HFBoards - Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/ Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title. en Sun, 19 May 2013 06:20:39 GMT vBulletin 60 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/images/misc/rss.jpg HFBoards - Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/ Proposal: EDM - Buff http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432233&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:19:34 GMT I would rather add Zadorov or Nurse over Pysyk. I wouldn't complain if Monahan dropped to #7 either. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk lakai17 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432233 Other: Why is everyone trying to get rid of Edler? http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430489&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:16:11 GMT I thought it was simple...You have the Wunderkind...Chris Tanev...who will lead you in glory to the Stanley Cup. And don't forget his prodigy, Franky Corrado. With those two....you don't even need to dress 6 D. At least according to Kelly Hrudey, Scott Simpson, and Ron McLean ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk golffuul http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430489 Proposal: Rielly for Edm 1st http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430537&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:15:39 GMT
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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 (Post 66257109)
Edmonton could really use an excellent 2 way center like Ryan IMO, unless you really think Gagner is the guy for any SC run?
You're a Vancouver fan so i'll ask you how wise do you think it would have been for the team to have written off Kesler and Sedin at 23? Gagner history tells us is most likely to end up a wonderful, if not a luxury, player to have centering your 2nd line. Even better is the fact that he can play both wings. I know myself i'm happy with Gagner longterm as our #2, i've followed hockey a long time and players of his accomplishments at his age almost always end up terrific talents in their prime. Even guys like Paajarvi are tracking far ahead of the curve for their age. I don't mean to hijack the thread but people write off Edmonton's young complementy forwards far too easily, most of these guys develop like Vancouver's top 2 centers and not as rapidly as most 1st overalls do.

Last year only Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Stepan, Kadri were both younger and scored more. 4 of them centered their teams 1st line, 3 were considered franchise talents when drafted, and two of them are the biggest stars in the league. Kadri the advanced stats say should come back down to earth a little next year (just as they predicted for Eberle). Stepan had Nash on his wing all year, a big advantage compared to Gagner's linemates, but again he too is a wondeful young center. There's also Couture who scored 1 point less but is nearly a full year older despite being drafted in the same year. Other guys who were close to his age and production as top 90 scorers with less points were Hodgson (a bit younger, on the 1st line), Benn (played less games and had a better ppg, considered a probable franchise talent, 1st line), Seguin (on the wing, 1st line, considered a franchise talent), Ennis (scored less), and Turris (9 points less, 1st line).

It seems to me young Sam Gagner is in terrific company and is the victim of a double standard. People rip on him for his defense, and he could be better there but it's overstated IMO. Think about it, how many of the guys above are currently defensive stalwarts? Not many. All of them short of Duchene played on better teams, and all of them short of Ennis and possibly Kadri in better situations (i'd argue Kadri played in a ideal situation). Gagner also was very effective on the PK this season.

BTW if you are curious last year iirc there were only 8 younger/same age centers with more points (Stamkos, Tavares, P.Kane who played C that year, Benn, Stepan, Hopkins, O'Reilly, Henrique ). 4 of those 8 went 1st overall, Benn is a franchise talent, Henrique had Kovalchuk and Parise for linemates and scored much much less this year, and Stepan had a virtually identicle ppg. Other notables are his draft mate Couture who had more points, but again is older, and Seguin who had more points as well but played wing and is considered a franchise talent and 1st overall caliber player. Again it looks like Gagner is keeping some mighty impressive company.

It's unarguable to anyone playing attention that he's still developing, and it's a fact that he's keeping pace with the non franchise talent top young centers in the game. For a guy who watched the Sedin's and Kesler take their sweet old time to develop i'd have to argue you must have a short memory. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Eskimo44 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430537 Proposal: NYI/VAN (Not Luongo) http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431935&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:14:16 GMT
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Originally Posted by RandV (Post 66273223)
Basically because Vancouver really needs to swap a dman for a forward, and Hamhuis/Garrison/Bieksa all have NTC's. Edler will as well but it hasn't become active yet so Vancouver has a small window in which they can trade him.
We need to add a forward. Trading Edler isn't the only way to do this. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Vankiller Whale http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431935 Rumor: Leafs Interested in Mike Ribeiro http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1379307&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:13:17 GMT ---Quote (Originally by Anth93)--- Do. Not. Want. At. All. ---End Quote--- Why? He would instantly be an upgrade over Bozak thats for damn sure. Ribeiro is filthy at dishing the puck, him and Kessel would light it up. ...
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Originally Posted by Anth93 (Post 66243169)
Do. Not. Want. At. All.
Why? He would instantly be an upgrade over Bozak thats for damn sure. Ribeiro is filthy at dishing the puck, him and Kessel would light it up.

