen, I'm a fan of the Miz, but this is Wrestlemania....after how he's been booked thus far, there's no way in hell he should be main eventing the biggest PPV of the year.

EDIT: Don't even get me started on the odd Cena/Punk booking and then the random dropping of that storyline. At this point I just hope Nexus disappears and Punk runs solo again.

So Sheamus will have to some how take out Lawler and get the EC title spot cause this is a joke.

Jerry comes in and goes Super Cena and then eventually wins?

Really? REALLY? REALLY!?

*puke*

And you know what, now that I think about it, the though of the two title matches being Miz/Cena and Del Rio/Edge is depressing. Neither Miz nor Del Rio are ready to main event WM, despite how big a fan I am of both of them.

The only thing that can save the WM at this point is Sting/Taker (if that promo is indeed indicative of Sting's return).

I wouldn't count out one of those being a Triple Threat.

I thought Sheamus was going to win the match and Triple H would return and destroy him... but they had King win the match and get a WWE Championship match at a pay-per-view? Really? Really?

I wouldn't count out one of those being a Triple Threat.

I know it probably won't happen, but I really hope Christian is added in to the mix for the World Heavyweight Championship. It's a long shot, but who knows.

Would you rather see Cena vs. Orton part XXXVIII? At least they're doing something fresh and elevating new stars. Batista's gone, HHH is hurt, Jericho's gone, JBL's gone, Taker's on hiatus. They have to replace these guys somehow, Cena and Orton can't be in the main event every damn year.

What about Punk-Cena?

You replace guys like HHH and Batista by building them up for a spot like this. WWE doesn't really build guys up anymore. They throw them into the fire right away without any build up and they think by putting a belt on someone that it *makes* them (Sheamus, Swagger, Khali ect). Only Sheamus has worked out, and that's thanks to Triple H putting him over cause when Sheamus was champ he was getting crapped on by the fans. They are doing the same thing for ADR (granted he HAS been built up, but not for this kind of stage).

Miz was built up to be champion, but once he became champion he is only a level higher than David Arquette on the world title totem pole. Miz has no credibility at the moment. If Miz were to have been booked like a great champion, then maybe Cena/Miz would be worthy but it's just not.

I know it probably won't happen, but I really hope Christian is added in to the mix for the World Heavyweight Championship. It's a long shot, but who knows.

If it were to happen, it would be someone capable of being in the WM main event.

I wouldn't count out one of those being a Triple Threat.

I dunno.

As far as Miz/Cena goes, I doubt they make it a fatal four way by including Punk/Orton.

With regards to Edge/Del Rio, only other person I can think of being in that match is Rey, but I think he'll be in a match against Rhodes.....and Christian is never getting a title shot, WWE has made that pretty evident with the way he's been booked.

My prediction is unfortunately Miz vs Cena at Mania. I say unfortunately because Miz aint ready(his run's been a disaster so far), and I have no desire to have SuperCena main event another Wrestlemania and win again. They could make it a triple threat/fatal 4way but I doubt it

That's pathetic. I'm actually with Michael Cole on this one.

I love both Miz and ADR but neither should main event mania, yet.

Like others have said Miz has been the weakest champion in recent memory and ADR hasn't even been around a year yet.
ADR and Barrett were thrown to the fire right away in to the main event card, no paying dues for them. But thats what they have to do the talent pool isn't as deep as it was back in the day. And you can see that tonight with Lawler and K-Kwik being in a main event match and Lawler actually winning.

Their 3 biggest draws are Boreton, SuperCena and Rey Mypushkillerio. And other than little kids most of us are tired of them.

I used to be a fan of Basic Thuganomics Chain Gang Cena and midcard crusierweight Rey but how there used now is beyond dreadful.

The Miz's, ADR's, Ziggler's, etc have potential but shouldn't be main eventing mania yet.

So i.e. only Sting/Taker can save the day.

They put the strap on Sheamus under a year and he was a fine champion, IMO. ADR will make for a great champion. He's good in the ring, he's great on the mic, draws tremendous heat. I have no problem with him main eventing WM, I'd like to see him capture that crown too, and he will. He's royalty.

The thought of Sting on television that people watch makes me giggle. Hasn't been that way since 1998.

They put the strap on Sheamus under a year and he was a fine champion, IMO. ADR will make for a great champion. He's good in the ring, he's great on the mic, draws tremendous heat. I have no problem with him main eventing WM, I'd like to see him capture that crown too, and he will. He's royalty.

Sheamus' first reign was just as bad as Miz's current reign. Remember, his victories relied upon Cena falling onto a table by himself and getting attacked by Rhodes/DiBiase a month later. Even then, his size made him look more credible than the Miz, despite the awful booking.

