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Sydor25 01-08-2012 02:16 PM

Kings shot charts from the last 23 or so games
 
The last 10 Kings games:

Kings versus Columbus. Zero goals, 31 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Jackets.jpg


Kings versus Coyotes. 1 goal, 28 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Coyotes.jpg


Kings versus Colorado, 1 goal, 32 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Colorado.jpg


Kings versus Canucks, 4 goals, 33 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Canucks.jpg


Kings versus Jets, 0 goals, 31 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Jets.jpg


Kings versus Hawks, 2 goals, 38 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Hawks.jpg


Kings versus Phoenix, 4 goals, 35 shots (shows how bad Labs was):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Coyotes-2.jpg


Kings versus Sharks, 1 goal, 29 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Sharks.jpg


Kings versus Ducks, 2 goals, 34 shots (First Sutter game):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Ducks.jpg


Kings versus Toronto, 2 goals, 42 shots (Steven coached game):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Toronto.jpg


Each "flag" is a shot by the Kings during the game. Each side reps which goal they were shooting at, 1st and 3rd on one side, the 2nd period on the other.

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:23 PM

If you look at the Canucks chart...and where the MAJORITY of shots came from. It's no surprise that we had 4 goals.


If you look at the Jets game. Almost no shots came from the slot or between the circles. Same with the Ducks. Same with Phoenix (seriously does show how bad Labs is.) The 2nd Phoenix game.


It would seriously do the Kings some good and look at this shot chart. So many shots from HORRIBLE scoring areas. Way up high in the corners by the blue line. Outside the dots below the hash marks. Halfwall...

this team is just ****ing stupid I guess if they know they shoot from these places and don't score...and then the one game they seem to press in ad shoot from high scoring areas they win 4-1.


The difference in the Vancouver chart from all the others (save Colorado...Varlamov did have an amazing game that night) is unreal.

sjmay* 01-08-2012 02:25 PM

Sydor,

Appreciate the work, Would love to see the last 10 games under Murray....

Looking above, it looks like, on some games, goalie stood on his head, on the others, we had our head up our ass

First two games, Toronto vs Ducks, vs Toronto we had plenty of down low shots, but vs Anaheim, we didn't.

Some of that can be contributed to good defense, some to ****** offense.

Sydor25 01-08-2012 02:27 PM

Here are the 4 Steven's coached games:

Kings versus Toronto, 2 goals, 42 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Toronto.jpg

Kings versus Detroit, 2 goals, 29 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/KIngs_vs_Wings.jpg


Kings versus Jackets, 2 goals, 41 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Jackets-2.jpg


Kings versus Bruins, 0 goals, 41 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Bruins.jpg


41 shots and almost none from below the circles and between the dots. It's like the Kings Kryptonite .

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42136533)
Sydor,

Appreciate the work, Would love to see the last 10 games under Murray....

Looking above, it looks like, on some games, goalie stood on his head, on the others, we had our head up our ass

First two games, Toronto vs Ducks, vs Toronto we had plenty of down low shots, but vs Anaheim, we didn't.

Some of that can be contributed to good defense, some to ****** offense.

Down low shots are not particularly good ones. Specifically ones that come from below and outside the dot. At that angle goalies should eat those up all day everyday. Unless you rname is Labarbara.

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:32 PM

My god it is so frustrating. I just keep looking at games where we have like 40 or 30+ shots..and MAYBE 5 of those comes from what you would call "high scoring areas" aka between the circles and around the hash marks.

sjmay* 01-08-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaygokings (Post 42136835)
Down low shots are not particularly good ones. Specifically ones that come from below and outside the dot. At that angle goalies should eat those up all day everyday. Unless you rname is Labarbara.

LOL obviously,

I meant down low in the house area...

Sydor25 01-08-2012 02:37 PM

Murray's last 5 games:

Kings versus Dallas, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Stars.jpg


Kings versus Wild, 2 goals, 44 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Wild.jpg


Kings versus Duckls, 2 goals, 39 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Ducks-2.jpg


Kings versus Montreal, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Canadiens.jpg


Kings versus Panthers, 2 goals, 26 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Panthers.jpg


I'll post the previous 5 Murray games in the next post.

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42136961)
LOL obviously,

I meant down low in the house area...

Yea certainly.


