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Oilers Ent 09-16-2004 09:41 PM

Would You Watch Scabs Play?
 
We've been talking about this on the Oilers' board a bit and it's gotten some interesting results. Take a look: http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=104060. Just wondering what everyone thinks.

There has been some speculation about the league perhaps eventually calling an "impasse". If that occurs the league could force a new economic system on the league at which point the players would likely strike.

This leads to an interesting question - would you watch scabs play in NHL uniforms?

Here's Gary's current statements:

Q. Commissioner, what is the League's entitlement if a year goes by and there is no agreement? How can you reconstitute the League and begin play again?

COMMISSIONER BETTMAN: The question that you are asking is, when can an employer unilaterally implement new terms and conditions of employment. You can do that at impasse. I have seen a lot of speculation that that's something that we plan to do, and it's something, quite frankly, we haven't given any thought. We're hoping that at some point in the not-too-distant future, the League and the players can get together and that the Union will finally be prepared to negotiate the type of partnership deal that can take our game forward.

Q. This may be too early to say, but do you ever envision a scenario in which you might use replacement players?

COMMISSIONER BETTMAN: As I indicated before that's not anything we have been considering. Speculation on that has probably been used as a device to get the players energized, but it's not something we're considering right now.

from: http://www.nhlcbanews.com/transcript..._qa091504.html

loudi94 09-16-2004 09:44 PM

Uniform first and player second!!

Grave77digger 09-16-2004 09:45 PM

AHL teams should play in there parent club building

Benji Frank 09-16-2004 09:55 PM

Can you imagine guys showing up in their Chevy's to cross a picket line formed by a bunch of guys driving Ferrarri's??

I don't think it'll get to that. There's 700 wives/girlfriends and several more alimony/support payments that won't allow it to get to that!!! :D :D

I say we start seeing some serious cracks (in the union!! ;)) by Christmas!!!

GKJ 09-16-2004 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Grave77digger
AHL teams should play in there parent club building

And penalize the AHL markets? The AHL won't make nearly as much money and there isn't even 30 AHL teams right now, to even cover most of the costs it does for NHL clubs. Most AHL teams are not owned by their NHL parent.


Although the Phantoms and Flyers have the same owner, even the same city. Philadelphia lucked out a bit with this lockout.

ALF AmericanLionsFan 09-16-2004 10:57 PM

Hell no. Too much other good hockey to watch i.e. AHL, Euro Leagues, College and Junior. Plenty to keep you occupied until these clowns figure this out. :shakehead

Sotnos 09-16-2004 11:02 PM

If this was what I got stuck watching with my tickets (that I've already paid for), I'd demand a big portion of my money back, since I'd most likely be watching some seriously sub-par hockey.

me2 09-16-2004 11:41 PM

Trained monkeys in a team jumper will do.

Sotnos 09-17-2004 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by me2
Trained monkeys in a team jumper will do.

Even if they're charging you standard NHL prices to watch them?

The monkey idea does sound pretty fun though :)

Puckhead 09-17-2004 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji Frank
Can you imagine guys showing up in their Chevy's to cross a picket line formed by a bunch of guys driving Ferrarri's??

I don't think it'll get to that. There's 700 wives/girlfriends and several more alimony/support payments that won't allow it to get to that!!! :D :D

I say we start seeing some serious cracks (in the union!! ;)) by Christmas!!!


I hope you're right BF!

BCCHL inactive 09-17-2004 12:51 AM

No to scabs.

Why would I want to watch scabs in the NHL (most likely minor pro and junior players) and pay NHL ticket prices when I could watch those same players play with their regular teams at an AHL, ECHL or CHL ticket price??

a89mogilny89 09-17-2004 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave77digger
AHL teams should play in there parent club building

Definitely not. And I'm not just saying that because I am in an AHL city, but the AHL agreed on their CBA- no need to pull it out of their markets.

rt 09-17-2004 01:11 AM

Hell yeah, I'd watch the scabs. If enough people did watch the scabs, we'd see the union crack pretty damn quick. Unless of course, the current NHLers are eager to look for new jobs, without college degrees, in this economy. I'd say that when listing "special skills" on a resume, a 95mph slapshot probably won't get you a job in sales.

ExplosiveLEAFman 09-17-2004 01:36 AM

No and most people wouldn't. Talk is cheap. Scabs only sounds like a good idea (not to me) until you watch them play.

me2 09-17-2004 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sotnos
Even if they're charging you standard NHL prices to watch them?