It's unfortunate, but it seems to be a common theme in WWE: new champions are booked poorly. Sheamus was weak, Punk was weak, Swagger was weak, and now Miz is weak. Sheamus and Punk survived disastrous first reigns, whereas Swagger appears to be future endeavor material within a year.

WWE needs to put far more effort into building up new champions.

EDIT: $5 says the same thing will happen to Del Rio, unfortunately....that's if he even wins the title at WM.

Sheamus' first reign was just as bad as Miz's current reign. Remember, his victories relied upon Cena falling onto a table by himself and getting attacked by Rhodes/DiBiase a month later. Even then, his size made him look more credible than the Miz, despite the awful booking.

It's unfortunate, but it seems to be a common theme in WWE: new champions are booked poorly. Sheamus was weak, Punk was weak, Swagger was weak, and now Miz is weak. Sheamus and Punk survived disastrous first reigns, whereas Swagger appears to be future endeavor material within a year.

WWE needs to put far more effort into building up new champions.

EDIT: $5 says the same thing will happen to Del Rio, unfortunately....that's if he even wins the title at WM.

Guess they go weak on the heels. I guess their new thing is that heels are supposed to win by dirty means only and will never be strong other than on the mic telling us we're stupid.

WrestleZone has exclusively learned that WWE plans on giving Jerry Lawler his wish, and "The King" will get to wrestle at WrestleMania.

The plans, which are considered "top secret" at the moment, are for Lawler to be involved in some sort of gimmick or handicap match involving Michael Cole.

WWE Chairman Vince McMahon feels they have invested so much time and air time into Michael Cole's heel persona, they need to get (and we quote) "some sort of payoff or resolution to the investment."

According to a key insider in WWE, Lawler and Cole will end up "in some sort of situation where they blow off Cole's heel run on the biggest show of the year."

WrestleZone is the first to report this breaking news, and we will continue to monitor this developing story as more becomes available.

Not a chance that it's Sting.

He has never wanted any part of the WWE, no reason to think that he would come onboard at this stage in his career.

Uh, yeah there is. There's plenty of reasons it could be Sting.

1. The vignette is quite similar to his vignette leading into Starrcade 1997.

2. Sting initially didn't go to WWE because he wasn't confident in how he would be used, but this was 10 years ago, shortly after WCW went under. At this point in his career, it would likely be "make a few appearances, wrestle a few matches, get inducted into the HOF when WM goes to the former home of WCW". Why would he turn that down?

3. Sting decided against returning to TNA, much like Kevin Nash and Booker T.

4. The 2/21 Raw is in Fresno. Sting resides in California. It wouldn't take very long for him to get there.

Need I go on?

Lawler/Cole
I think everyone expects that to happen.

This was the most interesting part of Raw:

Ur2ZBit2QXo
Who could it be?

Undertaker?
Sting?
Skip?
Glacier?
Luke Gallows as fake Undertaker?

I think everyone expects that to happen.

This was the most interesting part of Raw:

Ur2ZBit2QXo
Who could it be?

Undertaker?
Sting?
Skip?
Glacier?
Luke Gallows as fake Undertaker?

:laugh:

So what does everyone's WM look like?

I have this:

Cena/Miz
Orton/Punk
Edge/ADR
King/Cole
Sheamus/J-Mo (either together or MITB)
Divas battle royale for the title
MITB
Big Show/Diesel

What the hell are the writers doing? It's like they have to mix their very good decisions with God awful ones.

We all know Cole vs King is happening at WM. I actually love that. I just don't understand why the **** we have to see King in a championship match when the youth is being pushed through the roof. I just don't get that writing at all. If nobody else is available, push Daniel Bryan. He'll put on a hell of a show and job just fine.

Also, is creativity so bad that we needed another rumble? I love EC qualifying matches and stuff like that. Don't give me some lame rumble and expect me to pay $54.99 for King/Miz and R-Truth in the Elimination Chamber match. We all know Cena wins the EC and Miz wins his match. At least keep me interested for crying out loud. We don't even ask that much from the industry. Just keep it interesting enough to watch.

Btw, what the hell was up with the dance off? This is the road to Wrestlemania. Save that trash for a different time.

So what does everyone's WM look like?

I have this:

Cena/Miz
Orton/Punk
Edge/ADR
King/Cole
Sheamus/J-Mo (either together or MITB)
Divas battle royale for the title
MITB
Big Show/Diesel

I would say Big Show vs. Zeke. Sheamus vs. HHH is in there, too. J-Mo will win the MITB.

