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tytech 01-10-2012 12:48 PM

Is Pronger really gone for the playoffs?
 
I'm well aware of what was said but 5 months off of hockey is enough of a rest to try and get back isn't it? I mean, he wasn't rocked right before this news came out, therefore it was a collection of hits or something I'm assuming. Nobody can pinpoint when this happened so how can one say he's done for the year, including playoffs.

Wouldn't it depend on the individual and testing? Who knows where he'll be in 5 months (4 from now)

thedjpd 01-10-2012 12:49 PM

From CSNPhilly's latest article this morning, apparently Pronger still hasn't made, and I quote, any "objective progress," in terms of his recovery.

That's quite disconcerting, at the very least.

If somebody makes no progress in a month, I'd say it's highly unlikely he's back in a few.

iamcanadian23 01-10-2012 12:56 PM

Honestly, at this point I think he should just ride out his career on long-term injured reserve. This option seems to have the best potential for both parties involved. Sure, he would be nice to have around - but let's be honest, he is another injury waiting to happen - whether it be back, knee, concussion or something else. He should sit out the rest of his contract and then retire, and worry about his health moving forward.

The team could use the salary cap space to acquire and sign a younger defensive-minded defensemen long-term as a replacement. Everyone talks of acquiring Suter/Weber, but beyond this year they would never fit into our salary cap should Pronger return. Even if Pronger were to return, he is getting less and less effective as the years pass.

Might be in the extreme minority here, but just my opinion...

pelts35.com 01-10-2012 01:07 PM

Playoffs? There's a good chance Pronger's playing career is over.

OriginJM 01-10-2012 01:14 PM

Concussions for someone close to 40 is not only career threatening, but can really alter the path of health for the rest of your life. Not that it can't do that when you're in your low-20's (a la Crosby) but when you're older... it has to be a warning sign to stop playing.

I love Pronger, but sadly I think he's done for.

dats81 01-10-2012 01:16 PM

From what I've heard his symptoms are almost as bad as Crosby's right after he went down the first time and Prongs is significantly older and his body has been bothered with other injuries so much recently...

We better start planing without him!

Amateur Hour 01-10-2012 01:31 PM

His career is probably over... so, yeah, he's really gone for the playoffs.

HartsyMania 01-10-2012 01:40 PM

Does this question fall into the "Shock and Denial" or the "Bargaining" stage of the 7 stages of grief?

Haute Couturier 01-10-2012 01:43 PM

I think whatever damage he suffered obviously has to be pretty serious for the Flyers to immediately announce he was shut down for the rest of the season + the playoffs. The beat writers have mentioned on twitter that he is pretty depressed over it. I think it is likely his career is done.

RJ8812 01-10-2012 02:05 PM

when a 37 year old is deemed out for the season & playoffs 30-some games into the season with severe post-concussion syndrome, it's not a good sign at all

if you ask me, his career is over

Bob Clarke Fan Club 01-10-2012 02:09 PM

His agent has already stated zero chance and that Doctors were very to the point about his future and health. IMO we've seen the end of Pronger's career.

DrinkFightFlyers 01-10-2012 02:23 PM

Uhh, last I heard he was having problems with every day functions. Forget about playoffs, I just hope he can live a normal life from here on out.

MsWoof 01-10-2012 02:30 PM

I doubt he'll be back but I also stopped believing anything that comes out of the Flyers organization so if he does come back, I won't be at all surprised.

stygian16* 01-10-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyEye (Post 42236857)
Does this question fall into the "Shock and Denial" or the "Bargaining" stage of the 7 stages of grief?

:laugh: good call... I'm at step 4 - Depression, reflection, lonliness
..especially every time Lilja touches the puck

Flyerfan4life 01-10-2012 02:33 PM

im gunna side with career over..

even if he heals up and comes back next season, do you really think he'll be 100% and able to ride out that contract nite after nite ???

i say let him LTIR it out. was fun while it lasted but the dance is over.

Cmoneyflyguy 01-10-2012 02:46 PM

I'll go ahead and believe the flyers when they say done for the season and playoffs.

BTW, good to know HF Flyers is loaded with so many concussion specialists.
Someone tell the NEJM

BobbyClarkeFan16 01-10-2012 04:53 PM

This reminds me a lot of the Primeau situation. The Flyers pay out Pronger for the year and then see just before the off season if Pronger can go. If Pronger can't go, then the doctors won't clear him, plain and simple. And, if Pronger's career is done, then the Flyers should apply for the injury exempt waiver that New Jersey got when they were able to dump Alexander Mogilny's contract without any repercussion to the salary cap.

I hate to see the guy go out this way, but concussions at this stage of his career are usually career ending. One only needs to look at Ian Laperriere see what a concussion can do to a 35+ year old person.

WeekendAtBernies 01-10-2012 05:06 PM

I wouldn't count Pronger out just yet... he's obviously made enough progress that flying doesn't give him trouble judging by the fact that he was at Philadelphia International Airport earlier today...

Hockeypete49 01-10-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsWoof (Post 42239133)
I doubt he'll be back but I also stopped believing anything that comes out of the Flyers organization so if he does come back, I won't be at all surprised.



