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Edge 09-18-2004 05:53 PM

Interesting Draft Thread
 
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=102658

Unknownbutfamous 09-18-2004 06:21 PM

Our list was

Ovechkin
Malkin
Barker
Ladd
Montoya
Korpikoski

Right?

Man, i gotta get my hands on that show. Did any one see it? Did they show the Rangers offering the Caps for the #1 Overall pick?

NYRangers 09-18-2004 06:29 PM

N.M this

Levitate 09-18-2004 06:34 PM

rangers had barker listed pretty low too...

i have a sneaking suspicion that people (hf posters) might be overrating barker...but i could be wrong, he could be real good, but i'm not sure myself

and people seem to like to diss montoya for whatever reason...enamored with the "flashy" schwarz i guess

Edge 09-18-2004 06:41 PM

Well regardless of my feelings on him. I've noticed around the league people love him or they don't.

Like I know at least 7 teams that had Barker rated 8-10. I can also name seven who had him ranked 3-4.

It depends on which theory you subscribe to. One thinks he is takes shifts off and isnt willing to work hard enough to be a dominate NHL defenseman. The other things he was overtaxed with his icetime and is the best defenseman in this draft and right up there with the big three defenseman from last year.

Unknownbutfamous 09-18-2004 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Levitate
rangers had barker listed pretty low too...

i have a sneaking suspicion that people (hf posters) might be overrating barker...but i could be wrong, he could be real good, but i'm not sure myself

and people seem to like to diss montoya for whatever reason...enamored with the "flashy" schwarz i guess


Thing thing I like about Montoya is he has the heart of a champion. He stops the puck with heart, which is the reason he will be better than Schwarz.

Edge 09-18-2004 06:44 PM

The concern with Schwatz is the head on his shoulders. Him, Schremp, and Radulov have a ton of talent but team's {probably more than i've ever seen} really liked kids who showed a lot of heart. Amongst them Ladd, Montoya, Korpikoski, Picard, etc.

A lot of talent fell in this draft because teams were concerned about issues not involving talent.

patnyrnyg 09-18-2004 06:44 PM

I saw that show, but I wonder if we really saw the REAL list?

One thing I noticed about episode 1. You see them talking with Maloney, and behind him is one of the scouts placing a large amount of cash into an envelope, wonder where that was going, and for what?

I remember earlier in the year people talking about Wolski, any idea why he dropped the way he did?

NYRangers 09-18-2004 06:47 PM

found it, Rangers were....

1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin
3. Ladd
4. Montoya
5. Korpikoski
6. Stafford
7. Barker

Edge 09-18-2004 06:49 PM

Quote:

I saw that show, but I wonder if we really saw the REAL list?
Well that is the hard part, especially with the Rangers. They usually produce a few, but I think we've pinpointed the best we can on this board what it was.
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One thing I noticed about episode 1. You see them talking with Maloney, and behind him is one of the scouts placing a large amount of cash into an envelope, wonder where that was going, and for what?

Lol, I wouldn't read too much into that. They send money to various scouts and agents and other areas for reports.

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I remember earlier in the year people talking about Wolski, any idea why he dropped the way he did?
Combination of things. MAny people {myself included} felt he was a one dimensional player whose one dimension just wasn't that overwhelming. He avoided the corners and just wasn't using his size to help himself out.

Then in a contradictory sounding incident, he got in trouble for assulating another kid at a party. I believe that still hasn't been solved.

He was dropping like a rock heading into the draft and that incident only made it worse.

Broadway Brett 09-18-2004 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Edge
Combination of things. MAny people {myself included} felt he was a one dimensional player whose one dimension just wasn't that overwhelming. He avoided the corners and just wasn't using his size to help himself out.

Then in a contradictory sounding incident, he got in trouble for assulating another kid at a party. I believe that still hasn't been solved.

He was dropping like a rock heading into the draft and that incident only made it worse.

I thought he was projected to go between 10-15, so he didn't drop that much, unless I'm wrong about where he was projected to go.

bmoak 09-18-2004 08:05 PM

I thought another concern with Wolski was that even though he had a good year, he showed almost no improvement from the previous season. There are a lot of guys who are good in junior but who plateau at 18 (which is why players who come on strong and show a lot improvement their draft year attract so much attention from GMs)

Edge 09-19-2004 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Broadway Crosby
I thought he was projected to go between 10-15, so he didn't drop that much, unless I'm wrong about where he was projected to go.

Well before the draft that's where he was marked but probably as last as march he was a top ten pick.

At the begining of the year he was a possible top 5 pick.

From what I understand he came dangerously close to falling out of the first round altogether by the time the draft rolled around.

So in the course of a year he went from top 5 to wondering if he'd even slip out of the first.

Edge 09-19-2004 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmoak
I thought another concern with Wolski was that even though he had a good year, he showed almost no improvement from the previous season. There are a lot of guys who are good in junior but who plateau at 18 (which is why players who come on strong and show a lot improvement their draft year attract so much attention from GMs)


You're right, I was going to mention that but I forgot.

I remember talking about that way before the draft as well. One thing that was concerning was that he was almost the same exact player this year as he was last year.

Broadway Brett 09-19-2004 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Edge
Well before the draft that's where he was marked but probably as last as march he was a top ten pick.

At the begining of the year he was a possible top 5 pick.

From what I understand he came dangerously close to falling out of the first round altogether by the time the draft rolled around.

So in the course of a year he went from top 5 to wondering if he'd even slip out of the first.

Oh, okay. I know last year he was projected be a top 5 pick, but I thought you meant his projection right before the draft.

Edge 09-19-2004 05:05 PM

Oh no, by that time he was already in a bit of a freefall similar to Schremp.

Ironically their stories played out very similarly.

Hindsight of course is always 20/20, but knowing what we knew then I wouldn't have taken a flyer on either of them inside the top 15. Their talent certainly warranted it, but there were just too many concerns for my taste.


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