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Hollywood Couturier 10-12-2011 12:15 PM

Phillies' Baseball (MLB): 2012 Spring Training
 
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DrinkFightFlyers 10-12-2011 12:41 PM

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DrinkFightFlyers 10-12-2011 12:42 PM

Also I don't like what I heard on SportsRise this morning about Brown spending another year in AAA.

Protest 10-12-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 37809769)
Also I don't like what I heard on SportsRise this morning about Brown spending another year in AAA.

Starting the year or spending the year?

JDinkalage Morgoone 10-12-2011 01:08 PM

Phillies Offseason: Penceive (pensive) thought on how to strengthen our Achilles' Heel

Protest 10-12-2011 01:11 PM

Howard had surgery.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...surgery-today/

Devastate 10-12-2011 01:14 PM

I also heard yesterday that Rollins is requesting a 5 year commitment. What ya guys think about that?

Prongo 10-12-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 37809769)
Also I don't like what I heard on SportsRise this morning about Brown spending another year in AAA.

I do... the kid just doesnt seem ready for the majors yet. Give him the year and if he is tearing up later next year we can bring him up to the big leagues and have him make a difference instead of riding the pine

Haute Couturier 10-12-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37810881)
I also heard yesterday that Rollins is requesting a 5 year commitment. What ya guys think about that?

Do not want.

King Forsberg 10-12-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37810881)
I also heard yesterday that Rollins is requesting a 5 year commitment. What ya guys think about that?

I'd rather give Jose Reyes a 5 yr deal.

Devastate 10-12-2011 05:29 PM

You know, i'm not completely against this 5 year deal, depending on what's going on.

A) Can we get reyes for less
B) The Money involved
C) 4th and 5th years being club options.

I think Rollins still has another 3 years left in him, so i wouldn't be opposed to accommodating his request if things are done right.

mm6492 10-12-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersfan9180 (Post 37813671)
I do... the kid just doesnt seem ready for the majors yet. Give him the year and if he is tearing up later next year we can bring him up to the big leagues and have him make a difference instead of riding the pine

Just let him play LF for the entire year. He was starting to come around offensively when we traded for Pence. Minors are not gonna benefit him at all. Just let the freaking kid play.

Prongo 10-12-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mm6492 (Post 37820163)
Just let him play LF for the entire year. He was starting to come around offensively when we traded for Pence. Minors are not gonna benefit him at all. Just let the freaking kid play.

I dont understand how you can say the minors won't benefit him??

Phileeguy 10-12-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37819971)
You know, i'm not completely against this 5 year deal, depending on what's going on.

A) Can we get reyes for less

Doubt it. Reyes is younger and puts up better numbers. He may not be as good as Jimmy defensively, but he's still pretty good.
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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37819971)
B) The Money involved

This is probably going to be the biggest point of contention. He's been making $8.5mil per the past few years, which was underpaid, so he'll want a significant increase. I don't know if the Phils want to put up that kinda cash for an oft injured, non prototypical lead-off hitter who hasn't really had a good year at the plate since '08. Defense and this past playoff series notwithstanding. Plus I'd figure the Phils would be more interested in keeping Madson and Hamels before Jimmy. They don't want to pass the luxury tax and with Paychecks due to Lee and Howard increasing they'll get up there.
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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37819971)
C) 4th and 5th years being club options.

Jimmy has said he wants 4 years w/ a player option if not 5. So unless he backs off this (he very well could, what he said yesterday may just be a higher end starting point to negotiations) I don't see the Phils interested for that long.
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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37819971)
I think Rollins still has another 3 years left in him, so i wouldn't be opposed to accommodating his request if things are done right.

He might be good for that long with his glove. Problem is he's not exactly the type of hitter they're going to want in the future considering how bad the bats were collectively against the Cards, even though Jimmy was hot. He's not a good OBP guy and he doesn't usually work the count. Unless he backs out of some of his demands I refer you to the first part of my response to "A)."

SolidSnakeUS 10-12-2011 10:57 PM

I really wish Rollins wasn't on the forefront of the signing media. I'd rather have Hamels first and foremost to be signed.