So what does everyone's WM look like?

I have this:

Cena/Miz
Orton/Punk
Edge/ADR
King/Cole
Sheamus/J-Mo (either together or MITB)
Divas battle royale for the title
MITB
Big Show/Diesel

I got:

John Cena vs The Miz - WWE Championship
Edge vs Alberto Del Rio - World Heavyweight Championship
The Undertaker vs Wade Barrett
CM Punk vs Randy Orton
Triple H vs Sheamus - possible gimmick match, last man standing?
Jerry 'The King' Lawler vs Michael Cole
Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes
Big Show vs Ezekiel Jackson
Divas Battle Royal - Divas Championship
Money in the Bank Ladder Match

I would say Big Show vs. Zeke. Sheamus vs. HHH is in there, too. J-Mo will win the MITB.

I would like to see a Justin Gabriel, Kofi Kingston, J-Mo, Christian, Bourne, Swagger MiTB.

Only problem is that there are too many faces in that scenario.

What happened to the Punk/Cena feud?

Look for Diesel to show up tomorrow for Smackdown taping? Maybe the PPV buys might not be big but the Atlanta/WCW Crowd would mark for Show/Nash, which is hard to get that big crowd going for a toss-in match.



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I think everyone expects that to happen.

This was the most interesting part of Raw:

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Who could it be?

Undertaker?
Sting?
Skip?
Glacier?
Luke Gallows as fake Undertaker?
Goldust as 7even. 2.21.11: 2+2+1+1+1=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7RLzLXDsAI

What happened to the Punk/Cena feud?

It all of a sudden became a Punk/Orton feud as they thought they'd bore the hell outta us with Cena/Miz.

It's Sting. There's little to no doubt in my mind after those promos.

...but it could always be Mordecai.

WM Predictions for me a this point:

1- The Miz (C) Vs. Cena Vs. Orton Vs. Punk in a 4-man for the WWE Champ.

2- Edge (C) Vs Del Rio Vs. Rey Vs Barrett/Ziggler for World Champ.

3- HHH Vs. Sheamus

4- Undertaker vs Stink/Barrett

5- Diesel Vs Big Show

6- Some sort of largest ever MITB match to get more guys face time.

7- King Vs. Cole w/ Guest Ref: Raw GM (Stone Cold Steve Austin? He is under contract after all)

8- IC/US Title Unification Match

9- Unified Tag Titles Match w/ Corre Vs. Nexus

10- Diva Battle Royal for Divas Championship

Hmmm....that was an interesting promo.

3 weeks from now, another debut on Raw?

Mistico?

That's possible, I guess... but if the guy in the trenchcoat is who I think it is, you all are gonna see me mark out like you've never seen anyone mark out before... :)

Goldust as 7even. 2.21.11: 2+2+1+1+1=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7RLzLXDsAI

Son of a . . . . that was my line.

Whoever it is, that was really well done.

Uh, yeah there is. There's plenty of reasons it could be Sting.

1. The vignette is quite similar to his vignette leading into Starrcade 1997.

2. Sting initially didn't go to WWE because he wasn't confident in how he would be used, but this was 10 years ago, shortly after WCW went under. At this point in his career, it would likely be "make a few appearances, wrestle a few matches, get inducted into the HOF when WM goes to the former home of WCW". Why would he turn that down?

3. Sting decided against returning to TNA, much like Kevin Nash and Booker T.

4. The 2/21 Raw is in Fresno. Sting resides in California. It wouldn't take very long for him to get there.

Need I go on?

When did he decide against returning to TNA? when was there any report that confirmed that? heck he's still even on TNA's roster page.

Anyways, if they were bringing in Sting, not really fond of these little build up promos. They should have had Taker cutting a promo and then Sting makes a shock appearance interrupting him (flying down from the roof but that probably won't happen), give us a real WTF moment. Someone will say yeah but then you didn't grab the viewers who are going to tune in for Sting, I don't really care, it would have been much cooler.

When did he decide against returning to TNA? when was there any report that confirmed that? heck he's still even on TNA's roster page.

Anyways, if they were bringing in Sting, not really fond of these little build up promos. They should have had Taker cutting a promo and then Sting makes a shock appearance interrupting him (flying down from the roof but that probably won't happen), give us a real WTF moment. Someone will say yeah but then you didn't grab the viewers who are going to tune in for Sting, I don't really care, it would have been much cooler.
To the bolded-part; TNA's roster page is one of the worst updated things I've ever seen. People have the left the company and not been taken off for months after. I'm not sure if its better of late, but I used to be really, really bad. I'm 99% positive it's not much better since Nash was on the roster until the other day. It's not hard to hide a page.

