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NYR Viper 11-11-2011 01:31 PM

Marc Staal out with a concussion (1/2: Cleared to Play)
 
Let's continue this in here. The other one is over 1,000 posts.

ColonialsHockey10 11-11-2011 01:38 PM

Reposting the last post in the other thread:

You have to wonder if the "set back" 3 weeks ago was actually a set back, or more a precautionary measure. This is the day after McDonagh scored in back to back games, and Girardi was playing Norris caliber hockey. We had also just heard that Sauer would be ready for the home opener, and Del Zotto was playing like a monster. The Rangers have also had a very easy schedule, including playing Winnipeg TWICE, since Staal had the "set back".

Who knows, but when I read that quote last night it only invoked positive thoughts.

MrAlmost 11-11-2011 01:41 PM

Wait, when did MacIlrath get a concussion? Sorry if this is off topic.

DrSutton* 11-11-2011 01:55 PM

A shame we even had to GET to a second thread.

Giglio NYR15 11-11-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSutton (Post 39289073)
A shame we even had to GET to a second thread.

Were going to have another one too buddy....because staaly aint coming back until next season.

Maineice11 11-11-2011 05:23 PM

so i was just reading andrew gross's blog, which reiterated the same quote paul maurice has said about staal's post concussion syndrome.

what if...this is simply speculation, but what if paul maurice said what he said to mentally get eric staal out of his funk, there is no denying that eric's slow start is mental from how marc staal is doing and feel bad about it, no matter what he says...so i wonder if this is a coach's strategy to publicly get it out there to help eric staal mentally

wolfgaze 11-11-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Maineice11 (Post 39295605)
what if...this is simply speculation, but what if paul maurice said what he said to mentally get eric staal out of his funk, there is no denying that eric's slow start is mental from how marc staal is doing and feel bad about it, no matter what he says...so i wonder if this is a coach's strategy to publicly get it out there to help eric staal mentally

But what's stopping Maurice from having a one on one conversation with Eric and telling him that? No need for him to speculate to the media about a situation he's not going to have intimate knowledge of... Looks unprofessional.

Maineice11 11-11-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 39296801)
But what's stopping Maurice from having a one on one conversation with Eric and telling him that? No need for him to speculate to the media about a situation he's not going to have intimate knowledge of... Looks unprofessional.

true...i'm in no way saying that's what i would do or most would do or if it is professional, but maybe he has had that talk with staal and it still didnt work, so like some coaches call out their players in press conferences, maybe maurice is sort of doing that in a way...

i don't know, maybe this idea of mine is crazy, i just wanted it to be looked at in a different angle

DM23BK30 11-11-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrAlmost (Post 39288473)
Wait, when did MacIlrath get a concussion? Sorry if this is off topic.

He had an upper-body injury and missed a few games. It was speculated on some Rangers blogs. Then when he returned to play, he was not as bruising as he normally is.

Vitto79 11-11-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Giglio NYR15 (Post 39289183)
Were going to have another one too buddy....because staaly aint coming back until next season.

chilax..........teams winning, let Staal take his time, at this as long as he's ok for the playoffs its a win

Giglio NYR15 11-12-2011 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 39305839)
chilax..........teams winning, let Staal take his time, at this as long as he's ok for the playoffs its a win

Hey I didn't say anything bad about the team...were winning and I'm happy and to be honest our defense hasn't been a real big problem...it would be amazing with staal, but its GOOD without him, better than a lot in my opinion. I love this team and I think they will hit some bumps and grow,but overall I still sick with 3-5 seed. If your can tell me staal will come back in march, play 10 games and be ready for the playoffs, i think we had a blessing in disguise having our top defensemen have fresh legs under him when girardi and mcdonagh might be a little burnt out. That being said, my gut feeling is we won't see him this year, and so far I'm okay with that because I don't want his career in jeopardy, whatever the problem is.

Inferno 11-12-2011 01:23 AM

eric staal is a trainwreck right now...sheesh his game has gone to pieces.

MrAlmost 11-12-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by German Way of War (Post 39301807)
He had an upper-body injury and missed a few games. It was speculated on some Rangers blogs. Then when he returned to play, he was not as bruising as he normally is.

