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AG9NK35DT8* 09-28-2004 08:30 PM

HF's top 20 prospects compared to which current NHL players??
 
Here are some comparisons i made not everyone is filled out as i couldnt find people to match, what do u guys think and who would some comparisons go to and why do u compare them to certain prospects?
these are all just early comparisons, this is what these players could be if they live up to all there top potential, this is not who they will definitly be like, but like i said if they reach their ceilings...... dont need any one here getting crazy over a list.

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - ( Mattias Ohlund)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -( maybe like marty turco which i dont think is something to be to excited about )
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Patrick Elias or Radek Dvorak)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - ( John Leclair or Eric Daze , i would say more Daze)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - ( Mika Norronen or Pasi Nurminen )
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - ???????
7. Thomas Pock, D -( Adrian Aucoin , who is an excellent 2 way player and gifted offensively , just dont think he has that bit of nastiness that aucoin doe have )
8. Garth Murray, C - ( Darren MCarty and Tootoo<~ play similar games even though tootoo is still a rookie)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - ??????
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - ( Danny Markov of Philly, or any solid stay at home d-man)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - ( Brian Gionta)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - ??????
13. Petr Prucha, C - ( P. Sykora / P. Elias )
14. Dwight Helminen, C - ( John Madden, that may be to high but than again anything is possible )
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - ?????
16. David Liffiton, D - ( Jassen Cullimore just a bit more offensive )
17. Darin Olver, C - ( Mike York ,????, i guess i dont really know
18. Bruce Graham, C - ( keith Primeau if he can ge t a bit of a physical game going )
19. Jake Taylor, D - ( Mark Tinordi of washington, he is retired for those who dont know)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - ???????

007 09-28-2004 08:39 PM

A lot of people don't like this sort of thing, but I think it can be fun if you don't take it too seriously. Some suggestions:

Tyutin: more physical Numminen
Immonen: Nylander
Marcus Jonasèn: bigger Holmström + leadership

AG9NK35DT8* 09-28-2004 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007
A lot of people don't like this sort of thing, but I think it can be fun if you don't take it too seriously. Some suggestions:

Tyutin: more physical Numminen
Immonen: Nylander
Marcus Jonasèn: bigger Holmström + leadership

if people dont like it to bad for them they shouldnt open or reply to the thread.And for those of GREAT AND "SERIOUS" HF board vets or what ver they think they are,on this internet site :shakehead . learn to relax cause a majority of these guys besides a few are pretty calm and mellow and can have fun..

absolutley , its just for fun obviousley and since there isnt any hockey its something to look at and think about when u come to the NYR board, like is aid in my thread no body get crazy its just a list and comparisons, just conversation thats all.

BDubinskyNYR17* 09-28-2004 08:59 PM

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - ( Mattias Ohlund)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -( Chris Osgood )
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Radek Dvorak)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - ( Todd Bertuzzi or Mark Bell)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - ( Evgeny Nabakov)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - (Miro Satan)
7. Thomas Pock, D -( Bryan Berard but better defensivly)
8. Garth Murray, C - ( Darren MCarty and Scott Thornton)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - (Radek Bonk)
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - ( Danny Markov)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - ( Brian Gionta)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - (Keith Carney or James Patrick)
13. Petr Prucha, C - ( Pavel Datsyuk)
14. Dwight Helminen, C - (Todd Marchant)
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - ( Mike Leclerc)
16. David Liffiton, D - ( Craig Rivet )
17. Darin Olver, C - ( Brendan Morrison)
18. Bruce Graham, C - ( Keith Primeau)
19. Jake Taylor, D - ( Colin White)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - ( Mathias Norstrom)

Fish 09-28-2004 11:09 PM

Here are mine...though several I've only seen limited amounts and some I have not seen at all and am relying on reports from those who have.

