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theboss* 10-15-2011 09:28 PM

Subban - Signs of a sophomore slump
 
Subban has not played a single good game and is making stupid mistakes. Is this the start of that dreaded slump or its nothing?

DirtyJeeves 10-15-2011 09:29 PM

He did this last year, got benched and then became a superhero again. "chill out."

Dr_Hook 10-15-2011 09:34 PM

To me, he's the kind of volatile character and high-risk instinct player that is a prime candidate for a sophomore jinx ; too early to call, but I was worried before the season, and I am worried still...

tdecheno 10-15-2011 09:38 PM

Yeah, 4 games in...the guy is a bust!!!!

theboss* 10-15-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdecheno (Post 37985147)
Yeah, 4 games in...the guy is a bust!!!!

Yeah that was said. I cant believe you would take reimer over price

Kriss E 10-15-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theboss (Post 37983977)
Subban has not played a single good game and is making stupid mistakes. Is this the start of that dreaded slump or its nothing?

Game 4 just ended.

theboss* 10-15-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kriss E (Post 37985303)
Game 4 just ended.

Ok. Your point?

tdecheno 10-15-2011 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theboss (Post 37985287)
Yeah that was said. I cant believe you would take reimer over price

lol huh?? wouldn't take anyone over Price. Maybe wait more than 4 games before calling a slump.

theboss* 10-15-2011 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdecheno (Post 37985825)
lol huh?? wouldn't take anyone over Price. Maybe wait more than 4 games before calling a slump.

I said signs. Not dat he is on one

GordonGraham 10-15-2011 09:46 PM

Another awful game for the alleged superstar

habsrule22 10-15-2011 09:48 PM

he s trying to do too much, it will settle down.

FF de Mars 10-15-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theboss (Post 37983977)
Subban has not played a single good game and is making stupid mistakes. Is this the start of that dreaded slump or its nothing?

Don't jump the gun

Kriss E 10-15-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theboss (Post 37985457)
Ok. Your point?

Point is, I'm not sure 4 games even qualifies as a slump.
Give it some time. People were saying the same thing about Myers last year at the beginning, he eventually got back on track, finished strong and overall had a good year.

PK played well in Winnipeg. He's on a 2 game bad streak. That's not a slump. Wait, be patient.

Protest the Hero 10-15-2011 09:59 PM

There's reason to be disappointed, but it's still too early to be worried imo.

Ozymandias 10-15-2011 10:13 PM

PK is being relied upon tremendously, and right now it's him, Gill and Gorges trying to keep the Habs afloat.

He's playing 25 minutes, while the closest guy on D is Gorges with 21 minutes. He plays the 2nd most ES minutes behind Gorges, and plays the most PK minutes on the entire team. And since he's given so many responsibilities, it overwhelms him a bit and he'll have to settle into a groove like he did last year in the last 40 games. The thing is, PK always seems to adjust, which is probably his greatest strenght.

I know this seems redundant, but it has to do with context, if Markov was on the lineup, we might not be talking about a slump, as he would have better support (top 6) and better matchups. Right now, he's doing about everything (ES, PP, PK), almost always against the toughest opposition. Despite his few errors, he's hasn't been that bad. Made a lot plays. A LOT. And that's the intangible with Subban. Is that, he's always there, he's always involved in the play, it's just a matter of settling in, keeping it simple and not try to do too much, it's the much repeated mantra of last season, and it'll continue this season onward, until he has better support or passes over this phase by gaining the experience as he is doing right now.

It's easy for seasoned veterans to find back their rythm early in the season, not that easy for a sophomore, with again, not much support on the D squad.

Subban is actually responding the same way he did last season after being dominant in the previous playoffs against the Pens. He seems to need some time to find his groove and not make those mental lapses and keep his focus.

XperHFB 10-15-2011 10:30 PM

Dude forget it Subban took it easier this summer and now it shows on the ice. If he dint stopped training for tge many promotional events he went too he would probably be a clutch player right now but his not. His game is off and it will take about 20 games to see him back at his full potential. I hope he learns his lesson for next season

Mathradio 10-15-2011 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protest the Hero (Post 37987539)
There's reason to be disappointed, but it's still too early to be worried imo.

And the same could be said of the entire team, including Carey Price.

Danadiens 10-15-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekamaniac (Post 37992143)
Subban is the least of our worries.

We could start by addressing our lack of size, lack of finishing ability, and lack of a #1 goaltender

Wait what?

Oh I see what you mea... No I don't

ECWHSWI 10-15-2011 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekamaniac (Post 37992143)
Subban is the least of our worries.

We could start by addressing our lack of size, lack of finishing ability, and lack of a #1 goaltender

he single handely cost us a game so far and was directly responsible for the Avs 3rd goal...

scored 5+ in half our games so far...



seriously, the ingore thingie should be fixed, hate having to read clowns I've already put on my ignore list...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 37988883)
PK is being relied upon tremendously, and right now it's him, Gill and Gorges trying to keep the Habs afloat.

He's playing 25 minutes, while the closest guy on D is Gorges with 21 minutes. He plays the 2nd most ES minutes behind Gorges, and plays the most PK minutes on the entire team. And since he's given so many responsibilities, it overwhelms him a bit and he'll have to settle into a groove like he did last year in the last 40 games. The thing is, PK always seems to adjust, which is probably his greatest strenght.