Okay, thank you.

White Plains Batman 11-12-2011 11:19 AM

Apparently big McLirath was roughing it up last night which is a good sign. He also scored a goal. So many of these kids get concussions so early now; that hit that Ryan Murphy (Carolina 2011 1st rounder) took that was shown on MSG 150 was disgusting.

As for Eric Staal; Maurice is protecting his franchise player and his team, I take no validity or stock in his quotes but he's just doing his job. As Torts said on that Behind The Bench show, a coach has to stick up and protect his team.

On Marc, it's fine they shut him down for a month but the thing I don't like is that he was working with that Buffalo Medical Firm that worked with Lombardi and Kaletta that insists on NOT shutting down, and then this guy up in Boston says the opposite. Two opposing views. IMO they should have shut him down in September until Thanksgiving.

Hopefully the extra time off helped him and he can be back by February or early March at latest.

WeWillWinTonight 11-12-2011 11:26 AM

As the days and games go by I see the likelihood of a return this season diminishing. Especially if we continue to play well, I doubt this will be a rushed situation as we already see by the way things are going.

I keep looking at it this way: there is no timetable for return, it could be weeks or months before we even get a timetable. I had confidence early on but now I really think we could be Staalless for a long time.

Beacon 11-12-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WeWillWinTonight (Post 39322139)
As the days and games go by I see the likelihood of a return this season diminishing. Especially if we continue to play well, I doubt this will be a rushed situation as we already see by the way things are going.

I keep looking at it this way: there is no timetable for return, it could be weeks or months before we even get a timetable. I had confidence early on but now I really think we could be Staalless for a long time.


You are just getting depressed and pessimistic because you are hearing no news. What you are doing is trying to predict outcomes without any facts to go on.

It's not as if the doctor is telling you every day that there is no improvement. For all you know, the doctor is telling Staal, "it's improving really well, just a little bit more and you'll be perfect." Do you know if this is being said or not? No, you don't know.

So why people come here to whine? Just because verbalizing their frustration makes them feel better, even though it serves to depress everyone else.

People need to stop typing here. Crosby has nothing to do with Staal. Whereas a leg break is an all or nothing game (more or less, though it does have various degree also), a concussion can be scored on a 0-100 scale where your concussion can be a 4 or an 84. You have no idea if Staal's concussion is better, worse or the same as Crosby's, so end the comparisons.

Some players, like Beukeboom, got career-ending concussions, some returned within two days, and some were somewhere in between. You have no idea where Staal is so please, stop writing for the sake of writing. You have no idea what's really going on.

HockeyBurd* 11-12-2011 11:54 AM

I hope a miraculous turn occurs and this never makes it to a third thread.

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Originally Posted by German Way of War (Post 39301807)
He had an upper-body injury and missed a few games. It was speculated on some Rangers blogs. Then when he returned to play, he was not as bruising as he normally is.

But that's a byproduct of coming back from most upper body injuries anyway.

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Originally Posted by Inferno272 (Post 39315101)
eric staal is a trainwreck right now...sheesh his game has gone to pieces.

But it has nothing to do with the hit. Nothing at all. Nope. Because he did nothing at all wrong. Because the game comes first and family is only family off the ice. Yep. Because that's not a twisted perspective and that's how familial devotion and fraternal instincts work. Yep.

WeWillWinTonight 11-12-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 39323019)
You are just getting depressed and pessimistic because you are hearing no news. What you are doing is trying to predict outcomes without any facts to go on.

It's not as if the doctor is telling you every day that there is no improvement. For all you know, the doctor is telling Staal, "it's improving really well, just a little bit more and you'll be perfect." Do you know if this is being said or not? No, you don't know.

So why people come here to whine? Just because verbalizing their frustration makes them feel better, even though it serves to depress everyone else.

Couple of things..

I'm certainly not depressed and if I was I would not come on HFBoards so that RangerEsq would help me get by.

I'm certainly not pessimistic, I'm pumped about the way this team is playing. The D is the best part of our game right now. Flawless D, missing Staal stinks but we are doing well here without him.

I'm not a doctor, but I could tell you what I do know about concussions and what we are seeing from this case. It is a fact they are not going to take a risk, there is so much unknown behind these kind of injuries.
But yeah I hope your right and they are telling Staal that he's doing better.