One thing is for sure, we can't go into next season with Bozak being our number 1 guy. I'll be extremely disappointed with the status quo, we need a big upgrade and way more depth at center if we're going to start making some real noise. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Stats01 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1379307 Proposal: Canucks/Wild http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432231&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:05:41 GMT No thanks. Kesler and Koivu are practically equal but Kesler had a better contract this making him more valuable. No reason to add Kesler and Koivu. No thanks. Kesler and
Koivu are practically equal but Kesler had a better contract this making him more valuable. No reason to add Kesler and Koivu. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk King Canuck http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432231 Value of: Loui Eriksson http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1406997&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:05:29 GMT ---Quote (Originally by Vankiller Whale)--- Why are we adding and not Philly? Even most Philly fans would agree Edler has more value than Couturier. ---End Quote--- Switch Eriksson with Benn and re-evaluate.
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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 66272607)
Why are we adding and not Philly? Even most Philly fans would agree Edler has more value than Couturier.
Switch Eriksson with Benn and re-evaluate. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Frozen Failure http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1406997 <![CDATA[Proposal: Bos & stl]]> http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431297&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:04:01 GMT
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Originally Posted by Lord Ahriman (Post 66271297)
And you have no idea what you are talking about. If a trade is necessary, the odd man out would be Peverley. About LTIR, in fact useless during offseason, but don't forget teams can go over the cap by 10%, so, yes, the Bruins are totally fine, so no need to trade Krejci for peanuts. Placing Savard on LTIR and the Bruins would get almost $5M to re-sign Horton.


FORWARDS
Milan Lucic ($6.000m) / David Krejci ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($0.000m)
Brad Marchand ($4.500m) / Patrice Bergeron ($5.000m) / Tyler Seguin ($5.750m)
Carl Soderberg ($1.008m) / Ryan Spooner ($0.870m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m)
Daniel Paille ($1.300m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Shawn Thornton ($1.100m)
Kaspars Daugavins ($0.699m) / Marc Savard ($4.027m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Zdeno Chara ($6.917m) / Johnny Boychuk ($3.367m)
Dennis Seidenberg ($3.250m) / Dougie Hamilton ($1.494m)
Matt Bartkowski ($0.650m) / Adam McQuaid ($1.567m)
Aaron Johnson ($0.650m) /
GOALTENDERS
Tuukka Rask ($5.500m)
Niklas Svedberg ($1.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,498,143; BONUSES: $972,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $774,357
I don't think Horton will be playing for free, but thank you for adding to my point: that roster doesn't even have Peverley on it. If the Bruins move Krejci they turn one of their Top 3 centers into two young, scoring wingers to compliment what they already have without even slightly upsetting their cap situation. Because the Blues' wingers are RFAs, Chiarelli would be able to negotiate his own cap-oriented contracts for long term.

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Originally Posted by IrishPaulie (Post 66271349)
Why would the Bruins trade Krejci before Boychuk, Kelly, Peverley which would open up ~9.5m + the 6.6m in current cap space + 4m LTIR from Savard = 19.5m
Because the Bruins have three centers weighing in at more than $5M and it's starting to put a chokehold on their cap-structure, and no one wants to help Chiarelli solve that cap problem without taking something worth his. Boston fans can be OK with throwing whatever bottom-6 player into the scoring mix but it's poor injury-insurance for an 82 game season, and GMs around the league know that.

