NBA Rumblings

Gibsons Finest
07-01-2004, 08:20 PM
-Steve Nash has reached a verbal agreement with the Phoenix Suns, reportedly. The deal is reportedly worth $65 million over 5 years($13 million per), and an option for a sixth. The deal can't be made official untill July 14th, when the salary cap is established. Nash presented the deal to the Mavericks, but Cuban declined, as he won't give Nash anything more than 4 years.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story.asp?id=89735


-Vince Carter may be done in Toronto. Many sporting stations are reporting Carter has demanded a trade from the Raptors. The reason stated is that he does not like the hiring of GM Rob Babcock, or the draft selection of Rafael Arajuo in the NBA draft.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story.asp?id=89734

FearTheFlyers
07-01-2004, 08:37 PM
Can't say I'd be sad to see Vince go.

Gibsons Finest
07-01-2004, 09:06 PM
I wonder where he'll go, and what the return would be. The Iverson for Carter rumors may resurface, and that wouldn't be too bad for the Raps. If Kobe leaves, which is doubtful IMO, the Lakers may want to bring him in. I could also see the Mavs looking at him, as Nash is gone(Finley might be able to go point).

As a Mavs fan, I'm very disappointed in Cuban that he wouldn't sign Nash for that deal. It's alot of money, but the Mavs won't be nearly as effective with him gone. Kobe signing there would kill Shaq talks, but it'd more than replace Nash.

GKJ
07-01-2004, 10:57 PM
Iverson is not getting traded anytime soon, espically not for Vince Carter. The 76ers drafted Iguodala because he fits the type of player Allen Iverson needs to be successful.

I would bet Vince Carter end up in New York


I would bet Operation Expand to Canada will cease once it becomes apparent that the Raptors won't survive in Toronto, and I'm a fan of Canada, I would love to see it work.

nordique
07-01-2004, 10:57 PM
I wonder where he'll go, and what the return would be. The Iverson for Carter rumors may resurface, and that wouldn't be too bad for the Raps. If Kobe leaves, which is doubtful IMO, the Lakers may want to bring him in. I could also see the Mavs looking at him, as Nash is gone(Finley might be able to go point).

As a Mavs fan, I'm very disappointed in Cuban that he wouldn't sign Nash for that deal. It's alot of money, but the Mavs won't be nearly as effective with him gone. Kobe signing there would kill Shaq talks, but it'd more than replace Nash.

The Mavs can't sign Kobe, not nearly enough cap room. As with Shaq it would have to be a sign and trade. I doubt very much the Lakers would agree to do that. Shaq, fine, they'd get his deal off the books and he wants out anyway. But they're not giving Kobe to the Mavericks.

Would you give up Nowitzki to get Kobe? Suddenly you've got Kobe and Finley as your two best players playing the same position.

Kobe's not leaving the Lakers. No chance. The Suns can't afford him anymore, San Antonio wouldn't be "his team" and it's not flashy enough, and the Clippers are the Clippers.

leafaholix*
07-01-2004, 11:21 PM
Iverson is not getting traded anytime soon, espically not for Vince Carter. The 76ers drafted Iguodala because he fits the type of player Allen Iverson needs to be successful.

I would bet Vince Carter end up in New York


I would bet Operation Expand to Canada will cease once it becomes apparent that the Raptors won't survive in Toronto, and I'm a fan of Canada, I would love to see it work.
Basketball operations won't be the result of the Raptors moving.

The ACC is packed every game and the Raptors are doing really good financially.

The only reason we're in the basement is because of bad player management, and I have yet to see a team move from the city because they've been a mediocre team on the court for 2 or 3 years.

TVanek26*
07-01-2004, 11:50 PM
Vince to the Knicks?No way,they've gutted almost all valuable assets in the Marbury deal,unless Toronto would deal Carter for some picks.

leafaholix*
07-02-2004, 12:14 AM
Vince to the Knicks?No way,they've gutted almost all valuable assets in the Marbury deal,unless Toronto would deal Carter for some picks.
I'd prefer moving Carter for maybe a young player and a couple draft picks.

Preferably to a crappy team.

ehc73
07-02-2004, 01:57 AM
Odd. I guess Mark Cuban changed his tune. Before he labelled Nowitzki, Finley and Nash as his untouchables and the most important parts to his team.

Snugglepuss
07-02-2004, 02:35 AM
I would bet Operation Expand to Canada will cease once it becomes apparent that the Raptors won't survive in Toronto, and I'm a fan of Canada, I would love to see it work.

What the heck are you talking about?

The Toronto Raptors who are consistently in the top 10 in league attendance? The same Toronto Raptors with owners who actually spend money?

Or do you mean if Vince was traded? :dunno:

edmontonoilers89
07-02-2004, 04:21 AM
Odd. I guess Mark Cuban changed his tune. Before he labelled Nowitzki, Finley and Nash as his untouchables and the most important parts to his team.