I'm certainly not whining, just voicing my opinion. I have no reason to whine because I love watching this team win, love going to the games, love they way things are going.

Lastly, if other people verbalizing their frustration makes you depressed my advice would be to stay off the internet (particularly message boards) and seek professional help.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 39323019)
People need to stop typing here. Crosby has nothing to do with Staal. Whereas a leg break is an all or nothing game (more or less, though it does have various degree also), a concussion can be scored on a 0-100 scale where your concussion can be a 4 or an 84. You have no idea if Staal's concussion is better, worse or the same as Crosby's, so end the comparisons.

Where do you see Crosby in my post.

Beacon 11-12-2011 01:34 PM

My post wasn't addressed to you directly, but to this thread in general. This wasn't the only point I made that you didn't get. For instance, the part about depressing others, it's clear that I wasn't talking about myself but rather about people who are starting to believe random posters who are issuing medical opinions about Staal with absolutely no information.

Likewise with Crosby. I wrote that "people" should not talk about him because his injury is irrelevant to Staal, and it was not directed at you. Why would you think "people" means you in particular? Are you the only human here? Do you not know that "people" is plural?

Lastly, if you can't read and comprehend basic words that other people are writing my advice would be to stay off the internet (particularly message boards) and seek professional help.

WeWillWinTonight 11-12-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 39325941)
My post wasn't addressed to you directly, but to this thread in general. This wasn't the only point I made that you didn't get. For instance, the part about depressing others, it's clear that I wasn't talking about myself but rather about people who are starting to believe random posters who are issuing medical opinions about Staal with absolutely no information.

Likewise with Crosby. I wrote that "people" should not talk about him because his injury is irrelevant to Staal, and it was not directed at you. Why would you think "people" means you in particular? Are you the only human here? Do you not know that "people"

Next time when you are addressing the general population of the message board please do not quote me. Thanks

RangerBoy 11-16-2011 07:53 AM

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Defenseman Marc Staal (injured reserve-concussion), who has not played yet this season, reportedly is scheduled to visit specialist Dr. Robert Cantu in Boston this week. When contacted by the Daily News Tuesday afternoon, however, Cantu declined through a spokesman to comment on Staal.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...#ixzz1dsLxy7Sg

Staal met with Cantu the week of October 17. The Rangers played in Vancouver on the 18th. Joe Micheletti made the Rangers will have/hope to have an update on Staal tomorrow on the 18th. Tomorrow was a Wednesday.

Just taking a guess,Staal met with Cantu yesterday or will see him today. Cantu wanted to see him in a month.

RangerBoy 11-16-2011 11:36 AM

Nick Kypreos was discussing the Rangers on Fan 590 Hockey Central. According to Kyper,Staal is feeling much better. He has some good stretches. Kyper said Staal will see Cantu next week but maybe he is confusing his weeks. Brooks wrote next week on Friday which is this week.

ColonialsHockey10 11-16-2011 11:41 AM

I was hoping this thread would be bumped today because I knew it was around a month. Hopefully he meets with him in the next few days.

I truly believe the extra month was precautionary and the Rangers felt confident after wins in Vancouver and Calgary. No sense in rushing someone as important to the team as Staalsy.

RGY 11-16-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerBoy (Post 39510953)
Nick Kypreos was discussing the Rangers on Fan 590 Hockey Central. According to Kyper,Staal is feeling much better. He has some good stretches. Kyper said Staal will see Cantu next week but maybe he is confusing his weeks. Brooks wrote next week on Friday which is this week.

Regardless at least this is some positive news from Kyper. I would assume it's accurate information.

Giglio NYR15 11-16-2011 04:44 PM

I honestly feel no information is accurate information until it is released by the organization himself. And sather said this week at the HOF to someone..."even if i did know something, i wouldn't tell you." My original expectation was for Staal to join the team when we return home nov 26th vs the flyers. I said that at game 1. Now i feel like he will be out all season, and the whole adding defenseman thing makes me feel that even more. Now I'm not saying this guys like kypreos could be right, Im just saying until it comes from the mouth of sather or another organization person, I would take it with a grain of salt.


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