What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

So, you want a top 5 pick while giving up nothing of value ? Or quantity of ok-good players /picks ?

No... Need high pick, quality prospects, or key players... You don't get something for nothing.

Thanks for giving the most blatant example of a lot of my junk for your key assets proposal.

/thread

Cowen + 35th overall might take you into top five.

Jason Spezza and Jared Cowen+ are the only way you will realistically get into the top-5.

EDIT: How could I forget Karlsson? LOL.

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

No Cowen or Rundblad? Spezza and Karlsson presumably off-limits? Would you trade the sixth pick without getting Hall/Eberle/MPS/Hemsky in return?

Another trash-for-treasure proposal.

:facepalm:

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

We won't talk about Edmonton, Colorado, and Florida as they won't be trading their picks. New Jersey's top needs are a PMD and a top 6 center. The only two defense-men that would fill this would be Karlsson or maybe Rundblad. The only legitimate center would be Spezza and he is not getting traded. This means that New Jersey is out of the question as none of their needs would be filled.
Moving on to the Islanders, they also need defense and centers.

You simply can't get a top 5 pick and not give anything back in return of similar quality, it is just illogical.

Cowen + 35th overall might take you into top five.

Thanks for making a fair proposal. Even though I listed Cowen as being off limit, I do realize that we could probably afford to let one of our highly prized D prospect go if it helps beef up our top 6 forward positions.

I would probably do that trade. Glad to see some people can actually see the valuable pieces we do have to offer.

Two 6ths should get it done.

#21, #35, Lehner, Riegan

Jason Spezza and Jared Cowen+ are the only way you will realistically get into the top-5.

EDIT: How could I forget Karlsson? LOL.

are you on crack...

EDIT: How could I forget Karlsson? LOL.

You were probably in the defensive end.

No Cowen or Rundblad? Spezza and Karlsson presumably off-limits? Would you trade the sixth pick without getting Hall/Eberle/MPS/Hemsky in return?

Another trash-for-treasure proposal.

If you have the assets to offer me another 1st round pick, three 3rd round picks and perhaps a couple of farm team leading scorers, I'll definitely listen. Now if you do have all these assets, then make your offer for our 6th pick... I'll listen before calling your assets trash.

So, you want a top 5 pick while giving up nothing of value ? Or quantity of ok-good players /picks ?

yeah that was my reaction

the OP wants to trade late round picks for a top 5 pick

#21, #35, Lehner, Riegan

I'd do that trade. :)

I'd do that trade. :)

Not after the beast of a playoffs Lehner's just had. A 5th overall pick is nice, but not worth giving up that many assets for.

OTT 1st in 2012 + Wiercoch (sp?) could get it done, if a team is willing to bet on the Sens sucking next year

OTT 1st in 2012 + Wiercoch (sp?) could get it done, if a team is willing to bet on the Sens sucking next year

Considering it's likely, and next years draft is looking really good, I wouldn't do that.

We won't talk about Edmonton, Colorado, and Florida as they won't be trading their picks.

Never write off the Panthers trading away a lottery pick. :sarcasm:

You were probably in the defensive end.

:laugh::laugh:

Considering it's likely, and next years draft is looking really good, I wouldn't do that.

for good reason. The Sens are definitely trending to a re-build, and the 2012 draft looks really good. it would be more wise to keep what the Sens have and let things play themselves out. but the OP wanted a top 5 pick this year for nothing on the roster or Ottawa's top prospects, so thats the only way i could see it getting done

Not after the beast of a playoffs Lehner's just had. A 5th overall pick is nice, but not worth giving up that many assets for.

Given that Anderson is signed long term, I think Lehner is expandable if it helps fill holes immediately in our top 6.

Given that Anderson is signed long term, I think Lehner is expandable if it helps fill holes immediately in our top 6.

Anderson is signed for 4 years. It's obvious that management plans on Lehner replacing him. One/Two years as the starter for Bingo, 1 year as the backup and then full time starter by the 4th year.

Thanks for making a fair proposal. Even though I listed Cowen as being off limit, I do realize that we could probably afford to let one of our highly prized D prospect go if it helps beef up our top 6 forward positions.

I would probably do that trade. Glad to see some people can actually see the valuable pieces we do have to offer.

You specifically said the 6th pick, blue-chip prospects such as Cowen and Rundblad, and key roster players were off-limits.

