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Firestar27 11-19-2011 12:11 AM

Gionta
 
My goal is not to troll, I just wished to point something out.

In the last three years everyone is bashing Gomez, and with reason, not blaming them..

But why is Gionta never talked about, I mean sure the guy can skate and works hard... But heck, he had a 46 pts season last year in 82 games, which ain't a lot better than what Gomez did.. Almost everytime he passes the blue line, he takes a useless slapshot. He can't aim, always shooting seemingly anywhere as long as it's toward the net... Sure he'll score 20+ goals, but when it comes to him, some persons seems to think assists are not important, as long as he scores... I prefered Koivu's 17 goals and 40 assists a lot more than Gionta's 29 goals but only 15 assists...

To me Gionta is a less skilled but harder working version of Ryder, he'll put up more than 20 goals, but less than 20 assists. Still, I hate his playing style, and while Gomez, Cammy, Pleks are always undersiege when they are in a slump, it seems Gionta is always safe from the bashing... And I'm trying to understand why...

Again, my goal is not to troll or something, I know many fans love Gionta and I respect their opinions, only pointing my own observation of a player with a playing style I personally don't like much...

LyricalLyricist 11-19-2011 12:14 AM

Gionta isn't really someone i'm dying to hold onto. He's a good player, plays an honest game and works his ass off. I can live with his contract and all that, but I would not complain if we traded him for an upgrade. However, I use upgrade in the context that the person in question would be consistently better going forward. Gionta may be a 50 point player but he gives you that. We know what to expect from him and he delivers.

Teufelsdreck 11-19-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Firestar27 (Post 39635551)
My goal is not to troll, I just wished to point something out.

In the last three years everyone is bashing Gomez, and with reason, not blaming them..

But why is Gionta never talked about, I mean sure the guy can skate and works hard... But heck, he had a 46 pts season last year in 82 games, which ain't a lot better than what Gomez did.. Almost everytime he passes the blue line, he takes a useless slapshot. He can't aim, always shooting seemingly anywhere as long as it's toward the net... Sure he'll score 20+ goals, but when it comes to him, some persons seems to think assists are not important, as long as he scores... I prefered Koivu's 17 goals and 40 assists a lot more than Gionta's 29 goals but only 15 assists...

To me Gionta is a less skilled but harder working version of Ryder, he'll put up more than 20 goals, but less than 20 assists. Still, I hate his playing style, and while Gomez, Cammy, Pleks are always undersiege when they are in a slump, it seems Gionta is always safe from the bashing... And I'm trying to understand why...

Again, my goal is not to troll or something, I know many fans love Gionta and I respect their opinions, only pointing my own observation of a player with a playing style I personally don't like much...

Part of Gionta's problem is/was playing on a line with Gomez. Kostitsyn had the same problem and Pacioretty has broken out now that his umbilical cord to Gomez is severed.

Firestar27 11-19-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck (Post 39635631)
Part of Gionta's problem is/was playing on a line with Gomez. Kostitsyn had the same problem and Pacioretty has broken out now that his umbilical cord to Gomez is severed.

I'll admit I have to agree with that, for too long Gionta was stuck with Gomez...

But still I'm seeing the same things I hate about Gio since he's with Pleks. For example, he made that great perfect pass to Moen a few games ago in the slot... Why can't he make more of those instead of always going for the shot ?

MasterD 11-19-2011 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Firestar27 (Post 39635691)
I'll admit I have to agree with that, for too long Gionta was stuck with Gomez...

But still I'm seeing the same things I hate about Gio since he's with Pleks. For example, he made that great perfect pass to Moen a few games ago in the slot... Why can't he make more of those instead of always going for the shot ?

He has no vision.

Habaneros 11-19-2011 01:23 AM

20 points in 26 playoffs games as a Habs ..

I agree trade him for Garth Murray .

la25ecoupe 11-19-2011 01:37 AM

we complaint when our playings dont shoot, now we have a guy that always shoot and we not happy

Et le But 11-19-2011 01:55 AM

With the emergence of Pacioretty, I'm not sure Gionta has much longer on this team. I think I'd rather Kostitsyn be back next year than Gionta.

But he was probably our most consistent goalscorer for the past two seasons. If anything he's been a lot more valuable during the regular season than Cammalleri, on both ends of the ice. He has his limits but he works very hard and had gotten close to 30 goals for the past two years.

But he has been weak this year. A couple of clutch moments but they have been overshadowed by tons of boneheaded, wasteful play. He should still get goals this year though.

Also like Gomez, I don't think anyone can explain what happened in 05-06.

FuriousBob 11-19-2011 02:03 AM

He as been our best goal scorer for the last two season... one where he had 29 goals (tied for 30th) and the other one where he had 28 (tied for 31) but was injured 21 game (on pace for 38 goal, good for the 9th rank in the NHL that year)


So yeah, he may not be the best out there, but he gets it done. Since he is captain, we can assume he is a good guy to have in the room too.

Habaneros 11-19-2011 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Et le But (Post 39636915)
With the emergence of Pacioretty, I'm not sure Gionta has much longer on this team. I think I'd rather Kostitsyn be back next year than Gionta.

