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AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 09:42 AM

Is it too early to say we need a new coach?
 
What is the problem? Please anyone? HELP!:help:

TragicallySabres 11-03-2011 09:46 AM

Ridiculous.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TragicallySabres (Post 38892031)
Ridiculous.

What is the Sabres coaching?

ZZamboni 11-03-2011 09:50 AM

Really? This thread is really happening? Wow.

Yes, it's too early to say the Buffalo Sabres need a new coach.

SackTastic 11-03-2011 09:53 AM

Identify one SPECIFIC coaching strategy or decision that you feel Ruff is doing wrong. Don't give me 'not getting them ready to play', because that's 100% on the players.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Clock 11-03-2011 09:55 AM

Buffalo is 6 and 5 after a non-trivial offseason shakeup. Back away from the ledge.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ZZamboni (Post 38892137)
Really? This thread is really happening? Wow.

Yes, it's too early to say the Buffalo Sabres need a new coach.

What do the Sabres need to start winning consistently? :help:

number72 11-03-2011 09:58 AM

Yes. This team is going to playoffs. If they get eliminated in the first round again then it is worthy of a serious look.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 38892213)
Identify one SPECIFIC coaching strategy or decision that you feel Ruff is doing wrong. Don't give me 'not getting them ready to play', because that's 100% on the players.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Maybe its not on the players. He is doing a pretty poor job right now. All the line shuffling bs. His team effort is always flat to start the games.

ZZamboni 11-03-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderMogilny89 (Post 38892501)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 38892213)
Identify one SPECIFIC coaching strategy or decision that you feel Ruff is doing wrong. Don't give me 'not getting them ready to play', because that's 100% on the players.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Maybe its not on the players. He is doing a pretty poor job right now. All the line shuffling bs. His team effort is always flat to start the games.


All??? So all 11 games he's shuffled all the lines? Not quite.

Always flat??? So every game so far, the Sabres have played "flat" to start the 11 games? Not quite.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ZZamboni (Post 38892665)
All??? So all 11 games he's shuffled all the lines? Not quite.

Always flat??? So every game so far, the Sabres have played "flat" to start the 11 games? Not quite.

So what is your answer to the Sabres to pick it up and start winning again? Should we wait until mid season when we are in 9th or 10th place in the conference? :help:

SackTastic 11-03-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderMogilny89 (Post 38892501)
Maybe its not on the players. He is doing a pretty poor job right now. All the line shuffling bs. His team effort is always flat to start the games.

Line shuffling : every coach in the league shuffles lines. Lindy Ruff is not unique in this regard.

If you've noticed, Ruff finds lines that work well. Then he tries other combinations that could also work well. When things are going bad, he then falls back to the lines that he KNOWS will work. This is the sign of a GOOD coach.

5 Minute Major 11-03-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 38892213)
Identify one SPECIFIC coaching strategy or decision that you feel Ruff is doing wrong. Don't give me 'not getting them ready to play', because that's 100% on the players.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

While I am not on the fire Lindy bandwagon, you can say what you did about any coach that gets fired or deserves to be fired.

Ultimately, the players performance is what keeps a coach employed or gets them canned.

Vito_81 11-03-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Clock (Post 38892287)
Buffalo is 6 and 5 after a non-trivial offseason shakeup. Back away from the ledge.

I agree.

It's not coaching, it's the players at the moment. It takes time for guys to gel. The D has two new faces in the top 4. It's going to take time to see who plays best with who.

The forwards are a mess other than Captain and Van. Guys are slumping. Guys are trying to do too much.

The only mistake Ruff has made thus far is his usual line juggling. It wasn't too bad when it was mixing up guys who were all familiar with each other from years of being team mates. It's a different story when you've got new faces in there. It's almost to the point where nobody really knows who their linemates will be next shift, let alone have the time to get into a rhythm as a line. Based on his comments last night it seems that Lindy realises this fact.