THis team is just stupid honestly. Hardworkers. But stupid.

sjmay* 01-08-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42137217)
Murray's last 5 games:

Kings versus Dallas, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Stars.jpg


Kings versus Wild, 2 goals, 44 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Wild.jpg


Kings versus Duckls, 2 goals, 39 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Ducks-2.jpg


Kings versus Montreal, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Canadiens.jpg


Kings versus Panthers, 2 goals, 26 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Panthers.jpg


I'll post the previous 5 Murray games in the next post.

Ok,

Right away you can see the difference, and it's not good.

The first three games posted, the Kings had more shots from scoring areas, than they did in any of the 10 games with Sutter, with the exception of the Vancouver game....

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:42 PM

I mean the differences between..these...


Versus Boston

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Bruins.jpg


Versus San Jose

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Sharks.jpg

Versus Winnipeg

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Jets.jpg


AND THIS.

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Canucks.jpg



It's just fascinating. I mean we took less point shots. Pressed in on defenders rather then moving around the perimeter. And could count on one hand the amount of chances we had down the center lane on the previous 3 games...and I have to take my socks off to count how many center lane chances there were against Vancouver....


It's just....

I don't understand how this team continues to do the same stupid ******** all the time..when a simple shot chart like this shows how counter productive it is to do what they do 8 out of 10 games.

Sydor25 01-08-2012 02:44 PM

Murray's next 5 games:

Kings versus Sharks, 2 goals, 33 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Sharks-2.jpg


Kings versus Hawks, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_hawks-2.jpg


Kings verus Stars, 2 goals, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Stars-2.jpg


Kings versus Blues, 3 goals, 28 shots (Blues goalie was bad):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Blues.jpg


Kings verus Wings, 1 goal, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings _vs_Wings.jpg



I don't know how anyone can look at these shots charts and wonder why the Kings have the lowest shooting percentage in the NHL. They are scared to enter the scoring zone. :cry: Very few games with clusters of high percentage shots.

sjmay* 01-08-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42137573)
Murray's next 5 games:

Kings versus Sharks, 2 goals, 33 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Sharks-2.jpg


Kings versus Hawks, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_hawks-2.jpg


Kings verus Stars, 2 goals, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Stars-2.jpg


Kings versus Blues, 3 goals, 28 shots (Blues goalie was bad):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Blues.jpg


Kings verus Wings, 1 goal, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings _vs_Wings.jpg



I don't know how anyone can look at these shots charts and wonder why the Kings have the lowest shooting percentage in the NHL. They are scared to enter the scoring zone. :cry: Very few games with clusters of high percentage shots.

That is what I was expecting with your first 5 Murray games....

My problem is this,

How do you explain the first 5 Murray games you posted, and the last 5 Murray games you posted,

They are....almost polar opposites in where the shots came from...

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42137573)
Murray's next 5 games:

Kings versus Sharks, 2 goals, 33 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Sharks-2.jpg


Kings versus Hawks, 1 goal, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_hawks-2.jpg


Kings verus Stars, 2 goals, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Stars-2.jpg


Kings versus Blues, 3 goals, 28 shots (Blues goalie was bad):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings_vs_Blues.jpg


Kings verus Wings, 1 goal, 24 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Kings _vs_Wings.jpg



I don't know how anyone can look at these shots charts and wonder why the Kings have the lowest shooting percentage in the NHL. They are scared to enter the scoring zone. :cry: Very few games with clusters of high percentage shots.



Seriously. You could plant land mines in between the dots and I don't think anyone on the Kings would detonate any for the entire game.

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42137633)
That is what I was expecting with your first 5 Murray games....

My problem is this,

How do you explain the first 5 Murray games you posted, and the last 5 Murray games you posted,

They are....almost polar opposites in where the shots came from...

I mean obviously, sometimes you have to credit that to defense. odd man rushes. powerplays and what not. And even broken clock is right twice a day ya know? They'll have an aggressive game now and then. But for the most part...this team doesn't drive the center AT ALL. I dunno if they are scared or what...but seriously...****ing stupid.

Sydor25 01-08-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42137633)
That is what I was expecting with your first 5 Murray games....

My problem is this,

How do you explain the first 5 Murray games you posted, and the last 5 Murray games you posted,

They are....almost polar opposites in where the shots came from...

Well, there are going to be some games where the other team does give up more of the middle. The Kings definitely seem to take what the opponent give them, they don't press the play. They react to the opposition, they didn't "take it" to the opponent under Murray.