The monkey idea does sound pretty fun though :)

Clearly with monkeys they'd only be charging peanuts.

AHLers wouldn't be much more.

Vlad The Impaler 09-17-2004 04:44 AM

I would.

And anyone who thinks the NHL would charge regular price to attend games is most probably seriously misguided.

Quite simply, I will watch the best hockey I can watch. I like options. This means if the NHL employed scabs but that other options were more entertaining, I wouldn't watch the scabs.

But I have nothing against the concept itself and would watch gladly.

struckmatch 09-17-2004 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by explosivethinman
No and most people wouldn't. Talk is cheap. Scabs only sounds like a good idea (not to me) until you watch them play.

You mean end to end, emotion filled, passionate hockey without traps or defensive systems employed to put the crowds to sleep? You mean actual offensive hockey?

Oh no, who wants that. Bring me the Minnesota Wild and Carolina Hurricanes. ;)

BCCHL inactive 09-17-2004 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puck you
You mean end to end, emotion filled, passionate hockey without traps or defensive systems employed to put the crowds to sleep? You mean actual offensive hockey?

If you think the trap/defensive hockey doesn't exist outside the NHL, you haven't watched much hockey outside the NHL in recent years.

Tom_Benjamin 09-17-2004 05:14 AM

Most AHL players are on NHL contracts. Replacements would have to be drawn mostly from the ECHL and the semi-pro leagues. I don't think the hockey can be sold as anywhere near major league. I think most fans would prefer Major Junior.

It isn't going to happen. The NHL will try to get a judge to declare an impasse in the negotiations and allow them to unilaterally impose change. The NHLPA will oppose that that motion. I'm not going to try to guess what a judge will do in that case but I would guess that it depends on whether there is a lot more effort on the owner's behalf to negotiate a deal between now and then. If the judge rules for the players, nothing changes.

If the judge rules in favour of the league, the NHL will probably try to tempt the players with the most generous salary cap system they are prepared to give. The players will have three options: 1) Convert the lockout to a strike. As long as the players hold firm nothing really changes 2) Decertify the union, report for work and start with the anti-trust lawsuits or 3) Accept the deal or a variation of the deal.

Tom

Vlad The Impaler 09-17-2004 06:16 AM

Tom, if the NHL could legally pull it, would (some of) the NHL-bound players have (legally) the right to cross the line and play with the scabs?

me2 09-17-2004 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad The Impaler
Tom, if the NHL could legally pull it, would (some of) the NHL-bound players have (legally) the right to cross the line and play with the scabs?

After the impasse: Yes (and some will). Until that time we won't know how big a rift exists within the NHLPA. 40% of players might not be happy with Goodenow and walk as a group. It might be 10%, it might be just a handful. With 1200 employees and fringe NHL/AHL/prospects you can bet some will cross. Its not if, its how many and equally important WHO.

Vlad The Impaler 09-17-2004 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me2
After the impasse: Yes (and some will). Until that time we won't know how big a rift exists within the NHLPA. 40% of players might not be happy with Goodenow and walk as a group. It might be 10%, it might be just a handful. With 1200 employees and fringe NHL/AHL/prospects you can bet some will cross. Its not if, its how many and equally important WHO.

Ok. My problem with the question (whether they can LEGALLY cross after the impasse) and my problem with replacement players is because of the numerous provincial/state and federal laws at work.

I would really like a study to be done, something. I winder why reporters keep on presenting inane issues and moan instead of reporting interesting stuff like that.

I mean, labor laws differ in Canada and the US. That's one issue. Then hockey takes place in four Canadian provinces, which also have different laws and God knows how many US states. I don't know if US states each have different labor laws the same way we do in our different provinces either.

The whole thing is very complicated and it's tough to find clear answers. I'd like to see detailed articles about that one day, instead of seeing Bob McKenzie's mug telling me the same stuff over and over again like a broken record.

BrickRed 09-17-2004 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave77digger
AHL teams should play in there parent club building

I agree. Teams should do more of this anyway.

BrickRed 09-17-2004 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puck you
You mean end to end, emotion filled, passionate hockey without traps or defensive systems employed to put the crowds to sleep? You mean actual offensive hockey?

Oh no, who wants that. Bring me the Minnesota Wild and Carolina Hurricanes. ;)

Right on. I'll take players with something to prove, sensible rules called consistently & 80s goalie pads tomorrow.

justapantherfan 09-17-2004 09:03 AM

Yes To Scabs


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