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ZMan17 10-25-2011 09:16 PM

Where is the life?
 
So I just watched the end of the Lightning-Sabres game, and despite the fact that they lost, this Sabres team was the complete antithesis of the Isles. In the 3rd period alone, this team was agressive on all lines, had great chemistry and puck movement, was winning battles in the corners, and even after the Lightning went up 4-2 with less than 2 minutes left, they fought back and scored with :45 left to make it 4-3, and put a ton of pressure on Garon (who has been INCREDIBLE lately, but that's beside the fact).

The entire time I was just wishing that our team could show ANY of these things. The aggressiveness, the chemistry and the never-say-die attitude that the Sabres showed tonight is exactly what we gotta be. Buffalo isn't a team full of star-studded players (Miller, Vanek, Myers...) but nor are we. We don't really need a bunch of all-stars, but if we play like they did we will be winning games or making ourselves a tough opponent, no doubt. Only problem is, where is this fire and life in us?

Islanderfan17 10-25-2011 09:40 PM

I was literally just about to post a thread with the SAME title and the SAME reasoning behind it. I completely agree, I watch other teams and I see teams that WANT to win. I say teams that, even when they lose, GO DOWN FIGHTING! With this team I see absolutely none of that and quite frankly it sickens me. There is absolutely no fight in this team WHATSOEVER! What do I think the problem is? I think we have way too many guys on this team who have no confidence in themselves and are mentally WEAK. Guys like Josh Bailey, Blake Comeau, Kyle Okposo, Brian Rolston (Don't care if he's a vet, he isn't gritty at all) and so on and so forth.

What is my solution at this point? Well, if we can't make a trade for a good player and dump some of our "weaker minded" players as I like to call them, then DIP INTO OUR FARM SYSTEM! We have quite a few young guys from Bridgeport that come to mind who are talented, gritty, and hungry for a shot in the NHL. That's the exact kind of attitude we NEED right now, we need guys on this team who WANT to prove something rather than guys that are just going to sit along for the ride. Replace Josh Bailey with Casey Cizikas, a kid who is known to be a gritty and hard working player. What about Ullstrom? De Haan? Ness? MICHAEL HALEY?!

This team needs some god damn jump to their game, that's the ONLY problem I see. There is no compete level outside of our goalies, John Tavares, and the fourth friggen line! It's sad but true.

I'm currently thinking of what other teams to follow this season, because there is no way I can only watch the Islander games and stay sane. NOT with a team like this, NOT with a team that has a complete lack of heart and grit to their game. I can support a team that is losing but trying to do everything they can to win, but I cannot support a team that is filled with a bunch of completely unenthusiastic/motivated hockey players. It sickens me and gives me a headache (Literally, I had a headache sitting at the game tonight).

Sammy2010* 10-25-2011 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Islanderfan17 (Post 38481665)
I was literally just about to post a thread with the SAME title and the SAME reasoning behind it. I completely agree, I watch other teams and I see teams that WANT to win. I say teams that, even when they lose, GO DOWN FIGHTING!

I have noticed the same thing. Do you think any of it has something to do that there is no real demand to win from the owner or management?

Symon Asher 10-26-2011 07:30 AM

The life left with Z and Haley at the Bridge

Brunomics 10-26-2011 07:33 AM

Grabner/Moulson/Okposo are all suffering from the new contract hangover. None of them want to play in the dirty areas of the rink. Moulson isn't even going to the net really anymore, Grabner is floating still looking for breakways and Okposo would get bullied by a midget player if given the chance. Comeau is the half wit of hockey, Rolston is playing out his last year and Nielsen is thinking the game too much.

Capuano needs to bag skate this team today, no pucks just a punishment skate for the pathetic start to this season.

NYI78 10-26-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Islanderfan17 (Post 38481665)
I was literally just about to post a thread with the SAME title and the SAME reasoning behind it. I completely agree, I watch other teams and I see teams that WANT to win. I say teams that, even when they lose, GO DOWN FIGHTING! With this team I see absolutely none of that and quite frankly it sickens me. There is absolutely no fight in this team WHATSOEVER! What do I think the problem is? I think we have way too many guys on this team who have no confidence in themselves and are mentally WEAK. Guys like Josh Bailey, Blake Comeau, Kyle Okposo, Brian Rolston (Don't care if he's a vet, he isn't gritty at all) and so on and so forth.

What is my solution at this point? Well, if we can't make a trade for a good player and dump some of our "weaker minded" players as I like to call them, then DIP INTO OUR FARM SYSTEM! We have quite a few young guys from Bridgeport that come to mind who are talented, gritty, and hungry for a shot in the NHL. That's the exact kind of attitude we NEED right now, we need guys on this team who WANT to prove something rather than guys that are just going to sit along for the ride. Replace Josh Bailey with Casey Cizikas, a kid who is known to be a gritty and hard working player. What about Ullstrom? De Haan? Ness? MICHAEL HALEY?!

This team needs some god damn jump to their game, that's the ONLY problem I see. There is no compete level outside of our goalies, John Tavares, and the fourth friggen line! It's sad but true.

