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MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 09:16 AM

Winter Classic altercation (December 2012: fan sentenced to house arrest)
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...c_beating.html


Does anyone have any information on this incident? Pretty bad one if you ask me.

That being said, cue the national media to brand Philly as garbage because this is the only place on earth that this sort of thing happens...:shakehead

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December 2012:

http://si.printthis.clickability.com...me-fight.ap%2F

Quote:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A man accused of beating two New York Rangers fans in a brawl after the NHL Winter Classic in Philadelphia has been sentenced to house arrest.

A Philadelphia judge on Friday sentenced 33-year-old Dennis Veteri of Glassboro, N.J., to a range of slightly under one year to nearly two years of house arrest followed by five years' probation. He pleaded guilty earlier this year to aggravated and simple assault and conspiracy.

The Philadelphia Daily News reports that prosecutors asked for prison time, but Veteri's lawyer said his client is "a good man who had a bad day."

Subject Orange 01-05-2012 09:22 AM

Well the fans who did it are complete *******s.

And it will be made bigger because they had to mention that one of the victims was an off duty police officer. Should it really matter that the victim is a cop? It's sad no matter what the victim's profession.

But yes. this only happens in philadelphia....:shakehead

Suspended4Life 01-05-2012 09:28 AM

Yeah they haven't found any of the d-bags but apparently police are questioning one guy that posted on Broad Street Hockey that he was one of the three guys who beat up the Ranger fans...but then started back-tracking when he realized there was video evidence. Not sure what the questioning has uncovered.

Such a terrible incident and seems to be happening everywhere, not just in Philly, but yes of course, Philly will take the harshest criticism out of all the other incidents like this.

The question is, does the NHL do anything to stop this from happening and/or can they do anything to in some way punish these acts? It didn't happen on the actual property of the WFC or CBP, but I have a friend who is vehemently insisting the NHL bans the three guys from going to hockey games for life. If this would have happened at the WFC or CBP, maybe I can see the Flyers organization taking a pro-active approach somewhat like that but I also would think it'd be a logistical nightmare.

But it would set an example for the rest of the hockey community. I think about the most they could do is post these guys' faces all over their website and announce they are banned from entering a hockey game again. If they're caught there, they will be escorted out with no refund. Would there be some kind of legal issue that would prevent the NHL from doing this?

Sorry to get off topic...I was completely thinking my buddy was out of his mind when he proposed this but maybe he's not too far off???

MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Suspended4Life (Post 41940057)
Yeah they haven't found any of the d-bags but apparently police are questioning one guy that posted on Broad Street Hockey that he was one of the three guys who beat up the Ranger fans...but then started back-tracking when he realized there was video evidence. Not sure what the questioning has uncovered.

Such a terrible incident and seems to be happening everywhere, not just in Philly, but yes of course, Philly will take the harshest criticism out of all the other incidents like this.

The question is, does the NHL do anything to stop this from happening and/or can they do anything to in some way punish these acts? It didn't happen on the actual property of the WFC or CBP, but I have a friend who is vehemently insisting the NHL bans the three guys from going to hockey games for life. If this would have happened at the WFC or CBP, maybe I can see the Flyers organization taking a pro-active approach somewhat like that but I also would think it'd be a logistical nightmare.

But it would set an example for the rest of the hockey community. I think about the most they could do is post these guys' faces all over their website and announce they are banned from entering a hockey game again. If they're caught there, they will be escorted out with no refund. Would there be some kind of legal issue that would prevent the NHL from doing this?

Sorry to get off topic...I was completely thinking my buddy was out of his mind when he proposed this but maybe he's not too far off???


The reason that you can't do this is because if they weren't wearing Flyers jerseys or anything that has to do with the Flyers, how could you prove that they were even fans? You can't ban someone for something they did outside of a stadium for wearing something. What if they were Rangers fans (unlikely) posing as Flyers fans and just wanted to beat someone up? Maybe after they are convicted they will be banned from the stadium but until then you cannot do anything.

