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Rgolt 12-12-2011 10:35 PM

The last of Pat Hickey?
 
One of Pat Hickey's recent articles has drawn major fire and have people calling for his job (headed by Theo Fleury). Thus leading me to wonder, can this be the end of Pat Hickey with the Montreal Gazette?

here is the original article.... http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...382/story.html

and here are a couple of tweets...
bruce_arthur Bruce Arthur
I consider Pat a friend, and he's always treated me with kindness. But I can't defend that column.

TheoFleury14 Theo Fleury
We demand that Pat Hicke be fired from the Montreal Gazette effective immediately

metricjulie Julie
Pat Hickey you giant ****ing tool. Expect the wrath of metricjulie in your inbox tonight. (you should read this...My response to Pat Hickey of The Montreal Gazette http://metricjulie.tumblr.com/post/1...ntreal-gazette)

bcv 12-12-2011 10:43 PM

What are they mad at? Saying that James deserve hard time? Or that Fleury is being an hypocrite, which is true? This quote says it all.

Quote:

I agree James should be doing hard time. In fact, I don’t understand why he was granted bail earlier this year after Fleury ended years of silence by detailing the abuse in his best-selling, as-told-to autobiography.

But I find it hypocritical that Fleury can blast the justice system for giving James two months of freedom when he provided his former coach with years.

Watsatheo 12-12-2011 10:44 PM

I think his intent was to shed light on Sheldon Kennedy but it came out very anti Fleury.

Rgolt 12-12-2011 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcv (Post 40857573)
What are they mad at? Saying that James deserve hard time? This quote says it all.

u really got it all wrong. theyre upset that Hickey is blaming the victim (Fleury). Theyre saying its people like Pat Hickey that is the reason assault victim are afraid to speak up

Rgolt 12-12-2011 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsatheo (Post 40857657)
I think his intent was to shed light on Sheldon Kennedy but it came out very anti Fleury.

ya i agree with you here. Unfortunately it was too anti fleury

Seb 12-12-2011 10:46 PM

Not sure why Pat Hickey would write such things, it just asks for trouble.

Who the hell is he to say Theo Fleury isn't credible because he didn't speak soon enough?

Garry Valk 12-12-2011 10:47 PM

I think, more than anything, the point of the column is to say that Sheldon Kennedy is a hero and gets no attention, while Fleury gets lauded with praise. I think Hickey has a point.

waffledave 12-12-2011 10:48 PM

Was stupid indeed, but journalists in this town have gotten away with worse.

Habnot 12-12-2011 10:48 PM

People tend not to read - Pat is right but in this day of political correctness and with all the recent scandals, god forbid if you say anything somewhat critical about a victim.

Nobody should question Fleury’s decision to remain silent. What should be questioned is Fleury’s continuing role in James’s life. At the time of Kennedy’s revelations, James was the coach of the Calgary Hitmen. He was one of the co-owners of the junior team in the Western Hockey League. One of the other owners was Theoren Fleury. Here was someone who had suffered abuse at the hands of Graham James. Here was someone who knew that James had abused other players. Here was someone who was exposing other children to the same sexual predator.

Fleury has been through enough counselling to know there’s a word for someone who acts in this fashion - enabler.

Rgolt 12-12-2011 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habnot (Post 40857875)
People tend not to read - Pat is right but in this day of political correctness and with all the recent scandals, god forbid if you say anything somewhat critical about a victim.

Nobody should question Fleury’s decision to remain silent. What should be questioned is Fleury’s continuing role in James’s life. At the time of Kennedy’s revelations, James was the coach of the Calgary Hitmen. He was one of the co-owners of the junior team in the Western Hockey League. One of the other owners was Theoren Fleury. Here was someone who had suffered abuse at the hands of Graham James. Here was someone who knew that James had abused other players. Here was someone who was exposing other children to the same sexual predator.

Fleury has been through enough counselling to know there’s a word for someone who acts in this fashion - enabler.

Fleury explanation is that he had stockholm syndrome. Only Fleury knows how true this is

bcv 12-12-2011 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb (Post 40857725)
Not sure why Pat Hickey would write such things, it just asks for trouble.

Who the hell is he to say Theo Fleury isn't credible because he didn't speak soon enough?

Not what he said. He said that Fleury was being hypocrite by blasting the judicial system for giving him 2 months of freedom while Fleury gave him many years.

I don't agree with James getting any freedom, just like Hickey, but the way Fleury called out the justice system was just uncalled for.

Hackett 12-12-2011 10:51 PM

After reading that piece, I think its overblown.

The last paragraph was a bit harsh, but I didnt read anything outrageous.

waffledave 12-12-2011 10:59 PM

I read it again but I still think he was way too harsh.

