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SixthSens 12-22-2011 08:32 AM

Trade Proposals and Rumors Part XX
 
Previous thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=1032941

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Alfieghetti 12-22-2011 08:40 AM

pardon my asking sir, but why are we starting a new thread on this matter when a perfectly good one already existed?

OgieO 12-22-2011 08:45 AM

Once a thread gets to 1000 posts, it gets buggy or something so they die and we start new ones.

JonnyMacSen 12-22-2011 09:10 AM

LA:

Regin + Butler


Ott:

Penner + 2nd


Murray gets a guy he's been after for years who's yet another project, along with a replacement 2nd that we lost. LA sheds salary and gets more scoring depth throughout the lines.

To much? Too little?

Romans12_12 12-22-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyMacSen (Post 41331065)
LA:

Regin + Butler


Ott:

Penner + 2nd


Murray gets a guy he's been after for years who's yet another project, along with a replacement 2nd that we lost. LA sheds salary and gets more scoring depth throughout the lines.

To much? Too little?

Unless Penner's stock has just hit rock bottom, I do not see how Regin has equal value. Butler is not worth a second. So I think this is major underpayment on the Sens part. LA would never go for it.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:12 AM

I doubt LA even considers that, Butler wouldn't make their team most likely and Regin is at best their #4C.

JustinYS 12-22-2011 09:12 AM

Would rather not have Penner. Anyone else we can get instead?

The Turret 12-22-2011 09:12 AM

Penner =

http://milesmathis.com/Black.jpg


Where offense comes to die!

SensHero 12-22-2011 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyMacSen (Post 41331065)
LA:

Regin + Butler


Ott:

Penner + 2nd


Murray gets a guy he's been after for years who's yet another project, along with a replacement 2nd that we lost. LA sheds salary and gets more scoring depth throughout the lines.

To much? Too little?

Last year I might have agreed, but Penner just doesn't seem like the type that would fit in MacLeans system. We preach hard work and effort in both ends of the ice, and speed. Doesn't seem like Penner would thrive in this type of system.

Laoghaire 12-22-2011 09:15 AM

Shame the whole 1000 post thing is a myth.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331123)
I doubt LA even considers that, Butler wouldn't make their team most likely and Regin is at best their #4C.

Penner could also fetch a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline or a similar player like Langkow, Boyes, Huselius or Hudler plus a pick (depending on the player). I think thats much more appealing than anything Ottawa would/could/should offer.

SensHero 12-22-2011 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331285)
Penner could also fetch a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline or a similar player like Langkow, Boyes, Huselius or Hudler plus a pick (depending on the player). I think thats much more appealing than anything Ottawa would/could/should offer.

The cap relief alone might interest LA, not having to take back a large salary for Penner is intriguing, they can then spend come FA time or use that space to make another trade elsewhere.

It's like the Ryan Smyth deal, the got nothing in return but used the space to take on Richards cap hit.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensHero (Post 41331381)
The cap relief alone might interest LA, not having to take back a large salary for Penner is intriguing, they can then spend come FA time or use that space to make another trade elsewhere.

It's like the Ryan Smyth deal, the got nothing in return but used the space to take on Richards cap hit.

Penner= Impending UFA.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331421)
Penner= Impending UFA.

And all the players I mentioned are also impending UFAs. Sorry for self-quoting, I can't edit.

wjhl2009fan 12-22-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331123)
I doubt LA even considers that, Butler wouldn't make their team most likely and Regin is at best their #4C.

Since he is a ufa next year and if La is a seller at the deadline it would not shock me if they just trade him to get something back be it a draft pick or a young player.

German Senator 12-22-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romans12_12 (Post 41331121)
Unless Penner's stock has just hit rock bottom, I do not see how Regin has equal value. Butler is not worth a second. So I think this is major underpayment on the Sens part. LA would never go for it.

Murray wouldn´t do it too. MacLean really likes Regin and Penner doesn´t fit into the system and the rebuilding plans.

SensHero 12-22-2011 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331443)
And all the players I mentioned are also impending UFAs. Sorry for self-quoting, I can't edit.

That doesn't stop them from trading him for a pick or a low salary player and still spending the money elsewhere in a different deal. I can't see them trade a pending UFA for another pending UFA, where is the improvement there? For either team involved.

JonnyMacSen 12-22-2011 09:26 AM

Yeah it was more due to the fact that I figured Penner has negative value at this point and Regin is still relatively young, plus there having trouble scoring.

I could see maybe Maclean actually getting Penner's game back to form if anything, but who knows with that guy.

