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2 12 oz Drinks 01-04-2012 05:09 PM

Brayden Schenn (Carolina)
 
Hi Flyer fans! Hope you are doing well! Just wondering what you guys think Schenn's value is right now. There's a lot of ideas being thrown around on the canes board about wanting to put together some kind of package to get him. What exactly do you think he is worth and are you willing to trade him? People are throwing Gleason's name around a lot, which would help you out on D in Pronger's absence, so that might be a starting place.

MiamiScreamingEagles 01-04-2012 05:12 PM

There are some recent comments in this thread, too:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=1069851

2 12 oz Drinks 01-04-2012 05:15 PM

Wow I guess I missed that thread even though it was just a few down. Haha oh well thanks

TheTaekster 01-04-2012 05:16 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing us make a run at Gleason, but I highly doubt Schenn would be a part of that deal. No reason to trade him when we're just now beginning to see flashes of what he can do. His value is probably at an all time low, so trading him now makes little sense.

MiamiScreamingEagles 01-04-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by canesfan793 (Post 41909989)
Wow I guess I missed that thread even though it was just a few down. Haha oh well thanks

No big deal. If anyone wants to speculate and discuss a trade with Carolina, that is a separate issue and can be done here.

Viller 01-04-2012 05:19 PM

I like Gleason but for Schenn? Common now. We gave Mike Richards for him...

Schenn could fetch a more complete D than Gleason.

edit: What I meant to say is, even in a package, I highly doubt theyd work a trade with those 2 as center pieces.

2 12 oz Drinks 01-04-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Viller (Post 41910165)
I like Gleason but for Schenn? Common now. We gave Mike Richards for him...

Schenn could fetch a more complete D than Gleason.

I didn't say straight up, I mean as part of a package. Gleason straight up for Schenn makes no sense, but it could in package

2 12 oz Drinks 01-04-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Viller (Post 41910165)
I like Gleason but for Schenn? Common now. We gave Mike Richards for him...

Schenn could fetch a more complete D than Gleason.

edit: What I meant to say is, even in a package, I highly doubt theyd work a trade with those 2 as center pieces.

Just saw your edit. He doesn't have to be a center piece, I'm just saying that there has been a lot of talk about Gleason going to Philly in some kind of trade. For what it's worth I think that it would probably take Ruutu and some kind of addition to get him

JojoTheWhale 01-04-2012 05:26 PM

He hasn't had a great start to the year, between injuries and a lack of scoring. Obviously he's young and it isn't a sky is falling type of situation.

With all of that being said, the organization is counting on him being a top line center. Unless someone gives value commensurate with a legit top center prospect in trade, there's zero chance he gets moved.

Obviously you weren't trying to say Gleason straight up, but using him as the basis of a deal isn't the type of deal the Flyers would be looking to make. I'm actually a huge Gleason fan and would absolutely love him on the Flyers, but the truth is that it's probably 98% likely that Schenn stays a Flyer. The other 2% would be a deal for a legit #1 defenseman that circumstances demand must be moved. Otherwise, they have no motivation to move him.

There isn't really a match on the Canes that I can see. Please note that this doesn't mean that there are no Canes that would be tremendous upgrades on the Flyers, just that there isn't an evenly-valued match of supply and demand between the two teams if Schenn is the starting point.

TLDR: Schenn as part of a deal for Suter/Weber if either/or won't resign, or for an OEL-level defensive prospect. That's the realm of player that would need to be acquired to make it make sense.

Left Circle OneTimer 01-04-2012 05:27 PM

A first rounder would have to come our way me thinks and another piece but Canes shouldn't want to do that with it being a possible lottery pick. I would love to get Grigorenko tho so :D

2 12 oz Drinks 01-04-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JojoTheWhale (Post 41910419)
He hasn't had a great start to the year, between injuries and a lack of scoring. Obviously he's young and it isn't a sky is falling type of situation.

With all of that being said, the organization is counting on him being a top line center. Unless someone gives value commensurate with a legit top center prospect in trade, there's zero chance he gets moved.

Obviously you weren't trying to say Gleason straight up, but using him as the basis of a deal isn't the type of deal the Flyers would be looking to make. I'm actually a huge Gleason fan and would absolutely love him on the Flyers, but the truth is that it's probably 98% likely that Schenn stays a Flyer. The other 2% would be a deal for a legit #1 defenseman that circumstances demand must be moved. Otherwise, they have no motivation to move him.

There isn't really a match on the Canes that I can see. Please note that this doesn't mean that there are no Canes that would be tremendous upgrades on the Flyers, just that there isn't an evenly-valued match of supply and demand between the two teams if Schenn is the starting point.

TLDR: Schenn as part of a deal for Suter/Weber if either/or won't resign, or for an OEL-level defensive prospect. That's the realm of player that would need to be acquired to make it make sense.

