Winston Wolf
07-30-2004, 10:35 PM
Looks like Mike's comeback isn't going as planned.
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Tyson Knocked Out in Fourth Round!Winston Wolf 07-30-2004, 10:35 PM Looks like Mike's comeback isn't going as planned. :banana: PredsFan77* 07-30-2004, 10:41 PM First lost when he wasn't in a title fight. Fish on The Sand 07-30-2004, 10:42 PM looks like his career is officially over TVanek26* 07-30-2004, 10:43 PM Well,Iron Mike is down and out for good IMO.I win 30 bucks now though :) Hossa 07-30-2004, 10:44 PM looks like his career is officially over He owes creditors like 40 million. He'll keep fighting until he can get that off. This from a man who once had 300 million of his own. Fish on The Sand 07-30-2004, 10:45 PM He owes creditors like 40 million. He'll keep fighting until he can get that off. This from a man who once had 300 million of his own. well, i dont think he is in for anymore big paydays. Winston Wolf 07-30-2004, 10:49 PM Glad that this bum lost everything and had to move. His house (used to be his house) is a two minute drive from mine. Hossa 07-30-2004, 10:50 PM well, i dont think he is in for anymore big paydays. Oh, he will. The Score's Steve Kouleas put it best..."he's like the car crash nobody wants to look at, but can't help but glance at"...people will keep paying to see him, even if he is humiliating himself. The Guy on the Couch* 07-30-2004, 10:57 PM I feel bad for Mike. :( Shappa 07-30-2004, 11:00 PM The score had his line at a -4500 to win this fight at one point this week. Ask someone who doesn't follow boxing at all, who was this guy that Tyson was fighting? Was he a legit fighter or was this Corey Sandersesque of Tyson's opponent? The Austrian 07-30-2004, 11:03 PM how nice ... :) Winston Wolf 07-30-2004, 11:05 PM I feel bad for Mike. :( How in the hell can you feel bad for Mike ****ing Tyson? PredsFan77* 07-30-2004, 11:27 PM How in the hell can you feel bad for Mike ****ing Tyson? Because people used him for their advantage...Don King stole all kinds of money from him, etc. etc. Takeo 07-30-2004, 11:33 PM The pathetic part is that he can lose 4 in a row, but I'll still buy the next ppv. Hossa 07-30-2004, 11:39 PM The pathetic part is that he can lose 4 in a row, but I'll still buy the next ppv. My point exactly. He's an entertainer, win or lose. He'll keep making money as long as his eggs aren't completely fried. kov 07-31-2004, 12:26 AM He owes creditors like 40 million. He'll keep fighting until he can get that off. It seems kind of pointless, considering that as soon as he gets out of debt he'll just run himself back into debt again. mmbt 07-31-2004, 12:33 AM Because people used him for their advantage...Don King stole all kinds of money from him, etc. etc. Yeah, when I heard him say a little while back something like, "I'm just an animal, I haven't got any feelings, right?" I couldn't help but feel bad for the guy. Did he ever once along the way encounter ONE person who looked out for his interests? No. The Guy on the Couch* 07-31-2004, 01:09 AM How in the hell can you feel bad for Mike ****ing Tyson? Because he's a nice guy who's been taken advantage of, and now is in $40 mill in debt and now he has to embarass himself in front of national TV to get out. Fleury14 07-31-2004, 02:04 AM Whew, I'm glad I didn't bet on that one. JCD 07-31-2004, 07:46 AM I think Mike Tyson is a sad story as well. He was a definitive feel-good story early in his career when he was on the way up. He was downright likable. Tyson had people around him that actually looked out for him, not themselves. Then Don King took him under his wing. He stopped being a boxer and started being a brawler. To make the pre-fights more entertaining, Don King took him off the medication that was controlling his bipolar disorder. Tyson was surrounded by people trying to exploit him. That is why it is sad. Don King took this great young boxer and turned him into a sideshow. He even took advantage of his mental illness to make a dime. When everything was said and done, Tyson was a felon, completely mentally unstable, had nobody to guide him (he was a punk kid of the streets making millions) and prodded by the very people that should have been protecting him to do the wrong things. That is a sad story to me. GKJ 07-31-2004, 07:52 AM well, i dont think he is in for anymore big paydays. Doesn't matter about paydays, he just needs to be paid. He'll fight you and me if he's getting paid to do it. MacDaddy TLC* 07-31-2004, 11:02 AM How in the hell can you feel bad for Mike ****ing Tyson? We will one day hear that he has killed himself.... Coppo 08-02-2004, 02:37 AM I won money on Danny Williams!!! :banana: , Danny Williams is no mug,he was british,commonwealth and european champ at 1 point. He has had some problems in his life and was never quite focused, thats why he has lost a couple of fights to people he shouldnt have. But he is a big guy,with big power and all he had to do was get throught the 1st two rounds and Tyson would tire. Williams also once knocked an opponent out with his weaker left arm,cause he could not use his right as he had dislocated his shoulder. It was incredible he has lots of guts and power,he just hasnt got the right focus. He has all the potential its just you never know which Danny Williams will turn up for the fight! Douggy 08-02-2004, 08:17 AM People can say what they want about Tyson being exploited and what not, but he is still a convicted Rapist. (albeit, he has done his time) gretzky1545 08-02-2004, 09:10 AM yeah, many people have done Mike Tyson wrong, but Mike Tyson did himself wrong many more times than anyone else. At some point you must take responsibility for your own life, and despite his chances to turn his life around, despite everyone saying that the people around him were bad, he continued with his bad choices. I feel sorry for him on some levels, but he has had his chances, and hasn't done what it took to take advantage of them, and for that, only he is to blame. The Flash 08-02-2004, 10:21 AM yeah, many people have done Mike Tyson wrong, but Mike Tyson did himself wrong many more times than anyone else. At some point you must take responsibility for your own life, and despite his chances to turn his life around, despite everyone saying that the people around him were bad, he continued with his bad choices. I feel sorry for him on some levels, but he has had his chances, and hasn't done what it took to take advantage of them, and for that, only he is to blame. Obviously you have no experience or knowledge of