Originally Posted by Gary320 (Post 39609661)

habsinsideout1 Dave Stubbs
#Habs Gill had infection from a cut. Forget the flu

Originally Posted by Gary320 (Post 39610067)

Another update.

MAGodin Marc Antoine Godin
According to Jacques Martin, Andrei Markov shouldn't be back before the trip in California.

Originally Posted by SB164 (Post 39569783)

RDSca RDS
Précision : Hal Gill est hospitalisé depuis trois jours en raison d'une infection ou d'un virus.

RDS is now reporting that Gill has been hospitalized for the past three days.

Edit: Damnit Fel!

Originally Posted by 7th Player (Post 39456503)

CanadiensMTL Montreal Canadiens
Gill, Kostitsyn, Engqvist and Spacek are not at practice.

From Habs Twitter.

That means Cammy is back skating.

Originally Posted by SB164 (Post 39455317)

habsinsideout1 Dave Stubbs
#Habs Cammalleri is on practice ice

Originally Posted by JMMR (Post 39458581)

No surprise but no set date for Markov to return when talking to the media today.
AS per Habs twit feed

Originally Posted by zzoo (Post 39179747)

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...2_section_POS7

"Andrei Markov, pour sa part, continue de patiner en solitaire et Jacques Martin a mentionné qu'il n'était pas encore prêt à rejoindre l'équipe. Le défenseur Chris Campoli, qui soigne un tendon de la jambe gauche, a lui aussi recommencé à patiner en solo.

Il n'y a que Ryan White qui semble encore loin d'un retour au jeu. Il appert que l'intervention chirurgicale qu'il a subie pour soigner une hernie sportive à l'aine devait prendre entre 8 et 12 semaines de convalescence. Jacques Martin nous a dit qu'il ne s'attendait pas à le revoir avant Noël."

[Translation edit: Markov is skating alone and is still not ready to rejoin the team according to Martin. Campoli, out with a tendon injury in his left leg, is also skating alone.

Ryan White is still far from a return. His recuperation after the surgery takes 8-12 weeks and Martin says not to expect him back before Christmas].

Originally Posted by 417 (Post 39184215)

Markov's making the trip to Phoenix with the rest of the team, although he still hasn't been cleared to practice with them...but it's a good sign

Originally Posted by Monaco88 (Post 39129145)

Campoli is back on the ice!!!!!

http://legrandclub.rds.ca/profils/608644/posts/125359


With Campoli and Markov back and Gomez also, the only one missing will be White...

Originally Posted by Habs83 (Post 38620321)

Markov 1-2 weeks away from practicing with the team but will skate on his own in the meantime.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/icechips/

D Andrei Markov is expected to be 1-2 weeks away from practicing with the team. He will skate on his own before joining his teammates in practice. - TSN


:yo:

Originally Posted by Sthabs (Post 38523775)

ArponBasu Arpon Basu
I'm sure this was reported, but #Habs Gauthier also said Markov could be back on ice as early as next week

Originally Posted by HomaridII (Post 38522155)

BrianWildeCTV BrianWilde
PG says: Markov was having 2 a day draining workouts in Florida. No structural damage. Strengthening muscle groups round knee.

Originally Posted by SB164 (Post 38521579)

Markov is arriving back from Florida to Montreal on Friday.

renhockey Renaud P Lavoie
#canadiens Pierre Gauthier: "Andrei Markov il a fait beaucoup de progrès. Il revient vendredi soir à Montréal."

renhockey Renaud P Lavoie
#canadiens: toujours sur Markov: "toutes les nouvelles sont bonnes. On est juste forcé d'attendre".

EricEngels Eric Engels
Gauthier says everything's positive in Markov's case but we have to wait

BrianWildeCTV BrianWilde
Markov who was very close to returning one full month ago, PG says has made a lot of recovery progress. #habs

Originally Posted by beh3moth (Post 38521613)

Markov in Montreal for Friday:

According to @renhockey, Gauthier just said Markov will be back in Montreal on Friday night
http://twitter.com/#!/Real_ESPNLeBru...34236850290689

"#canadiens Pierre Gauthier: "Andrei Markov il a fait beaucoup de progrès. Il revient vendredi soir à Montréal.""

lebrun and renaud lavioe respectively

Originally Posted by Et le But (Post 38521643)

TonyMarinaro Tony Marinaro
Pierre Gauthier says dr andrews & 3 different physio therapists and doctor pushed Andrei Markov to the limit and his knee is responding well

Originally Posted by Habs83 (Post 38502943)

JohnLuTSNMtl John Lu
#Habs Pacioretty is a possibility to make the trip to Boston because he's a GTD tonight, according to J. Martin.
23 minutes ago
» JohnLuTSNMtl John Lu
#Habs Pacioretty is a gametime decision, says J. Martin.
32 minutes ago

Originally Posted by hototogisu

Montreal Canadiens winger Max Pacioretty will not play Wednesday night against the Philadelphia Flyers as he is dealing with an upper body injury.