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - (Vladimir Malakhov)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G - (Rick DiPietro)
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Pierre Dagenais)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - (Shane Doan perhaps?)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - (Nurminen would be a fair comparison)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - (Niklas Sundstrom)
7. Thomas Pock, D - (Sergei Gonchar)
8. Garth Murray, C - (Turner Stevenson)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - (Mike Sillinger)
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - (Boris Mironov)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - (Stanislav Chistov)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - (Jeff Finley)
13. Petr Prucha, C - (Jan Hlavac)
14. Dwight Helminen, C - (Tim Taylor)
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - (Oleg Kvasha)
16. David Liffiton, D - (Sean Hill)
17. Darin Olver, C - (Marc Savard perhaps?)
18. Bruce Graham, C - (Jeff Toms)
19. Jake Taylor, D - (Eric Cairns)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - (Aaron Miller)

ZombieMatt 09-28-2004 11:29 PM

Just a word from a guy who sees Graham a lot.....I'm sorry Rangers fans, but he is no Keith Primeau. I wish he was, being a bit of a Wildcats fan, but no, he is a very docile 6'6" teenager on the ice.

Firefly 09-28-2004 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOrtmeyer41
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -( Chris Osgood )


Yikes, let's hope not.

Edge 09-28-2004 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt MacInnis
Just a word from a guy who sees Graham a lot.....I'm sorry Rangers fans, but he is no Keith Primeau. I wish he was, being a bit of a Wildcats fan, but no, he is a very docile 6'6" teenager on the ice.

He reminds me a lot more of a Rucchin {from a demeanor standpoint}.

BDubinskyNYR17* 09-28-2004 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt MacInnis
Just a word from a guy who sees Graham a lot.....I'm sorry Rangers fans, but he is no Keith Primeau. I wish he was, being a bit of a Wildcats fan, but no, he is a very docile 6'6" teenager on the ice.


Then what type of NHL player do u think he plays like?

ChrisKreider20 09-29-2004 12:05 AM

Max-Min
Max being if they become amazing min being if they flop.


1. Fedor Tjutin, D - Eric Brewer: Boris Mironov
2. Alvaro Montoya, G - Jose Theodore: J. Pelletier
3. Jozef Balej, RW - Ziggy Palffy: David Vyborny
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - Todd Bertuzzi:Oleg Kvasha
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - Pelle Lindberg: Johan Hedberg
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - Richard Zednik: Europian Extraliga player
7. Thomas Pock, D- Sergei Zubov: Jaroslav Modry
8. Garth Murray, C- John Madden : Gordie Dwyer
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - Really Poor man's Forsberg(minus size, speed): Extraliga player
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - Vladimir Malakhov: Igor Ulanov
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - Theoren Fleury: AHL
12. Bryce Lampman- Philipe Boucher: AHL
13. Petr Prucha, C - Pavol Demitra: Europe
14. Dwight Helminen, C - Stu Barnes: Jamie Lundmark :D
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - Keith Tkachuk: Nik Antropov Europe
16. David Liffiton, D - Brendan Witt: Paul Laus
17. Darin Olver, C - Mike Comrie: Steve Moore
18. Bruce Graham, C - Keith Primeau: Wayne Primeau
19. Jake Taylor, D - Jeff Beukeboom: Wade Belak
20. Ivan Baranka, D - Jaroslav Spacek: Aki Berg jks... Europe

and there you go.

BDubinskyNYR17* 09-29-2004 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=Fish]Here are mine...though several I've only seen limited amounts and some I have not seen at all and am relying on reports from those who have.

New York Rangers – Prospect
13. Petr Prucha, C - (Jan Hlavac)
18. Bruce Graham, C - (Jeff Toms)
19. Jake Taylor, D - (Eric Cairns)
QUOTE]

Wow I hope not.

BDubinskyNYR17* 09-29-2004 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rancid
Max-Min
Max being if they become amazing min being if they flop.


1. Fedor Tjutin, D - Eric Brewer: Boris Mironov
2. Alvaro Montoya, G - Jose Theodore: J. Pelletier
3. Jozef Balej, RW - Ziggy Palffy: David Vyborny
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - Todd Bertuzzi:Oleg Kvasha
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - Pelle Lindberg: Johan Hedberg
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - Richard Zednik: Europian Extraliga player
7. Thomas Pock, D- Sergei Zubov: Jaroslav Modry
8. Garth Murray, C- John Madden : Gordie Dwyer
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - Really Poor man's Forsberg(minus size, speed): Extraliga player
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - Vladimir Malakhov: Igor Ulanov
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - Theoren Fleury: AHL
12. Bryce Lampman- Philipe Boucher: AHL
13. Petr Prucha, C - Pavol Demitra: Europe
14. Dwight Helminen, C - Stu Barnes: Jamie Lundmark :D
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - Keith Tkachuk: Nik Antropov Europe
16. David Liffiton, D - Brendan Witt: Paul Laus
17. Darin Olver, C - Mike Comrie: Steve Moore
18. Bruce Graham, C - Keith Primeau: Wayne Primeau
19. Jake Taylor, D - Jeff Beukeboom: Wade Belak
20. Ivan Baranka, D - Jaroslav Spacek: Aki Berg jks... Europe

