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Habs Junkie 11-21-2011 01:42 AM

Pacioretty on pace for 35+ goal season
 
Actually it's a little over 36 if you want to nitpick but definitely a great start by Wolverine.!

I want to know, do you guys think he gets over 35.5 or under.
(for those of you bad in math, 36 and higher is over, 35 and lower is under)

I say over if he's healthy, he's a beast! Probably why I went all crazy last year during that whole incident. We finally saw that true power forward we've been looking for and loosing him like that was heartbreaking as a fan. But he's back, stronger faster better then ever and is tearing it up!

9 goals 8 assists in 20 games on pace for 36 goals and 32 assists for a 68 point season.

Go Pacs Go!!!

Habs Junkie 11-21-2011 01:44 AM

Ahhh wait I didn't make the poll... I have to figure out how to edit it

The Right Price 11-21-2011 01:46 AM

If everything goes smoothly for him this season I think he'll end up with 30-30 or 35-30 if he gets PP time with Markov as the QB.

Talks to Goalposts 11-21-2011 01:47 AM

He's not on a shooting percentage binge like say Kessel. There's a pretty good chance he's actually this good. A 3.6 shot per game rate is pretty darn good too.

Even if he cools off some, his first 30 goal year should be well within his grasp.

Edit: I took the under but that's because I figured there would be a decent chance he misses some games. I believe he's a consistent 30+ goals per 80 games player given appropriate usage (linemates, role etc.) Which puts him in some pretty select company as far as forwards go.

Mike8 11-21-2011 01:56 AM

Under, but would expect around 30 goals.

Don't see him as a powerforward, though.

BobbyFischer* 11-21-2011 01:58 AM

I say he gets better and better as the season goes and pots 38 goals.

Habs Junkie 11-21-2011 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike8 (Post 39736189)
Under, but would expect around 30 goals.

Don't see him as a powerforward, though.

No? What do you categorize him as then?

ashtraygirl 11-21-2011 02:08 AM

I don't see him scoring 30+ this season.

I'd be real happy with 25 goals or more, though!

Mike8 11-21-2011 02:10 AM

A scoring winger?

Many label wingers who have size and offensive abilities as powerforwards, and that's fine. To me, however, a powerforward plays with more brute force, plays a meaner game, etc. Lucic fits the bill. Clowe, too. Pacioretty and Cole (more the latter) play with some power, but generally aren't players opposing defensemen have to be aware of for their physical games. Neither impose their will a great deal out there physically either.

This is semantics, though, and not relevant to your poll. :)

LyricalLyricist 11-21-2011 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike8 (Post 39736307)
A scoring winger?

Many label wingers who have size and offensive abilities as powerforwards, and that's fine. To me, however, a powerforward plays with more brute force, plays a meaner game, etc. Lucic fits the bill. Clowe, too. Pacioretty and Cole (more the latter) play with some power, but generally aren't players opposing defensemen have to be aware of for their physical games. Neither impose their will a great deal out there physically either.

This is semantics, though, and not relevant to your poll. :)

I consider cole a power forward. You don't need to be mean and fight to use your body and play a power game. Pacioretty is more of a scoring winger, I can agree with that but cole does sometimes go directly in traffic and plays a power game.

Mike8 11-21-2011 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist (Post 39736405)
I consider cole a power forward. You don't need to be mean and fight to use your body and play a power game. Pacioretty is more of a scoring winger, I can agree with that but cole does sometimes go directly in traffic and plays a power game.

Sure, he does. And I'm not trying to state that my view on powerforward is necessarily the right one. Cole goes to the net, hits with great frequency, and is physically engaged in virtually every game. To me, he'd need to be a good deal more imposing and meaner to be a powerforward, but that's semantics.

Pacioretty, on the other hand, I see less of an argument for him being a 'powerforward'.