I know this seems redundant, but it has to do with context, if Markov was on the lineup, we might not be talking about a slump, as he would have better support (top 6) and better matchups. Right now, he's doing about everything (ES, PP, PK), almost always against the toughest opposition. Despite his few errors, he's hasn't been that bad. Made a lot plays. A LOT. And that's the intangible with Subban. Is that, he's always there, he's always involved in the play, it's just a matter of settling in, keeping it simple and not try to do too much, it's the much repeated mantra of last season, and it'll continue this season onward, until he has better support or passes over this phase by gaining the experience as he is doing right now.

It's easy for seasoned veterans to find back their rythm early in the season, not that easy for a sophomore, with again, not much support on the D squad.

Subban is actually responding the same way he did last season after being dominant in the previous playoffs against the Pens. He seems to need some time to find his groove and not make those mental lapses and keep his focus.

was in the same context last season for all but 7 games.

Gainey#1* 10-15-2011 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 37988883)
PK is being relied upon tremendously, and right now it's him, Gill and Gorges trying to keep the Habs afloat.

He's playing 25 minutes, while the closest guy on D is Gorges with 21 minutes. He plays the 2nd most ES minutes behind Gorges, and plays the most PK minutes on the entire team. And since he's given so many responsibilities, it overwhelms him a bit and he'll have to settle into a groove like he did last year in the last 40 games. The thing is, PK always seems to adjust, which is probably his greatest strenght.

I know this seems redundant, but it has to do with context, if Markov was on the lineup, we might not be talking about a slump, as he would have better support (top 6) and better matchups. Right now, he's doing about everything (ES, PP, PK), almost always against the toughest opposition. Despite his few errors, he's hasn't been that bad. Made a lot plays. A LOT. And that's the intangible with Subban. Is that, he's always there, he's always involved in the play, it's just a matter of settling in, keeping it simple and not try to do too much, it's the much repeated mantra of last season, and it'll continue this season onward, until he has better support or passes over this phase by gaining the experience as he is doing right now.

It's easy for seasoned veterans to find back their rythm early in the season, not that easy for a sophomore, with again, not much support on the D squad.

Subban is actually responding the same way he did last season after being dominant in the previous playoffs against the Pens. He seems to need some time to find his groove and not make those mental lapses and keep his focus.

Easy to blame injuries. That is a loser's mentality for an easy way out.

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Slick Nick 10-15-2011 11:22 PM

Subban will be fine, he's playing too much and the pressure on this kid is insane.

The good news is that Emelin is adapting faster than expected. What a game tonight!

ECWHSWI 10-15-2011 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Nick (Post 37994643)
Subban will be fine, he's playing too much and the pressure on this kid is insane.

The good news is that Emelin is adapting faster than expected. What a game tonight!

agreed, think we was solid, only hope he's taking english classes as it happen too often that him and Weber hesitate (both) on plays... something communication could easily fix.

Bullsmith 10-16-2011 12:05 AM

Face it, Subban and Price were terrible tonight. Each were directly responsible for bad goals against. Honestly, Subban should sit for a game, if it weren't for injuries he might well do just that.

If Price and Subban play a mediocre game, Habs win 5-2. If either one of them doesn't stink the joint out, it's 4-3 at the closest. I'm not blaming them, they just sucked tonight. AK is a destructive force to both teams, half the time on each side.

On the positive side- Emelin is improving rapidly and could be a legit top-4 two-way force by the end of this season. Eller same story. Not saying either will achieve their potential, but based on the way they're showing now, their learning curve puts them as core players within the year. Much reason to hope with these two guys. Pax was outstanding, Plex too. Gomez was good, Gio was good, Moen was good. Cole had his best game as a Hab, although he still looked mostly out of synch with the team. Desharnais was very good and also very bad (context: the shape he showed up in this year is inexcusable. DD of all people needs to be working harder than his opposition, not using camp to get into game shape. On the positive side, JM is giving him icetime in all kinds of situations, so he hasn't blown his shot yet. Still, he's playing with fire coming into camp out of shape. Tonight looked like his first real game effort.) Gill, Diaz and Weber were good and bad. AK showed effort, but had no touch and, as per normal, no ****ing hockey sense at all. (I swear when I see him get the puck as the trailer on a 3-on-1 I debate whether he'll a)hold onto the puck too long and fire it into the sole d who by now is sprawled on the ice, b) blast it wide and send it back to his own zone or c) pass it ankle high into the skates of one of his linemates.)

In terms of the bubble guys. Enqvist needs to be popped. He tries, maybe he can get there, but right now the word that sums him up is "ineffectual." He's trying. He's failing. Palushaj put in huge effort, but also failed to produce much outcome from it. Both guys shouldn't be written off, but Palushaj I think has more use to the the team. Enqvist needs to be upgraded. Neither Eller nor DD belong on the fourth line, that's pretty clear IMO. Nor does Enqvist. Team has some glaring holes right now: 4th line center/Faceoff/RH C and also size/grit on D. Think Price's meltdown tonight had anything to do with being run early, as he will be 95% of games this year?

HockeyF3ind 10-16-2011 12:34 AM

Jesus relax people. Its only game 4 but more importantly, its not like last season where we just didn't have Markov, then Gorges. We don't have Markov, Hammer, Spacek or the filler we picked up in Campoli. Subban is bearing a lot of weight as a result, it would be understandable not to produce with all the added responsibility. He's like the 3rd most senior D and its his 2nd year....

The Kremelin Wall* 10-16-2011 12:43 AM

The only truly stupid mistake he made tonight was not checking to see his partner was making a line change before superheroing through the entire Colorado team and giving it away.


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