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Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 09:19 AM

Best "half seasons"
 
I compiled some of the best "half seasons" in recent memory from game logs at HR.com. I did these rather quickly in my head, so there are likely mistakes or omissions. Feel free to correct such.

Some of the best 41+ game streaks from 1994-2012:
#PlayerYearGmsGAPtsPPG
1 Lemieux 1996 41 45 64 109 2.66
2 Jagr 1996 42 36 51 87 2.07
3 Francis 1996 41 20 57 77 1.88
4 Lemieux 1997 41 31 46 77 1.88
5 Gretzky 1994 46 22 64 86 1.87
6 Jagr 2001 45 33 51 84 1.87
7 Crosby 2007 42 23 53 76 1.81
8 Jagr 2000 41 33 40 73 1.78
9 Lemieux 2001 43 35 41 76 1.77
10 Fedorov 1994 42 32 42 74 1.76
11 Lindros 1997 43 29 44 73 1.70
12 Lemieux 2003 43 20 53 73 1.70
13 Ovechkin 2010 52 42 46 88 1.69
14 Thornton 2006 44 17 57 74 1.68
15 Selanne 1999 41 31 37 68 1.66
16 Bure 1994 43 43 28 71 1.65
17 Forsberg 2003 45 20 54 74 1.64
18 Jagr 1997 44 41 31 72 1.64
19 Jagr 1999 52 27 58 85 1.63
20 Lindros 1995 42 28 40 68 1.62
21 Lindros 1996 47 36 40 76 1.62
22 Crosby 2011 41 32 34 66 1.61
23 Ovechkin 2008 41 36 30 66 1.61
24 Lindros 1999 41 25 41 66 1.61
25 Kovalchuk 2006 41 34 32 66 1.61
26 Thornton 2007 51 14 68 82 1.61
27 Alfredsson 2006 44 32 38 70 1.59
28 Neely 1994 44 50 20 70 1.59
29 Jagr 2006 44 30 40 70 1.59
30 Sakic 2001 62 44 54 98 1.58
31 Malkin 2009 42 17 49 66 1.57
32 Selanne 1996 42 22 44 66 1.57
33 Fedorov 1996 41 23 41 64 1.56
34 Kariya 1997 43 28 39 67 1.56
35 Lindros 1994 51 36 43 79 1.55
36 Malkin 2008 42 33 32 65 1.55
37 Jagr 1998 41 22 41 63 1.54
38 Malkin 2012 41 33 31 63 1.54
39 Crosby 2010 55 39 45 84 1.53
40 Alfredsson 2008 42 29 35 64 1.52
41 Selanne 1997 42 32 32 64 1.52
42 Ovechkin 2009 66 53 47 100 1.52
43 Forsberg 1996 41 16 46 62 1.51
44 Sakic 1996 41 23 39 62 1.51
45 SedinH 2010 41 13 49 62 1.51
46 Yzerman 1994 41 19 43 62 1.51
47 LeClair 1997 46 34 35 69 1.50
48 Ovechkin 2006 44 32 34 66 1.50
49 Iginla 2007 47 28 42 70 1.49
50 Oates 1994 43 19 45 64 1.49
51 Forsberg 2006 41 15 46 61 1.49
52 Gretzky 1996 41 12 49 61 1.49
53 Thornton 2003 41 26 35 61 1.49
54 St. Louis 2007 41 28 33 61 1.49
55 Jagr 1995 41 28 33 61 1.49
56 LeClair 1999 42 29 33 62 1.48
57 Forsberg 2001 41 15 45 60 1.46
58 Stamkos 2010 42 30 28 58 1.45
59 Bure 2001 41 38 21 59 1.44
60 Sakic 2000 42 22 38 60 1.43
61 Gretzky 1997 41 16 42 58 1.41
62 Bure 2000 46 40 25 65 1.41
63 Elias 2001 41 24 33 57 1.39
64 Forsberg 1998 41 16 39 55 1.34
65 Forsberg 2004 41 18 37 55 1.34
66 Forsberg 1999 44 15 43 58 1.32
67 Gretzky 1998 41 12 42 54 1.32
68 Forsberg 2001 66 27 59 86 1.30

Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 09:25 AM

Some of the best adjusted streaks from 1994-2012:

#PlayerYearGmsPPG
1 Lemieux 1996 41 2.54
2 Jagr 2001 45 2.01
3 Jagr 1996 42 1.98
4 Lemieux 1997 41 1.94
5 Jagr 2000 41 1.94
6 Lemieux 2001 43 1.90
7 Lemieux 2003 43 1.89
8 Selanne 1999 41 1.88
9 Jagr 1999 52 1.85
10 Forsberg 2003 45 1.83
11 Lindros 1999 41 1.82
12 Crosby 2007 42 1.82
13 Ovechkin 2010 52 1.80
14 Francis 1996 41 1.80
15 Lindros 1997 43 1.76
16 Jagr 1998 41 1.76
17 Ovechkin 2008 41 1.75
18 Crosby 2011 41 1.74
19 Gretzky 1994 46 1.74
20 Malkin 2012 41 1.73
21 Sakic 2001 62 1.70
22 Jagr 1997 44 1.69
23 Malkin 2008 42 1.68
24 LeClair 1999 42 1.67
25 Thornton 2003 41 1.66
26 Alfredsson 2008 42 1.65
27 Fedorov 1994 42 1.64
28 Lindros 1995 42 1.63
29 Crosby 2010 55 1.62
30 Thornton 2006 44 1.62
31 Kariya 1997 43 1.61
32 Thornton 2007 51 1.61
33 Malkin 2009 42 1.61
34 SedinH 2010 41 1.59
35 Selanne 1997 42 1.58
36 Forsberg 2001 41 1.57
37 Kovalchuk 2006 41 1.57
38 Ovechkin 2009 66 1.57
39 Bure 2001 41 1.56
40 Sakic 2000 42 1.55
41 LeClair 1997 46 1.55
42 Alfredsson 2006 44 1.55
43 Lindros 1996 47 1.55
44 Forsberg 2004 41 1.55
45 Jagr 2006 44 1.54
46 Bure 2000 46 1.54
47 Forsberg 1998 41 1.54
48 Bure 1994 43 1.53
49 St. Louis 2007 41 1.51
50 Gretzky 1998 41 1.51
51 Iginla 2007 47 1.51
52 Selanne 1996 42 1.50
53 Jagr 1995 41 1.50
54 Elias 2001 41 1.50
55 Fedorov 1996 41 1.49
56 Forsberg 1999 44 1.49
57 Neely 1994 44 1.47
58 Stamkos 2010 42 1.47
59 Gretzky 1997 41 1.47
60 Stamkos 2012 41 1.47
61 Selanne 1998 46 1.46
62 Ovechkin 2006 44 1.46
63 Forsberg 1996 41 1.45
64 Sakic 1996 41 1.45
65 Jagr 2002 41 1.44
66 Lindros 1994 51 1.44
67 Forsberg 2006 41 1.43
68 Gretzky 1996 41 1.42
69 Elias 2000 43 1.42

Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 09:27 AM

Some of the best to start the season:

Lemieux 1996 41 45 64 109 2.66
Jagr 1996 42 36 51 87 2.07
Francis 1996 41 20 57 77 1.88
Lemieux 1997 41 29 45 74 1.80
Jagr 2000 41 33 40 73 1.78
Lemieux 2001 43 35 41 76 1.77
Gretzky 1994 41 16 54 70 1.71
Ovechkin 2010 52 42 46 88 1.69
Lemieux 2003 41 20 48 68 1.66
Crosby 2007 41 23 45 68 1.66
Jagr 1997 44 41 31 72 1.64
Jagr 1999 52 27 58 85 1.63
Crosby 2011 41 32 34 66 1.61
Kovalchuk 2006 41 34 32 66 1.61
Alfredsson 2006 44 32 38 70 1.59
Neely 1994 44 50 20 70 1.59
Lindros 1995 41 25 40 65 1.59
Lindros 1996 41 29 35 64 1.56
Jagr 2006 42 27 38 65 1.55
Yzerman 1994 41 19 43 62 1.51
Oates 1994 43 19 45 64 1.49
Lindros 1997 41 22 39 61 1.49
Jagr 1995 41 28 33 61 1.49
Forsberg 2006 41 15 46 61 1.49
Selanne 1999 54 34 45 79 1.46

Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 09:30 AM

And some of the best to start the season, simply adjusted:

Lemieux 1996 41 45 64 109 2.54
Jagr 1996 42 36 51 87 1.98
Jagr 2000 41 33 40 73 1.94
Lemieux 2001 43 35 41 76 1.90
Lemieux 1997 41 29 45 74 1.87
Jagr 1999 52 27 58 85 1.85
Lemieux 2003 41 20 48 68 1.85
Ovechkin 2010 52 42 46 88 1.80
Francis 1996 41 20 57 77 1.80
Crosby 2011 41 32 34 66 1.74
Jagr 1997 44 41 31 72 1.69
Crosby 2007 41 23 45 68 1.67
Selanne 1999 54 34 45 79 1.66
Lindros 1995 41 25 40 65 1.60
Gretzky 1994 41 16 54 70 1.59
Kovalchuk 2006 41 34 32 66 1.57
Alfredsson 2006 44 32 38 70 1.55
Lindros 1997 41 22 39 61 1.54
Jagr 2006 42 27 38 65 1.50
Jagr 1995 41 28 33 61 1.50
Lindros 1996 41 29 35 64 1.49
Neely 1994 44 50 20 70 1.47
Selanne 1998 46 37 22 59 1.46
Forsberg 2006 41 15 46 61 1.43
Yzerman 1994 41 19 43 62 1.40
Forsberg 2001 66 27 59 86 1.40
Oates 1994 43 19 45 64 1.38
Forsberg 1999 41 12 37 49 1.35
Bure 1998 41 25 22 47 1.31

Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 09:58 AM

Forgot to mention that only one streak per season per player.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-29-2011 12:27 PM

If your point is that Crosby's 2011 actually wasn't all that impressive in the grand scheme of things, you've done a good job. Ovechkin's 2010 was better from a pure offensive standpoint before he got suspended. Crosby's 2007 looks more impressive too.

Crosby was just "lucky" enough to get injured, so his season-long PPG looks better.

Czech Your Math 10-29-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 38657501)
If your point is that Crosby's 2011 actually wasn't all that impressive in the grand scheme of things, you've done a good job. Ovechkin's 2010 was better from a pure offensive standpoint before he got suspended. Crosby's 2007 looks more impressive too.

Crosby was just "lucky" enough to get injured, so his season-long PPG looks better.

Not really my point, but did the research in response to that claim.

Actually, he has two excellent half seasons, just not quite as unusual as some seem to believe.

crobro 10-30-2011 12:32 AM

the 40 game esa tikkanen played with the canucks following reconstructive knee sergury were amazing

he plyed the power play point and ran the point on the canucks pp

averaged a point a game during very very low scoring era


might have been the best player in the nhl during that 40 game strech

JSmith81x 10-30-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crobro (Post 38705767)
the 40 game esa tikkanen played with the canucks following reconstructive knee sergury were amazing

he plyed the power play point and ran the point on the canucks pp

averaged a point a game during very very low scoring era


might have been the best player in the nhl during that 40 game strech

1995-96 - Esa Tikkanen, 37 points in 38 games w/ VAN.

Wasn't a low-scoring season at all. Half the league averaged at least three goals a game, w/ Pittsburgh getting almost four and a half a game. Mario Lemieux had 161 points. Twelve players topped 100 points, and two more had 99. It was two years later when scoring dropped like a rock.

bassassin 10-30-2011 04:06 AM

Lecavalier 2007 42GP 28G 34A 62P 1.48PPG

MadLuke 10-30-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 38657501)
If your point is that Crosby's 2011 actually wasn't all that impressive in the grand scheme of things, you've done a good job. Ovechkin's 2010 was better from a pure offensive standpoint before he got suspended. Crosby's 2007 looks more impressive too.

Crosby was just "lucky" enough to get injured, so his season-long PPG looks better.

Why ? less ppg, much less gpg, was winning less than 50% of faceoff, over 55% in 2011.

in 2011 70% of Crosby points were at even strenght, in 2007 51%.

In 2011 Crosby was +20 in 41 game, in 2007 +10 in 82 game.