Overall, you shouldn't be surprised that the Kings have a terrible shooting percentage. With Murray, Stevens or Sutter.

The Kings are playing the same system with Sutter, just more possession time. This is why the Kings goals against are also down.

sjmay* 01-08-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42137873)
Well, there are going to be some games where the other team does give up more of the middle. The Kings definitely seem to take what the opponent give them, they don't press the play. They react to the opposition, they didn't "take it" to the opponent under Murray.

Overall, you shouldn't be surprised that the Kings have a terrible shooting percentage. With Murray, Stevens or Sutter.

The Kings are playing the same system with Sutter, just more possession time. This is why the Kings goals against are also down.

Agreed, they react to the opposition, and takes what they give him,

Curious if you want to do this,

I would love to see Boston's last 10 games shot charts, and see if it's fluctuating as well,

If not, no matter, but I think there are a few teams, that take it to the opponent, and drive drive drive, there are a TON of teams that take what the opponents give, but can't do much more, and there are a few teams that can't even take what the opponent's give.

I think the Kings are with a TON of teams in that they take what the opponent gives each night, but for some reason, aren't reaching that upper level ie, vs VAncouver like they should be/can be.

Sydor25 01-08-2012 03:01 PM

Flyers last 5 games
 
Here are the Flyers last 5 games:

Flyers versus Senators, 3 goals, 39 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Ottawa.jpg


Flyers versus Hawks, 5 goals, 46 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Hawks.jpg


Flyers versus Rangers, 2 goals, 36 shots (Winter Classic):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_NYR.jpg


Flyers versus Penguins, 4 goals, 23 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Penguins.jpg


Flyers versus Lightning, 1 goal, 32 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Lightning.jpg


I'm done for now. :) It's too depressing. :cry:

Other than the outdoor game (still more than the Kings do), the Flyers take it to the middle and get clusters of high scoring chances. Tampa's goalie must have stood on his head to only give up 1 goal against, or it could have been too little too late in that game. :amazed: Not many shots in the second period.

Jason Lewis 01-08-2012 03:05 PM

And the Rangers are a very good defensive team

sjmay* 01-08-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42138447)
Here are the Flyers last 5 games:

Flyers versus Senators, 3 goals, 39 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Ottawa.jpg


Flyers versus Hawks, 5 goals, 46 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Hawks.jpg


Flyers versus Rangers, 2 goals, 36 shots (Winter Classic):

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_NYR.jpg


Flyers versus Penguins, 4 goals, 23 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Penguins.jpg


Flyers versus Lightning, 1 goal, 32 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Flyers_vs_Lightning.jpg


I'm done for now. :) It's too depressing. :cry:

Other than the outdoor game (still more than the Kings do), the Flyers take it to the middle and get clusters of high scoring chances. Tampa's goalie must have stood on his head to only give up 1 goal against, or it could have been too little too late in that game. :amazed: Not many shots in the second period.

Thanks for the work, slight problem though, unless I am missing something, you can't say the Flyers got clusters of high scoring chances.

Unless you are just talking about proximity.

I am taking timing into account as well, meaning one shot in a high scoring shot at a time, is fine and dandy, but that will RARELY score right away, you need "clusters" of shots, you need that 2nd, 3rd, 4th shot in the vicinity at the same time, to consistently score.

You can't get that from a shot chart.

Other than that, I noticed that 4 of the 5 Flyer games, they had good chances in the middle, but so did the Kings under their array of coaches, the difference though is this.

Those 4 Flyer games had them scoring 13 goals,

Those 4 Kings games had them scoring 11 goals,

I thought it was dramatically less when I started to type that lol, so the problem isn't that the Kings CAN'T do it, it's they CAN'T do it on a CONSISTENT basis.....

Interesting.

Sydor25 01-08-2012 03:17 PM

Okay, here are Dallas' last 5 games, not exactly a powerhouse:

Dallas versus Oilers, 4 goals, 34 shots

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Dallas_vs_Edmonton.jpg


Dallas versus Predators, 4 goals, 30 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Dallas_vs_Predators.jpg


Dallas versus Wings, 4 goals, 29 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Dallas_vs_Wings.jpg


Dallas versus Bruins, 4 goals, 27 shots:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Dallas_vs_Bruins.jpg


Dallas versus Jackets, 1 goal, 37 shots, the Jackets kept them to the outside this game:

http://sydor25.com/Pictures/Dallas_vs_Jackets.jpg

Sydor25 01-08-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42138963)
Thanks for the work, slight problem though, unless I am missing something, you can't say the Flyers got clusters of high scoring chances.