Justified 10-12-2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS (Post 37837899)
I really wish Rollins wasn't on the forefront of the signing media. I'd rather have Hamels first and foremost to be signed.

I think RAJ is a smart enough guy to realize Cole Hamels extension should be their main priority. He should be the guy 5 years from that will be the ace of the staff when Doc and Lee either arent here/arent as dominant.

Justified 10-12-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersfan9180 (Post 37820219)
I dont understand how you can say the minors won't benefit him??

I think he will be fine offensively, he was hitting decently and getting on base pretty well. Before he got sent down when Pence came here he was hitting around .300 in July. It's his defense that worries me, he along with Pence seem so awkward out there.

DrinkFightFlyers 10-13-2011 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Protest (Post 37810259)
Starting the year or spending the year?

I'm pretty sure it was spending the year. Obviously if someone gets hurt/slumps or he rips it up it's a different story, but it sounds like Mayberry is LF and Brown is in AAA until something happens.

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Originally Posted by Devastate (Post 37810881)
I also heard yesterday that Rollins is requesting a 5 year commitment. What ya guys think about that?

If it's affordable I'd do it. He's still pretty good on defense but he is not an elite short stop anymore.

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Originally Posted by flyersfan9180 (Post 37813671)
I do... the kid just doesnt seem ready for the majors yet. Give him the year and if he is tearing up later next year we can bring him up to the big leagues and have him make a difference instead of riding the pine

Maybe I'm just getting antsy to see this guy in an everyday role. Haha.

Justified 10-16-2011 10:17 PM

And people say they that you need good pitching to win...

SolidSnakeUS 10-16-2011 10:33 PM

Am I the only one that really likes what Saito can do for the Brewers? I'd love to pick him up.

healthyscratch 10-17-2011 11:50 AM

I don't blame Jimmy for wanting a 5 year deal, and I'm pretty sure someone will be dumb enough to give it to him, most likely the Giants. I'd rather it not be the Phils, I would max out at 3, maybe with a club option for a 4th. But if he gets a 5 year offer, then thanks for the memories Jimmy.

And I don't want any part of Reyes, he's a selfish player who has had groin/hammy problems every year. Someone will give him 7 years at 16-18 per and be disappointed with the results.

I'm thinking it will be Freddy Galvis or a FA fill-in until Galvis is deemed ready.

Cinerary 10-18-2011 11:11 PM

Thread title suggestion - Four aces, no clubs.

Saw it on another forum, kind of liked it.

DrinkFightFlyers 10-19-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 38041933)
I don't blame Jimmy for wanting a 5 year deal, and I'm pretty sure someone will be dumb enough to give it to him, most likely the Giants. I'd rather it not be the Phils, I would max out at 3, maybe with a club option for a 4th. But if he gets a 5 year offer, then thanks for the memories Jimmy.

And I don't want any part of Reyes, he's a selfish player who has had groin/hammy problems every year. Someone will give him 7 years at 16-18 per and be disappointed with the results.

I'm thinking it will be Freddy Galvis or a FA fill-in until Galvis is deemed ready.

I'd be totally fine with JRoll on a five year deal if the price was reasonable. I was reading he wants $10 mil a season for five years. That's nuts. I can't see anyone giving him that much for that long. He's not really old right now, but he's on the downswing for sure. I'd give him $5 mil for five years though, but that's the most I'd do, which he likely would not want.

Justified 10-20-2011 12:01 AM

I wasnt for tanking against the Braves, but I would have to believe that if they didnt go on 8 game losing streak and say went 3-5, then thy would have tanked.

Flyboy 10-21-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 38149657)
I'd be totally fine with JRoll on a five year deal if the price was reasonable. I was reading he wants $10 mil a season for five years. That's nuts. I can't see anyone giving him that much for that long. He's not really old right now, but he's on the downswing for sure. I'd give him $5 mil for five years though, but that's the most I'd do, which he likely would not want.

I wonder if Jimmy truly thinks he can/will get 5 years at $10 million a year. He might be playing the game and setting his bench mark in the clouds knowing that teams will need to talk him down from at least that amount.


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