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saskriders 11-08-2011 03:45 PM

Canada and the 2014 World Cup
 
I don't know anything about soccer, but was wondering what Canada's chances of making the world cup are. From my extremely uninformed point of view it looks like they have a good draw, and might have a chance. Right now they need to at least tie Saint Kitts and Nevis (who is over 20 ranking behind) in one of two games to advance to the next round. If they do make it to the next round they will not have to play the US, or Mexico, and will have to finish at least second in a group with Honduras, Cuba, and Panama. If they get passed that round a top 3 spot in a group with the remaining teams would qualify (which mean they don't have to beat the US or Mexico), and a 4th place spot would get in a playoff with the OFC champ, since Australia is not in OFC it is most likely that New Zealand will be that team, and they are over 20 spots higher than Canada in the rankings. So it seems to me that even though Canada would need to pull of some upsets, they would at least be plausible upsets (if I am not underestimating the Central American and Caribbean teams) and if they peaked at the right time they could advance. To me it seems like we have as good a draw we could ask for and have at least a plausible chance of making the world cup. Someone who knows soccer, please tell me if this is right or not.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 03:51 PM

Canada is terrible and should not sniff the world cup. That is all. But neither of the countries they have to compete against are any good either.

saskriders 11-08-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39141527)
Canada is terrible and should not sniff the world cup. That is all. But neither of the countries they have to compete against are any good either.

That is the point I was trying to make, so does that mean it is plausible that Canada could qualify

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saskriders (Post 39141773)
That is the point I was trying to make, so does that mean it is plausible that Canada could qualify

Sure, but I wouldn't bet on it, but they don't have super tough competition for the spot.

GirouxGiroux 11-08-2011 04:21 PM

Simple answer: Canada's odds of making it are terrible.

The final round of CONCACAF qualifying is a group of six with the top three going to Brazil and the fourth getting a playoff with a team from another association. Even if Canada manages to finish second in a group with Honduras, Cuba and Panama (unlikely), they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.

So, don't book any hotels.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GirouxGiroux (Post 39142435)
they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.

God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. :help: Qualifying would be so easy.

Big McLargehuge 11-08-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39142495)
God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. :help: Qualifying would be so easy.

The U.S. and Mexico basically have a guaranteed berth without doing anything...it's pretty nice. :laugh:

At the same time, those countries are getting most of their quality competition again friendlies and not games that matter. You're not learning a whole lot about your team when you play so many games against the CONCACAF equivalents of Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big McLargehuge (Post 39143981)
The U.S. and Mexico basically have a guaranteed berth without doing anything...it's pretty nice. :laugh:

At the same time, those countries are getting most of their quality competition again friendlies and not games that matter. You're not learning a whole lot about your team when you play so many games against the CONCACAF equivalents of Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands.

Well, if the world cup was set with the best countries in the world, it would basically be the European cup with a couple of teams from south america and maybe 1 or 2 from asia, possibly 1 from africa. There would be no teams from North/Middle america. :p:

BernierNo1Fan 11-08-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39144055)
Well, if the world cup was set with the best countries in the world, it would basically be the European cup with a couple of teams from south america and maybe 1 or 2 from asia, possibly 1 from africa. There would be no teams from North/Middle america. :p:

There's better teams in Africa than Asia. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon, Nigeria. Only really decent teams in the AFC are South Korea, Japan and Australia.

Canada got the best draw possible but even if they do make it to the fourth round there's hardly any chance that they even finish in the top four of the group, they're just that bad.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Eclipse (Post 39144491)
There's better teams in Africa than Asia. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon, Nigeria. Only really decent teams in the AFC are South Korea, Japan and Australia.

Canada got the best draw possible but even if they do make it to the fourth round there's hardly any chance that they even finish in the top four of the group, they're just that bad.

Take out Australia, and you got the 2 teams I was thinking about. Those 2 are better/even with the best African teams.

Klaus* 11-08-2011 05:49 PM

Canada got an amazing draw. Best they could have hoped for. They should have a decent chance to make it to the final round of qualifying. Once there.... who knows.