No high pick, not quality NHLer, and no blue chip prosepct. You're wondering why people are having trouble seeing valuable pieces available?

If you have the assets to offer me another 1st round pick, three 3rd round picks and perhaps a couple of farm team leading scorers, I'll definitely listen. Now if you do have all these assets, then make your offer for our 6th pick... I'll listen before calling your assets trash.
With the #5 pick, you can be pretty sure of grabbing a prospect with significant upside and (relatively) little risk at a position of your choice, who will most likely end up your team's best prospect at some point with a very good shot at being a "key" roster player sometime beyond that.

You then promptly go on to list your team's top two prospects, all your "key" roster players, and the only pick you have where a team is likely to nab an equivalent prospect to the one they are giving up as being off limits.

Do you see why no team would do this?

If you have the assets to offer me another 1st round pick, three 3rd round picks and perhaps a couple of farm team leading scorers, I'll definitely listen. Now if you do have all these assets, then make your offer for our 6th pick... I'll listen before calling your assets trash.

It was an honest answer by him. You listed everything of value that is needed to get into the top 5. Rundbland was traded to Ottawa last year for the 17th overall pick, that should say something about what it would take to get up that high. Especially when every team in the top 5 has a glaring need that could be filled

As a Devils fan something could be done around Karlsson for the 4th overall pick++, but that wouldn't be a very wise move from an Ottawa standpoint. Just doesn't make much sense to give up that amount it would take to move into the top 5.

If you have the assets to offer me another 1st round pick, three 3rd round picks and perhaps a couple of farm team leading scorers, I'll definitely listen. Now if you do have all these assets, then make your offer for our 6th pick... I'll listen before calling your assets trash.

Burke will give you two 1sts, two 3rds, Mike Zigomanis, Fabian Brunnstrom, and Alex Foster.

:sarcasm:

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It was an honest answer by him. You listed everything of value that is needed to get into the top 5. Rundbland was traded to Ottawa last year for the 17th overall pick, that should say something about what it would take to get up that high. Especially when every team in the top 5 has a glaring need that could be filled

As a Devils fan something could be done around Karlsson for the 4th overall pick++, but that wouldn't be a very wise move from an Ottawa standpoint. Just doesn't make much sense to give up that amount it would take to move into the top 5.

To be fair, that was before his monstrous season this year where his potential seemed much lower.

OTT 1st in 2012 + Wiercoch (sp?) could get it done, if a team is willing to bet on the Sens sucking next year

Considering it's likely, and next years draft is looking really good, I wouldn't do that.

I would make the trade. I know I'd be getting a top 5 pick... We can assume next year we will suck and draft in the top 5 again but I'd prefer to let another team gamble on it.

To be fair, that was before his monstrous season this year where his potential seemed much lower.

I understand that, but it just shows what kind of prospect it would take to get into the top 5. Very few prospects can be traded for a pick that high, I'm not even sure Rundbland alone would get it done either.

It is fair to say Cowen, Rundblad, Karlsson, Lehner and Spezza are not going to get offered in a trade for a 4-5th. All I would seriously consider to be worth more.

6th and 35th might get 4th. It really depends on who has who where in their draft lists.

21st, Silverberg or Wiercioch + a 48th might get a 4th 5th, but is has to be a team that needs depth.

It is fair to say Cowen, Rundblad, Karlsson, Lehner and Spezza are not going to get offered in a trade for a 4-5th. All I would seriously consider to be worth more.

6th and 35th might get 4th. It really depends on who has who where in their draft lists.

21st, Silverberg or Wiercioch + a 48th might get a 4th 5th, but is has to be a team that needs depth.

The highest that may get you would be Columbus at 8.

That combo of picks (the ones listed in the 1st post) would only get you to #9 or #10 from a draft value chart point of view.

New thread plan:

Toronto wants to trade into the top 5 but the only assets we are willing to include are 4th round or higher draft picks and mike komisarek. What does it take to get a deal done?

New thread plan:

Toronto wants to trade into the top 5 but the only assets we are willing to include are 4th round or higher draft picks and mike komisarek. What does it take to get a deal done?

Brian Burke's twin. :sarcasm:

21st, Silverberg or Wiercioch + a 48th might get a 4th 5th, but is has to be a team that needs depth.

