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IslesBeBack* 10-10-2011 04:54 PM

Something is "off"
 
Here we are after game 2, and you can tell that on our worst nights, we have what it takes to stay competitive. Al was fantastic, and maybe we will have the reliable goaltending for the duration.

But something else is "off". I just can't put my finger on it, but they completely imploded after 20 tonight, and it's just like they are skating through mud.

Where is this team quickness?
Where is this creativity that Jack's system caters too?
Where is the desire to compete?

It doesn't seem fair that, as fans, we should be asking where the desire to compete is after only the 2nd game of the season.

Whatever it is, it's something. Anyone have an idea of wht we could do to shake things up here? The schedule really picks up starting Thursday, and our opponents aren't the types to play 2 goal games. These are high offense teams, and teams with great goaltending.

We had 7 shots on net the last two periods today. :help:

Confused, really.

okposobeastmode 10-10-2011 05:06 PM

When in doubt blame DP... It's clearly his fault... his opening of the bench door skills are way over-rated... guys have a tough time changing

M Moulson Ale 10-10-2011 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatientlyWaiting (Post 37738035)
But something else is "off". I just can't put my finger on it, but they completely imploded after 20 tonight, and it's just like they are skating through mud.

There's your problem. It was a day game :sarcasm:
But do answer the question I really couldn't tell you...

Richie Daggers Crime 10-10-2011 05:13 PM

The team's not very good. That is all.

Islanderfan17 10-10-2011 05:21 PM

A) Comeau and Bailey are very inconsistent, Blake is only valuable for his shot and Josh just always looks lost out there. I'm all for putting the two in a package to get a good D-man.

B) Toughness. We need to put Haley or Gillies back in the line up, or both! Our only tough guys are Martin and Hamonic and they are more valuable on the ice than in the box. Our image the second half of last season was "Don't **** with us" whereas now it is the same as it was years before.

C) Mike Mottau. God damn does this guy suck, and I knew he did too. He did not impress me one bit last season, but now that Bruno the terrible is gone, his terrible play is even more noticeable. We need a top 4 D-man or Jurcina back in the line up.

D) PAP should NOT be on a 1st line in the NHL. I don't completely hate him as a player, he's decent and he usually hustles. But there is no way he should touch a 1st line in the NHL, he drags down JT and Moulson and it'd be an extremely dangerous line if we could get a good RW to replace him.

E) Consistency. This problem has plagued the Islanders for years, we play a portion of the game and then have a freakin' mental breakdown the rest of it. It was only a few years ago that we were known for blowing 3rd period leads. The kids need to learn how to play a full 60 minute game at some point, now would be a good year to do that.

There are some positives I've seen:

A) John Tavares is due for a breakout year, he looks stronger, faster, and driven like I've never seen before. He's always dangerous when he's on the ice, he's just as good a scorer as he is a playmaker.

B) Al Montoya is playing great, what I like most about him is that he seems very calm and composed in net. He works well under pressure and doesn't wander as much as DP does. I'm hoping he has a great season starting the majority of our games, then we can ink him for a 2 year deal until Poulin is ready to take the work load.

C) Mark Streit, Andy MacDonald, and Travis Hamonic fill a solid 3 out of 4 top 4 D-men spots. Mark is looking great and we sure missed his creativity and shot on the PP, as well as hopping in on the play at good times. A-Mac and Hamonic are just one hell of a defensive duo, they play smart, tough, and can chip in offensively as well.

D) The Penalty kill has been fantastic, I think this will definitely be one of our strengths this season.

cheesemonkey619 10-10-2011 05:23 PM

We need someone like Konopka to rally the troops and drop the gloves when our guys get run.

JetsMetsIsles 10-10-2011 05:34 PM

Short offseason. First game we were sluggish whole game this time we had a great first and started to slow down. Once we start to get used to playing it will get better. If we play a whole game like we did the first period then we will win a lot of games.

scott99 10-10-2011 05:46 PM

Once Tavares, Grabner & Moulson get going, this is gonna be one tough team to beat. I do agree we need more toughness and need more urgency after scoring goals, need to keep their foot on the pedal. Didn't really notice Tavares after the first period.