and there you go.

Garth Murray is alot more physical than John Madden. Madden is a defensive player that can score. Murray is young but was not a big scorer in juniors. He is like Scott Thornton or Darren McCarty

in the hall 09-29-2004 01:05 AM

# NAME, POS - STYLE, CALIBER
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - Niklas Lidstrom, current no.2 - potential to be a no.1 and already ahead of the curve
2. Alvaro Montoya, G - Marty Turco, potential franchise netminder
3. Jozef Balej, RW - Radek Dvorak, current second line scorer - potential to score at a first liners pace
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - Joe Thornton, boom/bust potential franchise power forward
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - Dan Cloutier, unknown - average to above average caliber goaltender
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - Joe Sakic, potential franchise two way player on the safe side
7. Thomas Pock, D- Dick Tarnstrom, second pair dman - sniper on the point - pp specialist
8. Garth Murray, C- Adam Graves, very effective third liner leader - can contribute with sporadic goal scoring
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - Daniel Alfredson, potential second line playmaker with defensive responsabilities
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - Ossi Vaananen, second pair defensman - brute defensively little offensive production despite ability
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - Jonathan Cheecho, miniature sized second line goal scorer
12. Bryce Lampman- Greg De Vries, reliable third pair defenseman
13. Petr Prucha, C - Pavel Datsyuk, unknown potential second line flashy playmaker
14. Dwight Helminen, C - John Madden, gritty third liner with possible offensive upside
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - Jason Weimer, depth player with remote offensive upside
16. David Liffiton, D - Brendan Witt, at best second pair defenseman more likely a no.5
17. Darin Olver, C - Scott Gomez, soft playmaker second line upside
18. Bruce Graham, C - Radek Bonk, potential second liner with offensive skill - soft for his size
19. Jake Taylor, D - Eric Cairns, third pair defensive defenseman - big and nasty
20. Ivan Baranka, D - Mattias Ohlund, second pair defenseman potential to become a no.2

Leetchie 09-29-2004 01:42 AM

Fedor Tjutin - Bryan McCabe minus the nasty streak
Alvaro Montoya - Roberto Luongo
Jozef Balej - poor man's Milan Hejduk/Patrik Elias
Hugh Jessiman - Glen Murray/Eric Daze
Henrik Lundqvist - J.S. Giguere
Lauri Korpikoski - poor man's Jeremy Roenick
Thomas Pock - Marek Zidlicky
Garth Murray - Mike Ricci/Jordin Tootoo
Jarkko Immonen - Alyn McCauley
Maxim Kondratiev - Teppo Numminen
Nigel Dawes - Steve Sullivan
Petr Prucha - poor man's Pavel Datsyuk
Dwight Helminen - Jed Ortmeyer/John Madden

Now, in no way am I saying they will be as good as the players I compared them to, I just think that's the style they play.

pld459666 09-29-2004 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG9NK35DT8

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - ( Mattias Ohlund)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -( maybe like marty turco which i dont think is something to be to excited about )
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Patrick Elias or Radek Dvorak)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - ( John Leclair or Eric Daze , i would say more Daze)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - ( Mika Norronen or Pasi Nurminen )
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - ???????
7. Thomas Pock, D -( Adrian Aucoin , who is an excellent 2 way player and gifted offensively , just dont think he has that bit of nastiness that aucoin doe have )
8. Garth Murray, C - ( Darren MCarty and Tootoo<~ play similar games even though tootoo is still a rookie)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - ??????
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - ( Danny Markov of Philly, or any solid stay at home d-man)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - ( Brian Gionta)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - ??????
13. Petr Prucha, C - ( P. Sykora / P. Elias )
14. Dwight Helminen, C - ( John Madden, that may be to high but than again anything is possible )
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - ?????
16. David Liffiton, D - ( Jassen Cullimore just a bit more offensive )
17. Darin Olver, C - ( Mike York ,????, i guess i dont really know
18. Bruce Graham, C - ( keith Primeau if he can ge t a bit of a physical game going )
19. Jake Taylor, D - ( Mark Tinordi of washington, he is retired for those who dont know)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - ???????