As for promos building up people, they're great. The Alberto del Rio and Carlito promos were very beneficial in getting them over. And they showed them. Same with the old Jericho promos. These is a great way to do it. It HAS to be Sting (or someone new). They wouldn't do this for Undertaker, IMO. Everyone knows he's coming back for Wrestlemania.

Sure it's cool to have a "WOW" moment, but WWE just gave you two of them at the Royal Rumble (Booker T and Diesel). It will still be a "WOW" moment to see Sting in a WWE ring, whether or not they push for the extra viewers or not.

I'm torn about wanting it to be Sting. This is the new era of guys coming in and taking over. Do I really want to see Sting come out? I guess the only part of me that does is because he's been the only guy never to come to the WWE and had a career the way he has. Would he really come out and be 0-1 in his only match ever w/ the WWE by facing Taker? Come on... I don't see that happening.

I'm guessing Taker... which is strange because we don't need the sweet promo. They should have saved it for someone else if that's the case. I guess they could sell the "How is he back?!? He was buried alive!!" Then we get Taker/Barrett but that still doesn't make sense because even Barrett is on SD.

Whatever it is... the promo has us all talking and guessing. That's a good thing. If the writers could just pull their head out of their ***** and stop having Hornswaggle or any dance offs.. we'd be set for a decent product.

Its either Sting or Tyler Black at this point. Doubt they would do another promo for a Taker return.



That is unless they waste everyones time and it ends up being Kong.

Is Sting even out of contract with TNA?

Is Sting even out of contract with TNA?

I remember reading something on Wrestlezone that Sting was working w/o a contract and just on a night-to-night basis. Take it for what it's worth... Wrestlezone has been wrong before and it's just hearsay.

For what it's worth, the guy I work with who was backstage for both Rumble and last night's RAW (same guy who I get all my info from) said ADR is the golden child of creative right now. They're super high on him. So when he wins the title at WM (it's pointless to have him lose) I think they'll push him to a solid title reign.

Miz has fallen into weak reign purgatory, and when he loses to Cena at WM it's going to squash any momentum he had unfortunately. The Miz was excellent as a midcard champ, and definitely worthy of the push. Just seems foolish to push a guy, give him a phony title reign and then have John Wayne shoot him down at WM and ride off into the sunset holding the title. It's very poorly written thus far.

I can get into Punk/Orton...but they need to cut the scared/weak persona of Punk. It's a waste of his talents. He is so much better suited for a bad ass, sarcastic, I'm doing what I want type heel role. Similar to Orton actually.

Basically, they've got a ton of talent on the roster, but just about every guy is being grossly mishandled. Because of their own mistakes, I think WM is shaping up to suck...real bad. It's pathetic that Sting is the only thing I'm looking forward to at this point.

For what it's worth, the guy I work with who was backstage for both Rumble and last night's RAW (same guy who I get all my info from) said ADR is the golden child of creative right now. They're super high on him. So when he wins the title at WM (it's pointless to have him lose) I think they'll push him to a solid title reign.

Miz has fallen into weak reign purgatory, and when he loses to Cena at WM it's going to squash any momentum he had unfortunately. The Miz was excellent as a midcard champ, and definitely worthy of the push. Just seems foolish to push a guy, give him a phony title reign and then have John Wayne shoot him down at WM and ride off into the sunset holding the title. It's very poorly written thus far.

I can get into Punk/Orton...but they need to cut the scared/weak persona of Punk. It's a waste of his talents. He is so much better suited for a bad ass, sarcastic, I'm doing what I want type heel role. Similar to Orton actually.

Basically, they've got a ton of talent on the roster, but just about every guy is being grossly mishandled. Because of their own mistakes, I think WM is shaping up to suck...real bad. It's pathetic that Sting is the only thing I'm looking forward to at this point.

The thing I don't understand is how Creative doesn't realize the importance of PPV wins. You can have Punk beat up Orton 4 straight Raws but it won't matter unless he wins at the PPV. That's how stars go over. I'll never forget Owen going over Bret at WM. That made him a realistic star.

I understand that Orton/Cena will eventually win the war against these guys. Faces always do. You just can't bury the guy's momentum by making him look weak AND losing at the PPV. It just kills everything built up.

As for WM - it could be a very good WM, if written properly. But you have ins and know better than all of us that it just won't be. I don't blame talent or not enough emerging headliners - i only blame the writing at this point. That Rumble could have been the best Rumble I've ever seen and they just couldn't get over themselves to book a Cena squash and lame humor.

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Who could it be?