Well you can't really be untouchable if you're a free agent. I was very surprised by this signing, or soon to be signing. I know the Suns are the team he was drafted by but Dallas had a great core that could have won a championship.

Edler Von Gud
07-02-2004, 04:25 AM
Well you can't really be untouchable if you're a free agent. I was very surprised by this signing, or soon to be signing. I know the Suns are the team he was drafted by but Dallas had a great core that could have won a championship.

Nash was willing to sign for the same amount in Dallas, but Cuban refused because Dairy Queen wasn't paying him enough.

Porn*
07-02-2004, 08:16 AM
I'd love to see marion for Vince worst case scenario... i'd love to keep vince, but marion brings so much more to for the team.

GKJ
07-02-2004, 08:40 AM
What the heck are you talking about?

The Toronto Raptors who are consistently in the top 10 in league attendance? The same Toronto Raptors with owners who actually spend money?

Or do you mean if Vince was traded? :dunno:


I'm talking if Vince was traded. He's the star attraction, and to be frank, he is the only attraction because everyone else on the team is rubbish. I'm well aware they're doing good now, but unless what tey get for Carter will give the people in Toronto something to see (perferably a winner) then it's all downhill from here...

ehc73
07-02-2004, 04:53 PM
Well you can't really be untouchable if you're a free agent. I was very surprised by this signing, or soon to be signing. I know the Suns are the team he was drafted by but Dallas had a great core that could have won a championship.

Apparently it was about the length of contract more than anything else. Dallas was only offering short term, while Phoenix offered 6 years. Possibly Nash also felt kind of snubbed by the fact Finely and Nowitzki got contract extensions and he wasn't even offered one.

leafaholix*
07-03-2004, 02:47 AM
I'm talking if Vince was traded. He's the star attraction, and to be frank, he is the only attraction because everyone else on the team is rubbish. I'm well aware they're doing good now, but unless what tey get for Carter will give the people in Toronto something to see (perferably a winner) then it's all downhill from here...
Chris Bosh is far from rubbish.

He's the future star of this team.

Gibsons Finest
07-05-2004, 01:51 AM
Apparently it was about the length of contract more than anything else. Dallas was only offering short term, while Phoenix offered 6 years. Possibly Nash also felt kind of snubbed by the fact Finely and Nowitzki got contract extensions and he wasn't even offered one.

Oh yeah. The Suns gave Nash 5 and an option for 6, while Cuban wouldn't give him more than 4. Nash was well worth the money, and you can't blame Nash for taking a lesser deal just so he can stay in big D. Cuban deserves all of the blame if Dallas sucks next year. Signing Marquis Daniels to a huge contract won't likely help in any way, Mark.

TVanek26*
07-05-2004, 02:19 AM
Chris Bosh is far from rubbish.

He's the future star of this team.



Chris Bosh is not going to become a superstar....Carter is.I doubt people are going t buy Raptor tickets to go see Bosh play...they do when Carter does (when he isn't hurt)

leafaholix*
07-05-2004, 04:58 AM
Chris Bosh is not going to become a superstar....Carter is.I doubt people are going t buy Raptor tickets to go see Bosh play...they do when Carter does (when he isn't hurt)
Couple things..

Chris Bosh is already the most popular player in Toronto. Vince Carter was at one time, but after his constant injuries and antics on the court with the squirming (word?) around like he's been shot, people have been getting sick of him. He's also lost the dunking ability he displayed a few years ago at the all-star game. I have no idea why people outside of Toronto keep nominating him for the NBA all-star game... I think it's because they believe they're going to see those spectacular dunks, but they're sooooo wrong. He's said before "I can't dunk as I once used to"... and that's very true. Carter is still a star in the league, but he's no longer a superstar... though he does show flashes of it some nights.

Chris Bosh has the potential to be up there with the likes of Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. He's been compared many times to either Duncan or Garnett. He put up similar numbers to KG's rookie season...

Age: 19 (19)
Games: 75 (80)
Minutes: 33.5 (28.7)
FG%: 45.9% (49.1%)
3P%: 35.7% (28.6%)
Blocks: 106 (131)
RPG: 7.4 (6.3)
PPG: 11.5 (10.4)

Garnett's numbers are in brackets.

Is he going to be as good as KG? I don't know.

But Chris Bosh has the game to become superstar in the NBA.

Sanderson
07-05-2004, 05:23 AM
If you have some time on your hands, your can read what Mark Cuban has to say about this: http://www.blogmaverick.com/

Evilo
07-05-2004, 06:52 AM
Bosh will never be Garnett. Not even close. You compare the rookie season of KG, though he was a high schooler.

leafaholix*
07-05-2004, 08:18 AM
Bosh will never be Garnett. Not even close. You compare the rookie season of KG, though he was a high schooler.
Garnett was 2 months younger than Bosh when their rookie seasons started.

But you're right, Bosh will never be KG... but he will be a star in the NBA in the mould of a Kevin Garnett.