Pacioretty, who left Monday’s game against the Florida Panthers after the second period of a 2-1 loss, was set to see a doctor later Tuesday. He is listed as day-to-day.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/...bs_pacioretty/

Originally Posted by hototogisu

(Pacioretty undergoing tests to evaluate the extent of the injury to his left arm (wrist?). More details to come.)

Originally Posted by Fel 96

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie...62510311186432
http://twitter.com/#!/habsinsideout1...80191554895872

Damn.

That'd be a bad news if true.

Originally Posted by HomaridII (Post 38194715)

renhockey Renaud P Lavoie
#canadiens Mike Cammalleri et Jaroslav Spacek sont de l'entraînement matinal. Both are on the ice for morning skate.

Originally Posted by groovejuice (Post 38195501)

Mike Cammalleri joue ce soir. Will play tonight.

from twitter Lavoie

Originally Posted by Commandant (Post 38091011)

Dave Stubbs (@habsinsideout1)

#Habs Cammalleri might be back later this week, Spacek still seems a couple weeks away

Originally Posted by Pernell Karl (Post 38091697)

Per MA Godin Markov is staying in Florida another week to do off ice training.

Originally Posted by HomaridII (Post 38092263)

JohnLuTSNMtl John Lu
by BrianWildeCTV
#Habs Markov saw Dr. Andrews in Fla yesterday, will see him again @ end of this week. Playing in October is "out of the question" -- Martin

Originally Posted by Emanresu Wen (Post 38018507)

Will Markov be able to start right away? How is his conditioning? Has he somehow practiced lately?

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38025089)

Nothing adds up right now because we're not given any data to add.

All this speculation/rumour mongering/predictions of doom is the result of the admin's hush-hush attitude towards Markov's health. When you say nothing and keep his condition secret, when you dismiss questions on his return to a simplistic, "He's making progress", then don't be surprised that people will assume the worst. And yes, the team DOES owe it to us, the fans, to feed us updates. It's not like we're voyeurs into someone's personal drama; this is a business that lives and dies on its entertainment value to us. We create the revenue that ultimately pays Markov's salary -- kindly have the respect to give us good news and bad news on a key reason I paid good money for tickets.

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 38025215)

I don't think they owe us anything. I think we are already spoiled as it is. 82 games a year televised, all pre-season games televised....95 reporters covering the team, 20 radio stations(obvious exaggeration).

You've been told enough already. They've reported when he stopped skating, Martin gave an update a few weeks ago giving a rough but very vague approximation. You've recieved news about when he last went to the doctor. You know that he's going to the doctor tomorrow as well. How about you just stay patient and stop acting so spoiled. You're lucky you even get any of this info at all.

Some of you would have died if you'd have to live in the 50s and 60s without internet and tv where communication was slower.

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38025827)

I can only imagine what my clients would say if I used your line on them. "You're spoiled. Be patient. You're lucky I communicated with you last week." Holy crap, what a way to run a business!

Seriously now, whether you recognize it or not, we are the customers of the Habs. They owe us information because, ultimately, they owe us their business. The Montreal Canadiens aren't entitled to our ticket money, nor are they entitled to ad revenue. They command their high prices only as long as we hold them in high regard. You may not remember this, but there were many years in the 90s and early 2000s where the team was NOT doing well, where they had to scramble to sell tickets. Wanted to see a game? There were lots of empty seats to choose from. They spent a fortune marketing themselves to the fans, recreating the organization's image into the user-friendly city-wide phenomenon it is today.

Bottom line: They gave us what we wanted and we bought the product. These are the same rules that apply to any business, ESPECIALLY one in the entertainment industry.

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38025827)

I can only imagine what my clients would say if I used your line on them. "You're spoiled. Be patient. You're lucky I communicated with you last week." Holy crap, what a way to run a business!

Seriously now, whether you recognize it or not, we are the customers of the Habs. They owe us information because, ultimately, they owe us their business. The Montreal Canadiens aren't entitled to our ticket money, nor are they entitled to ad revenue. They command their high prices only as long as we hold them in high regard. You may not remember this, but there were many years in the 90s and early 2000s where the team was NOT doing well, where they had to scramble to sell tickets. Wanted to see a game? There were lots of empty seats to choose from. They spent a fortune marketing themselves to the fans, recreating the organization's image into the user-friendly city-wide phenomenon it is today.

