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Miller Time 10-23-2011 01:48 AM

Blockbuster 3-way: VCR-MTL-TB (Luongo/Lecavalier/Gomez+Cammalleri)
 
the recent VCR Province editorial proposing a Lecavalier-Luongo swap got me thinking...

with Sedin/Kesler (and Hodgson) there is really no way VCR considers adding Lecavalier and his contract... but reading that article got me thinking and i could see a rare 3-way deal making sense for all teams invovled... it's a bit out there, but bear with me:


To Mtl
Lecavalier (7.7M)
Hansen (1.35M)
B.Clark (1.5M)


cap in- 10.55M
cap out- 13.4M
(save ~3M)


To TB
Luongo (5.3M)
Gomez (7.4M)
Ballard (4.2M)
Mtl 2nd


cap in- 16.9M
cap out- 12.7M
(add 4M)


To Vcr
Cammalleri (6M)
Roloson (3.5M)


cap out- 10.85
cap in- 9.5M
(save 1.35M)

rational:

Mtl gets rid of Gomez, while getting the big C long coveted (not to mention french canadian star player not seen since Roy). Clark and Hansen bolster roster depth right now (and re-unites Eller with a fellow dane :naughty: )
cost is being weighed down with Lecavalier's massive deal, and losing playoff stud Cammalleri, but it's the kind of bold move this franchise needs.

TB moves former face of franchise, but gets long-term solution in nets... Luongo is still a premier talent, but his rocky relationship with VCR fans/media, & wife's florida roots might help him welcome move. Gomez is no boon, but does give them a stop-gap 2nd line centre whose actual salary drops in the next two years. Playing behind an offensive dynamo like Stamkos and for a coach seemingly good at reclamation projects could be the spark he needs to return to at least a decent 2nd liner production level. could be a nice fit with Malone/Purcell/Downie as wingers.
Ballard is expensive, but fills a need on D, and again, Boucher's magic could help him get back to Florida level of play (he is only 29). Pick helps ease the "pain" of Gomez/Ballard bloated deals.

VCR moves Lou to make way for Schneider to take over full time, while giving him a solid veteran back-up. Cammalleri (along with Booth addition today) gives them a deadly top-6, and with Schneider the only important contract to deal with in 2012, they have 2-years of a steady cap situation to run with.



I could see TB having reservations about Gomez/Ballard, but getting Luongo might make it worthwhile. IF they really couldn't accept it, as the Habs GM i'd be willing to make it David Desharnais + Spacek instead (and then bury Gomez in the minors until I found somewhere else to move him). DD is not proven as a 2nd line centre, but has been better than Gomez this year and has strong history with Boucher from their time in Hamilton. Spacek is only 1 year, but if the habs are keeping Gomez's contract on the payroll, they'd want to send some money back to TB... Lecavalier the player is great to have, but that contract will be tough to swallow in 4-5-6 years.


thoughts? if you get over the :crazy: of Gomez/Luongo/LEcavalier/Ballard all moving at the same time (all unpleasant contracts), I think it actually gives all 3 teams a lot of what they need, and all three take on a bit of risk...

short-term, all three teams get better in my estimation, and long-term TB/Mtl will have some challenges but a little creative cap juggling should solve things, not too mention the potential for next CBA to allow for some better buy-out flexibility.

MessierII 10-23-2011 01:57 AM

I'm not a fan of any of these teams but I actually think this looks good. Props for even thinking this up.

Lucbourdon 10-23-2011 01:59 AM

Canucks get ass *****

Diamonddog01 10-23-2011 02:00 AM

Huh? Van gets ***** in this deal. Giving up Luongo, Ballard and Hansen for Cammy and and Roloson?

No thanks.

Winroba 10-23-2011 02:00 AM

Canucks say "why?"

luongoisdaman 10-23-2011 02:04 AM

Riight. No way we want to depend on Roloson for half the season, which I expect will be the case if this trade actually happened.

InfinityIggy 10-23-2011 02:06 AM

Van C gets worked over in this deal.

canucksPK 10-23-2011 02:06 AM

No need to trade hansen

Canuckfan4Life2 10-23-2011 02:07 AM

Is this honestly a joke?

Miller Time 10-23-2011 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamonddog01 (Post 38350655)
Huh? Van gets ***** in this deal. Giving up Luongo, Ballard and Hansen for Cammy and and Roloson?

No thanks.

i guess Ballard has redeemed himself significantly since the disaster he was when it mattered last year?

I'd have thought moving the 9.5M$ locked up long-term in 2 redundant players, combined with adding a goal scorer who has proven to be reliable in the playoffs, would be welcomed by Nucks fans.

Personally I think Luongo is still a top notch guy, but it's pretty clear that his situation is shaky at best in the city... you don't carry your team to game 7 of the cup finals (being touted as a conn smythe candidate until the final round), and then get jeered 5 games in to the season if things are going well.

Is 10 more years of that really possible, if only for his own sanity? and how many other teams would be willing to pick up that kind of extended contract, other than a team who would be moving their own ridiculously long contract :dunno:

the 1.35M savings on the cap would also be of considerable value to a cap strapped team clearly built for another cup run, allowing them to add a depth player or two near the deadline.


heck, i'd have added a pick or a prospect to VCR's side of the equation, but frankly I consider them to be making out the best in this deal as it is.