I don't see 1 team in the top 5, choosing quantity over quality.

Both the Oilers and Avs are early in their rebuilds,getting their cornerstone players in place.

FL-I read a post that Fl has a lot of extra picks going into this draft.

NJ-Devil fans point out that NJ hasn't picked this high in yrs and is unlikely to move their pick.

NYI-have used the last 3 drafts to restock their prospect pool.They have a ton of prospects.

#21, #35, Lehner, Riegan

Well we sure as hell aren't going to do that now.

It can't be done.

The only thing near to this is the Fedotenko for Pitkanen deal - which was 4th overall for Fedotenko, 34th and 52nd (both 2nd round picks are out of the league).

Now, most on this site at the time will tell you they thought Feaster was nuts and had been suckered. He got a pass because of Fedotenko's contribution to their cup run. So while you could argue building around a roster player and two 2nds, you have to acknowledge that Fedotenko at the time was a rare type of player - he was a gritty player with 30 goal potential, power-forward lite if you will. Everyone was obsessed with power-forwards back in 2002 and HFBoards was awash with Isbister trade proposals!

My view is that it was a particularly unique circumstance, a player with a perceived rare skillset was packaged with the two 2nds to get a top 5 pick. I don't see who Ottawa offers that has the value to be packaged with the NSH 1st and one of their 2nds.

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

So let me rephrase your proposal:

Would there be any teams willing to trade their top 5 pick to the Ottawa Senators while receiving no significant assets in return?

Sorry man, not gonna happen unless your team is willing to give something very valuable in return. You cant just package scraps for a lottery pick

So let me rephrase your proposal:

Would there be any teams willing to trade their top 5 pick to the Ottawa Senators while receiving no significant assets in return?

Sorry man, not gonna happen unless your team is willing to give something very valuable in return. You cant just package scraps for a lottery pick

Thanks for the repeat, however a few have already shown some creativity by putting together proposals that could actually work out.

Rundblad. Or Karlsson.

If all those assets are off the table, I'm sorry there's no deal happening. If you want top 5 value, you have to give up something of value ie: all of the players/prospects/picks you said were off limits.

Thanks for the repeat, however a few have already shown some creativity by putting together proposals that could actually work out.

I haven't seen any proposals here that would realistically be accepted.

Packaging scrap picks and middling prospect types won't get you into the top 5*
No team will trade you a top 5 for next years 1st Rd Pick (unless you also include a boatload of prospects)*

The bottom 5 teams this year (like in many years) are teams that need the attendance boost from a high pick. Wiercioch isn't the kind of sexy name to be thrown into the deal to make it happen...

*= This statement is void if Mike Milbury becomes a GM again, thereby giving your team the ability to fleece him any which way you want.

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?


your a goof kid

It can't be done.

The only thing near to this is the Fedotenko for Pitkanen deal - which was 4th overall for Fedotenko, 34th and 52nd (both 2nd round picks are out of the league).

Now, most on this site at the time will tell you they thought Feaster was nuts and had been suckered. He got a pass because of Fedotenko's contribution to their cup run. So while you could argue building around a roster player and two 2nds, you have to acknowledge that Fedotenko at the time was a rare type of player - he was a gritty player with 30 goal potential, power-forward lite if you will. Everyone was obsessed with power-forwards back in 2002 and HFBoards was awash with Isbister trade proposals!

My view is that it was a particularly unique circumstance, a player with a perceived rare skillset was packaged with the two 2nds to get a top 5 pick. I don't see who Ottawa offers that has the value to be packaged with the NSH 1st and one of their 2nds.

Wasn't that trade also about money? I thought that was before the bonuses on rookie deals were capped, and TB didn't want to spend what it would cost to sign Pitkanen? It was a long time ago so I could be wrong.
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In any case, what the OP is proposing is quantity for high quality. This is rare. Teams have so few opportunities to draft impact players that it is tough to pass up for depth. Add in that this draft seems to not be very deep, so the gap between a top-6 pick and number 21 is even more pronounced then some years.

I love threads like these "we want another top 10 pick in the draft but we don't want to give away anything of value"

To NYI:
Weircioch

to OTT:
NYI 1st in 2011
Dipietro

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.
So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

This made my day...........


Please if you find someone who is willing to do this,
tell him we need a 1st line scoring winger.
Our coreplayers and Schenn, Toffoly, Hickey and Forbort are also off limits.

