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r3cc0s 11-22-2011 02:38 PM

omg lower back pain... you guys?
 
Some days... my lower back just acts up and usually I can tolerate it though..

it throws my concentration off, I can't get a low and make the turns or extend the way I like to

usually I can just tighten the belt on my pants to help, but today...

I made a stop and now I got an agonizing pinch in my lower back just above the tailbone... AAArgg... just aggrivated an old football injury

How about you guys? How do you guys cope through it?
I'm going to see my chiro tomorrow, but this sucks, and yet I can go through a good chunk of the season not noticing neither... I don't get it

newfr4u 11-22-2011 03:01 PM

Treat Your Own Back book

Jarick 11-22-2011 03:30 PM

In your case I'd go to the doctor and ask them about it. An old injury and pinching in the lower back is different than sore muscles.

The Tikkanen 11-22-2011 03:44 PM

An MD can only prescribe medicine or tell you to have surgery. OP needs to see a chiropractor. These kinds of issues are easily treatable by a competent chiropractor and in my case all I have to do is pay my $30 copay for my health insurance. If your insurance covers your visit, you have a history with back pain and you play hockey I would do preventive treatment rather than waiting til there is pain again.

r3cc0s 11-22-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarick (Post 39810057)
In your case I'd go to the doctor and ask them about it. An old injury and pinching in the lower back is different than sore muscles.

I agree.... will do so :P

Any Colour You Like 11-22-2011 04:02 PM

There are several locations in my area (which sadly you may be nowhere near) that don't require surgery or meds, just therapy. But chances are you live nowhere near The City Beautiful, but if you do, I'll PM you.

newfr4u 11-22-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tikkanen (Post 39810607)
An MD can only prescribe medicine or tell you to have surgery. OP needs to see a chiropractor. These kinds of issues are easily treatable by a competent chiropractor and in my case all I have to do is pay my $30 copay for my health insurance. If your insurance covers your visit, you have a history with back pain and you play hockey I would do preventive treatment rather than waiting til there is pain again.

this is not true. although there are general practioners who are literally idiots when it comes to sports injuries and therapies, an MD can make you get an MRI, diagnose whether it's related to your muscles, bones, ligaments, or nerves, or refer you to a specialist (doctor or chiropractor).

on the other hand, a chiropractor can't diagnose or treat a bulging or herniated disc. they can do very limited things for things like a pinched nerve. they treat a majority of complaints by performing a spinal adjustment or massage, which is something the OP may or may not need.

ultimately, unless you can very clearly describe the problem and the injury to someone who is experienced in treating such ailments, most advice will be very much useless because there are 100 different causes for the vague symptom that we know as "lower back pain". i suffered from various back pains for a long time and it was only until i started reading a lot on the subject, i was able to identify what is going on in my back and find the right doctor for that treatment.

fwiw, the book i linked gives you 2 exercises for tailbone pain. it is aimed at relieving acute pain when it occurs and rehabbing your back muscles for the possibility it occurs again. for anything else it tells you to go to a doctor.

r3cc0s 11-22-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by newfr4u (Post 39811641)
this is not true. although there are general practioners who are literally idiots when it comes to sports injuries and therapies, an MD can make you get an MRI, diagnose whether it's related to your muscles, bones, ligaments, or nerves, or refer you to a specialist (doctor or chiropractor).

on the other hand, a chiropractor can't diagnose or treat a bulging or herniated disc. they can do very limited things for things like a pinched nerve. they treat a majority of complaints by performing a spinal adjustment or massage, which is something the OP may or may not need.

ultimately, unless you can very clearly describe the problem and the injury to someone who is experienced in treating such ailments, most advice will be very much useless because there are 100 different causes for the vague symptom that we know as "lower back pain". i suffered from various back pains for a long time and it was only until i started reading a lot on the subject, i was able to identify what is going on in my back and find the right doctor for that treatment.

fwiw, the book i linked gives you 2 exercises for tailbone pain. it is aimed at relieving acute pain when it occurs and rehabbing your back muscles for the possibility it occurs again. for anything else it tells you to go to a doctor.


