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torero 10-14-2011 08:08 AM

the Habs' Swiss
 
Hello guys, let's speak Swiss !

Diaz is adapting well to the NA style ... still some speed to gain to face the fast pace because of the smaller rink, specially against teams practicing forechecking. To bulck up a bit wouldn't harm him as well but their is a nice future in him.

Weber, le Jene Wbre ... who in my view is less and less Jene. And has more and more shoulders to take on responsibilities. Still has a deadly shot ... Pitty to put him asside ... i know the roster is full of capable defenders when no one is injured ... but he could end up la Streit !

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Hamilton's Swiss.

Berger ... needs to put up some muscles to become this potential powerforward ... but he could make it ... it may take 2 years until he reaches NHL level (2 way).

Meyer ... well i wish all the best ... unless he explodes he may remain an AHLer all his live or come back to the Homeland. But in the homeland their are already good goalies ... i don't know ...maybe i am overly negative on him ... hopefully it is so.

All in all almost all have a bright future if they keep adjusting.

What is your thought guys ? You who see them waaaay more often than i do ??

otto bond 10-14-2011 08:19 AM

We have Weber, Diaz, Berger and Myers all swiss born players, cool.

Now Weber is a decent Dman but he is weak in is own end. Comparing him to Streit is cool but Streit was 28 years old in his rookie year and got that big pay day wen he was 29. Diaz is in the same mold but Weber has the better shot where Diaz is older. Having said this, how many Streit type player do a hockey team really need?

Berger is gonna fill out, I have no doubt there. His experience in the OHL was an advantage and could make some noise in a couple of years. He's interesting card to have.

Myers is a AHL goalie. I don't see much more potential there....sorry

Young Gun 10-14-2011 08:49 AM

lets just see how Weber and Diaz pans out when the phillys and the bee's come to town. Best measuring sticks we can get for our D

Et le But 10-14-2011 09:01 AM

I think both Diaz and Weber have shown flashes of being decent in their own end, the biggest issue is their strength. I think Weber has more potential defensively, the age difference is pretty significant.

I'm a big fan of both of them but I'm not sure if the defense is balanced enough right now, though seeing both of them on the points was very nice.

I'm high up on Berger too, I think he will be a very useful player.

neofury* 10-14-2011 09:44 AM

I'm most impressed with Diaz. He's a keeper imo. Makes very nice passes out of the zone.

Le Tricolore 10-14-2011 09:54 AM

I've been very pleased with both of their play. I thought Weber's been fine in his own zone, as well.

Stjonnypopo 10-14-2011 10:20 AM

Weber gets thrown under the bus too quickly. He makes some really good plays sometimes and he battles hard. more than a few times I've seen him come out of the corner with the puck when he had no business doing so, especially against bigger guys. If he were to be given a full-time role on the team, as in, JM telling him he's got the 5th or 6th D position, I think he would excel. It's gotta be frustrating being switched around all the time, never having enough time to gel into a position.

That being said, Diaz is clearly the better player right now and I think if we had to pick one for the future I would go with Diaz. As much as I like Weber, I don't think he'll be as solid as Diaz.

Andros777 10-14-2011 11:35 AM

For once the Habs scouting department seems to have caught on to something. The Swiss have gotten a lot better internationally lately and I like that we seem to have tapped that talent pool before anyone else.

neofury* 10-14-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Andros777 (Post 37908723)
For once the Habs scouting department seems to have caught on to something. The Swiss have gotten a lot better internationally lately and I like that we seem to have tapped that talent pool before anyone else.

Agreed. Hopefully they're doing the same thing in Denmark as that market seems to be growing as well.

FlyingKostitsyn 10-14-2011 12:37 PM

I'm very impressed with Diaz. He's an NHL talent for sure, good instincts and skillset on the PP without being useless defensively. Its great to have an undrafted guy come in like that and contribute immediately.

My expectations for him were to start in Hamilton with a very small chance of getting called up with Weber, Emelin and Nash around (ok, injured)

Stjonnypopo 10-14-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by neofury (Post 37909019)
Agreed. Hopefully they're doing the same thing in Denmark as that market seems to be growing as well.