But he was probably our most consistent goalscorer for the past two seasons. If anything he's been a lot more valuable during the regular season than Cammalleri, on both ends of the ice. He has his limits but he works very hard and had gotten close to 30 goals for the past two years.

But he has been weak this year. A couple of clutch moments but they have been overshadowed by tons of boneheaded, wasteful play. He should still get goals this year though.

Also like Gomez, I don't think anyone can explain what happened in 05-06.



Andrei, he got the chance to get out of Martinville jail.
Breaking free, i'd lay odds his foot is out the door,escape route planned.


Gio not going no where but Montreal ... imho


Pacioretty will score 100 pts in a season while in Mtl.

HockeyF3ind 11-19-2011 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Et le But (Post 39636915)
Also like Gomez, I don't think anyone can explain what happened in 05-06.

I can with one word.

Elias.

bsl 11-19-2011 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FuriousBob (Post 39636995)
He as been our best goal scorer for the last two season... one where he had 29 goals (tied for 30th) and the other one where he had 28 (tied for 31) but was injured 21 game (on pace for 38 goal, good for the 9th rank in the NHL that year)


So yeah, he may not be the best out there, but he gets it done. Since he is captain, we can assume he is a good guy to have in the room too.

I love Gio. Best hands on the team, and usually clutch in PO. He does what so few Habs players do. Look at his rob the D blind wraparound in 1 second goal against the Yotes. NO one does that on the Habs except him. Love the Guy. A real player, and nose for the net.

And he's been hurt all year BTW, and never complains.

habsjunkie2* 11-19-2011 05:07 AM

Was never a fan of his signing, giving the makeup of our roster, he was more of the same imo. Four little guys in the top 6 was hard to overcome. The contract was and is a little steep for me, has the potential to get worse over the next couple of seasons.

vanderglenn 11-19-2011 06:41 AM

Gionta has had a relatively slow start to the year but I think he has dodged the bashing due to him being the most consistent goal scorer over the last 2 seasons. On a team where 5 on 5 offensive production has sputtered in recent years, Gionta is a welcome and integral piece of the puzzle.
I do agree with you that he can seem invisible out there some nights and that his production comes in bunches and then stalls but that production is still important on a somewhat offensively challenged club.

The Kremelin Wall* 11-19-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyF3ind (Post 39637035)
I can with one word.

Elias.

Was injured for more than half the season. They didn't put up all their points in the 38 games Elias did play.

Born in 1909 11-19-2011 07:03 AM

If the PP was working better a lot of guys would have a few extra points by now.

Dirty Danglez 11-19-2011 07:40 AM

Saying Gionta only scored 46 points isn't telling the whole story. 29 of them were goals. It is frustrating to see sometimes that all he does is shoot the puck from bad angles, but you got to take the bad with the good. He is a leader on this team, defensively responsible, scores around 30 a year, and hustles every game. I think he is worth it.

coolasprICE 11-19-2011 07:51 AM

I like Gio -- but I'm not sure why he's captain.

Sure, he's a leader by example, but so too is any hard working Vet who doesn't talk much.

Something is missing...

shutehinside 11-19-2011 07:53 AM

He was our top goal scorer DESPITE playing with Gomez as his centre. It's a miracle in and of itself that he still lead the team in scoring, period. I mean whose goals was he going to assist on? Gomez's 7 or Moen's 6 goals?

dutchy29 11-19-2011 08:04 AM

Gionta is a rock, a leader, and you can throw garbage on his line and he will still produce.
Goal scoring is harder to find than playmaking IMO, to be able to score 30 a year in this league is quite valuble. After Gionta and Patches who else will score 30?

PunkinDrublic* 11-19-2011 08:06 AM

Two things here to point out. Back in January of this year you wrote a post stating how much you hate Gionta. So this thread wreaks Troll all over it.
Second i believe you are a Sens fan, so why the obsession with Gionta ? Does your wife think he's hot ? Because i am very curious on this one.

Coldplay 11-19-2011 08:20 AM

This thread wouldn't exist in January. I hope Gionta retires as a Hab, preferably with a ring or two (or three).

hockeyfan2k11 11-19-2011 08:52 AM

Gionta has been our best scorer over the last 2 years and you're complaining about assists? There are enough guys who can pass the puck on this team. We need more Giontas. Guys who shoot the puck and can score. Don't forget he played an entire season with Gomez who's a black hole.

TheBourkeIdentity 11-19-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolasprICE (Post 39639215)
I like Gio -- but I'm not sure why he's captain.

Sure, he's a leader by example, but so too is any hard working Vet who doesn't talk much.

Something is missing...

To be fair, we don't know what goes on in the room or how he leads during practice. So there may be more to his captaincy than meets the eye.

I'm pretty happy having Gionta on the team, do I wish he'd get into better position instead of shooting from the perimeter so often? sure. But overall he's a net asset.

That said, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for an upgrade either.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt 11-19-2011 09:12 AM

He's been off this season, but he's not really overpaid simply because of his 2-way play and tenacity.


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