I think 2011 was the first season that Crosby was obviously better than the Crosby before any injury of 2007, not just in the all-around game.

jepjepjoo 10-30-2011 01:51 PM

Selanne had 51 goals 87 points in the last 50gp in 92-93. 50 in 50 kind of :)

SidGenoMario 10-30-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 38657501)
If your point is that Crosby's 2011 actually wasn't all that impressive in the grand scheme of things, you've done a good job. Ovechkin's 2010 was better from a pure offensive standpoint before he got suspended. Crosby's 2007 looks more impressive too.

Crosby was just "lucky" enough to get injured, so his season-long PPG looks better.

The reason Crosby's 2010 WAS that impressive is because he dominated every inch of the ice, showing a dedication to defense and better overall play that he hadn't shown yet in his career. It was the most consistently dominant I'd seen any player play in my entire life, points be damned.

Fred Taylor 10-30-2011 07:49 PM

Lemieux in 2003 is astounding. 37 years old, injury riddled, and had played only 67 games in the previous 5 and a half years... on a lottery team. I can't find a word, or words to explain that.

Supreme King 11-02-2011 09:17 PM

First 40 games of the season

Gretzky '82- 50g-58a-108p
Gretzky '83- 30g-65a-95p
Gretzky'84- 43g-74a-117p
Gretzky'85- 42g-73a-115p
Gretzky'86- 28g-75a-103p
Gretzky'87- 40g-58a-98p
Gretzky'88- 31g-62a-93p
Lemieux'89-47g-66a-113p
Lemiuex'93- 40g-64a-104p

clefty 11-02-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Taylor (Post 38736381)
Lemieux in 2003 is astounding. 37 years old, injury riddled, and had played only 67 games in the previous 5 and a half years... on a lottery team. I can't find a word, or words to explain that.

Its a shame Kovalev was traded, Straka was injured and Morozov, who for the first time didn't look like an over hyped waste of space, was also injured long term. He started off playing with an outrageous powerplay that was working at over 30% pretty far long into the season (like, November-December) and a productive line, but post trades and injuries, and post Mikael Samuelsson failing miserably on his wing, Mario went down the stretch with Guillaume Lefebvre on his left wing and Eric Meloche on his right. It was a line sarcastically dubbed The French Connection.

So unfortunately, he 'only' went at about point per game his last 25 games or so, coupled with him taking games off to rest his back, and Forsberg on a career year, it was enough to drop him out of Art Ross contention after having a huge lead at one point. But his first 40 games was the last little period we ever saw of unbridled dominance we saw that hearkened back to 80s and 90s.

overpass 11-02-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 38657501)
If your point is that Crosby's 2011 actually wasn't all that impressive in the grand scheme of things, you've done a good job. Ovechkin's 2010 was better from a pure offensive standpoint before he got suspended. Crosby's 2007 looks more impressive too.

Crosby was just "lucky" enough to get injured, so his season-long PPG looks better.

Crosby's first 60 games of 2007 was extremely impressive. But he was a much better and more complete player in 2011.

If the Penguins had a decent power play in 2011, and if Crosby had fewer defensive responsibilities as in 2007, his 2011 stats might have reflected his improved play.

MadLuke 11-02-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme King (Post 38878203)
First 40 games of the season

Gretzky '82- 50g-58a-108p
Gretzky '83- 30g-65a-95p
Gretzky'84- 43g-74a-117p
Gretzky'85- 42g-73a-115p
Gretzky'86- 28g-75a-103p
Gretzky'87- 40g-58a-98p
Gretzky'88- 31g-62a-93p
Lemieux'89-47g-66a-113p
Lemiuex'93- 40g-64a-104p

In a world that these 2 did not have existed, pretending that it should be possible for the best hockey player to have those kind of production would be considered a joke imo, the Lafleur/Jagr/Bossy type of production would be considered the max. Ridiculous.

TheDevilMadeMe 11-03-2011 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overpass (Post 38879459)
Crosby's first 60 games of 2007 was extremely impressive. But he was a much better and more complete player in 2011.

If the Penguins had a decent power play in 2011, and if Crosby had fewer defensive responsibilities as in 2007, his 2011 stats might have reflected his improved play.

