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Neal Before Zod 11-22-2011 12:52 AM

The departed: how the Preds who left this offseason are doing
 
We can update this as the season goes...but I figured we should take a look at how last year's Preds are doing on other teams...and compare that to how well their replacements are faring now.

The departed:

Marcel Goc - C - Florida - 17 GP - 2G - 0A - 2P - even - 2 PIM - 16:53 ATOI

Joel Ward - RW - Washington - 18 GP - 4G - 3A - 7P - +4 - 6 PIM - 14:13 ATOI

Steve Sullivan - LW - Pittsburgh - 20 GP - 1G - 7A - 8P - (-1) - 4 PIM - 17:28 ATOI

J.P. Dumont - LW - (no team, no stats)

Shane O'Brien - D - Colorado - 20 GP - 0G - 7A - 7P - +2 - 33 PIM - 19:11 ATOI

Cody Franson - D - Toronto - 6 GP - 1G - 2A - 3P - (-3) - 2 PIM - 17:08 ATOI

**Matthew Lombardi - C - Toronto - 19 GP - 2G - 4A - 6P - (-7) - 2 PIM - 13:10 ATOI


The replacements:

Craig Smith - C - 19 GP - 7G - 8A - 15P - (-1) - 12 PIM - 15:34 ATOI

Matt Halischuk - RW - 19 GP - 5G - 2A - 7P - +3 - 18 PIM - 13:46 ATOI

Blake Geoffrion - LW - 18 GP - 0G - 2A - 2P - even - 13 PIM - 10:41 ATOI

Niclas Bergfors - RW - 11 GP - 1G - 1A - 2P - (-2) - 2 PIM - 8:04 ATOI

Jonathon Blum - D - 19 GP - 1G - 2A - 3P - (-9) - 4 PIM - 18:24 ATOI

Jack Hillen - D - 17 GP - 0G - 3A - 3P - +1 - 12 PIM - 12:31 ATOI

**Mike Fisher - C - 11 GP - 3G - 6A - 9P - even - 2 PIM 18:44 ATOI

**Obviously Lombardi was injured for 98% of last season...essentially Mike Fisher is his replacement. Fisher, being a vet, doesn't exactly fit in with the "out with the old, in with the new" that applies to most of this. Nonetheless, he's still sort of a "new" Pred.



Stats don't tell the complete story, of course, but they give you an idea of where those guys stand on the other teams. I've really only seen Sully and Wardo in game action. Both seem to have found their spots on those teams, and I certainly wish them well (when they aren't playing us :) ). Sully had some injury issues, but he looks good this year. I hated to let Ward go, but he was getting too expensive for what he brings for us. I actually miss SOB, too. Hillen is doing pretty well, but I think SOB would've been a better option to keep.

How do you think the replacements have done? (Obviously Smith has been awesome...) Did the Preds make good moves by letting some of these guys go or trading them?

Soundgarden 11-22-2011 12:56 AM

Man, Halischuk's gone under the radar a little, it totally doesn't seem like he has 5 goals all ready.

cleangene 11-22-2011 01:02 AM

Last Saturday's display by our weaker defensive unit made me miss S.O.B. more and more.

Neal Before Zod 11-22-2011 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 39788229)
Man, Halischuk's gone under the radar a little, it totally doesn't seem like he has 5 goals all ready.

Yeah, I was surprised the number was 5, too. Already surpassed last season. A lot of that has been him being at the right place at the right time....but that just goes to credit the solid play he's doing this year. Geoffrion has been a bit disappointing so far, but Halischuk is playing as solidly as you could ask for from a young grinder. He seems to play well regardless of what line he is on. He might well develop into a good glue guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleangene (Post 39788399)
Last Saturday's display by our weaker defensive unit made me miss S.O.B. more and more.

Agreed. I think it may have been a little premature to let him go...especially since Franson ended up getting traded.

Blum has a bright future, but he's looking a lot more like a rookie this year than last. He really needs a steady veteran presence that isn't named Kevin Klein.

In a hindsight is 20/20 world, I would've resigned SOB and Sully. Despite the bargain basement contract, Bergfors really hasn't done anything for us. Sully isn't as durable as he used to be, but he looks great so far this year. He would be an asset on the PP and PK, as usual, and could log the minutes that some of our younger forwards can't provide.

SOB would be a good physical presence to round out Blum. He's not a great defenseman, but he's solid, and he can talk $#!& to the other team and clear their forwards from in front of the net. Plus he was a fun locker room presence. Every team needs a prankster.

Everlong 11-22-2011 03:37 AM

Ward has meshed well as a depth guy in Washington. Still overpaid I feel though.

Sullivan has had some bad puck luck recently. He could easily have 5-6 goals. I hope he makes it to the post-season and likely will with the Pens.

Dumont signed with a Swiss team I beleive. Or he got an offer. I'll have to double check that one.

I'll be honest, I still miss SOB. He's even putting up some points. I won't complain though, we're winning.

K3V1N 11-22-2011 11:24 AM

Thanks for the stats of "comparison!"

codeyh 11-22-2011 11:32 AM

J.P. is playing for Bern in Switzerland

In 8 GP he has 2 goals, 2 assists and 2 PIMs.

(credit: elite prospects)

Legionnaire11 11-22-2011 11:45 AM

He should be a point-per-game player in Bern... looks like Poile made the right decision.

predfan24 11-22-2011 01:02 PM

I've watched Sully in a few Pitt games and have not been impressed. He looks just like he did last year. Old, slower, not willing to battle to win a puck etc. 8 points in 20 games is not that impressive when your playing with Malkin and Neal.

Neal Before Zod 11-22-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by predfan24 (Post 39800651)
I've watched Sully in a few Pitt games and have not been impressed. He looks just like he did last year. Old, slower, not willing to battle to win a puck etc. 8 points in 20 games is not that impressive when your playing with Malkin and Neal.

