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islesfan3991 10-30-2011 02:01 PM

Could Doug Weight be a coach?
 
After seeing Doug Weight go crazy last night it made me think if he could get a head coaching job in the league. I think it was great what he showed last night. I was very supprised that Cappy wasn't as fired up as Weight was. I'm not saying that Weight should be coach of the Isles but do you think he has a career in coaching in the NHL in the future?

SLAPSHOT723 10-30-2011 02:11 PM

I loved his intensity last night, but hiring him as coach now? Didn't it sound like a mistake when Garth was hired immediately after retiring? Bad idea now, but maybe good in a couple years.

OlTimeHockey 10-30-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAPSHOT723 (Post 38720671)
I loved his intensity last night, but hiring him as coach now? Didn't it sound like a mistake when Garth was hired immediately after retiring? Bad idea now, but maybe good in a couple years.

Nino needs time. Pouling needs time. Martin needs time. Hamonic still needs time. Strome and others need time. Capuano served his apprentiship. Snow did not. So.....let's wait a bit on Doug Weight. He's got some learning to do and has not "done all he can at that level" like every kid to hit puberty in the last 20 years of failure.

Let's let him grow some coaching squigglies on his nards before anointing him, plz.

Renbarg 10-30-2011 02:23 PM

Apparently all you got to do to be an NHL coach is to lose your mind on the bench.

Blowing up like that does nothing to change the call, absolutely nothing. Have you ever seen a coach screaming and generally losing his cool change a ref's mind? In any sport?

Yes it shows intensity, but it shows misplaced intensity. While Weight was screaming at the ref, Cappy was tapping Nielsen telling him to go out on the ice. I hate speculating too far out bounds but that shows that his mind has already moved on, which is the best thing you can do at that point. You can't change the call, but you can kill off the penalty.

LAIslanderFan 10-30-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by islesfan3991 (Post 38720305)
After seeing Doug Weight go crazy last night it made me think if he could get a head coaching job in the league. I think it was great what he showed last night. I was very supprised that Cappy wasn't as fired up as Weight was. I'm not saying that Weight should be coach of the Isles but do you think he has a career in coaching in the NHL in the future?

If Ralph Kramden were alive today, he'd make a great coach. He was constantly yelling about everything.

LAIslanderFan 10-30-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Renbarg (Post 38721113)
Apparently all you got to do to be an NHL coach is to lose your mind on the bench.

Blowing up like that does nothing to change the call, absolutely nothing. Have you ever seen a coach screaming and generally losing his cool change a ref's mind? In any sport?

Yes it shows intensity, but it shows misplaced intensity. While Weight was screaming at the ref, Cappy was tapping Nielsen telling him to go out on the ice. I hate speculating too far out bounds but that shows that his mind has already moved on, which is the best thing you can that point. You can't change the call, but you can kill off the penalty.

Good to see a little common sense on this board.

xECK29x 10-30-2011 02:51 PM

Hmm I could've sworn only a couple of months ago when there were rumors that Weight could be the next coach people lost their heads...

KingLio21093 10-30-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xECK29x (Post 38722355)
Hmm I could've sworn only a couple of months ago when there were rumors that Weight could be the next coach people lost their heads...

Exactly. I think these boards are a little bipolar.

Renbarg is absolutely right with his post. Just because he blew a fuse on the bench doesn't mean he's immediately NHL head coach material.

Sammy2010* 10-30-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Renbarg (Post 38721113)
Apparently all you got to do to be an NHL coach is to lose your mind on the bench.

Blowing up like that does nothing to change the call, absolutely nothing. Have you ever seen a coach screaming and generally losing his cool change a ref's mind? In any sport?

Yes it shows intensity, but it shows misplaced intensity. While Weight was screaming at the ref, Cappy was tapping Nielsen telling him to go out on the ice. I hate speculating too far out bounds but that shows that his mind has already moved on, which is the best thing you can that point. You can't change the call, but you can kill off the penalty.

Apparently you missed the fact that he has 1200 more games of NHL experience under his belt than Cappy does.

I am sure if Weight was the coach he would have never figured out the penalty needed to be killed. :shakehead

Sammy2010* 10-30-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xECK29x (Post 38722355)
Hmm I could've sworn only a couple of months ago when there were rumors that Weight could be the next coach people lost their heads...

Yes, that was months ago. Long before some fans realized Cappy cannot motivate his team.

KyleBailey12 10-30-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLio21093 (Post 38724647)
Exactly. I think these boards are a little bipolar.

Renbarg is absolutely right with his post. Just because he blew a fuse on the bench doesn't mean he's immediately NHL head coach material.

Just a little?

KingLio21093 10-30-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725727)
Apparently you missed the fact that he has 1200 more games of NHL experience under his belt than Cappy does.

I am sure if Weight was the coach he would have never figured out the penalty needed to be killed. :shakehead

Yeah, because NHL experience really helped Gretzky lead the Coyotes to a load of Stanley Cups! :shakehead

Star players who end out being coaches usually end up doing terrible. See: Gretzky, Isiah Thomas, etc. Playing the game and coaching is so much more different.