Unless you are just talking about proximity.


I am taking timing into account as well, meaning one shot in a high scoring shot at a time, is fine and dandy, but that will RARELY score right away, you need "clusters" of shots, you need that 2nd, 3rd, 4th shot in the vicinity at the same time, to consistently score.

You can't get that from a shot chart.

Interesting.

Yes, I meant that they get a higher percentage of shots from the scoring area, cluster meaning just more in the same area, not time based. Less from the outside and more of a push for high scoring area shots. No way to see if they were rebound chances or not with a shot chart.


Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42138963)
Other than that, I noticed that 4 of the 5 Flyer games, they had good chances in the middle, but so did the Kings under their array of coaches, the difference though is this.

Those 4 Flyer games had them scoring 13 goals,

Those 4 Kings games had them scoring 11 goals,

The Flyers had 4 out of 5 games, it took you 20+ games from the Kings to get 4 good games. :laugh: :rant: :cry:

sjmay* 01-08-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydor25 (Post 42139353)
Yes, I meant that they get a higher percentage of shots from the scoring area, cluster meaning just more in the same area, not time based. Less from the outside and more of a push for high scoring area shots. No way to see if they were rebound chances or not with a shot chart.




The Flyers had 4 out of 5 games, it took you 20+ games from the Kings to get 4 good games. :laugh: :rant: :cry:

LOL yea, tell me about it...

Dallas has a good offensive, despite their defensive and goaltending problems, their offense is pretty solid.

Either way, like I said, the problem isn't the Kings CAN'T do it, it's the DON'T do it....and at this time, I don't think it's the system or the coaches, I think it is what you said, the Kings taking what the opponents give them, and then they just stay there, they don't try and push it further.

IE, Look at the CBS game, they kept them to the outside, and the Kings had no will/desire to drive the net, Lewis did the one time and put Sanford on his ass lol, but they have to consistently do that...

Whiskeypete 01-08-2012 03:25 PM

goes to show you that LA is unwilling to go where they should for shots or to setup. they prefer to take an easy shot/setup from outside, rather than pay the price inside. after the fact its easy then to say they got X shots as a team. player 1 had X shots, player 2 had X shots. when all along those shots were from low % areas and likely had no one in front of the goalie setting a screen.

BBF's one and first call to action for each guy is this. "give me one shot per game from inside the house". i dont care if you have 10 shots overall, give me 1 shot inside not outside. until they get inside for at least one shot don't even bother with the same bs from outside. my god if half the guys suddenly got shots in this area the goal scoring could erupt. what a concept!

he has to start changing their mindset and making them drive the net/slot at this point. someone, anyone on this team has to grow a pair and get the **** inside. Clifford, JW, DB and Fraser have been stepping it up as of late. BUT there needs to be more commitment made by everyone here. drive the net/slot and good things happen. suddenly you draw penalties (wait LA can't score on the PP), defenders collapse which opens seams for others, keepers get screened, rebounds lay around, etc.

go a *** pair and drive the net and slot and goals will be scored

btw....nice post Syd

Sydor25 01-08-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjmay (Post 42139569)
LOL yea, tell me about it...

Dallas has a good offensive, despite their defensive and goaltending problems, their offense is pretty solid.

Either way, like I said, the problem isn't the Kings CAN'T do it, it's the DON'T do it....and at this time, I don't think it's the system or the coaches, I think it is what you said, the Kings taking what the opponents give them, and then they just stay there, they don't try and push it further.

IE, Look at the CBS game, they kept them to the outside, and the Kings had no will/desire to drive the net, Lewis did the one time and put Sanford on his ass lol, but they have to consistently do that...

And that is why I think it is the coaching more than the players. They don't take risks, i.e., pushing the play when the opponent doesn't give it to them. This is so that they can stay in their defensive posture and limit shots against.

I would say that most passes through the middle are cut off, but if you don't try, you will never generate those shots from the middle. It may take 20 passes to get those 4 or 5 high quality shots, but that is better than 20 shots from the outside. If you just take the easy shot from the outside, you just hurt your shooting percentage and inflate your shots for. That I believe is a coaching problem. It is just hard to break the habits of the past 4 seasons with Murray and Sutter thinks the system is just fine as is. :cry:


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