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dcal64 10-08-2011 10:34 AM

Should have kept Pouliot instead of Kostitsyn
 
I am starting to wonder whether it would have been smarter to keep Pouliot instead of Andrei.

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
4. Pouliot speaks french
5. Pouliot can fight

Cons:

I can't think of any since I find their talent level the same, and they are both inconsistent.

bcv 10-08-2011 10:39 AM

No.


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BLONG7 10-08-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcal64 (Post 37617889)
I am starting to wonder whether it would have been smarter to keep Pouliot instead of Andrei.

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
4. Pouliot speaks french
5. Pouliot can fight

Cons:

I can't think of any since I find their talent level the same, and they are both inconsistent.

Akost can skate, and rarely falls down, pouliot not so much...a key to staying in the league...

Way too early to talk along these lines...you can make a case for both players...not sure what the french speaking thing has to do with anything, careful on this board with that stuff...;)

MasterD 10-08-2011 10:47 AM

Short answer: No!

Longer answer: Oh Hell No!

Long answer:

Benny
2006-07 Minnesota Wild NHL 3 0 0 0
2007-08 Minnesota Wild NHL 11 2 1 3
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 37 5 6 11
2009-10 Minnesota Wild NHL 14 2 2 4
2009-10 Montreal Canadiens NHL 39 15 9 24
2010-11 Montreal Canadiens NHL 79 13 17 30

Kosty
2004-05 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 66 12 11 23
2005-06 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 64 18 29 47
2005-06 Montreal Canadiens NHL 12 2 1 3
2006-07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 50 21 31 52
2006-07 Montreal Canadiens NHL 22 1 10 11
2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 78 26 27 53 12 5 3 8 2
2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 74 23 18 41 4 1 0 1 2
2009-10 Montreal Canadiens NHL 59 15 18 33 19 3 5 8 12
2010-11 Montreal Canadiens NHL 81 20 25 45 6 2 0 2 6
2011-12 Montreal Canadiens NHL 1 0 0 0

Not saying Kostytsin is our savior or anything, but he's a 20 goals, 45points scorer.. Pouliot is a 15-20-35 player, soft, and always on his ass.

AraGOHABSGO 10-08-2011 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcal64 (Post 37617889)
I am starting to wonder whether it would have been smarter to keep Pouliot instead of Andrei.

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
4. Pouliot speaks french
5. Pouliot can fight

Cons:

I can't think of any since I find their talent level the same, and they are both inconsistent.

Should have kept Pouliot instead of Cammalleri:
1- Save about 4mil$ in cap space
2- Could have gotted a 1st rounder for Cammalleri (better asset management)
3- Cammalleri is always injured ( misses like 20 games per season )
4- Pouliot speaks french
5- Pouliot can fight

:sarcasm:

Your arguments are stupid...

Lets see here:
1- Pouliot never had a season over 30 points, and A.K for the last 4, has had more than 30 ( even the one when he miseed like 23 games )
2- Andrei always has 20 goals or more ( except when he missed 23 games, he had 15 ), Pouliot never
3- Pouliot has 2 points in 22 games in the playoffs. A.K has 19 in 41.
4- A.K always leads in the hit in the team, not Pouliot.

Talks to Goalposts 10-08-2011 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcal64 (Post 37617889)
I am starting to wonder whether it would have been smarter to keep Pouliot instead of Andrei.

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
4. Pouliot speaks french
5. Pouliot can fight

Cons:

I can't think of any since I find their talent level the same, and they are both inconsistent.

Where you went wrong is the cons. Kostitsyn is a vastly superior player. Kostitsyn is a top-six forward that can form a good tough minute line with other good players. For a scoring forward his defensive game is average to above average and his physical game is above average to good. He's not a star but he's a solid piece of the puzzle. He's a good all round player 5 on 5 and pretty good on the power play. He also can compliment better players on a good line or lead weaker players on a lesser line.

Pouliot on the other hand can produce offense but is a total defensive liability that has to be carried by both his linemates in the defensive zone and on transition. He's good at generating offense for himself but his linemates production does not improve with his presence.

In short, Pouliot is no where near the player Kostitsyn is.

Crimson Skorpion 10-08-2011 11:28 AM

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
Desharnais-Eller-Kostitsyn, is a much better third line then: Desharnais-Eller-Pouliot.

2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
You can still get that by trade deadline, if management really wants to ship him out.

3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
See point #2.

4. Pouliot speaks french
Kostitsyn is still a better player. Speaking the native language of this province doesn't make you better.

5. Pouliot can fight
No he can't. Beating on Wade Redden and knocking out Krejci doesn't scream fighter. Moen-Betts-White will handle that, your third line needs to concentrate on shutting down opposition, which Kostitsyn does a much better job.

You want cons?

1. Production goes down.
2. Third line isn't as good with Pouliot.
3. Hitting goes down; Kostitsyn hits, Pouliot does not.
4. The rate of tripping over the blue line drastically goes up.
5. You're choosing a healthy scratch from Boston over someone that can play in the top 6 or a defensive third line winger role.