MTK 10-10-2011 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime (Post 37738823)
The team's not very good. That is all.


We have a winner

The team is not that good. That should answer most of questions many have about NYI.

We didn't address major needs in the offseason.

okie21 10-10-2011 05:54 PM

Its just 2 games. They haven't looked very good, but it's only 2 games. After last seasons second half and (other than that vote thing) a positive off season, people have a lot of expectations. But it's only 2 games. Game 2 last season we beat the Rags at home on Columbus Day. JT was injured, and Bailey and Comeau had dominate games.

Well Bailey went on to have a sup par season including a trip to the AHL, we wound up loseing 20 of 21 and the Rags went to the playoffs. It's a long 82 games season. Your team around Thanksgiving doesn't even really look like the way your team played the first week of the season usually.

Before we start trying to figure out whats "off" I think we should at least give the team 8-10 games to get a sample size.

If they win 4 of the next 5 and are 5-2 no body will be wondering what's "off". But even then, 7 games into the season at 5-2 it wouldn't be smart to start handing out all star nominations.

kpap57 10-10-2011 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime (Post 37738823)
The team's not very good. That is all.

I feel like you have said this in many different threads, and thats about all. Why dont we play the full season. Or should the isles just not ice a team for the rest of the year because they are not very good?:sarcasm:

kpap57 10-10-2011 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTK (Post 37740601)
We have a winner

The team is not that good. That should answer most of questions many have about NYI.

We didn't address major needs in the offseason.

come on thats not fair. Im just as pissed about the offseason as everyone else. But this team could go either way. As far as im concerned this team is 1-1-0. Let the rest of the season dictate how good this team is.

1 Timer 10-10-2011 06:01 PM

Has anyone been watching other games. Many teams look bad. It is a marathon not a sprint. Let them get their legs they will be fine.

NYI94wasaFLUKE9 10-10-2011 06:08 PM

I think we need Hale in this lineup. He will give us a spark and snarl. Martin is the only one that opponents are scared of.

DarkHorse 10-10-2011 06:11 PM

This team will be sick when we get on the road.
It's all about the ice.

Veteran journeyman 10-10-2011 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatientlyWaiting (Post 37738035)
Here we are after game 2, and you can tell that on our worst nights, we have what it takes to stay competitive. Al was fantastic, and maybe we will have the reliable goaltending for the duration.

But something else is "off". I just can't put my finger on it, but they completely imploded after 20 tonight, and it's just like they are skating through mud.

Where is this team quickness?
Where is this creativity that Jack's system caters too?
Where is the desire to compete?

It doesn't seem fair that, as fans, we should be asking where the desire to compete is after only the 2nd game of the season.

Whatever it is, it's something. Anyone have an idea of wht we could do to shake things up here? The schedule really picks up starting Thursday, and our opponents aren't the types to play 2 goal games. These are high offense teams, and teams with great goaltending.

We had 7 shots on net the last two periods today. :help:

Confused, really.


As Roger Waters said, "I got a strong urge to fly. But I got nowhere to fly to." I'm positive he wasn't talking about the Islanders, but sometimes it seems like these guys want to do the things they were doing last year...spring people for breakaways with the stretch pass, blow by defenders, etc...but they go for it too soon without doing the gritty work necessary to open up those lanes. And it just puts guys out of position, makes them seem directionless and, ironically, makes them slower out there. It's probably why they're taking a lot of penalties but not drawing any, too.