Thank you

Sure the assets are there to make the deal even if you remove what the OP mentioned, but even still, I do not think there is a trade to be made. Columbus at 8 might be on the table as they are trying to help the francise stability NOW, but that means roster players that Ottawa just can't afford to lose anyways.

are you on crack...

Can you please explain? Thx

I'd do that trade. :)

I wouldn't Lehner is one of the best goalie prospects in the league and just won playoff MVP and Calder Cup at 19.

In fairness, Rundblad/Cowen/Karlsson/Spezza are all worth far more than a top 5 pick; particularly in a year when no consensus has emerged.

While I'm inclined to agree that acquiring a second top 6 pick (without dealing our #6) is unlikely, I don't think excluding those players was unreasonable.

I also think if Ottawa wanted to move up to 15thish from 21st, and then deal 15 + Weircioch + 2nd, we could probably get NJ or NYI's attention. I'm just not sure it'd be worth it. Weircioch - with his 6'4 frame and skating ability - still has tremendous upside, and you'd be giving up at least 4 picks (21st, 2 seconds, and a later pick) in those two moves. I'm not convinced - in this draft - that makes any sense.

Rundblad + 35th + low-end prospect should get it done

wiercoch+21+59+3rd round

Forget top five. Let's try and move into the 8 to 12 range. There are some great prospects available there, some of which come by draft highlights.

the draft is rich of talent but not when your looking at franchise future stars. take what they have if something comes up great but no reasons to get rid of prospects or current roster spots. Unless you want to move a kuba of a gonchar cap eating older players that wont work into the years to come. At the same time gonchar is a good mentor for the youth coming up.

gonchar+21+59+3rd round pick

gonchar+21+59+3rd round pick

Yikes

I wouldn't Lehner is one of the best goalie prospects in the league and just won playoff MVP and Calder Cup at 19.

Lehner is actually a prime candidate to move. We have no immediate need at that position while we have a more pressing need on our top 2 lines. Packaging Lehner with our 21st and one or two 2nd rounders could entice one of the teams in the top 5 picks if a goalie is on their radar.

the draft is rich of talent but not when your looking at franchise future stars. take what they have if something comes up great but no reasons to get rid of prospects or current roster spots. Unless you want to move a kuba of a gonchar cap eating older players that wont work into the years to come. At the same time gonchar is a good mentor for the youth coming up.

Kuba and Gonchar are not key players... I'd have no hesitation in bundling them in a package.

There just isn't any realistic way to make the OP work. We are more or less saying only the bolded parts below are available for this deal.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Bobby Butler ($0.900m)
Nick Foligno ($1.200m) / Peter Regin ($1.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Roman Wick ($0.740m) / Jesse Winchester ($0.750m) / Erik Condra ($0.800m)
Mike Hoffman ($0.676m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.325m) / Andre Petersson ($0.730m)
/ Jim O'Brien ($0.816m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($1.295m) / Erik Karlsson ($1.300m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / David Rundblad ($1.500m)
Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Brian Lee ($0.875m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.875m)
Eric Gryba ($0.622m) / Filip Kuba ($3.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.900m)

To be more realistic (and against the thread title), add the 6th pick to the bolded assets and see how far up we could move. Probably not far.

So quick question for Sens fans: if Columbus or Edmonton wanted to acquire #6 without trading their own lottery pick, what would it cost them?

There just isn't any realistic way to make the OP work. We are more or less saying only the bolded parts below are available for this deal.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Bobby Butler ($0.900m)
Nick Foligno ($1.200m) / Peter Regin ($1.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Roman Wick ($0.740m) / Jesse Winchester ($0.750m) / Erik Condra ($0.800m)
Mike Hoffman ($0.676m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.325m) / Andre Petersson ($0.730m)
/ Jim O'Brien ($0.816m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($1.295m) / Erik Karlsson ($1.300m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / David Rundblad ($1.500m)
Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Brian Lee ($0.875m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.875m)
Eric Gryba ($0.622m) / Filip Kuba ($3.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.900m)

To be more realistic (and against the thread title), add the 6th pick to the bolded assets and see how far up we could move. Probably not far.

I went further than you in listing what I think is available. I didn't include Cowen and Rundblad but under the right terms, one of the two could be included in a deal.