Undertaker?
Sting?
Skip?
Glacier?
Luke Gallows as fake Undertaker?



None its the return of ASF.

Its either Sting or Tyler Black at this point. Doubt they would do another promo for a Taker return.



That is unless they waste everyones time and it ends up being Kong.

Have they ever done promos for a woman's debut?

I can't think of one.

Have they ever done promos for a woman's debut?

I can't think of one.

Didn't they do one for Maryse? Other than that don't think so unless they did one for a diva in the last 3 years or so.




Heard this, not sure how true it is but apparently the arena Raw is being held at on 2-21 is advertising Taker.

Heard this, not sure how true it is but apparently the arena Raw is being held at on 2-21 is advertising Taker.

http://nodq.com/features/298593968.shtml

link to video on the page, didn't want to post it directly in case people don't want to see it. It's also possible they could both be there, to kick off the story line, if it indeed is happening

^^^That would be great.

I don't follow TNA that much......when was the last time Sting actually wrestled? Was he any good?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5209/imag0083v.jpg

And it continues...

I don't follow TNA that much......when was the last time Sting actually wrestled? Was he any good?

Sting can still go in the ring, but there's no doubt time is catching up to him.

I don't follow TNA that much......when was the last time Sting actually wrestled? Was he any good?

That would imply that Stink was good even in his prime. :rolleyes:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5209/imag0083v.jpg

And it continues...



Sting can still go in the ring, but there's no doubt time is catching up to him.

Well... no matter what they at least have people talking. That's the first step when trying to bring in the audience. The WWE just needs to actually bring it/sell it/write it well enough to keep the momentum moving forward. As of late, they pick/choose one or two of those and forget the rest.

As for the promo itself - just amazing work. So simple yet really gets you interested.

That would imply that Stink was good even in his prime. :rolleyes:

And you're insinuating he wasn't? That's even funnier.

That would imply that Stink was good even in his prime. :rolleyes:

I was never a Sting fan, but the fact Flair wanted his last match in WCW to be against him says something.

Have they ever done promos for a woman's debut?

I can't think of one.

iirc, they did a bunch for gail kim's debut, and that helped sell her winning the title in her first match

I was never a Sting fan, but the fact Flair wanted his last match in WCW to be against him says something.

Sting also carried Hogan to good matches.

Hogan.

Good matches.

Wut?

Best thing Gail Kim ever did was those pictures back in Korea that were blurred, but some computer genius unblurred them and then you can see everything. She looked better then, than she does now.

Have they ever done promos for a woman's debut?

I can't think of one.
They actually shot a promo for AJ's debut, but scrapped it when they decided to do NXT season 3. They showed it during a Smackdown taping but cut it out of the tv airing.

As for promos building up people, they're great. The Alberto del Rio and Carlito promos were very beneficial in getting them over. And they showed them. Same with the old Jericho promos. These is a great way to do it. It HAS to be Sting (or someone new). They wouldn't do this for Undertaker, IMO. Everyone knows he's coming back for Wrestlemania.

Sure it's cool to have a "WOW" moment, but WWE just gave you two of them at the Royal Rumble (Booker T and Diesel). It will still be a "WOW" moment to see Sting in a WWE ring, whether or not they push for the extra viewers or not.

They're great for you, they're great for some people, but I would prefer him to just show up as a complete surprise, it would be much more epic. "beneficial in getting them over", Sting doesn't need that.

Nash and Booker T were hardly "wow" moments. Nothing really wow to me about people coming back for the Rumble, cool yes, wow no. Taker cutting a promo and then the lights go out completely, come back on and Sting in standing in the ring face to face with him, that is a WOW moment. Would be one of the best WOW moments ever.

They're great for you, they're great for some people, but I would prefer him to just show up as a complete surprise, it would be much more epic. "beneficial in getting them over", Sting doesn't need that.

Nash and Booker T were hardly "wow" moments. Nothing really wow to me about people coming back for the Rumble, cool yes, wow no. Taker cutting a promo and then the lights go out completely, come back on and Sting in standing in the ring face to face with him, that is a WOW moment. Would be one of the best WOW moments ever.

I agree, but you have to think WWE is doing it for ratings purposes. I'm all for shock value when it's done right, but WWE's at a point where their ratings need a major boost. Yeah it would be awesome to have Sting appear out of the blue, but if you just have your regular audience tuning in, the ratings really won't increase much. At least with this, the majority of fans believe that Sting IS coming, and even those who turned away from wrestling in recent years may tune in to that 2/21 Raw to see exactly what happens, thus boosting their ratings.