Pr3Va1L 11-21-2011 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike8 (Post 39736467)
Sure, he does. And I'm not trying to state that my view on powerforward is necessarily the right one. Cole goes to the net, hits with great frequency, and is physically engaged in virtually every game. To me, he'd need to be a good deal more imposing and meaner to be a powerforward, but that's semantics.

Pacioretty, on the other hand, I see less of an argument for him being a 'powerforward'.


Mind you, I'm fine with a "Scoring winger with size who goes to the net".

Mike8 11-21-2011 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pr3Va1L (Post 39736509)
Mind you, I'm fine with a "Scoring winger with size who goes to the net".

Indeed. Especially if that's accompanied by: can score 30-35 goals, play solid fundamentals, play in match-up situations, and can carry & distribute the puck.

I wrongly felt in the past that Pacioretty's passing game was more his strength than his shot. But I felt that way because his passing game is actually pretty solid. He can carry the puck and contribute to transition-offense a great deal.

On the topic of his passing game: it'll be interesting to see how he evolves on the PP especially. He's been on the sideboards more of late, whereas his time on the PP used to exclusively be down at the goal line (and he was very effective from there).

FF de Mars 11-21-2011 02:46 AM

Over because of Markov

BobbyFischer* 11-21-2011 02:57 AM

Pacioretty was showing huge flashes of becoming a power forward, but that was pre-Chara Pacioretty.

ECWHSWI 11-21-2011 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike8 (Post 39736307)
A scoring winger?

Many label wingers who have size and offensive abilities as powerforwards, and that's fine. To me, however, a powerforward plays with more brute force, plays a meaner game, etc. Lucic fits the bill. Clowe, too. Pacioretty and Cole (more the latter) play with some power, but generally aren't players opposing defensemen have to be aware of for their physical games. Neither impose their will a great deal out there physically either.

This is semantics, though, and not relevant to your poll. :)

agreed on Pacc, disagree on Cole though - his game is all about power.

Boardish 11-21-2011 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyFischer (Post 39736645)
Pacioretty was showing huge flashes of becoming a power forward, but that was pre-Chara Pacioretty.

Are you serious? I didn't see Pacioretty's game changed one bit.

He still plays the same.

BobbyFischer* 11-21-2011 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Boardish (Post 39736789)
Are you serious? I didn't see Pacioretty's game changed one bit.

He still plays the same.

I'm dead serious.

It's a very slight subtle difference. You'd have to re-watch the tapes to see probably.

He is not as eager and willing to get physical too, this is clear.

Frankly.. this is a normal reaction after suffering a traumatic event such as a concussion, especially the way he did.

Think of it this way... I lift weights, and I do heavy deadlifts.. I have hurt my back before and had to take 2 months off working out for it to heal and I couldn't lift even 5-10lbs without possibly getting horrible back spasms. So now when I deadlift that injury is always somewhere in the back of my head.. it's not a bad thing, it makes me less likely to get injured in the future by becoming more aware of my posture and whatnot. It's just.. one of those things, it's only natural.

Mr. Hab 11-21-2011 04:16 AM

20 goals, 25 goals, 30 goals...doesn't matter to me (it's all good!).

As long as he stays healthy and keeps his head up like he has been (good for him and our Habs) and continues playing the way he does. He palyed so risky in the beginning of his NHL career (kept getting killed along the boards...I don't really see that now...great adjustment).

Most important...for him to stay healthy for the entire playoffs (I know, let's make it first). It's actually amazing that he is playing so well especially after what Chara pulled on him (almost killed him).

HEALTH...it's all about his health (so glad he's healthy and playing the way he does...that's what we should be so happy about, imo). So glad he is having a great season and Chara didn't ruin him.

I still hate Chara so much (hate is a cute word for how I really feel about Chara and his *swear word* ogre face...I'm sure his wife married him for his $$$$ and not his *bad word* face, there's no doubt about it). I want to write more about how much I despise Chara and how he could have ruined our Pacioretty, but I don't want to get suspended!