I'm glad the victims are ok and I hope that the attackers are caught. I wonder if the Rangers fans were doing anything to provoke them?

Suspended4Life 01-05-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrHockey1982 (Post 41940289)
The reason that you can't do this is because if they weren't wearing Flyers jerseys or anything that has to do with the Flyers, how could you prove that they were even fans? You can't ban someone for something they did outside of a stadium for wearing something. What if they were Rangers fans (unlikely) posing as Flyers fans and just wanted to beat someone up? Maybe after they are convicted they will be banned from the stadium but until then you cannot do anything.

I'm glad the victims are ok and I hope that the attackers are caught. I wonder if the Rangers fans were doing anything to provoke them?

Yeah that was also one of the points I was trying to make to my friend when I was telling him it wouldn't work.

Oh well, I really hope they find these guys.

JLHockeyKnight 01-05-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrHockey1982 (Post 41940289)
The reason that you can't do this is because if they weren't wearing Flyers jerseys or anything that has to do with the Flyers, how could you prove that they were even fans? You can't ban someone for something they did outside of a stadium for wearing something. What if they were Rangers fans (unlikely) posing as Flyers fans and just wanted to beat someone up? Maybe after they are convicted they will be banned from the stadium but until then you cannot do anything.

I'm glad the victims are ok and I hope that the attackers are caught. I wonder if the Rangers fans were doing anything to provoke them?

From what I read somewhere the Flyers fan paid a homeless guy to spray stuff on Rangers fans that came by and one must have taken exception.

MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JLHockeyKnight (Post 41940621)
From what I read somewhere the Flyers fan paid a homeless guy to spray stuff on Rangers fans that came by and one must have taken exception.


Really?? Where did you read this?

JLHockeyKnight 01-05-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MrHockey1982 (Post 41941243)
Really?? Where did you read this?

I either read it somewhere or heard it on the news this morning. I get NBC4 since I live in North Jersey and heard the "exclusive report" that broke this morning.

Edit: Found it:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...136706328.html

Quote:

Police in Philadelphia said the brawl started when the Flyers fans in the orange jerseys paid a man who was cleaning car windows to spray a Ranger fan with some sort of liquid.


MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JLHockeyKnight (Post 41941703)
I either read it somewhere or heard it on the news this morning. I get NBC4 since I live in North Jersey and heard the "exclusive report" that broke this morning.

Edit: Found it:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...136706328.html


Wow! I can't help but laugh that they paid a homeless guy to do that! BUT, they did it to start a fight which isn't funny at all. Hope these guys get thrown in jail.

pelts35.com 01-05-2012 10:27 AM

And the fact that it was an off-duty cop/war vet makes it even worse. Thanks to these d-bags who continue to make Philly fans look like thugs. :shakehead

Subject Orange 01-05-2012 10:34 AM

again I say, the fact that he was an off duty cop former marine should have nothing to do with the story. It would be just as terrible if it were just some rangers fan who came down to see the game..

My question is, what happened after the homeless guy sprayed him? Did the guys in the flyers jerseys then just decide to beat him because he got sprayed ?

MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pelts35.com (Post 41942265)
And the fact that it was an off-duty cop/war vet makes it even worse. Thanks to these d-bags who continue to make Philly fans look like thugs. :shakehead


It does suck. But it happens everywhere. Not condoning the actions of the attackers but it wasn't smart to show up downtown in a Rangers jersey and get into it with thugs that are looking to fight anybody. I wouldn't do that in NY unless I was sure I was in a safe place and I basically live in NY.

GKJ 01-05-2012 10:47 AM

Rangers fans have the right to show up at Geno's. They shouldn't not go because they're wearing Rangers jerseys.

Larry44 01-05-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Subject Orange (Post 41942577)
again I say, the fact that he was an off duty cop former marine should have nothing to do with the story. It would be just as terrible if it were just some rangers fan who came down to see the game..

My question is, what happened after the homeless guy sprayed him? Did the guys in the flyers jerseys then just decide to beat him because he got sprayed ?

