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ALF AmericanLionsFan 09-22-2004 08:59 PM

Grigorenko RSL Togliatti
 
Can anyone inform me on how he is doing for Togliatti? Haven't seen anything about him. Any info is appreciated.

montreal 09-22-2004 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Galvin
Can anyone inform me on how he is doing for Togliatti? Haven't seen anything about him. Any info is appreciated.



6-0-0-0 27 pims.


http://www.metallurg.ru/base/playeri...?idplayer=1324

Amen evil king 09-22-2004 09:40 PM

Or, if you prefer English, try this.

n00dles 09-23-2004 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by montreal

Wow, 27 pm in 6 games for a skill player??

Whats up with that? :dunno:
Grigorenko didn't strike me as overly feisty before.

Birko19 09-23-2004 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by n00dles
Wow, 27 pm in 6 games for a skill player??

Whats up with that? :dunno:
Grigorenko didn't strike me as overly feisty before.

Grigorenko has always been a feisty player, he might not be a big kid but he sure is a gritty one, Scotty Bowman one time said that Grigorenko is the closest thing to a powerforward that the Wings have.

As for his stats, I believe the stats you have up there are wrong because I heard from another Russian poster that Grigorenko already has 3 points in 5 games so far, so I'm assuming he has at least 3 points in 6 games, I'm not too sure though, this is the one thing I don't like about players that play in Russia, you can never get the real story or stats for them.

montreal 09-23-2004 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Birko19
Grigorenko has always been a feisty player, he might not be a big kid but he sure is a gritty one, Scotty Bowman one time said that Grigorenko is the closest thing to a powerforward that the Wings have.

As for his stats, I believe the stats you have up there are wrong because I heard from another Russian poster that Grigorenko already has 3 points in 5 games so far, so I'm assuming he has at least 3 points in 6 games, I'm not too sure though, this is the one thing I don't like about players that play in Russia, you can never get the real story or stats for them.



Well I got those stats from the Russian site, which is usually very good from what I understand.

windowlicker 09-23-2004 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Birko19
As for his stats, I believe the stats you have up there are wrong because I heard from another Russian poster that Grigorenko already has 3 points in 5 games so far, so I'm assuming he has at least 3 points in 6 games, I'm not too sure though, this is the one thing I don't like about players that play in Russia, you can never get the real story or stats for them.

Per hockeydb.com (quite reliable), he's at 0 points in 6 games & 27 PM.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=56783

Birko19 09-23-2004 04:28 PM

Hmm, maybe so, I don't know because I heard something different from another person, the only thing I can think of is maybe the guy was talking about the pre-season games, I think that would make more sense.

417 09-23-2004 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Birko19
Hmm, maybe so, I don't know because I heard something different from another person, the only thing I can think of is maybe the guy was talking about the pre-season games, I think that would make more sense.

Yes, it was preseason stats

Chuckalinsky 09-23-2004 05:29 PM

What kind of a league are we talking here. Is he in the Russian Super Elite Leauge, Junior league? In other words what kind of point production can we expect from him.

montreal 09-23-2004 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuckalinsky
What kind of a league are we talking here. Is he in the Russian Super Elite Leauge, Junior league? In other words what kind of point production can we expect from him.


He's in the Super League and I think he's on the 2nd line but it might be the first. I know before his injury he was on the 1st line with Alex Buturlin, but I don't think they are playing on the same line this year, although its still very early in the season.

shadoz19 09-23-2004 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by windowlicker
Per hockeydb.com (quite reliable), he's at 0 points in 6 games & 27 PM.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=56783

He has 1 point in 6 games. Thats from http://www.hclada.ru/ which is Lada Togliatta's website. If you go to www.worldlingo.com and use machine translate, you can traslate their website. Its not the best but it'll do. :)

montreal 09-23-2004 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoz19
He has 1 point in 6 games. Thats from http://www.hclada.ru/ which is Lada Togliatta's website. If you go to www.worldlingo.com and use machine translate, you can traslate their website. Its not the best but it'll do. :)


It also says he's got only 2 pims not 27. Guess someone entered in the wrong numbers :dunno:

gretzky1545 10-05-2004 06:19 AM

any updates?

shadoz19 10-06-2004 10:06 AM

He did get his first goal according to Russian hockey Digest. Came in his 9th game (Lada's 11th game). redwingscentral.com updates Detroit's prospects once a week. Usually they mention Grigorenko.