I agree, but you have to think WWE is doing it for ratings purposes. I'm all for shock value when it's done right, but WWE's at a point where their ratings need a major boost. Yeah it would be awesome to have Sting appear out of the blue, but if you just have your regular audience tuning in, the ratings really won't increase much. At least with this, the majority of fans believe that Sting IS coming, and even those who turned away from wrestling in recent years may tune in to that 2/21 Raw to see exactly what happens, thus boosting their ratings.

Like I said in my first post about it, someone will come in posting that you then miss out on the potential audience for people who will tune in for Sting. I can definitely see why doing it that way is the right thing for them to do. It would be much more epic done a different way though, but ratings > epicness from a business standpoint.

Like I said in my first post about it, someone will come in posting that you then miss out on the potential audience for people who will tune in for Sting. I can definitely see why doing it that way is the right thing for them to do. It would be much more epic done a different way though, but ratings > epicness from a business standpoint.

I think your scenario would turn me into a child again... and I'm very impartial to Sting. If that moment occurred where Sting appeared out of nowhere during a Taker promo.... wow! I think I'd have to stand up and have a mark-out moment.

We all understand ratings/business/yada yada. From a "wow" perspective... it'd be through the roof.

Look for Diesel to show up tomorrow for Smackdown taping? Maybe the PPV buys might not be big but the Atlanta/WCW Crowd would mark for Show/Nash, which is hard to get that big crowd going for a toss-in match.

At this point it is a very good idea for Vince to make Nash happy. Nash was with TNA for a long time so he is close to alot of the long-timers in that locker room and in particular alot of the younger crop of stars over there who might be getting tired of the current regime.

then again...they better bring their dancing boots.

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I know who it's going to be.

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At this point it is a very good idea for Vince to make Nash happy. Nash was with TNA for a long time so he is close to alot of the long-timers in that locker room and in particular alot of the younger crop of stars over there who might be getting tired of the current regime.

then again...they better bring their dancing boots.

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It's not hard to make Nash happy, just pay him.

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Nice .GIF, but your point was what, again?

I'm guessing he thinks it's HHH returning on 2/21/11.....

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"WWE Chairman Mr. McMahon returns to WWE TV tonight to begin Monday Night Raw live at 9/8 CT on USA Network!"

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/vince-mcmahon-confirmed-to-appear-on-raw-tonight-123179

He's out of his coma?!

Still waiting on Kong's debut.....will she finally squash LayCool tonight?

Or perhaps their opposition?

Hoping Sheamus interrupts Vince. Then we finally get our HHH return.

here we go

This should be interesting.

No chance in hell to open the show?

Whooo! Vince is back.

It's been almost a year since Vince was on TV?


For real, ignoring that stupid crap with campaign signs taped to his ass.

Vince getting bigger pops than some the wrestlers. :laugh:

The guest host of Wrestlemania? Oh lord :facepalm:

any streams?

ummmm did that have a point????

I'm guessing The Rock will be guest host of Mania.

So...i've heard Vince's theme for what like 12 years now? I don't think i've ever gotten tired of it :laugh:

The guest host of Wrestlemania? Oh lord :facepalm:

ted turner :sarcasm:

edit...i'm pretty sure Jussi is correct

I hope it's Bieber.

any streams?

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/51924-WWE-Raw-7th-February-2011

I recommend VIP Sports.

CM Punk interruption for the win!!!!!!!

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/51924-WWE-Raw-7th-February-2011

I recommend VIP Sports.
Thanks, bawse

What is up with a guest host of Mania? Who the hell cares? We all think Rock, though?

randell :biglaugh:

I think Doink will be hosting.

"You're right, Randall!"

Respect for Punk +10. :biglaugh:

Continuity!

Continuity!

:amazed:

Whoever said they'd go back to Unforgiven must be happy right now :laugh:

Thanks, bawse

Say hi to my Ignore list for using that "term". :rant:

Host will be Ricky Gervais.

Punk makes sense as the face in this fued

Heh good luck Punk.

Haha Ryan's kicks looked terrible.

LOL @ the kids chanting Cena's name. :facepalm::laugh:

wtf didnt king watch the video where randys henchmen attacked punk?

Oh No Blood!!!!!!!!

Blood........ ;)

If Punk made Orton bleed he'd be released next week.

Sweet retribution by Punk there.

Loved the "fist-pounding taunt" mimic that Randy usually does, although that's usually done before the finisher. :laugh:

orton would probalby try to get punk fired for that bloody nose

If Punk made Orton bleed he'd be released next week.

True. Orton throws a hissy fit every time he takes a move stiff. Punk gets a nose bleed on the first shot he takes from Randy. I'm hoping Punk gave him an extra something in that GTS.