:facepalm:

Hockeypete49 01-10-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OriginJM (Post 42235719)
Concussions for someone close to 40 is not only career threatening, but can really alter the path of health for the rest of your life. Not that it can't do that when you're in your low-20's (a la Crosby) but when you're older... it has to be a warning sign to stop playing.

I love Pronger, but sadly I think he's done for.



I have to agree with your assessment. If what I am hearing from some of you here on the site is correct. Chris may very well be done. Just a dam shame for both Chris and the Flyers. It will be interesting to see who we get to replace him. With the moves Homer has done last year,we now have chips to bargain with.

StandingCow 01-10-2012 09:35 PM

Yea, if he is having trouble with everyday activities... he is done 100% for this year. I am leaning toward his career being over too.

WeekendAtBernies 01-11-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandingCow (Post 42276797)
Yea, if he is having trouble with everyday activities... he is done 100% for this year. I am leaning toward his career being over too.

I doubt he's having that much trouble with "everyday activities". As I said earlier, he was seen getting on an airplane earlier today according to one of my friends from Temple... He actually posed for a picture w/ my friend and several other guys @ the airport. Here's one that made it's way to twitter:

http://instagr.am/p/gDGBt/

My friend asked him how he was doing and if there was a chance we'd see him in the playoffs and he Pronger smiled, winked, and walked away, so take it for what it's worth...

Everyone needs to keep calm and quit saying his career is over when they have no clue / no information.

Could Pronger's career / season be over? Sure, both could be over.

There is also a chance that Pronger is improving and that he will be ready for the playoffs. Nobody knows.

But I think it's entirely possible that he is indeed improving but Holmgren isn't telling anyone. I mean, why would he? It's in everyone's best interest to just tow the company line that Pronger is done for the season and there's no updates. That way, the media isn't whipped up into a frenzy, the players continue to know that it's on them to get the job done and Pronger won't be there to save the day, and if it does in fact work out that Pronger returns for the playoffs then it's a huge boost to the team and a great surprise for the fans.

If Holmgren works it correctly, Pronger being done till the playoffs could actually be a huge benefit for our team. With Pronger on LTIR, we pick up cap space and can acquire a more expensive player without moving any significant pieces. Once the playoffs come around though, there is no salary cap.

At any rate, I'm not saying he's coming back... I'm just saying that I have a hunch he's not done yet. And a comeback is certainly possible.

BrindamoursNose 01-11-2012 12:49 AM

See with this kind of situation, It's sad that we can't get his cap number off our salary cap. Here's to hoping something changes in the new CBA about it...

ChumpyG 01-11-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandlansd (Post 42286249)
I doubt he's having that much trouble with "everyday activities". As I said earlier, he was seen getting on an airplane earlier today according to one of my friends from Temple... He actually posed for a picture w/ my friend and several other guys @ the airport. Here's one that made it's way to twitter:

http://instagr.am/p/gDGBt/

My friend asked him how he was doing and if there was a chance we'd see him in the playoffs and he Pronger smiled, winked, and walked away, so take it for what it's worth...

Everyone needs to keep calm and quit saying his career is over when they have no clue / no information.

Could Pronger's career / season be over? Sure, both could be over.

There is also a chance that Pronger is improving and that he will be ready for the playoffs. Nobody knows.

But I think it's entirely possible that he is indeed improving but Holmgren isn't telling anyone. I mean, why would he? It's in everyone's best interest to just tow the company line that Pronger is done for the season and there's no updates. That way, the media isn't whipped up into a frenzy, the players continue to know that it's on them to get the job done and Pronger won't be there to save the day, and if it does in fact work out that Pronger returns for the playoffs then it's a huge boost to the team and a great surprise for the fans.

If Holmgren works it correctly, Pronger being done till the playoffs could actually be a huge benefit for our team. With Pronger on LTIR, we pick up cap space and can acquire a more expensive player without moving any significant pieces. Once the playoffs come around though, there is no salary cap.

At any rate, I'm not saying he's coming back... I'm just saying that I have a hunch he's not done yet. And a comeback is certainly possible.

I see Pronger prefers the "concussion beard" to the "playoff beard". :sarcasm:

OriginJM 01-11-2012 01:09 AM

I'm sure it might of been posted somewhere else, but for those who haven't seen it"

Quote:

Holmgren checks in with Pronger once or twice a week. He said his top defenseman has good days and bad days, but isn’t making objective progress.

“I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel here,” Holmgren said. “I don’t think he does, either.”

The Flyers plan to address defense at the trade deadline in late February, but Holmgren said he would not “do anything stupid” to ruin the chemistry on this club by tearing it apart to land a major defenseman.

Most observers say the Flyers will be in the hunt for either Shea Weber or Ryan Suter, should Nashville decide to move one of those defensemen.

Suter is unrestricted this summer and it’s highly unlikely Preds GM David Poile can re-sign him, as well as Weber, who is a restricted free agent this summer.

“We continue to look like every team as we get the deadline in [48 days],” he said. “There’s a lot of chatter out there.”
Article here.


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