Why wouldn't you be excited if Montoya turned out to be like Turco? A career 1.98 GAA and a .922 Save Percentage

I'd be ecstatic if that's the goalie that Montoya turned out to be. To add a little perspective, Martin Broduer, in this defensively minded NHL has not had a GAA less than 2.00 since 97-98 and has not had a SVPCT above .917 in the last 5-7 years where as Turco has done that 3 time in his first 4 seasons. Additionally Turco has 10 less wins than Broduer over the last 2 seasons while playing in 20 less games.

Don't know what you have against Turco, but his numbers are very very impressive.

Fish 09-29-2004 08:11 AM

[QUOTE=JOrtmeyer41]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish
Here are mine...though several I've only seen limited amounts and some I have not seen at all and am relying on reports from those who have.

New York Rangers – Prospect
13. Petr Prucha, C - (Jan Hlavac)
18. Bruce Graham, C - (Jeff Toms)
19. Jake Taylor, D - (Eric Cairns)
QUOTE]

Wow I hope not.

The Prucha one was the hardest one for me to come up with...well him and Balej, and Graham...well...I just haven't seen enough of him. As for Taylor, I've seen him play maybe 15-20 times...and I think Cairns is a fair description.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 09-29-2004 10:40 AM

I'll give it a go (for what its worth).

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - (Adrian Aucoin)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -(Jose Theodore)
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Patrick Elias)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - (Bill Guerin or Glen Murray)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - (John Graham)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - (Jere Lehtinen)
7. Thomas Pock, D -(Dick Tarnstrom)
8. Garth Murray, C - (Darren MCarty)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - (Joe Nieuwendyk)
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - (Mike Rathje)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - (Jason Blake)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - (Tommy Abeline)
13. Petr Prucha, C - (Martin Gelinas or Daniel Briere)
14. Dwight Helminen, C - (Brian Skrudland)
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - (Mark Bell)
16. David Liffiton, D - (Sean Hill)
17. Darin Olver, C - (Doug Weight)
18. Bruce Graham, C - (Kent Manderville)
19. Jake Taylor, D - (Willie Mitchell)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - (Jay McKee)[/QUOTE]

Fish 09-29-2004 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
I'll give it a go (for what its worth).

New York Rangers – Prospect
1. Fedor Tjutin, D - (Adrian Aucoin)
2. Alvaro Montoya, G -(Jose Theodore)
3. Jozef Balej, RW - (Patrick Elias)
4. Hugh Jessiman, RW - (Bill Guerin)
5. Henrik Lundqvist, G - (John Graham)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW - (Jere Lehtinen)
7. Thomas Pock, D -(Dick Tarnstrom)
8. Garth Murray, C - (Darren MCarty)
9. Jarkko Immonen, C - (Joe Nieuwendyk)
10. Maxim Kondratiev, D - (Mike Rathje)
11. Nigel Dawes, LW - (Jason Blake)
12. Bryce Lampman, D - (Tommy Abeline)
13. Petr Prucha, C - (Martin Gelinas or Daniel Briere)
14. Dwight Helminen, C - (Todd Marchant)
15. Marcus Jonasen, LW - (Mark Bell)
16. David Liffiton, D - (Sean Hill)
17. Darin Olver, C - (Doug Weight)
18. Bruce Graham, C - (Kent Manderville)
19. Jake Taylor, D - (Willie Mitchell)
20. Ivan Baranka, D - (Jay McKee)

[/QUOTE]

I like the call on Nigel Dawes...I was trying to think who best fits him, and I think you've gotten pretty close...also like the Rathje suggestion for Kondratiev. I don't like the Theodore comparison for Montoya though...he's much more of a wanderer and likes to play the puck which is why I chose DiPietro...Lundqvist tends to go down early too, perhaps as much a result of inexperience as anything, but it did remind me of Nurminen.

