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Beacon 01-12-2012 01:46 AM

Rangers Prospect Poll: #5
 
Carl Hagelin won the last round and McColgan got a spot in the poll.

Please write who you want added to the poll, and give a reason for it. This makes the discussion here more lively.


THE RULES

WHO IS A PROSPECT: We can't all have different standards based on what we each want personally. We are on the HF board, so let's follow their rules. The standard for what's a prospect is here: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect

* Please don't write that so-and-so should or should not be a prospect. It's not up to each individual here to decide, it's up to the HF rules.

HOW TO RANK PROSPECTS: Based on their value in a hypothetical trade or waiver draft. This takes into consideration a prospect's ceiling, how close he's to making it, his health, work ethic, the whole deal. Imagine there was a prospect waiver draft and you could keep only one prospect. That guy is our #1 prospect. Then imagine we had one more waiver protection. That guy is our #2 prospect.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. D Tim Erixon
3. C J.T. Miller
4. LW Carl Hagelin

Carl Hagelin
Left Wing
Born Aug 23 1988 -- Sodertalje, Sweden
Height 5.11 -- Weight 176 -- Shoots L

2011-12 New York Rangers NHL 22 7 5 12

He has done so much because of his speed, and he has made himself better each year by preparing in the off-season and getting as strong as he can for his size. He's also an elite character kid because you don't usually see a Swedish kid that's the captain of a U.S. college team.
- Gordie Clark in 2011


"He sort of began as an energy penalty-killer for them (Michigan) as a freshman, and now he plays in a lot of big roles... He has just steadily improved. He's really fast, and he's gotten stronger and faster each year."
- Gordie Clark in 2010.


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Beacon 01-12-2012 01:49 AM

Gotta go with McIlrath. Top-10 pick who progressed well.

Add Lindberg. He's a regular in the SEL, a league every bit as good as the AHL.

eco's bones 01-12-2012 04:32 AM

McIlrath. MZA.

Kane One 01-12-2012 04:49 AM

I can't vote for a few more days, but I definitely would have voted for the Undertaker.

Kane One 01-12-2012 04:51 AM

And according to HF rules, wouldn't Zuccarello be a prospect? If so, I think you should add him.

darko 01-12-2012 06:32 AM

D-Mac, add Zucca

SupersonicMonkey* 01-12-2012 07:59 AM

McIlrath

Add Yogan

Glennsoe 01-12-2012 08:04 AM

CT, add zuke before he get's too old..;)

Callagraves 01-12-2012 08:05 AM

MacIlrath

Miamipuck 01-12-2012 08:29 AM

Voted Fasth, he was in a higher caliber league then any other prospect garnering votes and was playing very well pre-injury.

BBKers 01-12-2012 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaneone (Post 42336871)
And according to HF rules, wouldn't Zuccarello be a prospect? If so, I think you should add him.

According to HF Rules:

Quote:

What Makes a Prospect?

A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:
If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to
the criteria above.
European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.
Zuccarello is born September 1, 1987
Hence he is 24 y.o. this season (2011/2012)
He started playing last season (2010/2011) xsigning the contract when he was 22.
Hence he is a prospect for this year & even next one - or until he reaches 65 games played (he has played 45 NHL games so far).
This makes him a prospect elgible to be ranked on HF Boards.
No?

BBKers 01-12-2012 08:35 AM

Taresenko, oops I mean McIllwrath ;)
Add Zuccarello...

pld459666 01-12-2012 08:37 AM

Fogarty

Lindberg

jas 01-12-2012 09:02 AM

McIlrath. Add Yogan.

NYR Viper 01-12-2012 09:15 AM

McIlrath add Yogan

Ranger Angst 01-12-2012 09:59 AM

McIlrath add Yogan who's recovering nicely from the shoulder injury & progressing .

nyr2k2 01-12-2012 10:01 AM

McIlrath, add Yogan.

JimmyStart* 01-12-2012 10:02 AM

Fasth. Second line scoring potential. Plays all sides of the ice. Performing in a men's league. Overtook CT and his lack of physical gifts and poor play in camp/Traverse. Overtakes McI who's likelihood of reaching full potential is low imo and is not dominating the CHL yet. (he's shown flashes of what he could be defensively)

jniklast 01-12-2012 10:20 AM

McIlrath, add MZA (even if he has no future as a Ranger, he has proven and shown far more than projects like Yogan probably ever will)

NYR Sting 01-12-2012 10:28 AM

Fasth, add Yogan.

bernmeister 01-12-2012 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyStart (Post 42340339)
Fasth. Second line scoring potential. Plays all sides of the ice. Performing in a men's league. Overtook CT and his lack of physical gifts and poor play in camp/Traverse. Overtakes McI who's likelihood of reaching full potential is low imo and is not dominating the CHL yet. (he's shown flashes of what he could be defensively)

also voted for Fasth, add Lindberg
above is spot on as to Fasth; CT's 50+ g are bonafide, but until he does the protein shake thing for 2 years + to add 20lbs, Jesper has more upside, IMO.

Disagree on McIlrath.
As a stay at home D, the thresshold on what he has to deliver is less demanding as to talent if he can skate backwards decently enough, and otherwise is well suited to his strength. Agree he is not at full potential now, but not as to "likelihood of reaching full potential is low" (close enough, IMO, to be on track for where he is).

bernmeister 01-12-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jniklast (Post 42340833)
McIlrath, add MZA (even if he has no future as a Ranger, he has proven and shown far more than projects like Yogan probably ever will)

Yogan doing nicely, esp considering injury recoveries.
MZA does not have enough speed skating to get separation to use his touch and be a real scoring threat in the NHL.

Addition by subtraction.
Take vitrual nothing and get cap space.

nyr2k2 01-12-2012 10:44 AM

Players left to be added:

Lee Baldwin
Stu Bickel
Francois Bouchard
Ryan Bourque
Peter Ceresnak
Chris Chappell
Tommy Grant
Danny Hobbs
Chad Johnson
Sam Klassen
Chad Kolarik
David Kveton
Oscar Lindberg
Randy McNaught
Jason Missiaen
Jyri Niemi
Samuel Noreau
Blake Parlett
Mikhail Pashnin
Scott Stajcer
Cameron Talbot
Andreas Thuresson
Pavel Valentenko
Jason Wilson
Andrew Yogan
Lukas Zeliska
Mats Zuccarello

jniklast 01-12-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernmeister (Post 42341355)
Yogan doing nicely, esp considering injury recoveries.
MZA does not have enough speed skating to get separation to use his touch and be a real scoring threat in the NHL.

Addition by subtraction.
Take vitrual nothing and get cap space.

Yogan is doing OK. I know he lost almost all of last year due to injury, but even if you take that out, he is a big guy in his 4th year in the OHL scoring at or near PPG for three years now showing no major improvement. That's OK, but nothing to write home about either.

I know MZA probably will never have a spot on the Rangers, and maybe he won't ever really get another shot in the NHL. But he has shown over 45 games in the NHL that he does ok there (scoring at 0.5 PPG) and he is lighting up the AHL.

At the point where we are right now with the additions to the prospect list, I think MZA is far and away the best left. He is easily forgotten because of his status with this team, but that shouldn't influence judgement of him as a prospect too much.

silverfish 01-12-2012 12:18 PM

McIlrath, it's a tragedy Zucc's hasn't been added yet.


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