They'll put together some nice stretches of games this year. I'm sure of it. But in the first two games, they're not doing the small things right on offense that lead to the big things. Sort of a weird comparison, but I was watching old Tyson boxing videos a few years ago, and when he was on, he would go to the body repeatedly, forcing an opponent to drop his guard to protect the body, and then he'd come up with the homerun roundhouse. When he got out of jail, he just went out there and went for the roundhouse right away all the time, and he was a horrible boxer for it. Just my opinion, but it seems like when the Isles get the puck, they go for the roundhouse without setting it up with the body shots first.

sketchykg 10-10-2011 06:32 PM

Last season we were 3-1-2 after 6 games, and Bailey had six points. Fans were high on the team and thought that Bailey was starting towards being a legit top 6 forward.

How about we let things play out a bit.

majormet 10-10-2011 06:34 PM

Watched Edmonton play Pittsburgh last night, and then the Isles game in person today, and teams just look very rusty, and the better offseason conditioned guys like Letang, Matt Martin, Taylor Hall, etc.. look better.

I don't know what we have as a team right now. I actually think we improved our 4th line greatly and that was a huge problem for us early last year. We added vets which can be seen as good. We let trash go like Gervais and Konopka, which is good.

We did not get the top 4 dman which will hurt us unless DeHaan comes up and pulls a Hamonic.

I am worried about Bailey and Comeau already, might need to break these guys up, but then again if you have Haley and Nino in the lineup, you can luxury box them. I disagree about PAP hurting the first line, I think when Moulson is a step behind like he has been he hurts the line. PAP's hustle led to the 2nd goal, he might not be as bad as some think.

This team is going to have to shake up the lines at some point, at like one poster said maybe we can deal Comeau/Bailey package with a 1st for a top pairing dman.

Team will look like this if that were to magically happen

Grabner/JT/PAP
Okposo/Nielsen/Rolston
Nino/Reasoner/Moulson
Pandolfo/Haley/Martin

Streit/acquired dman
Hamonic/Amac
Eaton/Jurcina

Kevin27nyi 10-10-2011 07:09 PM

Weird that the goaltending is saving us and the offense isn't good and the D is holding up. Nobody called that :laugh:

JetsMetsIsles 10-10-2011 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin27NYI (Post 37744815)
Weird that the goaltending is saving us and the offense isn't good and the D is holding up. Nobody called that :laugh:

Thats what is keeping me positive. We have legit goal scorers and will pick it up on offense for sure but the way our D has played and big Al has made some great saves. Im liking what I'm seeing so far and once our stars start netting pucks we will be fine.

majormet 10-10-2011 07:21 PM

What happens to Islanders players when they gain a bolt on their sweater...

Bruno Gervais has a goal and an assist and has not looked like Bruno Gervais in the 3 shifts I have seen him play.... Thompson, Bergenheim, now Bruno?????

ScaredStreit 10-10-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majormet (Post 37745649)
What happens to Islanders players when they gain a bolt on their sweater...

Bruno Gervais has a goal and an assist and has not looked like Bruno Gervais in the 3 shifts I have seen him play.... Thompson, Bergenheim, now Bruno?????

You play better when you have better teammates.

Fairenough 10-10-2011 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majormet (Post 37745649)
What happens to Islanders players when they gain a bolt on their sweater...

Bruno Gervais has a goal and an assist and has not looked like Bruno Gervais in the 3 shifts I have seen him play.... Thompson, Bergenheim, now Bruno?????

Saw him in preseason against Montreal...he was terrible.

Bergenheim wasn't any better in TB than on Long Island. Playoffs notwithstanding.

majormet 10-10-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScaredStreit (Post 37746175)
You play better when you have better teammates.

He was paired with your handle namesakes for the first half of 2009/10 and that could not save him.

Of course this is just one game, and to me Bruno did have one great game in the past 2 years,... 6-0 against Detroit.

BossyMVP 10-10-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott99 (Post 37740263)
Once Tavares, Grabner & Moulson get going, this is gonna be one tough team to beat. I do agree we need more toughness and need more urgency after scoring goals, need to keep their foot on the pedal. Didn't really notice Tavares after the first period.

Maybe cause you were watching Judge Judy after 2pm because he was the 2nd best player on the ice today.


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