Butler was just a throw in, I'd do one of our 3rds instead if it made a difference.

Anyway, just a random thought of the morning.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensHero (Post 41331545)
That doesn't stop them from trading him for a pick or a low salary player and still spending the money elsewhere in a different deal. I can't see them trade a pending UFA for another pending UFA, where is the improvement there? For either team involved.

Well, I named off the UFA fwds who make similar money to Penner. You can also add Jokinen, Ruutu, Arnott and Prospal to that list. I just don't see LA moving Penner for two assets who aren't going to add too much to their team, and then going out and spending a 2nd rounder to replace Penner. Maybe they trade Penner for a pick, but I don't think they'd add anything to him for Butler and/or Regin, and I don't think they would trade him unless they had someone coming in to replace him.

OgieO 12-22-2011 09:37 AM

Isn't Penner's value essentially negative at this point? I don't see much of LA so maybe I don't know his story, but he's got a big contract and he doesn't produce. If he doesn't produce offensively he's pretty useless out there.

He might fetch something small at the deadline and then may be a bargain FA signing next year but giving anything of use for him seems ridiculous to me. Am I missing something?

SensHero 12-22-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The OttoMan (Post 41331739)
Well, I named off the UFA fwds who make similar money to Penner. You can also add Jokinen, Ruutu, Arnott and Prospal to that list. I just don't see LA moving Penner for two assets who aren't going to add too much to their team, and then going out and spending a 2nd rounder to replace Penner. Maybe they trade Penner for a pick, but I don't think they'd add anything to him for Butler and/or Regin, and I don't think they would trade him unless they had someone coming in to replace him.

You can add as many UFA's to that list as you like, but why would they trade him for another UFA, it makes zero sense. I'm sure that Butlers 2G and 4A can easily replace Penners 2G and 5A, at a quarter of the salary. Not that I want Penner on the Sens at all, but lets be realistic, there wouldn't be a whole lot to "replace" as you put it, if they trade him. He has been terrible this year.

Lenny the Lynx 12-22-2011 09:41 AM

Wow I can't believe we are talking about Penner again.

Is our entire fan base obsessed with acquiring this guy or is it just a couple people in here that always bring it up?

SensHero 12-22-2011 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OgieO (Post 41331887)
Isn't Penner's value essentially negative at this point? I don't see much of LA so maybe I don't know his story, but he's got a big contract and he doesn't produce. If he doesn't produce offensively he's pretty useless out there.

He might fetch something small at the deadline and then may be a bargain FA signing next year but giving anything of use for him seems ridiculous to me. Am I missing something?

No I think you have it figured out. Unless a team thinks Penner will put them over the top and help them win a cup then there is no reason for a team like the Sens to give up anything for him. They could sign him as a UFA in a few months from now.

wubwubwubwub 12-22-2011 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensHero (Post 41331905)
You can add as many UFA's to that list as you like, but why would they trade him for another UFA, it makes zero sense. I'm sure that Butlers 2G and 4A can easily replace Penners 2G and 5A, at a quarter of the salary. Not that I want Penner on the Sens at all, but lets be realistic, there wouldn't be a whole lot to "replace" as you put it, if they trade him. He has been terrible this year.

5 pts in 7 games since his injury, he'll end up with around 40 pts... or play at a 40 pt pace. He's still their 7th highest scoring fwd despite missing over 10 games. Butler is our 11th highest scoring fwd and will soon likely be 12th. That is much more telling than comparing points. Butler in no way, shape or form replace Penner, and if he did we wouldn't trade him for Penner.
The reason they might trade him for another UFA is because while he clearly hasn't fit into their team, one of the other UFAs might. Also, they will not be sellers. They will be buyers, if anything, and getting rid of Penner for assets that won't help this year doesnt make much sense... unless they totally crash and burn out of the playoff picture. Penner has almost 2x more points than the 8th highest scoring LA fwd, so yes... it actually is something they would need to replace. He might not be what they expected or what they hoped for, but he's still a reasonably important player for them- and as a potential Stanley Cup contender, they would be foolish to trade him merely so they can save 500K and get an okay draft pick.

JonnyMacSen 12-22-2011 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BumperStumper (Post 41332025)
Wow I can't believe we are talking about Penner again.

Is our entire fan base obsessed with acquiring this guy or is it just a couple people in here that always bring it up?

I brought it up cause there's been rumors for years that Murray has had interest, he found/signed the guy in College so there's obviously history there. With his play this year though that may have changed. Not obsessed by any means just trying to think of likely scenario's for the deadline, we shall see.


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