Keep in mind, everyone, that while Halak was wowing everyone in the playoffs, the Blues were dialing up Montreal's GM reminding him that they had two RFA goaltenders at the end of the season and they were going to have to move one. They couldn't get Price out of the deal, but they got Halak instead. Watch yourself Bruins fans, you're messing with a viciously-professional organization :sarcasm:

EDIT: Perron isn't a RFA anymore but he's making $3.8M AAV for three more years, and that's not going to rustle anyone's jimmies. Hell, Oshie's only making $4M. How could Boston not be wanting St. Louis's wingers? ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk RiverCityRumble http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431297 Proposal: Toronto - Vancouver - Winnipeg http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431717&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 06:00:52 GMT
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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 66233103)
:leafs

Roberto Luongo
Blake Wheeler
2nd '13 (Jets)
2nd '13 (Canucks)

:jets

James Reimer
Mason Raymond

:nucks

Ondrej Pavelec
Mikhail Grabovski
:facepalm: Please stop posting this kind of senseless crap. It doesn't benefit anyone and it makes you look like a dim-glow (ie. not very bright).

Neither the Leafs nor the Jets would touch this stinking garbage and the reasons SHOULDN'T have to be explained.


Can we PLEASE finally have an end to all of these pointless "Luongo to Toronto" threads? :help:

The Leafs don't want him (and his contract) and they sure as Hell don't need him! ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk EucaLEAFtys http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431717 Value of: Paul Stastny http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1427521&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:58:15 GMT ---Quote (Originally by jarmoismyhero)--- Same here just not sure what Blues would have to give up. ---End Quote--- I think it would really depend on what the Avs do this draft. If they draft Jones. I think the Avs...
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Originally Posted by jarmoismyhero (Post 66272655)
Same here just not sure what Blues would have to give up.
I think it would really depend on what the Avs do this draft.

If they draft Jones. I think the Avs would like to build the deal around an experienced defenseman or a young top 6 forward.

If they draft MacKinnon/Drouin then a top 4 defensemen is a must. I think they would look for a young but proven offensive defensemen.

Blues have a lot of young depth. I think the Blues could offer several good packages to the Avs. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk CB Joe http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1427521 Proposal: Toronto - St Louis http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1429991&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:54:27 GMT
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Originally Posted by PocketNines (Post 66196117)
Let's play spot the lone franchise player in this deal.
According to this thread Kessel is that guy. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk jarmoismyhero http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1429991 Proposal: Tor-col http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430299&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:50:37 GMT ---Quote (Originally by Kb21)--- gardiner :laugh: and they say leaf fans are delusional. ---End Quote--- probably because they are.
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Originally Posted by Kb21 (Post 66272079)
gardiner :laugh:

and they say leaf fans are delusional.
probably because they are. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk CB Joe http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1430299 <![CDATA[Proposal: Edmonton's pick at the draft to MTL]]> http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431981&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:45:15 GMT
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Originally Posted by sansabri (Post 66266049)
that's cool. i personally don't care for Edmonton's pick. especially not for three good players while we get two scrubs back.

hell, i doubt you'd find a handful of Habs fans willing to trade Eller alone for that 7th overall pick.
This. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk CanadienShark http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431981 Proposal: Chi-Fla http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431783&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:31:13 GMT
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Originally Posted by internetdotcom (Post 66253845)
Why would middling prospects and UFA rights entice anyone in Monahan's range to trade that pick? Put yourself in the situation of the teams in that range, and ask yourself would you trade a blue chip prospect like Monahan for UFA rights and mid prospects?

Would you trade a guy like Toews or Kane (who admittedly have some more value than Monahan, but the principle holds) for UFA rights and 'ok' prospects?
If Im in a position to pick Monahan, then no, I don't make this trade. All Im saying is that it doesn't really make sense for the Hawks to trade up unless its that sort of deal. I really don't expect that it I'll happen. ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk zytz http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1431783 Value of: Forbort + King to Edmonton? http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432167&goto=newpost Sun, 19 May 2013 05:30:56 GMT ---Quote (Originally by kingsofLA)--- Eberle Thanks ---End Quote--- :biglaugh:
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Originally Posted by kingsofLA (Post 66266559)
Eberle

Thanks
:biglaugh: ]]> Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk magnoctophas http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1432167