Wow... this guy is a freak.

we missed EMAIL HEAT???? dam

NO! The Chaperone isn't coming to my area. LOL that's okay, i'll just get it on DVD from Wal-Mart in a few weeks.

Y'all know what time it is.

do we need an effin replay of coles gm announcement?

Oh joy, K-Kwik vs Batistwo.

No R-Truth you're in Milwaukee. FAIL!

LOL R-TRUTH hahahahahahaha.

MILWAUKEE

what an idiot.

MILWAUKEE CHANTS :biglaugh:

Now I hope R-Truth loses this match.

this is the one time the announcers should be more interesting than the match

Double botch by R-Truth. Milwaukee chant and now his knee is busted.

Brock lock!

Epic fail by Kwik... Mason Ryan looks stiff as hell in the ring.

Thank you.

k kwik with his best road dogg impersonation???

More Milwaukee chants. HAHA!

well thats a pretty lame submission hold

This will teach K-Kwik to learn his Wisconsin Geography

I already predicted this last week, R-Truth gets destroyed and is out of the EC.

LOL wut?

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Milwaukee chants again :laugh:

Cole = TH6Acpzurb0

wow thats terrible.

also rtruth came out to help cena all the time, wheres cena now?

Double botch by R-Truth. Milwaukee chant and now his knee is busted.

Obivous work. Not actually injured.

I had the audio turned down for that one....where did K-Kwik think they were? :laugh:

wow thats terrible.

also rtruth came out to help cena all the time, wheres cena now?

30 minutes into Raw and... not much has happened. I'm only excited for commercials so we can see a new promo for 2.21.11.

I had the audio turned down for that one....where did K-Kwik think they were? :laugh:

Green Bay

Obivous work. Not actually injured.

Yeah, couldn't have done a few moves if it was actually busted. But he did botch the corner spot when he failed to jump over Ryan.

HELLO, streamer switched to porn! :naughty:

Green Bay

Ah, figured as much.

Gotta love when TV folk forget when they are.

Please let someone good replace Truth in the Chamber.

"eve looks good with the GOLD"??????

Uh Cole, that's technically not gold.

For the love of god LET KONG WRECK ALL THESE *****ES.

geez. its one thing to have a heel announcer but to have that announcer basically putting himself over as the biggest heel on the roster is pathetic. He puts way too much focus on himself.

So attacking Gail Kim turned the Bellas heel?? K.

SHUT...UP...COLE

so freaking annoying

Tamina in the ring? Without Santino? We better see top rope splash.

Here it is.

Cole is ****ing horrible.

Cole is so awful it is so funny though. He just ripped into R Truth

Cash song points to Undertaker.

Six-diva tag and still no Kong.

I don't get it. :laugh:

Here's that 2/21 promo again.

alright, it's Taker

It's Taker.

"there ain't no grave that can hold my body down"

ugh...that basically gave it away...

for me is beyond heel heat. Its I dont ever want to see this farking guy on my tv or hear his terrible play by play again. You should love to hate heels, not want them gone from the company

Ok, NOW they are hinting at undertaker :laugh:

It's Taker. "There ain't no grave can keep my body down"

Why can't 2 21 11 be both?


Undertaker returns


Sting in the rafters

Yeah pretty obvious it's Taker now. Big letdown.

Ok, NOW they are hinting at undertaker :laugh:

It's almost like they added that song just to let us know.

Canadian Tape Delay: The Truth stuff was hilarious.

It's Taker. "There ain't no grave can keep my body down"
On the other hand, TNA qualifies as a grave for careers.

So WWE had an ad that blatantly said Undertaker was coming back (which was quickly pulled), the vignette is now giving it away big time that it's Undertaker. Why have the vignette at all now?

Awesome promo.

Vince bought TNA?

Ugh, I'm waiting for someone to power bomb Cole repeatedly through several thousand tables, I hate that guy, and not in the fun way. I want him gone from the air completely.

wish theyd stop calling it a parkour style every 30 seconds

I can't take a guy named McGillicutty seriously.

um okay?

I can't take a guy named McGillicutty seriously.

noone could ever get over with that name.

Punk is now Rick The Model Martel?

noone could ever get over with that name.

i'm guessing at some point he goes off and then declares himself "michael henning" eventually...making all right

i came to play!

It's so obvious that the Miz and that dude that follows him around are lovers.

Next week a blinded John The Snake...Morrison cuts a promo how he's going to get back at CM "The Model" Punk.

LOL at Lawler ripping on his hair. It's called shaving your head Jerry.