I think Switzerland still has a pretty big edge over Denmark but I get what you're saying. I have a feeling that the Swiss are going to be the next "top-tier" players. Currently we have Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic and Slovakia. I could see Switzerland joining the ranks soon enough.

neofury* 10-14-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stjonnypopo (Post 37911309)
I think Switzerland still has a pretty big edge over Denmark but I get what you're saying. I have a feeling that the Swiss are going to be the next "top-tier" players. Currently we have Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic and Slovakia. I could see Switzerland joining the ranks soon enough.

No question but it's good to not have all your eggs in one basket.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt 10-14-2011 03:21 PM

Weber has looked bad on defence, but he needs the Gill treatment on the 3rd pairing.

I'm still surprised by how confident Diaz looks out there. If everyone is healthy, I think he should go to Hamilton and log tons of minutes there. In the meantime, keep him around. He's getting better every shift.

Berger.. I really liked him. Caught him in the OHL and I really think he can turn into a solid secondary scoring/checking guy.

Mayer. LOL.

Mathradio 10-14-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andros777 (Post 37908723)
For once the Habs scouting department seems to have caught on to something. The Swiss have gotten a lot better internationally lately and I like that we seem to have tapped that talent pool before anyone else.

The Ducks and the Islanders also have tapped into the Swiss talent pool. (Sbisa is on the Ducks' pro scouts, because the cheesepuffs have found him first)

Woland 10-14-2011 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stjonnypopo (Post 37911309)
I think Switzerland still has a pretty big edge over Denmark but I get what you're saying. I have a feeling that the Swiss are going to be the next "top-tier" players. Currently we have Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic and Slovakia. I could see Switzerland joining the ranks soon enough.

Niederreiter and Bartschi are solid prospects for the Swiss national team that's for sure. depth may however be an issue

neofury* 10-14-2011 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 37920855)
The Ducks and the Islanders also have tapped into the Swiss talent pool. (Sbisa is on the Ducks' pro scouts, because the cheesepuffs have found him first)

What about Regin in Ottawa. Sens got a Dane. Seems they're tapping into that market already. Not saying Regin is a superstar but you never know what you may find. After getting Lars Eller I could seriously see out scouts checking out Denmark too in a few years.

Remember even if the Danish team isn't the best there might be a few solid players.

Andros777 10-14-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 37920855)
The Ducks and the Islanders also have tapped into the Swiss talent pool. (Sbisa is on the Ducks' pro scouts, because the cheesepuffs have found him first)

I dunno, Niedereitter was too high profile to miss, I don't think that means the Islanders are on to us.

I still can't believe that no one has taken a chance on Benjamin Conz. I've heard that he's too small for his style to work in the NHL, but still he's been damn impressive.

Crimson Skorpion 10-14-2011 07:05 PM

Both have been exceptionally good in their defensive zone and Weber gets the slight edge in the offensive zone. Diaz keeps improving with every game he plays and Weber continues to show that Martin was a fool to place him on the fourth line.

Hackett 10-14-2011 08:20 PM

I like Diaz. I think most of his mistakes can be attributed to the smaller rink and how fast things happen out there. Ideally, you want him to play with a steady veteran but the habs only have 2 of those guys to go around at the moment. But I like what I see so far.

Weber still struggles with consistency especially in his own zone. I'd like to see him get his big shot on net on a more consistent basis. Without that, his biggest asset is a waste.

I look at weber as a 3rd pairing guy and 2nd unit PP guy. I think Diaz has the ability to become a 2nd pairing guy and a 1st unit PP guy

The Kremelin Wall* 10-14-2011 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackett (Post 37925961)
I like Diaz. I think most of his mistakes can be attributed to the smaller rink and how fast things happen out there. Ideally, you want him to play with a steady veteran but the habs only have 2 of those guys to go around at the moment. But I like what I see so far.

Weber still struggles with consistency especially in his own zone. I'd like to see him get his big shot on net on a more consistent basis. Without that, his biggest asset is a waste.

I look at weber as a 3rd pairing guy and 2nd unit PP guy. I think Diaz has the ability to become a 2nd pairing guy and a 1st unit PP guy

Why do you say these things regarding upside? Perhaps because Diaz is new and shiny? Weber is younger and leagues ahead of where Diaz was at the same age. I'd even give Weber the edge over Diaz now offensively and defensively. I'll go ahead and make the bold statement that Weber could be as good as Subban is right now.