Bottom line: They gave us what we wanted and we bought the product. These are the same rules that apply to any business, ESPECIALLY one in the entertainment industry.

Originally Posted by overlords (Post 38026175)

You buy tickets to see the show. Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't want to support them, don't. Your own example shows that when fans aren't happy, they stop spending money. If you're unhappy and you keep spending it, well that's your problem.

Originally Posted by Commandant (Post 38027011)

Then don't buy tickets anymore... there will be more for me to buy.

The object is to win games... if the team feels that there is an advantage in not letting your opponents know the exact injury status of players (and tons of teams believe this) so be it.

Originally Posted by icerocket (Post 38019209)

Markov will play. Get injured. Never play again.

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38027219)

If it's "nothing more, nothing less", then why is this thread on its second incarnation? Why are so many people obsessing over the state of Andre Markov, rookies in Hamilton, our next coach, etc? Point is, the Montreal Canadiens are FAR more than the 'show'. Or, more accurately, the 'show' is far more than what happens on the ice.

Face it, the reason the organization has prospered even without a Cup is because it figured out how to sell itself as a culture. Before the mid-90s, all they had to do was win Stanley Cup after Stanley Cup. Then the well went dry and so did ticket sales. The on ice product -- the 'show' -- simply wasn't enough anymore because the team simply wasn't that good. So in comes the new admin and voila -- a new marketing philosophy. The Canadiens started marketing individual players, showing up on billboards, showing up at events -- the whole culture thing. And we, the fans, responded.

In fact, we responded so well that some people actually believe it's wrong to have expectations of the organization, that they don't owe us anything. You couldn't be more wrong. The Montreal Canadiens are a sports franchise that uses its rich history as a terrific marketing tool to keep us hooked. They need us more than we need them. See the Montreal Expos for further evidence.

Am I complaining about this manipulative relationship? No, because that's how business works. I'm happy to spend my money on tickets and don't feel used or betrayed -- as long as I'm entertained, which I have been for over 40 years. Please don't pretend that my questioning the brass means a lack of support. If being critical of management means a lack of support, then about 80% of the threads on this board are in the same boat. We've all bought into the hockey culture that exists on the ice, and off, and we're entitled to sound off anyway we want. We're all fans of the team... as long as the team is smart enough to be fans of us.



The first part of your answer is childish.

The second part misses my point. I'm not personally miffed at the organization, I'm just stating the reason why so many people here keep harping on this subject. Look at the number of posts on Markov and ask yourself why so many fans are frustrated and distrustful. The reason, I think, is because the team has created the idea that the team is 'ours', but then goes dark about its biggest star. I tried to explain why you can't consciously create the most loyal fanbase in the league and then withhold information from it. It's a tricky contradiction that can bite you in the ass.

Originally Posted by nyhabsfan (Post 38027919)

I hear Prozac is good for depression. :(

Originally Posted by Bullsmith (Post 38028699)

I think there are lots and lots of business models that prioritize secrecy and release the minimum information possible about product launches in advance of having the product actually ready to launch. In the "entertainment" industry in particular. From major films to the latest iphone, keeping the paying audience fully informed in advance about what's coming it not exactly industry norm. The way the habs are behaving about Markov is textbook, really. Could they do things differently, certainly. Would it sell more tickets? Hell no. Markov will sell tickets if he shows up and fans will rage at the Habs if he doesn't. Playing with our expectations in the meantime is how 990 makes a living, not the CHC.

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38027219)

If it's "nothing more, nothing less", then why is this thread on its second incarnation? Why are so many people obsessing over the state of Andre Markov, rookies in Hamilton, our next coach, etc? Point is, the Montreal Canadiens are FAR more than the 'show'. Or, more accurately, the 'show' is far more than what happens on the ice.

Face it, the reason the organization has prospered even without a Cup is because it figured out how to sell itself as a culture. Before the mid-90s, all they had to do was win Stanley Cup after Stanley Cup. Then the well went dry and so did ticket sales. The on ice product -- the 'show' -- simply wasn't enough anymore because the team simply wasn't that good. So in comes the new admin and voila -- a new marketing philosophy. The Canadiens started marketing individual players, showing up on billboards, showing up at events -- the whole culture thing. And we, the fans, responded.