I'm currently thinking of what other teams to follow this season, because there is no way I can only watch the Islander games and stay sane. NOT with a team like this, NOT with a team that has a complete lack of heart and grit to their game. I can support a team that is losing but trying to do everything they can to win, but I cannot support a team that is filled with a bunch of completely unenthusiastic/motivated hockey players. It sickens me and gives me a headache (Literally, I had a headache sitting at the game tonight).

the only person you can make a case for calling up is haley...no one else down their is anywhere close to being ready

Wedregast 10-26-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38482355)
I have noticed the same thing. Do you think any of it has something to do that there is no real demand to win from the owner or management?

They are professional athletes. Management shouldn't have to demand they win. If they don't have that desire already they won't remain professional athletes for long.

Brunomics 10-26-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NYI78 (Post 38499337)
the only person you can make a case for calling up is haley...no one else down their is anywhere close to being ready

After seeing his stints up here and down in the Bridge I'm starting to think Dibenedetto deserves a shot up with the club. He may not fight but he's physical and can play the game.

Words Of Wisdom 10-26-2011 09:25 AM

I agree this team shows no heart. It seems like they dont care if they lose... But maybe the islanders are just not a good team, or maybe their coach is not a legit NHL Coach..

NYI78 10-26-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Brunomics (Post 38500067)
After seeing his stints up here and down in the Bridge I'm starting to think Dibenedetto deserves a shot up with the club. He may not fight but he's physical and can play the game.

the only time he is physical is after the whistle blows and someone is looking the other way, he has played well but he is not a physical

Brunomics 10-26-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NYI78 (Post 38500217)
the only time he is physical is after the whistle blows and someone is looking the other way, he has played well but he is not a physical

That would make him the second toughest player on the Isles though.

When he had his stint up here I thought he played physical not Matt Martin physicial but he would do what he had to in the corners, go to the net, things like that which this team has none of.

Sneekypete 10-26-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NYI78 (Post 38500217)
the only time he is physical is after the whistle blows and someone is looking the other way, he has played well but he is not a physical

I agree, what Dibo is famous for though is taking jabs after a whistle , starting scrums. He has drawn a few penalties by doing this.

NineHoleGoal 10-26-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sneekypete (Post 38500577)
I agree, what Dibo is famous for though is taking jabs after a whistle , starting scrums. He has drawn a few penalties by doing this.

I think Dibo is also a relentless fore-checker and he does go hard to the net.

Sammy2010* 10-26-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wedregast (Post 38500011)
They are professional athletes. Management shouldn't have to demand they win. If they don't have that desire already they won't remain professional athletes for long.

On the Island they will. Failure is clearly no big deal to this management.

Homeland Security 10-26-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38501547)
On the Island they will. Failure is clearly no big deal to this management.

That's bull and you know it. Garth or Wang do not go home at night and say "Oh Great we lost again!"
"How can we find more ways to lose?"
"Maybe instead of 5 skaters we'll just skate 2 or 3 because we really really want to lose!!!"
"Hell, maybe we won't even show up and just forfeit!"

Come on.



:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

Wedregast 10-26-2011 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38501547)
On the Island they will. Failure is clearly no big deal to this management.

It might be true, if it made even the slightest bit of sense, which it doesn't. :shakehead

Doshell Propivo 10-26-2011 10:52 AM

Pssst.... Perhaps it is this little thing called talent. Which this team clearly lacks. The Islanders are playing up to their potential and up to realistic expectations. It IS still early and anything can happen but I'm amazed that people who follow the team so closely are surprised by the play so far.

They just ain't that good. And having the coach "punish" the team (:shakehead) will accomplish nothing. This isn't a high school team. Neither will bringing in a new coach (took you guys long enough to start the "fire the coach" cry).

This team is a hodgepodge of neophytes, overachieving one dimensional rejects, aging 3rd tier FA's and AHL fodder. It is what it is.

They are 12th in the conference. To the objective observer, things are right on track.

Sammy2010* 10-26-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 Min Misconduct (Post 38501773)
That's bull and you know it. Garth or Wang do not go home at night and say "Oh Great we lost again!"
"How can we find more ways to lose?"
"Maybe instead of 5 skaters we'll just skate 2 or 3 because we really really want to lose!!!"
"Hell, maybe we won't even show up and just forfeit!"

Come on.



:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

It is not bull, and you SHOULD know it. What they are doing is not working, yet they continue with the same failed game plan. More proof is how long Wang kept MM around for. Wang and now Snow just do not care.

Sammy2010* 10-26-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Wedregast (Post 38502065)
It might be true, if it made even the slightest bit of sense, which it doesn't. :shakehead

Are you actually implying there is a real demand to win from Wang/Snow? :laugh::laugh:

What they are doing is not working, yet they continue with the same failed game plan. More proof is how long Wang kept MM around for. Wang and now Snow just do not care.

number72 10-26-2011 11:31 AM

I think Dipietro sucked the life out of the team the day he got injured. Sigh!

scott99 10-26-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Doshell Propivo (Post 38502959)
Pssst.... Perhaps it is this little thing called talent. Which this team clearly lacks. The Islanders are playing up to their potential and up to realistic expectations. It IS still early and anything can happen but I'm amazed that people who follow the team so closely are surprised by the play so far.