So quick question for Sens fans: if Columbus or Edmonton wanted to acquire #6 without trading their own lottery pick, what would it cost them?

I'll be honest and tell you upfront that I don't know what assets any of those two teams have that we could use but make an offer and if I think it can help us immediately or in this year's draft (or next year), then it will be seriously considered.

So quick question for Sens fans: if Columbus or Edmonton wanted to acquire #6 without trading their own lottery pick, what would it cost them?

It's based on team needs and situation. NJ for example would be easier to acquire than NYI, but NJ drafts 4th and NYI 5th.

There just isn't any realistic way to make the OP work. We are more or less saying only the bolded parts below are available for this deal.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Bobby Butler ($0.900m)
Nick Foligno ($1.200m) / Peter Regin ($1.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Roman Wick ($0.740m) / Jesse Winchester ($0.750m) / Erik Condra ($0.800m)
Mike Hoffman ($0.676m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.325m) / Andre Petersson ($0.730m)
/ Jim O'Brien ($0.816m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($1.295m) / Erik Karlsson ($1.300m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / David Rundblad ($1.500m)
Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Brian Lee ($0.875m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.875m)
Eric Gryba ($0.622m) / Filip Kuba ($3.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.900m)

To be more realistic (and against the thread title), add the 6th pick to the bolded assets and see how far up we could move. Probably not far.

Good post. This trade isn't feasible, and frankly, I don't even want to trade for a top 5 pick anyway (unless we got a fantastic deal).

/thread imo

To NYI:
Weircioch

to OTT:
NYI 1st in 2011
Dipietro

No thanks.

It'll be a shame if DiPietro is forced to retire because of the injuries/surgeries,but that is what insurance is for.

Lehner is actually a prime candidate to move. We have no immediate need at that position while we have a more pressing need on our top 2 lines. Packaging Lehner with our 21st and one or two 2nd rounders could entice one of the teams in the top 5 picks if a goalie is on their radar.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Here we have a prospect that has just accomplished a magnificent feat at the age of 19 and is looking like something this franchise has never had(A star goalie prospect) and you want to get rid of him for a top 5 pick that hasn't even proven in pro level hockey?(Something Lehner has already done)

Lehner is actually a prime candidate to move. We have no immediate need at that position while we have a more pressing need on our top 2 lines. Packaging Lehner with our 21st and one or two 2nd rounders could entice one of the teams in the top 5 picks if a goalie is on their radar.

Kuba and Gonchar are not key players... I'd have no hesitation in bundling them in a package.

Trading Lehner would be foolish.

maybe someone wants to gamble on your 2012 1st plus something big this year.

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

I always wondered what happened to Corky when "Life Goes On" got cancelled.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Here we have a prospect that has just accomplished a magnificent feat at the age of 19 and is looking like something this franchise has never had(A star goalie prospect) and you want to get rid of him for a top 5 pick that hasn't even proven in pro level hockey?(Something Lehner has already done)

With all due respect, Lehner is as much as a gamble as any of the top 5 picks in this year's draft. He hasn't proven anything in the big league... not sure where you're getting that idea. He's a top prospect just like any of the top 5.

I'm just not prepared to wait 3-4 years to see him have an impact on our team when we need immediate help on our top 2 lines. In a perfect world, I'd keep him but truth is, he's a coveted piece that can help us now... just not by stopping pucks.

You're gonna hate me for saying this but wait till next year, if Cowen and Rundblad pan out and Karlsson repeats the year he had, I'll be the first to offer Karlsson in a trade. Here's hoping that Rundblad is all that Karlsson is offensively but with some defensive abilities.

Lehner is actually a prime candidate to move. We have no immediate need at that position while we have a more pressing need on our top 2 lines. Packaging Lehner with our 21st and one or two 2nd rounders could entice one of the teams in the top 5 picks if a goalie is on their radar.

:help: Over their 18 year history, the Ottawa Senators have had just about the worst goaltending of any team over that same period. Anderson's 18 games didn't change anything. 18 more games could see us begging have him sent down to the AHL.

Until a Sens goalie starts winning Vezina's like Hasek or Plante, goaltending is always an immediate need in Ottawa.

Or to put it in a more likely and reasonable perspective; until former Sens starting goalies stop signing Atlant Mytischi and can actually perform as a legit #1 goalie on a real NHL team...