I even don't mind the Bill Guerin suggestion for Jessiman...

SingnBluesOnBroadway 09-29-2004 10:54 AM

I like the call on Nigel Dawes...I was trying to think who best fits him, and I think you've gotten pretty close...also like the Rathje suggestion for Kondratiev. I don't like the Theodore comparison for Montoya though...he's much more of a wanderer and likes to play the puck which is why I chose DiPietro...Lundqvist tends to go down early too, perhaps as much a result of inexperience as anything, but it did remind me of Nurminen.

I even don't mind the Bill Guerin suggestion for Jessiman...[/QUOTE]

Thanks Fish.

I'm flying blind on a lot of these. Going, by and large on reports my own gut feelings.

I matched Montoya with Theodore because they both strike me as charasmatic guys (both with great hair). They both seem to play better in big games and relish the pressure.

Lundqvist I struggled with as I have a lot of doubts about his game translating to the NA game. Can he handle the traffic and guys crashing the net on a smaller ice surface?

Lampman I just don't see much in. He strikes as a 5 or 6 guy who is will not be spectacular and not horrible (basically a guy you well never hear about). Finely and Abeline are good names IMO.

True Blue 09-29-2004 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
Lampman I just don't see much in. He strikes as a 5 or 6 guy who is will not be spectacular and not horrible (basically a guy you well never hear about). Finely and Abeline are good names IMO.

I think of Lefebfvre, circa Colarado days.

Bacchus 09-29-2004 01:36 PM

I'm not good in comparing, so I'll just comment on one or two.

1st, I don't think Balej comes close to guys like Elias or Dvorak, even in style of play. They are much better in their own end. I'd compare him to a mixture of the two Bure's - not as good as Pavel but a bit flashier than Valeri.

I like the Tyutin - Malakhov one. Without the laziness, let's hope!
Dawes - Blake and Lampman - Levebvre are also good ones IMO.

I'm surprised nobody came up with Montoya - Richter though. Maybe not their style, but their work ethic and love for the Rangers seem somewhat similar (again, let's hope!). :)

Fletch 09-29-2004 02:21 PM

Tb..
 
on Lampman, I think of Lefebvre too, although circa the Rangers days (when he was used properly and more sparingly (third pair)). That's not an insult to Lampman, by the way.

On the rest..unfortunately I've picked a little at many and seem to side with SBOB on many of the players I've already seen [althogh Dvorak comes to mind when thinking of Balej (Elias is a bit tougher)].

And on Fedor, I'm thinking someone other than Aucoin...and I've seen someone post Ohlund and am thinking more Ohlund (maybe it's the lefty vs. righty thingy).

SingnBluesOnBroadway 09-29-2004 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch
on Lampman, I think of Lefebvre too, although circa the Rangers days (when he was used properly and more sparingly (third pair)). That's not an insult to Lampman, by the way.

On the rest..unfortunately I've picked a little at many and seem to side with SBOB on many of the players I've already seen [althogh Dvorak comes to mind when thinking of Balej (Elias is a bit tougher)].

And on Fedor, I'm thinking someone other than Aucoin...and I've seen someone post Ohlund and am thinking more Ohlund (maybe it's the lefty vs. righty thingy).

Maybe it's my distaste for Dvorak but it seems to me that Balej has a better nose for the net that Dvorak ever did. If people (fans, writers, scouts, etc.) are talking about Balej being a sniper, that just does not compare to Dvorak who has never been confused with a sniper.

True Blue 09-29-2004 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
that just does not compare to Dvorak who has never been confused with a sniper.

Just confused

Fletch 09-29-2004 02:54 PM

How 'bout...
 
Dvorak circa 2000-2001? I haven't seen sniper in Balej, maybe that's my problem. I also haven't seen 'hard-nosed' play or a lot of grittiness (as you see in Elias). I see a guy who uses his skill and speed to get advantage. Perhaps I didn't see him shoot enough (only 29 shots in 17 games), or don't think he does shoot enough to be a sniper. He still is young, and has progressed quite nicely.


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