There is good video here:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...upporters?bn=1

It doesn't matter that it was a cop, but it will certainly reinforce their resolve to get them. Expect arrests shortly.

There is no excuse for this.

MrHockey1982 01-05-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 41943133)
Rangers fans have the right to show up at Geno's. They shouldn't not go because they're wearing Rangers jerseys.


Agreed but that doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do. I wouldn't put myself into that situation. Especially after beating us in the Winter Classic.

Hollywood Couturier 01-05-2012 11:23 AM

And it's made it's way to ESPN...

Good thing that girl in San Jose getting beaten got tons of coverage on there. Oh wait, no it didn't. These things only happen in Philly according to them.

Beef Invictus 01-05-2012 11:35 AM

ESPN is a garbage network anyways.

Hollywood Couturier 01-05-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41945203)
ESPN is a garbage network anyways.

Yes it is. But Americans, for the most part, love to watch garbage television.

DrinkFightFlyers 01-05-2012 11:37 AM

What a bummer.

Beef Invictus 01-05-2012 11:42 AM

Well played.

clmetsfan 01-05-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHockey1982 (Post 41943955)
Agreed but that doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do. I wouldn't put myself into that situation. Especially after beating us in the Winter Classic.

No offense, but you can't lament about Philly being unfairly stereotyped by incidents like this, and then say that an out-of-town fan made an error in judgment by going to a restaurant in Rangers gear. If that's true, then it means that Philly deserves that stereotype.

Either way, let's all hope that these dirtbags are caught soon. A man and his kid? Despicable.

Beef Invictus 01-05-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by clmetsfan (Post 41947791)
No offense, but you can't lament about Philly being unfairly stereotyped by incidents like this, and then say that an out-of-town fan made an error in judgment by going to a restaurant in Rangers gear. If that's true, then it means that Philly deserves that stereotype.

Either way, let's all hope that these dirtbags are caught soon. A man and his kid? Despicable.

It doesn't matter WHAT city it is. I'd personally avoid wearing the opposition's gear in any hometown hangout after my team had handed them a high-profile, frustrating loss. It's a risk, because every fanbase has idiots. You never know if one of those idiots is standing behind you totally hammered, slowly deciding to blame you for the way things went.

CS 01-05-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41945203)
ESPN is a garbage network anyways.

Two things are necessary for this world to be a better place:

1) These ******** are caught.
2) ESPN is completely wiped off the face of the earth.

clmetsfan 01-05-2012 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 41948799)
It doesn't matter WHAT city it is. I'd personally avoid wearing the opposition's gear in any hometown hangout after my team had handed them a high-profile, frustrating loss. It's a risk, because every fanbase has idiots. You never know if one of those idiots is standing behind you totally hammered, slowly deciding to blame you for the way things went.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. It absolutely does matter, because cities have their reputations for a reason (for the record, I don't think NY fans are much better than Philly fans in this regard). While every fan base has its idiots, certain ones have a much higher percentage of idiots.

Someone in our thread about this incident on the Rangers board brought up a very good point, that being that most Southern cities (and Midwestern cities too, for that matter) are far more accommodating to out-of-towners than those of us in the Northeast (specifically NY, Philly, and Boston). Kind of sad when you think about it.

Beef Invictus 01-05-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by clmetsfan (Post 41949859)
Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. It absolutely does matter, because cities have their reputations for a reason (for the record, I don't think NY fans are much better than Philly fans in this regard). While every fan base has its idiots, certain ones have a much higher percentage of idiots.

Someone in our thread about this incident on the Rangers board brought up a very good point, that being that most Southern cities (and Midwestern cities too, for that matter) are far more accommodating to out-of-towners than those of us in the Northeast (specifically NY, Philly, and Boston). Kind of sad when you think about it.

The cities down south are generally much smaller. The bigger the city, the more the idiots. Southern culture seems generally more laid back as well, compared to the more in-your-face style of many northern cities. I imagine that's also a factor.


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