Go Pacioretty Go!! (keep keeping your head up and stay healthy)

BobbyFischer* 11-21-2011 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Hab (Post 39737077)
20 goals, 25 goals, 30 goals...doesn't matter to me.

As long as he stays healthy and keeps his head up like he has been (good for him and our Habs) and continues playing the way he does.
Most important...for him to stay healthy for the entire playoffs (I know, let's make it first). It's actually amazing that he is playing so well especially after what Chara pulled on him (almost killed him).

HEALTH...it's all about his health (so glad he's healthy and playing the way he does...that's what we should be so happy about, imo). So glad he is having a great season and Chara didn't ruin him.

I still hate Chara so much (hate is a cute word for how I really feel about Chara and his *swear word* ogre face...I'm sure his wife married him for his $$$$ and not his *bad word* face, there's no doubt about it). I want to write more about how much I despise Chara and how he could have ruined our Pacioretty, but I don't want to get suspended!

Go Pacioretty Go!! (keep keeping your head up and stay healthy)

And then the Bruins GM calling it a "strong hockey play".. lol.

habsjunkie2* 11-21-2011 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ECWHSWI (Post 39736657)
agreed on Pacc, disagree on Cole though - his game is all about power.

I agree, sometimes I find myself disappointed with Pacioretty, he seems to float a bit, but as long he gets 25 plus goals I'll never have a problem with him. He's still young, so the power part of his game may develop.

I voted under, but I expect 25-30g without injuries.

QuebecPride 11-21-2011 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyFischer (Post 39736897)
I'm dead serious.

It's a very slight subtle difference. You'd have to re-watch the tapes to see probably.

He is not as eager and willing to get physical too, this is clear.

Frankly.. this is a normal reaction after suffering a traumatic event such as a concussion, especially the way he did.

Think of it this way... I lift weights, and I do heavy deadlifts.. I have hurt my back before and had to take 2 months off working out for it to heal and I couldn't lift even 5-10lbs without possibly getting horrible back spasms. So now when I deadlift that injury is always somewhere in the back of my head.. it's not a bad thing, it makes me less likely to get injured in the future by becoming more aware of my posture and whatnot. It's just.. one of those things, it's only natural.

He's still injured, you're aware of that right?

Mr. Hab 11-21-2011 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyFischer (Post 39737103)
And then the Bruins GM calling it a "strong hockey play".. lol.

Strong play my *dirty word*.

For example...let's say our Jarred Tinordi (in the future) led and then shoved Tyler Seguin into a stanchion/turnbuckle almost killing or paralyzing Seguin for life...I really doubt our GM would say it was a ''strong hockey play''.

Revenge...that's what it was and it went unpunished.
I want to forget about it 'cause it just makes me angry.

I guess everyone can learn a lesson here...give a shove to Chara (sleeping giant became a violent giant seeking violent revenge) and he will remember it and try to kill you (now or later on) and the league will ignore the entire event and ignore what it obviously was...revenge (not sure I believe in karma after Chara won a Cup...Thomas deserved it but not Chara;Lucic;the dman who gave the finger ; Horton,etc).

Ok, I better stop 'cause right now I'm so happy that Pacioretty is doing well and is super healthy. We should all be ecstatic that we have a healthy and productive Pacioretty (17pts in 20games :nod: , you know his agent is salivating for more $$$$).

Go Pacioretty Go!! (keep it up! and also keep keeping your head up)


p.s.: Pacioretty is a scoring winger with size and some punch...and/or power forward (or not) I like what I see from Pacioretty especially that he's healthy and playing well and being more careful out there (since there are so many headhunters). He great for any line...the 1st, the 2nd, and even the 3rd (ex: Pacioretty-Eller-Desharnais or Moen).

99GoHabsGo99 11-21-2011 07:04 AM

i'd say he gets 36 tonight vs the bruins

neofury* 11-21-2011 07:42 AM

If Markov comes back and stays healthy I could see this guy getting 40g even if he stays healthy. I'd like to see how long he can keep this pace up for though. Even 30g would be great for a young player.


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