Its a method of a few things me thinks...
need the rest and "RICE" my now inflammed back

after my football injury, did alot of rehab with doing heavy weighted straight leg deadlifts and sunrises.. went to the chiro and after a big hit in the 2nd period, I'd need to still hit up the Percs...

I quite after a season with CIS, and honestly I didn't want to be one of those guys getting corotsone injected weekly.

I stretch and do yoga, but I think I need to strength my lower abs, and see my Chiro, as well as take some robax for now, just to reduce the inflamation.

I just spent 10 minutes on my vibration machine and it loosened things up, but I'm in no shape right now to go to back on the ice.

Jarick 11-22-2011 04:49 PM

That doesn't sound at all like weak muscles, it sounds like a back problem you need to see a doctor about. I would do that sooner rather than later. I know one guy under the age of 30 who can't play anymore due to back problems...would rather get it fixed early than screw it up any worse and have to not play again.

hyster110 11-22-2011 05:14 PM

who did you play for in the CIS, some schools would have a ton of support for this

r3cc0s 11-22-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hyster110 (Post 39813773)
who did you play for in the CIS, some schools would have a ton of support for this

football... Bisons

sorta, not really... and being that its now becoming more of a common occurance I'm afraid that arthritus is setting in

hyster110 11-22-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by r3cc0s (Post 39816129)
football... Bisons

sorta, not really... and being that its now becoming more of a common occurance I'm afraid that arthritus is setting in


did you get physio for free form the school, i would take advantage of that, you should probably look into an MRI because that will probably give you the best bet of what is going on and in the mean time take advantage of the free treatment

The Tikkanen 11-22-2011 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newfr4u (Post 39811641)
this is not true. although there are general practioners who are literally idiots when it comes to sports injuries and therapies, an MD can make you get an MRI, diagnose whether it's related to your muscles, bones, ligaments, or nerves, or refer you to a specialist (doctor or chiropractor).

on the other hand, a chiropractor can't diagnose or treat a bulging or herniated disc. they can do very limited things for things like a pinched nerve. they treat a majority of complaints by performing a spinal adjustment or massage, which is something the OP may or may not need.

ultimately, unless you can very clearly describe the problem and the injury to someone who is experienced in treating such ailments, most advice will be very much useless because there are 100 different causes for the vague symptom that we know as "lower back pain". i suffered from various back pains for a long time and it was only until i started reading a lot on the subject, i was able to identify what is going on in my back and find the right doctor for that treatment.

fwiw, the book i linked gives you 2 exercises for tailbone pain. it is aimed at relieving acute pain when it occurs and rehabbing your back muscles for the possibility it occurs again. for anything else it tells you to go to a doctor.

My doctor has turned into the all too common pill pusher, he literally doesn't even listen to what I say before he gets out his pad and starts writing an RX. I'm not a believer in pain pills, does nothing more than mask pain and there is evidence the more you take the more you become sensitive to pain. I've been fortunate after 18 years of playing hockey I don't walk around with pain and I honestly have a hard time believing in some cases that people live like that but I'm sure some do. That said I have found in my case when I get banged up playing hockey and I have a sore back or sore neck I go to my chiro and I feel like brand new. But, like you said, that's just me. I can only give advice based on my experience cause I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

Grave77digger 11-22-2011 08:41 PM

I had and sometimes still have back pain. It never hurts while playing only afterwards and while standing around. A chiropractor told me I had spinal degeneration and that spooked me so I went to my doctor. A couple thousand dollars later after the MRI and they still had zero answers for me. SO I went and bought $40 arch supports for my shoes and lo and behold most of my back problems have gone away. Im starting to not trust doctors and dentists as they are getting as bad as mechanics when it comes to ripping people off.

Wease 11-22-2011 08:45 PM

Are you overweight? I know when I was heavy (lost 80+ pounds a couple of years ago) I had back issues when playing. I no longer do now.

r3cc0s 11-22-2011 09:00 PM

The days of college football has gone and past.. Almost 11 years ago... Where a couple ryes nused to help mask the pain.