MessierII 10-23-2011 02:12 AM

I don't think Van gets fleeced as much as they think. Roloson and Cammi are both big performers in the playoffs something Luongo is not.

Miller Time 10-23-2011 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luongoisdaman (Post 38350747)
Riight. No way we want to depend on Roloson for half the season, which I expect will be the case if this trade actually happened.

why is that? is schneider not ready for #1 duties in your opinion?

I thought watching him last year that he looked primed for a #1 spot.

If Luongo doesn't get moved, hard to see him staying in VCR, he's going to want a chance to start, and the nucks won't have the cap space to re-sign him anyhow...


do nucks fans really want to stick with Luongo, over schneider, if given the opportunity to move Lou?

I'm surprised...

JuniorNelson 10-23-2011 02:15 AM

Gillis won't trade for an old man like Roloson. He signs them during the offseason.

lvlf 10-23-2011 02:17 AM

Ballard has been one of the best, if not the best, defenseman as of now. Our defense would be terrible after this.


And we give up to much

Blane Youngblood 10-23-2011 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 38350907)
I don't think Van gets fleeced as much as they think. Roloson and Cammi are both big performers in the playoffs something Luongo is not.

I love how that's common opinion but Lu has made it as far as Roloson and has actually won things (Olympics, World Championships, QMJHL titles) while Roloson has won jack ****.

MessierII 10-23-2011 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blane Youngblood (Post 38351029)
I love how that's common opinion but Lu has made it as far as Roloson and has actually won things (Olympics, World Championships, QMJHL titles) while Roloson has won jack ****.

Roloson would have won a cup and maybe a Conn Smyth if he didn't get hurt. He definately never got blown out and embarrassed.

Winroba 10-23-2011 02:22 AM

Vancouver wants nothing to do with this

Rschmitz 10-23-2011 02:27 AM

Was a bad idea when the Province suggested it, still a bad idea when a third team is included.

keslehr* 10-23-2011 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 38350389)
the recent VCR Province editorial proposing a Lecavalier-Luongo swap got me thinking...

with Sedin/Kesler (and Hodgson) there is really no way VCR considers adding Lecavalier and his contract... but reading that article got me thinking and i could see a rare 3-way deal making sense for all teams invovled... it's a bit out there, but bear with me:


To Mtl
Lecavalier (7.7M)
Hansen (1.35M)
B.Clark (1.5M)


cap in- 10.55M
cap out- 13.4M
(save ~3M)


To TB
Luongo (5.3M)
Gomez (7.4M)
Ballard (4.2M)
Mtl 2nd


cap in- 16.9M
cap out- 12.7M
(add 4M)


To Vcr
Cammalleri (6M)
Roloson (3.5M)


cap out- 10.85
cap in- 9.5M
(save 1.35M)

rational:

Mtl gets rid of Gomez, while getting the big C long coveted (not to mention french canadian star player not seen since Roy). Clark and Hansen bolster roster depth right now (and re-unites Eller with a fellow dane :naughty: )
cost is being weighed down with Lecavalier's massive deal, and losing playoff stud Cammalleri, but it's the kind of bold move this franchise needs.

TB moves former face of franchise, but gets long-term solution in nets... Luongo is still a premier talent, but his rocky relationship with VCR fans/media, & wife's florida roots might help him welcome move. Gomez is no boon, but does give them a stop-gap 2nd line centre whose actual salary drops in the next two years. Playing behind an offensive dynamo like Stamkos and for a coach seemingly good at reclamation projects could be the spark he needs to return to at least a decent 2nd liner production level. could be a nice fit with Malone/Purcell/Downie as wingers.
Ballard is expensive, but fills a need on D, and again, Boucher's magic could help him get back to Florida level of play (he is only 29). Pick helps ease the "pain" of Gomez/Ballard bloated deals.

Canucks get boned.
Tampa loses Lecavalier and replaces the subseqeunt gaping hole in their top-6 with Gomez?
Montreal is laughing all the way to the bank, getting a #1 center and capspace.

Terrible proposal there, OP.

Avs44 10-23-2011 02:37 AM

Montreal makes out like bandits here. Vancouver gets destroyed. Way to downgrade goaltending, defense, and get an expensive winger they don't need. Oh, and they also give up Hansen

Jrtu 10-23-2011 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 38350603)
I'm not a fan of any of these teams but I actually think this looks good. Props for even thinking this up.

Which explains why you would think this looks good
:shakehead

Halpysback* 10-23-2011 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luongoisdaman (Post 38350747)
Riight. No way we want to depend on Roloson for half the season, which I expect will be the case if this trade actually happened.

Schneider?

Tampa gets beaten over the head in the crowbar, everyone else does OK.

Qward 10-23-2011 02:46 AM

VCR?

It's VAN around here Mister!




Also would have accepted "The most hated team in the NHL"

debonair399 10-23-2011 02:55 AM

Why involve Montreal in this deal at all? They bring nothing to the table here.

If Van wanted to trade Luongo for a forward, they would much rather have Lecavalier than Cammalleri (and without having to lose Hansen).

If Tampa wanted a goalie, they would much rather do it without having to take on awful contracts like Gomez and Ballard.

A simple Lecavalier-Luongo swap would accomplish this.

The only rationale for this 3-way deal is to help improve your favorite team, the Habs, at the expense of both Tampa and Van.

Mathew Barzal 10-23-2011 02:58 AM

Even though I hate Luongo with a passion I have to look at this realistically and say HELL NO.


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