AntonCH 12-12-2011 11:00 PM

Hickey speaks the truth
Think of what he says for a moment

Also i'm old enough to remember when Kennedy came out and looked to Fleury for support, he ended up getting a resounding silence from Fleury.

You can draw parallels to Paterno if you wish, considering the time that when James was a coach of the hitmen, Fleury an owner in the leaugue et al.

Not sure Fleury has a leg to stand on, if you hold others to higher ideals, make sure you stand the test first

Rgolt 12-12-2011 11:01 PM

Pat Hickey brings up many valuable points; however, unfortunately he tarnishes all of them with too much hate thrown at Fleury. Hickey should know people get sensitive when you blame the victim

Crimson Skorpion 12-12-2011 11:03 PM

A bit anti-Fleury but as mentioned, it seems to try to shed more spot-light on Sheldon Kennedy than it tries to throw Fleury to the dogs. Not Hickey's greatest moments but to call for his head is ludicrous.

AntonCH 12-12-2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rgolt (Post 40858335)
Pat Hickey brings up many valuable points; however, unfortunately he tarnishes all of them with too much hate thrown at Fleury. Hickey should know people get sensitive when you blame the victim

Fleury chose NOT to play the victim when he first had the chance. When Kennedy looked to him for support, Fleury turned away.
The real victim here is Kennedy.
Do itake away what Fleury went thru? Absolutely not!!
But he chose his path, live with it. We are all responsible for our actions, there's no take backsies.

Habnot 12-12-2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 40858263)
Hickey speaks the truth
Think of what he says for a moment

Also i'm old enough to remember when Kennedy came out and looked to Fleury for support, he ended up getting a resounding silence from Fleury.

You can draw parallels to Paterno if you wish, considering the time that when James was a coach of the hitmen, Fleury an owner in the leaugue et al.

Not sure Fleury has a leg to stand on, if you hold others to higher ideals, make sure you stand the test first

Not sure if this is a valid comparison. Paterno was never abused.

Rgolt 12-12-2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonSkorpion (Post 40858393)
A bit anti-Fleury but as mentioned, it seems to try to shed more spot-light on Sheldon Kennedy than it tries to throw Fleury to the dogs. Not Hickey's greatest moments but to call for his head is ludicrous.

Well tell that to Theo Fleury bc him and his 37000 followers are ready to start a movement

Seb 12-12-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 40858263)
Hickey speaks the truth
Think of what he says for a moment

Also i'm old enough to remember when Kennedy came out and looked to Fleury for support, he ended up getting a resounding silence from Fleury.

You can draw parallels to Paterno if you wish, considering the time that when James was a coach of the hitmen, Fleury an owner in the leaugue et al.

Not sure Fleury has a leg to stand on, if you hold others to higher ideals, make sure you stand the test first

Fleury was sexually abused, not Paterno.

Victims are scared to talk. Hickey should know better.

Quote:

But I find it hypocritical that Fleury can blast the justice system for giving James two months of freedom when he provided his former coach with years.
Seriously... this is just awful.

Bloumeister 12-12-2011 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rgolt (Post 40857937)
Fleury explanation is that he had stockholm syndrome. Only Fleury knows how true this is

Considering how 'damaged' Fleury has been over the years, it's not much of a stretch to think that he either was a) in full denial b) in a near-catatonic state c) too ****ed up to realize what was going on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb (Post 40858593)
Fleury was sexually abused, not Paterno.

Victims are scared to talk. Hickey should know better.

Seriously... this is just awful.

What he said.

AntonCH 12-12-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habnot (Post 40858539)
Not sure if this is a valid comparison. Paterno was never abused.

Paterno apparently knew what sandusky was doing, as Fleury knew first hand the history of a coach named james.
Both chose to do little if nothing. Paterno got fired because of it, Fleury is escaping the firing line because he was once abused. yet the parallel i believe is there

Habnot 12-12-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloumeister (Post 40858667)
Considering how 'damaged' Fleury has been over the years, it's not much of a stretch to think that he either was a) in full denial b) in a near-catatonic state c) too ****ed up to realize what was going on.

Don't forget he was a substance abuser

Crimson Skorpion 12-12-2011 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rgolt (Post 40858545)
Well tell that to Theo Fleury bc him and his 37000 followers are ready to start a movement

I don't really give a crap about his 37,000 followers, 95% of which are the likes of people like you and me. If Fleury has a problem, which he does then he did the right thing by calling out Hickey. Calling for his job, I think is too much but definitely ask for an apology in writing - most likely in the form of a follow up article.

There is no need for this article, I will admit. Even if he is right on every front, it is still not politically correct to write the things he did. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I will stand by that but when you put it in writing, for the world to see and for yourself to earn a living off of, you need to be held accountable.

AntonCH 12-12-2011 11:13 PM

the "truth" is Hickey called Fleury out and Fleury didn't like it, but what hickey had to say cannot be refuted or called lies.


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