They just ain't that good. And having the coach "punish" the team (:shakehead) will accomplish nothing. This isn't a high school team. Neither will bringing in a new coach (took you guys long enough to start the "fire the coach" cry).

This team is a hodgepodge of neophytes, overachieving one dimensional rejects, aging 3rd tier FA's and AHL fodder. It is what it is.

They are 12th in the conference. To the objective observer, things are right on track.

I agree with the talent comment to a certain extent. Beyond Tavares, Streit, Moulson, Grabner & Hamonic (maybe Macdonald too), this team is lacking NHL talent. Nielsen is a fine 3rd line center, and Okposo is a fine 3rd line wing. Montoya and Nabakov are playing very well, Montoya has proven to me he is a starting NHL goaltender, as has Nabakov. Though neither are elite goalies.

We knew this going into the season though. Talent wise, this is not, or will never be a playoff team. Injuries aside last year, they just don't have the talent pool to match up with other playoff teams. And signing Staois, Pandolfo and Reasoner aren't going to get you over the hump to get them into the playoffs, all well past their primes, and have not added leadership.

Until the owner adds meaningful talent to this team, via free agency, or trades, this team will be bottom feeders. Its a vicious cycle though, good team=more fans attending=more money to put back into the team, poor team=less fans showing up=no money being put into the team. I get what they are trying to do with youth, but you need talent+grit, and a good defense. Only Streit, Hamonic and MacDonald would get playing time on other teams. The rest of our defense is below average. Also, this team is missing heart, outside of Tavares, Hamonic and Martin, I don't see guys playing with heart.

Islanderfan17 10-26-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scott99 (Post 38504749)
I agree with the talent to a certain extent. Beyond Tavares, Streit, Moulson, Grabner & Hamonic (maybe Macdonald too), this team is lacking NHL talent. Nielsen is a fine 3rd line center, ans Okposo is a fine 3rd line wing. Montoya and Nabakov are plying very well, Montoya has proven to me he is a starting NHL goaltender, as has Nabakov. Though neither are elite goalies.

We knew this going into the season though. Talent wise, this is not, or will never be a playoff team. Injuries aside last year, they just don't have the talent pool to match up with other playoff teams. And signing Staois, Pandolfo and Reasoner aren't going to get you over the hump to get them into the playoffs, all well past their primes, and have not added leadership.

Until the owner adds meaningful talent to this team, via free agency, or trades, this team will be bottom feeders. Its a vicious cycle though, good team=more fans attending=more money to put back into the team, poor team=less fans showing up=no money being put into the team. I get what they are trying to do with youth, but you need talent+grit, and a good defense. Only Streit, Hamonic and MacDonald would get playing time on other teams. The rest of our defense is below average.

I completely agree with all of the above. Sadly, if this is how they are going to be this season then both me and my father have agreed it'll be our last as season ticket holders. One thing I cannot tolerate is a team that doesn't have much of a compete level, I don't ask for much from my sports teams but putting in a damn good effort is one of them and if that's not even happening then I become very dissatisfied.

Time to start also following a couple of Western Conference Teams to keep myself sane and to keep hockey fresh and fun, cause right now the Isles are killing me :(

Doshell Propivo 10-26-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Islanderfan17 (Post 38505065)
I completely agree with all of the above. Sadly, if this is how they are going to be this season then both me and my father have agreed it'll be our last as season ticket holders. One thing I cannot tolerate is a team that doesn't have much of a compete level, I don't ask for much from my sports teams but putting in a damn good effort is one of them and if that's not even happening then I become very dissatisfied.

Time to start also following a couple of Western Conference Teams to keep myself sane and to keep hockey fresh and fun, cause right now the Isles are killing me :(

I don't mean this with ANY disrespect but why did you buy seasons this year? Were you expecting a better product and better results when you looked at the lineup in September?

Homeland Security 10-26-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38503681)
It is not bull, and you SHOULD know it. What they are doing is not working, yet they continue with the same failed game plan. More proof is how long Wang kept MM around for. Wang and now Snow just do not care.

Your going to use MM as your logic? If so, I am done discussing this with you. NO ONE goes home at night happy about losing regardless of the strategy that is being employed.

Sammy2010* 10-26-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 Min Misconduct (Post 38507259)
Your going to use MM as your logic? If so, I am done discussing this with you. NO ONE goes home at night happy about losing regardless of the strategy that is being employed.

Did you miss this part? "What they are doing is not working, yet they continue with the same failed game plan."

I also did not say they are happy about it. I said they do not just do not care. So please stick to what I said. FACT is that Wang and Snow NEVER get outraged over losing. They NEVER demand better. There is a a laid back, nothing matters attitude on the Island. Even from many of the fans.


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