Jason MacIsaac 10-06-2004 10:09 AM

I hope he isn't included in the top 10 prospects like last year. The guy was injured and he isn't close to as good as he once was.

Chaos 10-06-2004 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonMacIsaac
I hope he isn't included in the top 10 prospects like last year. The guy was injured and he isn't close to as good as he once was.

But he was drafted by Detroit, so he automatically gets more attention :(

PigPen 10-06-2004 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonMacIsaac
I hope he isn't included in the top 10 prospects like last year. The guy was injured and he isn't close to as good as he once was.

Give the guy a break. He's skated in what, 14 games this season year and last year combined? He's also playing 3rd line duty so don't expect a lot of points out of him just yet.

Jason MacIsaac 10-06-2004 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PigPen
Give the guy a break. He's skated in what, 14 games this season year and last year combined? He's also playing 3rd line duty so don't expect a lot of points out of him just yet.

I will give him a break but that doesn't justify how good a prospect he really is. Suglobov put up more points on 4th line in the RSL then Grig is on pace for this year on the 3rd line. Injuries are part of the game and they should be included in any prospect ranking. How he was top ten last year is beyond me.

Jacob 10-06-2004 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PigPen
Give the guy a break. He's skated in what, 14 games this season year and last year combined? He's also playing 3rd line duty so don't expect a lot of points out of him just yet.

No reason to give the guy a break when it comes to prospect rankings. The fact remains he should be well out of the top 20.

Birko19 10-06-2004 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbsktball1
any updates?

Lada played 2 games since his last goal Igore scored, I'm not sure what the box-scores for them are but I'll find out in a week or so, in the meantime Igor is sitting on 2 points in 9 games, a goal and an assist.

The guy on fire for Lada is Alexander Semin, he has 5 points in 7 games, 4 goals and 1 assist.

shadoz19 10-18-2004 12:04 PM

Here's an update:

http://www.allsports.com/nhl/redwing...rigorenko.html

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“He doesn’t have the necessary conditioning yet and his movements are inferior — the effects of the accident are visible,” Togliatti coach Petr Vorobiev told the Russian newspaper MK in Togliatti. “We sent him down to the farm club, and it influenced him a little, because he thinks that he is already back, normal, but there is nothing normal here.”

Vatican Roulette 10-18-2004 12:33 PM

he scored in his 1st game in the lower league. Damn the wings for not bringing him over here, they screwed up.


By the way, it seems some posters on here are like sharks that smell blood in the water. Just because a guy is injured doesn't mean he wont recover.

But hey, if he dont, you guys can buy and gun and take him out back like a dog...

Wally112pac 10-18-2004 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pavel datsyuk
he scored in his 1st game in the lower league. Damn the wings for not bringing him over here, they screwed up.


By the way, it seems some posters on here are like sharks that smell blood in the water. Just because a guy is injured doesn't mean he wont recover.

But hey, if he dont, you guys can buy and gun and take him out back like a dog...


He'll be fine.

I don't think robyn regehr was 100% the year after his accident either.

SmokeyClause 10-18-2004 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pavel datsyuk
he scored in his 1st game in the lower league. Damn the wings for not bringing him over here, they screwed up.


By the way, it seems some posters on here are like sharks that smell blood in the water. Just because a guy is injured doesn't mean he wont recover.

But hey, if he dont, you guys can buy and gun and take him out back like a dog...


They might appear cruel, but their points are valid. When a guy is injured, it is sometimes assumed he will recover. What people need to realize is that there is a chance that Grigs will never fully recover. How high that chance is remains to be seen, but like a significant flaw in a players game (skating, headcase), this needs to be taken into account when discussing Grigs. He could very well become the player he was before the accident. But there is a really good chance he won't.


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