I'm seeing my chiro tomorrow and will also look to get an inversion table...
Right now watching the oil with some deep relief menthacin, robax, and my massage chair.

izzy3 11-23-2011 02:56 AM

I'd agree with the guys saying that a doctor will not help you. I also think a chiro will do you more good.

Also, based on my experience simple kettlebell training (heavy swings) will improve or even make disapprear every back problem. Give it a shot if you have a chance.

Jarick 11-23-2011 09:54 AM

Even pinched nerves? I can also say kettlebells, stretches, and strengthening exercises helped with my low back pain 99% but that was just muscle pain.

izzy3 11-23-2011 10:08 AM

One of my teammates had a pinched nerve in his shoulder joint. His doc said he can forget any activity involving broad arm movement, let alone hockey. Even worse, it will get only worse as time goes on. He also suggested surgery. The guy went on to see lots of docs until one of them suggested him to try kettlebells. He did and now his shoulder is pain free (he did heavy turkish get-ups and swings).

I am no doctor or chiro, but I do not think you can separate muscle/nerve/bone problems in a human body. They all work together. So if something's wrong (eg injury) your body will develop "workarounds" to deal with the pain. You have to reteach your body to move right again, and kb is a good tool for that.

newfr4u 11-23-2011 12:42 PM

a pinched nerve is not the same thing as a muscular/bone problem. it is literally dangerous to suggest otherwise.

kettlebells increase your strength. strength does wonders to heal and prevent injuries, but there are a multitude of problems for which swings will be ever more painful and incorrect form will hurt you even more. please consult someone who can at least formcheck your swings and TGUs before jumping into something like this.

Stickmata 11-23-2011 01:29 PM

I have spinal degeneration and had two herniated disks that resulted in severe sciatica leading to nerve damage and foot drop in my left leg (the latter of which really s$cks). Had to have double disc surgery back in 2008, which was mostly successful.

I still have some nerve issues and pain from time to time, but I've realized that the #1 contributing factor to my back pain is not my core strength, not how much I stretch, not what my chiro did for me (that was basically useless), but rather it's how much sleep I get. When I am getting good restful sleep, my back is fine. When I'm stressed out and not getting as many hours of sleep, my back begins to bother me.

Greeneye 11-23-2011 01:49 PM

stretching out your hamstrings works wonders.

izzy3 11-23-2011 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newfr4u (Post 39847135)
a pinched nerve is not the same thing as a muscular/bone problem. it is literally dangerous to suggest otherwise.

kettlebells increase your strength. strength does wonders to heal and prevent injuries, but there are a multitude of problems for which swings will be ever more painful and incorrect form will hurt you even more. please consult someone who can at least formcheck your swings and TGUs before jumping into something like this.

A pinched nerve is an indication of something going wrong, and can not be separately treated. The body is a complex machine you can't take anything out.

KBs are not just for strength increase they improve the complete posterior chain, but this is not a kb forum. Obviously beginners should start with an instuctor, as kbs are simple tools, but can cause harm if someone uses the wrong technique.

newfr4u 11-23-2011 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by izzy3 (Post 39855585)
A pinched nerve is an indication of something going wrong, and can not be separately treated. The body is a complex machine you can't take anything out.

KBs are not just for strength increase they improve the complete posterior chain, but this is not a kb forum. Obviously beginners should start with an instuctor, as kbs are simple tools, but can cause harm if someone uses the wrong technique.

you seem to be confused what your friend was diagnosed with, what injury he actually had, and which treatment (if any) relieved his symptoms and/or problem.

you also seem confused about the complete posterior chain and kettlebells. perhaps you should consult a kb forum.

Lososaurus 11-23-2011 11:18 PM

For what it's worth: Do you stretch?

I've found that when I don't stretch, I have back pain for the next 24-48 hours.

Try doing the classic touch your toes stretch and a triangle stretch before games( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZADA5EzIj_k the first stretch )


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