In fact, we responded so well that some people actually believe it's wrong to have expectations of the organization, that they don't owe us anything. You couldn't be more wrong. The Montreal Canadiens are a sports franchise that uses its rich history as a terrific marketing tool to keep us hooked. They need us more than we need them. See the Montreal Expos for further evidence.

Am I complaining about this manipulative relationship? No, because that's how business works. I'm happy to spend my money on tickets and don't feel used or betrayed -- as long as I'm entertained, which I have been for over 40 years. Please don't pretend that my questioning the brass means a lack of support. If being critical of management means a lack of support, then about 80% of the threads on this board are in the same boat. We've all bought into the hockey culture that exists on the ice, and off, and we're entitled to sound off anyway we want. We're all fans of the team... as long as the team is smart enough to be fans of us.



The first part of your answer is childish.

The second part misses my point. I'm not personally miffed at the organization, I'm just stating the reason why so many people here keep harping on this subject. Look at the number of posts on Markov and ask yourself why so many fans are frustrated and distrustful. The reason, I think, is because the team has created the idea that the team is 'ours', but then goes dark about its biggest star. I tried to explain why you can't consciously create the most loyal fanbase in the league and then withhold information from it. It's a tricky contradiction that can bite you in the ass.

Originally Posted by Bullsmith (Post 38028699)

I think there are lots and lots of business models that prioritize secrecy and release the minimum information possible about product launches in advance of having the product actually ready to launch. In the "entertainment" industry in particular. From major films to the latest iphone, keeping the paying audience fully informed in advance about what's coming it not exactly industry norm. The way the habs are behaving about Markov is textbook, really. Could they do things differently, certainly. Would it sell more tickets? Hell no. Markov will sell tickets if he shows up and fans will rage at the Habs if he doesn't. Playing with our expectations in the meantime is how 990 makes a living, not the CHC.

Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 38029885)

Is this kind of information what the clientbase as a whole actually wants or just a minority of you and some people like you though? This isn't a situation with a small amount of clients that need to be continually appeased according to their demands, this is a clientele of millions whose contribution to the bottom line are based on population dynamics not individual whims.

I don't see an actual impact on the club's revenue streams stemming from dissatisfaction over injury information. And the team has an interest in keeping injury disclosure to a minimum to limit other teams gamesmanship on injuries. There's a reason coaches prefer to limit their briefings to terms like upper/lower body injury. I think the desire to protect their players outweighs your desire to be feel "in the loop."

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 38025215)

You've been told enough already. They've reported when he stopped skating, Martin gave an update a few weeks ago giving a rough but very vague approximation. You've recieved news about when he last went to the doctor. You know that he's going to the doctor tomorrow as well. How about you just stay patient and stop acting so spoiled. You're lucky you even get any of this info at all.

Some of you would have died if you'd have to live in the 50s and 60s without internet and tv where communication was slower.

Originally Posted by macavoy (Post 38031203)

****newsflash*****

This isn't the 50's or 60's, so it doesn't matter what it was like then.

This is the now. The reality is, we didn't get an update or a vague approximation. We got a BS answer that he's on plan but then since then, everyone refuses to answer what is the plan. That isn't an update, that is skirting the issue and not answering.

The reality is, NHL teams are required to report certain things to the media, its part of the NHL rules. So don't claim we are spoiled, we aren't, it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 38025827)

I can only imagine what my clients would say if I used your line on them. "You're spoiled. Be patient. You're lucky I communicated with you last week." Holy crap, what a way to run a business!

Seriously now, whether you recognize it or not, we are the customers of the Habs. They owe us information because, ultimately, they owe us their business. The Montreal Canadiens aren't entitled to our ticket money, nor are they entitled to ad revenue. They command their high prices only as long as we hold them in high regard. You may not remember this, but there were many years in the 90s and early 2000s where the team was NOT doing well, where they had to scramble to sell tickets. Wanted to see a game? There were lots of empty seats to choose from. They spent a fortune marketing themselves to the fans, recreating the organization's image into the user-friendly city-wide phenomenon it is today.

Bottom line: They gave us what we wanted and we bought the product. These are the same rules that apply to any business, ESPECIALLY one in the entertainment industry.

Originally Posted by macavoy (Post 38031203)

****newsflash*****

This isn't the 50's or 60's, so it doesn't matter what it was like then.

This is the now. The reality is, we didn't get an update or a vague approximation. We got a BS answer that he's on plan but then since then, everyone refuses to answer what is the plan. That isn't an update, that is skirting the issue and not answering.

The reality is, NHL teams are required to report certain things to the media, its part of the NHL rules. So don't claim we are spoiled, we aren't, it is what it is.