All that being said, the Sabres are above .500 and have been in every game they've played. Including coming back last night after being smashed 3-0 early. Hell, as mediocre and inconsistent this team has looked at times they could be 7-4(FLA L) or even 8-3(FLA L, 2nd TB L) with a little better luck.

barcs 11-03-2011 10:15 AM

I wouldn't say it's too soon. 2nd longest tenured coach in American major pro sports and he's delivered a whopping 1 finals appearance.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 38892831)
Line shuffling : every coach in the league shuffles lines. Lindy Ruff is not unique in this regard.

If you've noticed, Ruff finds lines that work well. Then he tries other combinations that could also work well. When things are going bad, he then falls back to the lines that he KNOWS will work. This is the sign of a GOOD coach.

I hope your right. I love the Sabres. I just want to see them doing better then what they are right now. Philly had one of the major team shuffles in the league. They look pretty good.

Myllz 11-03-2011 10:23 AM

The only coaching/strategy issue you can really pin on Ruff is the inability to beat the 1-3-1. It's been pretty well known that the Sabres can't figure out how to beat it for a long time now. Philly used it last night after going up 3-0. They had pretty much zero offense after the first five minutes of the game and with two and a half periods the Sabres still couldn't figure out a way to effectively beat the 1-3-1 to tie it.

AlexanderMogilny89 11-03-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Myllz (Post 38893147)
The only coaching/strategy issue you can really pin on Ruff is the inability to beat the 1-3-1. It's been pretty well known that the Sabres can't figure out how to beat it for a long time now. Philly used it last night after going up 3-0. They had pretty much zero offense after the first five minutes of the game and with two and a half periods the Sabres still couldn't figure out a way to effectively beat the 1-3-1 to tie it.

Didn't Tampa use that to?

puckish66 11-03-2011 10:35 AM

Yes, too early. 11 games is too small a sample size to evaluate Ruff.

Lindy's like that walker hanging in the tree on The Walking Dead. Minus the arrow. There's never an arrow with this guy.

start winnin 11-03-2011 10:37 AM

Lindy is a good coach, the players are simply not playing well. As pissed off as I am right now, I figure this team needs some time to work out it's chemistry issues. Leino and Ehrhoff are huge parts of the team, and once they start fitting in, we'll be fine. :)

SackTastic 11-03-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Myllz (Post 38893147)
The only coaching/strategy issue you can really pin on Ruff is the inability to beat the 1-3-1. It's been pretty well known that the Sabres can't figure out how to beat it for a long time now. Philly used it last night after going up 3-0. They had pretty much zero offense after the first five minutes of the game and with two and a half periods the Sabres still couldn't figure out a way to effectively beat the 1-3-1 to tie it.

Buffalo outshot Philly 2:1 after the first period. They broke the trap just fine. They just played sloppy and didn't execute.

omglolnub 11-03-2011 11:24 AM

even with the new faces, the defense first, goals by committee philosophy/strategy of the team (Ruff) and the player selection of mainly undersized forwards (Regier) hasn't changed in well over a decade. Yeah, it got the one finals appearance, but that's cause a legendary goalie basically dragged them there (and still lost, and Miller is a level or two below that guy), but since then, mostly first round bounces.

the organization has had its change of scenery and new way of thinking in the front office with Pegula coming to town. The team plays well enough in the regular season with their strategy, but are never built for the grind of the playoffs. I guess that was alright under the old, cost cutting owner, but I thought the team's moved on from that line of thinking. It's time for the team makeup and coaching strategy to do the same, especially when it hasn't been working that well.

note: the play of Vanek and Pommers so far this year is an abherration from the usual everyone scores 15 goals approach. I'm mainly talking about the last 15 years, in general.

Jame 11-03-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kishire (Post 38893593)
Lindy is a good coach, the players are simply not playing well. As pissed off as I am right now, I figure this team needs some time to work out it's chemistry issues. Leino and Ehrhoff are huge parts of the team, and once they start fitting in, we'll be fine. :)

Then what makes him a good coach?

WhoIsJimBob 11-03-2011 11:33 AM

I think I remember Pegula saying he wouldn't panic if the team got off to a slow start....

:shakehead

Timbo Slice 11-03-2011 11:36 AM

Wayyyyy too early, buddy.


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