Boardish 10-15-2011 12:04 AM

Am I the only one thinking Weber has been the best swiss for our team so far? It's a really small sample size though.

It seems like Weber is REALLY underrated. To me, he looked more solid defensively than Diaz and seems to play a gritty style when he's confident (first to defend someone, not shying away from physical confrontation). He has a sick shot, both wrister and slapshot.

Diaz is a sure NHLer though. He will be good. He's still kind of sloppy in his own zone, or at defending rushes, which is totally normal since he needs to learn how to play on that type of rink. I never seen a defenseman do so many fakes on the PP.

xposbrad 10-15-2011 03:42 AM

Diaz was very shaky last game. Turnovers, bad passes, weak in front of the net. That pass across without looking that got picked off in our zone almost led to a big scoring chance by the flames. Then in the other game he left his guy in front and they scored.

Weber is off and on with his d consistency. His biggest problem is his strength in clearing the crease area and sticking with bigger guys. He wasn't too good in the PK the other game I know they tried him on that but he's strictly a PP point specialist. (he has to work on getting his point shots through, last year a ton were blocked).

Although they are both playing now, I don't see how a competitive team would have room for both of these guys in their lineup. If we want to actually win we'll need upgrades over both preferably.

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Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 37933497)
Why do you say these things regarding upside? Perhaps because Diaz is new and shiny? Weber is younger and leagues ahead of where Diaz was at the same age. I'd even give Weber the edge over Diaz now offensively and defensively. I'll go ahead and make the bold statement that Weber could be as good as Subban is right now.

I think he's probably better than Subban but like a combo of Doughty mixed with Weber/Yandle/Lidstrom. Probably like could get to 62g/902a a year I think...If we use him properly lol

Hackett 10-15-2011 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 37933497)
Why do you say these things regarding upside? Perhaps because Diaz is new and shiny? Weber is younger and leagues ahead of where Diaz was at the same age. I'd even give Weber the edge over Diaz now offensively and defensively. I'll go ahead and make the bold statement that Weber could be as good as Subban is right now.

Weber is younger but also more experienced on smaller ice going back to his days in junior. Diaz may be a couple years older but you can count the amount of games he's played on small ice with your fingers.

Mark streit came over as a 27 year old (or around that age) and it even took him a full season to adapt to the north american game. Now, I'm not saying that diaz is going to be as good as streit was but I'm simply stating that it takes time to make the adjustment. That's why I rate diaz more on upside than anything else. Just watching his attributes, I think he has more ability than weber, its a matter of bringing it together and making the adjustment.

neofury* 10-15-2011 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackett (Post 37943417)
Weber is younger but also more experienced on smaller ice going back to his days in junior. Diaz may be a couple years older but you can count the amount of games he's played on small ice with your fingers.

Mark streit came over as a 27 year old (or around that age) and it even took him a full season to adapt to the north american game. Now, I'm not saying that diaz is going to be as good as streit was but I'm simply stating that it takes time to make the adjustment. That's why I rate diaz more on upside than anything else. Just watching his attributes, I think he has more ability than weber, its a matter of bringing it together and making the adjustment.

Diaz to me seems like the better passer or at least he's shown some good flashes. Both he and Weber do have a good shot but Weber has used it more often and more successfully, I think this is because Diaz is still learning the NA game and trying to play defense first hockey while he learns. He has made some really nice passes here or there though. A couple times he has seemed a bit more pressured in his own end than most of our other D, he and Weber both need to work on the way they play in their own end.

I see Diaz as a top 4 D who can maybe play in all situations down the line. I see Weber as more of a 3rd pairing D who can play on PP unit 1. I think when Markov comes back Weber will shine.

Mathradio 10-15-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 37933497)
Why do you say these things regarding upside? Perhaps because Diaz is new and shiny? Weber is younger and leagues ahead of where Diaz was at the same age. I'd even give Weber the edge over Diaz now offensively and defensively. I'll go ahead and make the bold statement that Weber could be as good as Subban is right now.

But only because Subban tends to take some time to get back on his game during a season.


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