He started off pretty slow, but lately I think he's stepped it up a notch. The players around him are getting used to his tendencies. He scored on a beautiful redirect from Malkin last night, so he actually has 2 goals.

Anyways...I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do to let Sully go...because the big question mark was 'can he play a full season?' Plus, our prospect list was getting pretty deep, and I think Poile decided it's sink or swim time for a few of these guts.

I think we'll be better off in the long run with the route we took...but I do miss some of what those guys brought to the table.

Neal Before Zod 03-04-2012 09:47 PM

Update:

The departed:

Marcel Goc - C - Florida - 40 GP - 7G - 11A - 18P - +3 - 6 PIM - 17:25 ATOI

Joel Ward - RW - Washington - 63 GP - 6G - 11A - 17P - +8 - 20 PIM - 12:44 ATOI

Steve Sullivan - LW - Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 13G - 24A - 37P - (-5) - 14 PIM - 15:37 ATOI

J.P. Dumont - LW - (no team, no stats)

Shane O'Brien - D - Colorado - 61 GP - 2G - 12A - 14P - (-1) - 87 PIM - 19:14 ATOI

Cody Franson - D - Toronto - 48 GP - 4G - 16A - 20P - (-2) - 20 PIM - 16:29 ATOI

**Matthew Lombardi - C - Toronto - 46 GP - 7G - 7A - 14P - (-13) - 8 PIM - 13:09 ATOI


The replacements:

Craig Smith - C - 63 GP - 12G - 20A - 32P - (-10) - 28 PIM - 14:37 ATOI

Matt Halischuk - RW - 62 GP - 12G - 10A - 22P - +9 - 25 PIM - 11:15 ATOI

X Blake Geoffrion - LW - 22 GP - 0G - 3A - 3P - (-2) - 17 PIM - 10:45 ATOI

Y Niclas Bergfors - RW - 11 GP - 1G - 1A - 2P - (-2) - 2 PIM - 8:04 ATOI

Z Jonathon Blum - D - 33 GP - 3G - 4A - 7P - (-14) - 6 PIM - 17:56 ATOI

Jack Hillen - D - 49 GP - 2G - 4A - 6P - +6 - 18 PIM - 13:45 ATOI

**Mike Fisher - C - 56 GP - 19G - 20A - 39P - even - 2 PIM - 19:11 ATOI


X - sent down, then traded to Montreal, replaced by Gabriel Bourque

Y - excommunicated, replaced by Brandon Yip

Z - sent down, replaced by Roman Josi

Gabriel Bourque - LW - 27 GP - 4G - 6A - 10P - +1 - 4 PIM - 13:17 ATOI

Brandon Yip - RW - 13 GP - 1G - 2A - 3P - +3 - 12 PIM - 10:42 ATOI

Roman Josi - D - 44 GP - 4G - 9A - 13P - (-6) - 14 PIM - 18:15 ATOI

AdmiralsFan24 03-04-2012 10:12 PM

I completely forgot Bergfors was ever on this team until this was brought back up.

worstfaceoffmanever 03-04-2012 10:21 PM

Dumont plays for SC Bern. He had 8 goals and 31 points in 31 games, and has two goals and an assist in their first two playoff games against Kloten.

Top 6 Spaling 03-04-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24 (Post 45528125)
I completely forgot Bergfors was ever on this team until this was brought back up.

Trust me, we all want to forget :cry:

Soundgarden 03-04-2012 11:24 PM

Bergfors is no Forsberg I tell ya.

Everlong 03-05-2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 45531065)
Bergfors is no Forsberg I tell ya.


SavageSteve 03-05-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24 (Post 45528125)
I completely forgot Bergfors was ever on this team until this was brought back up.

He was on this months calendar photo from the Players with their Dogs calendars that were giveaways a few months ago. It's been interesting to see who's been moved since that was made!!

ILikeItILoveIt 03-05-2012 02:50 PM

Would you take anyone of them back right now, with their current salaries, and displace anyone on our current roster?

I honestly wouldn't.

Shea Weber 03-05-2012 02:57 PM

Good thread.

update stats?

worstfaceoffmanever 03-05-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 45531065)
Bergfors is no Forsberg I tell ya.

Cannot unsee.

PredsV82 03-05-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeItILoveIt (Post 45550805)
Would you take anyone of them back right now, with their current salaries, and displace anyone on our current roster?

I honestly wouldn't.

as much as I have said(and still believe) that the Franson trade wasnt a bad one, I'd probably take Cody over Hillen(barely) and I might even take SOB over Cube, if he's not taking as many stupid penalties.. but its not enough of a difference to be considered a bad move

and dont you know Washington is thinking "wtf were we thinking?" with Wards contract...

token grinder 03-05-2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PredsV82 (Post 45551621)
as much as I have said(and still believe) that the Franson trade wasnt a bad one, I'd probably take Cody over Hillen(barely) and I might even take SOB over Cube, if he's not taking as many stupid penalties.. but its not enough of a difference to be considered a bad move

and dont you know Washington is thinking "wtf were we thinking?" with Wards contract...

flip side is if we had SOB, we wouldn't have Gill, and with Franson, probably no Josi. this is assuming that with Franson our D would have been 6, 20, 8, 51, gill/sob Franson.

Paranoid Android 03-05-2012 05:05 PM

I'd like to have Franson back of course, but if we had to take Lombardi back with him? Enjoy Toronto Cody.

TMI 03-05-2012 05:32 PM

What was the Ward/SK bet again?

BigFatCat999 04-03-2012 05:40 PM

Quick update on this. Matt Lombardi is at game #59 for the season.

Blake Geoffrion is on the Canadians, wearing #57 and has played 10 games


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