Anyway, only talk show I think Miz has ever been on is the Real World Reunion show.

Jerry pretty awful on the mic right now.

Wings just got over, great game.

What I miss?

Jerry pretty awful on the mic right now.

i think he's doing well...its an old school promo...works for me anyways

Wings just got over, great game.

What I miss?

The Rock came out, dissed everyone, then laid the smackdown on ALL the candyasses!

this is lame

it takes 3 wrestlers to beat down an old never was announcer

It's too bad they won't just debut Awesome Kong. The 6-diva tag match is a great tool to do it. Have her come in and squash everyone.

Where's that improved lyrics for DiBiase's theme?

daniel bryan would be more successful???? doesn't he have a title??? GAWD I HATE MICHAEL COLE

This Raw is a snoozer.

Rileys' botches even on commentary. :facepalm:

Cole calling anyone a nerd is hilarious.

Rileys' botches even on commentary. :facepalm:

:biglaugh:

King and Cole are too involved in storylines to be commentating. They need a third guy like JR just to stay even while the two basically be the colour guys.

"Bryan Danielson... - That's Daniel Bryan"

King and Cole are too involved in storylines to be commentating. They need a third guy like JR just to stay even while the two basically be the colour guys.
Punk did an amazing job of that before his return to wrestling

Great, streamer is now offering porn for the blind. :laugh:

Oh no, please, someone bring me back to reality. I am actually starting to think they might really put the strap on King.

ugh...and who called it that maryse would be out here with teddy?

A-Ri is just happy to be here. Well that might not be for long. But we already know that.

The Rock came out, dissed everyone, then laid the smackdown on ALL the candyasses!

That would be awesome.

But I translate that as the exact opposite or how awesome that would be, which means probably just some Boreton stuff and divas matches lol.

ugh...and who called it that maryse would be out here with teddy?

*raises hand*

RT @JoeyStyles: Daniel Bryan made the Miz tap out to win the US Title and Miz is now WWE Champion. Ergo Daniel Bryan is good enough to be the WWE Champion.

harry carey???? really???

RIP

A-Ri is just happy to be here. Well that might not be for long. But we already know that.

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That would be awesome.

But I translate that as the exact opposite or how awesome that would be, which means probably just some Boreton stuff and divas matches lol.

Vince announced a special guest host for Mania (will be revealed next week) and my guess is The Rock.

oh send dibiase to the minors

With some work, Riley could be a decent commentator though

oh send dibiase to the minors

Remember when the crowd was going insane when he was about to turn face on Orton? They almost all but ruined his character in that short time.

With a whole lot of work, Riley could be a decent commentator though

That's better.

Vince announced a special guest host for Mania (will be revealed next week) and my guess is The Rock.

My guess is HHH. He returns to Raw next week, Sheamus loses at E.C., and set up HHH vs Sheamus at 'Mania.

Too many limes, too many limes....

Sheamus dressed in Packers colors, fella.

MARK HENRY SAY WHAAA?

:biglaugh:

Are we just going to make stuff up now? If you're going to say someone said something...shouldn't they be saying it?


And since when did the reporter run down the ramp?

They should just replace Cole's "commentary" with the glug, glug and choking noises of him stuffing Miz's piece down his throat.

"How long has Mark Henry been here? Tirteen years?"

My guess is HHH. He returns to Raw next week, Sheamus loses at E.C., and set up HHH vs Sheamus at 'Mania.

Ahm... I was talking about a guest host, not a performer returning.

No Way! It's A Nexus Hoodie!!!

someone putting mark henry in a push mode???

Somebody's gonna get a sandwich.

If they did bring back the Rock for Mania it would distract from the rest of the botched card.

Mr Jennifer Hudson going all ghetto.

WTF was that? Matthews running down ramp and random Mark Henry stuff.

And lol at "turteen years fella."

beautiful plan Punk...beautiful

Harry Carey, susf.

If they did bring back the Rock for Mania it would distract from the rest of the botched card.

He wouldn't wrestle, probably do some skits or promos, guest ref at best.

Watch Otunga still lose. :laugh:

Sheamus should never job to Mark Henry. WWE writing makes no ****ing sense. You push youngsters then you immediately kill their momentum when their title runs are over.

I'm confused.

Its ADR!!! But you already knew that.

its ADR!!!!! but you already knew that

Sick ride. ADR is here! But you already know that.

Its ADR!!! But you already knew that.

its ADR!!!!! but you already knew that

that's scary

MARK HENRY SAY WHAAA?

:biglaugh:

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Jennifer Hudson's panties just got wet at home seeing her man triumphant again.

ADR!