mental disorders. King used and abused Tyson. Mike Tyson was basically a wild animal that they got all raged up prior to the cameras being turned on. Just look at what happened to Oliver McCall in his rematch of Lennox Lewis. The guy started crying in the ring. He was going thru withdrawal of drug use. (I think that was it) ... The Promoters are the real ones to blame. Don't think they arent past hiding their boxers medication to get some highlight reels for their upcoming match. These are the guys who should be in jail. Takeo 08-02-2004, 10:34 AM People can say what they want about Tyson being exploited and what not, but he is still a convicted Rapist. (albeit, he has done his time) He was innocent IMO. His representation was a joke. gretzky1545 08-02-2004, 10:58 AM Obviously you have no experience or knowledge of mental disorders. King used and abused Tyson. Mike Tyson was basically a wild animal that they got all raged up prior to the cameras being turned on. Just look at what happened to Oliver McCall in his rematch of Lennox Lewis. The guy started crying in the ring. He was going thru withdrawal of drug use. (I think that was it) ... The Promoters are the real ones to blame. Don't think they arent past hiding their boxers medication to get some highlight reels for their upcoming match. These are the guys who should be in jail. Thank you for your disdain for my opinion. Just so you know, I think boxing promoters are generally scum, and Don King certainly epitomizes that, but do you think his life would have been better without boxing? He was told time after time that boxing was full of fare weathered friends and horrible business and personal advice, but he continued to go with what was superficially beneficial for him at the time. He has been given more chances than any man could possibly think they deserve, he has certainly had the chances to get help for his mental illness, but he has passed on those options time and time again. I understand his life is not easy, and will never be easy, partially because of the people around him, but he has not made choices that would make me think he knows he has a problem and that it needs to be fixed. When I see Tyson in interviews, he comes across as if he wants to change, but he isn't willing to make any real action towards change. Mental illness isn't a valid excuse for decades of horrible decisions when tons of people are saying that he needs help, and he doesn't go out and get it. Is his life situation completely his fault? no. But does that mean he deserves no credit for where he is, that it was unavoidable, that his mental illness excuses any action he has done or will do. Thats ludicrous, and I'm fairly sure thats not the point you are making, nor was it my point that he was not wronged by many people, and that his life was completely his own fault, but I find it hard for someone who lets their mental illness constantly be detrimental to those around them and those they supposedly care about. He has had this illness for years, and he hasn't changed. When it comes to that, no one but Mike himself can do anything about it, no one can motivate him to change, no one can stop him from changing f he really wanted to, but he just hasnt done it. For that reason, my sympathy for his situation lies solely in the fact that his innate skill happened to be in a sport filled with shoddy people and horrible advice. p.s. my bad on the one long paragraph thing. Shadowtron 08-02-2004, 11:00 AM He was innocent IMO. His representation was a joke. A lot of legal people agree with you. From what I've read anyway. mmbt 08-02-2004, 11:41 AM Just so you know, I think boxing promoters are generally scum, and Don King certainly epitomizes that, but do you think his life would have been better without boxing? Probably not, but that's hardly an excuse for how he's been screwed over. He has been given more chances than any man could possibly think they deserve, he has certainly had the chances to get help for his mental illness, but he has passed on those options time and time again. Not so easy. Mental illness is virtually impossible to deal with without a strong support system in place, which Tyson has not had. He's largely been on his own. When I see Tyson in interviews, he comes across as if he wants to change, but he isn't willing to make any real action towards change. I see a guy who wants to change, but doesn't know how, and no one seems to want to so much as point him in the right direction. gretzky1545 08-02-2004, 02:55 PM He has had millions upon millions of dollars, he could have gotten help then. I do not think that everyone in sports has been leading him astray in life, so much as he has been more likely to hang out with those that will lead him astray. There are many people who have publicly said all along that this guy needs help. Frankly, its not like help is hiding from him, its not like he has it harder than most mentally ill people, odds are he has it easier because being in the public eye would get your more opportunities to be helped(of course the other side to that is that you are also bothered with tons of detrimental advice from people). Despite the illness, I still say he is responsible for his actions, he has done many things to hurt other people. That responsibility lies only with him. E = CH² 08-02-2004, 07:57 PM He has had millions upon millions of dollars, he could have gotten help then. I do not think that everyone in sports has been leading him astray in life, so much as he has been more likely to hang out with those that will lead him astray. There are many people who have publicly said all along that this guy needs help. Frankly, its not like help is hiding from him, its not like he has it harder than most mentally ill people, odds are he has it easier because being in the public eye would get your more opportunities to be helped(of course the other side to that is that you are also bothered with tons of detrimental advice from people). Despite the illness, I still say he is responsible for his actions, he has done many things to hurt other people. That responsibility lies only with him. It's obvious to me you don't know anyone with a serious case of bipolarity. I respectfully suggest you shut up before coming across as completely ignorant and insensitive. JOHNBOY 08-02-2004, 07:59 PM :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: "Tyson Fan" The Guy on the Couch* 08-02-2004, 10:40 PM Anyone ever think of this? Maybe Tyson put all kinds of money on Danny before the fight, and then took a dive? HMMMMMM? | ||