Crosby was definitely more complete in 2010-11 and a better overall player. But people talk about it being some kind of transcendent season for him, and I just don't get it - not when his offense at least didn't stand out from seasons other players had in previous years. I agree that he was quite a bit better overall during his streak than he was in 2007 or Ovechkin was in 2010, but not to the point that people claim (I don't believe in extrapolating his PPG out over the course of the season when others with similar PPGs couldn't maintain it).

Good point on wondering how much more he'd score if the Penguins had a decent PP and he had fewer defensive responsibilities - though part of the blame for the poor PP has to fall on Crosby, right?

Unaffiliated 11-03-2011 10:49 AM

I feel like all this data should be posted directly onto the main board.

livewell68 11-03-2011 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unaffiliated (Post 38893971)
I feel like all this data should be posted directly onto the main board.

People on the main board ignore facts like this and they will continue with their "the newer NHL is faster, stronger and better" crusade as well as "Crosby's 2010-11 season would have been one of the best ever" crusade.

On the main board Gretzky couldn't dominate today's game, Lemieux would win Art Ross trophies but he wouldn't dominate and Crosby is at Jagr's level.

Jonsson 11-03-2011 10:44 PM

Not a half season but Mario´s 160 points in 60 games is mindblowing!

Calderon 11-05-2011 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jepjepjoo (Post 38719915)
Selanne had 51 goals 87 points in the last 50gp in 92-93. 50 in 50 kind of :)

TBH I hate that the official record is 50-in-50 from the start of the season.

Does anyone know if someone has come close to 50-in-39 since Gretzky, during any stretch of one regular season?

WarriorOfGandhi 11-05-2011 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calderon (Post 39010369)
TBH I hate that the official record is 50-in-50 from the start of the season.

Does anyone know if someone has come close to 50-in-39 since Gretzky, during any stretch of one regular season?

Neely did 50 in 44 but it wasn't the team's first 50 games so it didn't officially count

Czech Your Math 08-02-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadLuke (Post 38733211)
When was the last even strength more dominant season than 2010 Crosby ?

Adjusted to 6.00 ESG/game and 82 games, these are some of the best ES seasons for which data is available:

PLAYER Year G A P
Gretzky 1985 55 94 150
Gretzky 1986 40 110 149
Gretzky 1982 67 78 146
Gretzky 1987 47 91 138
Gretzky 1984 56 81 137
Gretzky 1983 49 88 136
Jagr 1996 55 72 127
Jagr 1999 51 76 127
Gretzky 1991 40 84 123
H.Sedin 2010 33 86 120
Jagr 2001 56 62 117
Lemieux 1989 47 70 117
Yzerman 1989 52 64 116
Gretzky 1989 44 71 115
Ovechkin 2008 66 49 115
Forsberg 2003 33 81 114
Gretzky 1980 41 71 112
Gretzky 1981 38 72 111
Thornton 2006 27 81 109
Lemieux 1993 53 55 108
LeClair 1997 53 55 108
Gretzky 1990 29 79 108
Malkin 2012 55 53 108
Gretzky 1988 31 77 107
Jagr 2006 45 62 107
Lindros 1995 51 56 106
Lemieux 1997 43 63 105
Ovechkin 2010 53 52 105
Jagr 1995 49 56 104
Fedorov 1994 50 54 104
Crosby 2010 52 52 104
Kurri 1985 55 48 104
Selanne 1998 63 40 104
Sundin 1999 42 62 104
Trottier 1978 36 67 103
Bure 2000 64 39 103
Hull 1991 68 35 103
Malkin 2009 28 74 102
Trottier 1979 36 65 101
Thornton 2003 34 67 101
Selanne 1997 52 49 101
Malkin 2008 46 55 101
Lindros 1996 43 58 100
LeClair 1999 42 59 100
Lindros 1999 45 56 100
Sakic 2001 48 51 99
Iginla 2008 53 46 99
Jagr 1998 43 56 99
Yzerman 1993 43 55 98
Lemieux 1996 40 58 98
Iginla 2002 53 44 97
Jagr 2000 46 50 96
Coffey 1986 31 63 94
Forsberg 1996 27 67 94
Selanne 1993 59 35 94


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