Oh I understand. Honestly it's just that the canes need offense in a very bad way. A lot of people back of the canes board were wanting to have him and I'm mainly just trying to see his value because outside of the games we've played against you, and the classic I've never seen him play

JoeFlyer 01-04-2012 05:34 PM

Yeah I can't really see a deal with Carolina for Schenn really working. Anything we might like the look of would add too much cap to us and I'd say he's probably worth more than a 1st round pick as we don't really need a pick (though I guess that's debatable - i.e. what the pick would become and what the potential of each player is). We only really need a legit top, top Dman I think and the Canes don't have one to offer. (Sorry ;) )

Beef Invictus 01-04-2012 05:40 PM

I'd rather use Schenn to go after Weber or Suter, if that's possible.

duffy9748 01-04-2012 06:00 PM

Yeah no offense but were just not good partners in a deal around Schenn. The only players I would trade him for would be Staal/Skinner/Ward and that wouldn't work for obvious reasons. I'd consider something with Ryan Murphy involved but don't know enough about him to propose something.

We traded our franchise player/fan favorite/captain and Schenn was the center piece. Anything less than a player of Mike Richards caliber coming back won't get it done.

orange is better 01-04-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41910887)
I'd rather use Schenn to go after Weber or Suter, if that's possible.

This.

I think, essentially the only way schenn is traded is if we are getting either Ryan suter or Shea weber in return.

OriginJM 01-04-2012 06:44 PM

Schenn, Bryz, Carle, a 1st and a 3rd for Skinner and Ward.

I'm so bad at these.

Bort Sampson 01-04-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by canesfan793 (Post 41910327)
Just saw your edit. He doesn't have to be a center piece, I'm just saying that there has been a lot of talk about Gleason going to Philly in some kind of trade. For what it's worth I think that it would probably take Ruutu and some kind of addition to get him

So Schenn for two UFAs?

Pass. The Flyers should just hold onto their players and try to add Gleason with an offer, not a trade.

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Originally Posted by canesfan793 (Post 41910625)
Oh I understand. Honestly it's just that the canes need offense in a very bad way. A lot of people back of the canes board were wanting to have him and I'm mainly just trying to see his value because outside of the games we've played against you, and the classic I've never seen him play

I don't think Schenn is the player you should be going after. From what I've seen, the Canes need an offensive presence every night. Schenn isn't that type of player yet. That's why the trade value is probably off somewhat.

Hockeypete49 01-04-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by canesfan793 (Post 41910211)
I didn't say straight up, I mean as part of a package. Gleason straight up for Schenn makes no sense, but it could in package

Big fan of Tim's here. How about a 2nd round pick and one of our young defenders of your choice,either Gustafsson or Bourdon?

Hockeypete49 01-04-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41910887)
I'd rather use Schenn to go after Weber or Suter, if that's possible.

I love both Weber and Suter. The problem I have with that though is we would have to gut our team to land either one one them. Nashville is going to want a kings ransom for either one of them. Plus Nashville is going to wait for the trade deadline to run up the price in a bidding war if they do plan on not signing them both.

WeekendAtBernies 01-04-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginJM (Post 41913197)
Schenn, Bryz, Carle, a 1st and a 3rd for Skinner and Ward.

I'm so bad at these.

I'd say yes to this... not so sure that Carolina would, as they pretty much love Skinner (and with good reason), but I don't really think the value is too bad.

Maybe include Simmonds instead of Carle? Gives the Hurricanes a little more value since Carle is a UFA and Carolina isn't a playoff contender and therefore they have no use for him.

WeekendAtBernies 01-04-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by canesfan793 (Post 41909759)
Hi Flyer fans! Hope you are doing well! Just wondering what you guys think Schenn's value is right now. There's a lot of ideas being thrown around on the canes board about wanting to put together some kind of package to get him. What exactly do you think he is worth and are you willing to trade him? People are throwing Gleason's name around a lot, which would help you out on D in Pronger's absence, so that might be a starting place.

If you wanted Schenn from us for Gleason, it would need to be something like your 2012 1st + Gleason for Schenn + 2nd.

I'd consider something like that given the top end talent in the draft, but other than that, Schenn isn't moving for Gleason.

I would definitely be open to Schenn++ for Skinner though...

Mkoll 01-04-2012 08:14 PM

If the canes are trying to improve their offense then trading skinner would be the opposite of that goal.

Rekker 01-04-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41910887)
I'd rather use Schenn to go after Weber or Suter, if that's possible.

Weber? Come on now..

WeekendAtBernies 01-04-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkoll (Post 41918801)
If the canes are trying to improve their offense then trading skinner would be the opposite of that goal.

True, but they would get a prospect the caliber of Jeff Skinner (Schenn) + a top 6 winger in Simmonds + a 1st + more.

Would that be enough to pry away Skinner? IDK. But it would be a good start for a team that is in need of a lot more help to become a playoff contender... especially considering that Ruutu will likely be leaving as a UFA.

NewYorkFlyerFan 01-04-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sandlansd (Post 41919159)
True, but they would get a prospect the caliber of Jeff Skinner (Schenn) + a top 6 winger in Simmonds + a 1st + more.

Would that be enough to pry away Skinner? IDK. But it would be a good start for a team that is in need of a lot more help to become a playoff contender... especially considering that Ruutu will likely be leaving as a UFA.

Rather have Schenn then Skinner. So I personally wouldn't do that


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