:help: Over their 18 year history, the Ottawa Senators have had just about the worst goaltending of any team over that same period. Anderson's 18 games didn't change anything. 18 more games could see us begging have him sent down to the AHL.

Until a Sens goalie starts winning Vezina's like Hasek or Plante, goaltending is always an immediate need in Ottawa.

Or to put it in a more likely and reasonable perspective; until former Sens starting goalies stop signing Atlant Mytischi and can actually perform as a legit #1 goalie on a real NHL team...

While I totally agree with the first part of your comment, Anderson is now signed for the next 4 years and so you can be sure no rookie will dethrone him for the #1 goalie job or Murray is out of a job. I didn't like his signing but we have to move forward now that it's a done deal.

Now your second statement is a bit ludicrous. There can only be one Vezina winner every year... does that mean all 29 other teams suddenly have an immediate need for a goalie? I do understand the point you're making but we've addressed the goaltending issue (so we hope) and so we have to move on to the next weakness.

Having addressed the goaltending and with an abundance of young top prospects on defense, it's clear where we need to focus now. While every team would like to be overstacked at all positions and assure themselves of a constant replenishment of talent whenever it's needed, that's not realistic. We're stacked on defense and on draft picks. We have to use them to accelerate our rebuilding which will only occur if we find talent upfront.

This thread started bad enough, but it really hit the bottom at the "no Lehner for a top5 pick" part.

Erik Karlsson for New Jersey's #4 pick!

While I totally agree with the first part of your comment, Anderson is now signed for the next 4 years and so you can be sure no rookie will dethrone him for the #1 goalie job or Murray is out of a job. I didn't like his signing but we have to move forward now that it's a done deal.

Now your second statement is a bit ludicrous. There can only be one Vezina winner every year... does that mean all 29 other teams suddenly have an immediate need for a goalie? I do understand the point you're making but we've addressed the goaltending issue (so we hope) and so we have to move on to the next weakness.

Having addressed the goaltending and with an abundance of young top prospects on defense, it's clear where we need to focus now. While every team would like to be overstacked at all positions and assure themselves of a constant replenishment of talent whenever it's needed, that's not realistic. We're stacked on defense and on draft picks. We have to use them to accelerate our rebuilding which will only occur if we find talent upfront.

Sign Gerber, trade Emery...
- Emery never saves the team during the first half of that season.
- Team doesn't make the playoffs, let alone the extremely exciting Finals run.
- Team declines quicker (unnecessarily) in front of life-sucking, choke demon Gerber over 3 years.

Anderson and Lehner as the only two goalies in the entire organization doesn't make it stacked. Not even close. Nor or their tenures with the team likely to butt heads all that much.

This thread started bad enough, but it really hit the bottom at the "no Lehner for a top5 pick" part.

Do you mean the Lehner AND the 21st overall pick AND a 2nd rounder AND possibly another 2nd rounder for the 5th overall pick in a draft with no elite talents? ... Do you mean the people complaining about that offer? :dunno:

What would it take for OTT to acquire one of the top 5 picks in this year's draft? The goal is to do so without losing key players on the current roster and keeping our #6 draft pick. Blue chip prospects Cowen and Rundblad are also off limit.

So what's left you say? Well most of our current roster, most of the Binghamton Senators and the following draft picks:

- Pick #21 (1st round)
- Pick #35 (2nd round)
- Pick #48 (2nd round)
- Pick #59 (2nd round)
- Pick #65 (3rd round)

I think there's a pool of promising prospects and an abundance of picks to perhaps entice a team to trade away their top 5 pick to us... is there enough worthy assets here to get a deal done?

With the limitations you put....NO

Anderson and Lehner as the only two goalies in the entire organization doesn't make it stacked. Not even close. Nor or their tenures with the team likely to butt heads all that much.

I never said we were stacked at the goaltending position... I said it had hopefully been addressed.

Whether Lehner and Anderson butt heads is not the point. It's the only position where a team can be successful with just one good goaltender. While it would be nice to keep Lehner on the shelf until his services are required, I'd prefer to use him to get some offensive threat if the opportunity is there.

Trading Spezza or Karlsson would be the only way. So it won't happen unless the sens decide to really blow it up and trade Spezza for a package that includes one of the top five picks.

Jesus.....