Klaus* 11-08-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GirouxGiroux (Post 39142435)
Simple answer: Canada's odds of making it are terrible.

The final round of CONCACAF qualifying is a group of six with the top three going to Brazil and the fourth getting a playoff with a team from another association. Even if Canada manages to finish second in a group with Honduras, Cuba and Panama (unlikely), they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.

So, don't book any hotels.

There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be competitive in that round of qualifying. :help: This is coming from somebody who hates our program and thinks little of our team.

BernierNo1Fan 11-08-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39144885)
Take out Australia, and you got the 2 teams I was thinking about. Those 2 are better/even with the best African teams.

I don't see how Japan and South Korea are better than Ivory Coast and Ghana.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Eclipse (Post 39146575)
I don't see how Japan and South Korea are better than Ivory Coast and Ghana.

Watch them play, check the stats. Both talk in favour of Japan and South Korea. :help:

Tuggy 11-08-2011 07:10 PM

I think they have an outside chance and not "terrible" like others have said. Assuming they get through their current group then there is no reason why they can't get at least second place with Honduras, Panama and Cuba. Next stage would obviously be very tough but the teams in that group will hardly be world beaters.

BernierNo1Fan 11-08-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39147123)
Watch them play, check the stats. Both talk in favour of Japan and South Korea. :help:

What stats are you talking about? Ivory coast and Ghana have stronger squads.

Jonimaus 11-08-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Eclipse (Post 39151709)
What stats are you talking about? Ivory coast and Ghana have stronger squads.

Worldcup sucess and so forth. Japan and South Korea are always 2 of the teams that impresses me the most, they play very quick football.

GirouxGiroux 11-09-2011 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Live4Dogs (Post 39145203)
There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be competitive in that round of qualifying. :help: This is coming from somebody who hates our program and thinks little of our team.

Being competitive and advancing are two different things.

GirouxGiroux 11-09-2011 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39142495)
God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. :help: Qualifying would be so easy.

It is what it is. We have an easier road to the WC, but the Euro teams that get there arrive with way more experience against good competition. Like Big said, Euro teams play each other all the time in WC qualifying and UEFA. We have the Gold Cup?

I understand being jealous of the light schedule, but we're jealous of things like being able to watch high quality soccer on a regular basis.

Chimaera 11-09-2011 05:29 AM

Are they hosting it? No? Thats the only way they have a significant shot at this stage. Otherwise they're not going.

Muuri 11-09-2011 08:57 AM

I wonder if they are even worse than Finland?

Jonimaus 11-09-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Muuri (Post 39180065)
I wonder if they are even worse than Finland?

100% yes, and it's not even close.

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It is what it is. We have an easier road to the WC, but the Euro teams that get there arrive with way more experience against good competition. Like Big said, Euro teams play each other all the time in WC qualifying and UEFA. We have the Gold Cup?

I understand being jealous of the light schedule, but we're jealous of things like being able to watch high quality soccer on a regular basis.
I don't think you should be, none of those teams would ever qualify playing in the european qualification. Instead you should be happy taking spots from better teams.

BAuldie 11-09-2011 11:21 AM

If Canada could get their fence sitters to suit up, they'd be right up there.

They are better than people give them credit for, they just don't play enough together so hopefully this extra round help fixes that.

That being said, with the MLS acadamies starting to churn out more and more players over the next few years, the MNT should improve as long as the players don't jump ship to other countries of course.

Jonimaus 11-09-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BAuldie (Post 39184491)
If Canada could get their fence sitters to suit up, they'd be right up there.

They are better than people give them credit for, they just don't play enough together so hopefully this extra round help fixes that.

That being said, with the MLS acadamies starting to churn out more and more players over the next few years, the MNT should improve as long as the players don't jump ship to other countries of course.

People say they are terrible, they are terrible, they should be nowhere close to the world cup. I'm not sure what your point is.

BAuldie 11-09-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 39186877)
People say they are terrible, they are terrible, they should be nowhere close to the world cup. I'm not sure what your point is.

Someone is a little sensitive.


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