Monctonscout 10-08-2011 11:28 AM

Stupid argument by fans that don't look at the big picture.

RE-HABS 10-08-2011 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcal64 (Post 37617889)
I am starting to wonder whether it would have been smarter to keep Pouliot instead of Andrei.

Pros:
1. Save about 2 million in cap space
2. Could have gotten a 2nd rounder for Andrei (better asset management)
3. AK is a UFA at end of year, probably will lose him for nothing
4. Pouliot speaks french
5. Pouliot can fight

Cons:

I can't think of any since I find their talent level the same, and they are both inconsistent.

Your 5 Pros are weak!

We don't need the cap space.
AK gotten us a 2nd rounder, you know this?
If AK has a decent year and Habs feel they may lose him, they will get a decent return at the deadline over a trade in the summer that just past.
Pouliot speaking French has no Pro or added bonus to the success of the team.
Pouliot can fight, really? Who the Krejci's of the NHL???

Their talent levels are way different. AK has a great shot, can make his own space and plays the physical game...Pouliot did none of that, and did that very consistently.

Pouliot was a healthy scratch already for Boston, says a lot about him and his career.

Et le But 10-08-2011 11:30 AM

AK is the better player in every element of the game except maybe shootouts. Pouliot can't even skate properly after 6 years in the league. Even with his inconsistency AK would be a top 6 player on a lot of teams in the league, Pouliot is going to be out of the league soon.

But he does speak better French AND English, I'll give you that.

Le Tricolore 10-08-2011 11:31 AM

LOL no.

Kostitsyn is a very good, useful player.

Benoit Pouliot is a healthy scratch.

NewEraGM 10-08-2011 11:31 AM

who cares if he speaks french or not. Would you rather win or have a ****** all french team. I am not saying AK will make us win, I am just saying it shouldn't even be an issue. The french keep saying, "Get some french player get some french players" even though i we do, we will not have the best team possible. So stop complaining. I hate AK, but good god I would rather him than Pouliot

Crimson Skorpion 10-08-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Et le But (Post 37619213)
AK is the better player in every element of the game except maybe shootouts. Pouliot can't even skate properly after 6 years in the league.

But he does speak better French AND English, I'll give you that.

He speaks better French AND English than Ovechkin.

Pouliot > Ovechkin?

This particular "pro" is very weak.

DogsFan* 10-08-2011 11:32 AM

Pouliot is a healthy scratch.

Le Tricolore 10-08-2011 11:33 AM

Kostitsyn's Russian is better than Pouliot. Pro.

LyricalLyricist 10-08-2011 11:40 AM

I'm actually hoping AK is signed to an extension at a reasonable cap hit. He's an good complimentary player that can play anywhere in top 9. For 3-3.5 mil a year, i'd easily sign him 3-4 years more.

CHestah in Maine 10-08-2011 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogsFan (Post 37619287)
Pouliot is a healthy scratch.

This. Pouliot couldn't even beat out the rookie Caron for a 3rd line job in Boston. The guy is junk.

The Kremelin Wall* 10-08-2011 11:48 AM

Pros:
Kostitsyn has a cooler name and nickname.
Kostitsyn does not fall down randomly.
We can pick up Benpoo on waivers by the end of the year.

Cons:
Benpoo is much better looking.
We can pick up Benpoo on waivers by the end of the year(:sarcasm:


Seriously though if he went on waivers I'd claim him back.

Ginu 10-08-2011 11:51 AM

I read the speak French thing and moved on. That's terrible.

SpreeEndaz 10-08-2011 11:53 AM

Andreas Kostityn for Shea Weber! Sergei have been so good in Preadotors that I heard they would give us everything for th other one too! Trust me i know someone who's brother works in Nashville and that's the word around town.

Quarantesix 10-08-2011 11:56 AM

pros:: Kostitsyn is a better player

Kriss E 10-08-2011 11:56 AM

I don't understand how anybody can think that, really, I don't.

Le Tricolore 10-08-2011 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarantesix (Post 37620079)
pros:: Kostitsyn is a better player

Cons: people have trouble spelling Kostitsyn.

danyhabsfan 10-08-2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE-HABS (Post 37619211)
Your 5 Pros are weak!

We don't need the cap space.
AK gotten us a 2nd rounder, you know this?
If AK has a decent year and Habs feel they may lose him, they will get a decent return at the deadline over a trade in the summer that just past.
Pouliot speaking French has no Pro or added bonus to the success of the team.
Pouliot can fight, really? Who the Krejci's of the NHL???

Their talent levels are way different. AK has a great shot, can make his own space and plays the physical game...Pouliot did none of that, and did that very consistently.

Pouliot was a healthy scratch already for Boston, says a lot about him and his career.

Came here to post this

Quarantesix 10-08-2011 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 37620161)
Cons: people have trouble spelling Kostitsyn.

rebuttal pros: they can write AK

cons for Pouliot: BP= Boston Pizza


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