That said, I cannot determine whether Weight will be a good coach or not. He needs some experience behind the bench as an Assistant Coach first to get all the aspects of coaching.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725787)
Yes, that was months ago. Long before some fans realized Cappy cannot motivate his team.

And you came to this conclusion based on?
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Originally Posted by KyleBailey12 (Post 38725963)
Just a little?

Yeah, I definitely underexaggerated that :laugh:

xECK29x 10-30-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725787)
Yes, that was months ago. Long before some fans realized Cappy cannot motivate his team.

Right...he didn't motivate the team to totally turn their season around the second half of last year or anything. I love all the armchair NHL executives this forum has, this recession really hit the NHL hard with all of you being unemployeed by a team!

xECK29x 10-30-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725727)
Apparently you missed the fact that he has 1200 more games of NHL experience under his belt than Cappy does.

I am sure if Weight was the coach he would have never figured out the penalty needed to be killed. :shakehead

Most NHL coaches have way less, your argument is invalid

Renbarg 10-30-2011 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725727)
Apparently you missed the fact that he has 1200 more games of NHL experience under his belt than Cappy does.

I am sure if Weight was the coach he would have never figured out the penalty needed to be killed. :shakehead

First off, mentioning NHL games is completely irrelevant. How many NHL games did Scotty Bowman play?


The point is Cappy was worried about killing the penalty, while Weight was worried about getting his two cents in to the refs. Obviously Weight probably has absolutely nothing to do with the PK. If Cappy wasn't worried about the PK (i.e. if he was an assistant coach in charge of the PP), maybe he too would have the luxury to scream his head off pointlessly.

islesfan3991 10-30-2011 08:14 PM

Personally, I want a coach that will show intensity. I want a coach that will defend his team at all cost. I think what Weight did was both. I'm not saying at all that Cappy shouldn't be the coach because he did turn the team around last season. But maybe Weight could be a coach either here or somewhere else.

LIUhockey18 10-31-2011 01:58 AM

It doesn't take a good coach to get fired up about a call they disagreed with. I'm sure he will make a good head coach one day since he was such smart player, but I don't think he will be getting a job like that until a few years down the road.

As for Cappy not getting fired up, I've been on the coaching side of the bench at the college level before and you can't have your whole coaching staff going off on the ref. If that happens then the refs will ignore you the rest of the night and you run the risk of having a coach ejected from the bench the next time he gets fired up like that. Someone has to keep the level head in that situation.

Isles Junkie 10-31-2011 02:00 AM

Doug Weight is the next head coach of the Islanders. Whether it happens this year, next year, or 3 years from now, he is the next head coach. not a doubt in my mind.

StrongIslanders90 10-31-2011 09:17 AM

I think thats wangs ultimate goal.....I love weight but we have not had a legit coach since Teddy Nolan IMO......We need a coach with a track record who the players respect as a coach...They would respect weight as a player but a coach should be respected for his Coaching not playing days imo....

ScaredStreit 11-01-2011 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy2010 (Post 38725727)
Apparently you missed the fact that he has 1200 more games of NHL experience under his belt than Cappy does.

I am sure if Weight was the coach he would have never figured out the penalty needed to be killed. :shakehead

The greatest coach in NHL history has played exactly: 0, ZERO NHL games. Hell he never made it to the AHL, and played in 26 QPJHL games.

Bauer Warrior* 11-01-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Renbarg (Post 38721113)
Apparently all you got to do to be an NHL coach is to lose your mind on the bench.

Blowing up like that does nothing to change the call, absolutely nothing. Have you ever seen a coach screaming and generally losing his cool change a ref's mind? In any sport?

Yes it shows intensity, but it shows misplaced intensity. While Weight was screaming at the ref, Cappy was tapping Nielsen telling him to go out on the ice. I hate speculating too far out bounds but that shows that his mind has already moved on, which is the best thing you can do at that point. You can't change the call, but you can kill off the penalty.

Not only can Doug Weight be a coach, but he will be. Like another poster said, after he's served his apprenticeship.

As far as having the fire after the bad call in overtime, I loved it, and it's absolutely necessary. He's not expecting an official to change his mind, but that particular official won't forget him, and for all the right reasons. I'll bet it's along time before any of that officiating team blows that call again, especially on Coliseum ice. The idea is not to try to change a mind, it's to make a case, and to let an official know that blowing a call is unacceptable, and now that whole team knows. It's not for instant gratification, it's for down the road. Would you rather that the coaching staff just rolled over and died? Is that the kind of passion you're looking for?

Sammy2010* 11-01-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLio21093 (Post 38731163)
Yeah, because NHL experience really helped Gretzky lead the Coyotes to a load of Stanley Cups! :shakehead

Star players who end out being coaches usually end up doing terrible. See: Gretzky, Isiah Thomas, etc. Playing the game and coaching is so much more different.

That said, I cannot determine whether Weight will be a good coach or not. He needs some experience behind the bench as an Assistant Coach first to get all the aspects of coaching.

And you came to this conclusion based on?

Yeah, I definitely underexaggerated that :laugh:

Yea, because Cappy has them in 28th place right now. Which is even worse than last year. :shakehead

I came to the conclusion on the fact that the team has been been playing with no emotion all year. Apparently you are the only one who missed that.


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