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pine* 01-17-2012 05:48 PM

Molson gives Gauthier kiss of death
 
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MONTRÉAL - Le président du Canadien, Geoff Molson, a réitéré son appui au directeur général de l'équipe Pierre Gauthier, mardi, avouant du même coup avoir beaucoup appris de la crise qui a suivi la nomination de l'entraîneur-chef Randy Cunneyworth.

Gauthier jouit de la pleine confiance de son président, qui lui donne carte blanche.

«Pierre Gauthier est le directeur général de l'équipe. Il est en charge d'évaluer l'équipe et il a mon support», a affirmé Molson lors d’une apparition publique pour inaugurer une patinoire extérieure financée par l’organisation.
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/333528.html

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Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 05:49 PM

He was asked about it, so no

pine* 01-17-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42641245)
He was asked about it, so no

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CLfhzawY-k...bie+Downer.jpg

don't ruin my fun

Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 05:50 PM

For a good example of what to do with a GM see Murray, Brian

ThaDevilGirl 01-17-2012 05:50 PM

Nevaaaaah!

Andy 01-17-2012 05:50 PM

Molson said the same thing the last time he spoke...he said "we have full trust in our management".

Nothing new to see here.

Given Gauthier's activity(he has been particularly active), I'd say that it is unlikely he will be fired at seasons end. If the team still stinks half way through next season, they'll pull a "I'm not fired, I'm just stepping down for x, y, z reasons"

The Kremelin Wall* 01-17-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42641291)
For a good example of what to do with a GM see Murray, Brian

lolwhat

February 20, 2009 – Traded Dean McAmmond and San Jose's first-round draft pick in 2009 (#26, Kyle Palmieri) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli
February 12, 2010 – Traded Alexandre Picard and a second-round draft pick in 2011 to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for Matt Cullen.
March 2, 2010 – Traded a second-round draft pick in 2010 to the New York Islanders in exchange for Andy Sutton.
June 25, 2010 – Traded a first-round draft pick in 2010(#16, Vladimir Tarasenko) to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for David Rundblad.
December 17, 2011 - Traded David Rundblad and a second-round pick in 2012 to the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for Kyle Turris.

Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 42642503)
lolwhat

February 20, 2009 – Traded Dean McAmmond and San Jose's first-round draft pick in 2009 (#26, Kyle Palmieri) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli
February 12, 2010 – Traded Alexandre Picard and a second-round draft pick in 2011 to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for Matt Cullen.
March 2, 2010 – Traded a second-round draft pick in 2010 to the New York Islanders in exchange for Andy Sutton.
June 25, 2010 – Traded a first-round draft pick in 2010(#16, Vladimir Tarasenko) to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for David Rundblad.
December 17, 2011 - Traded David Rundblad and a second-round pick in 2012 to the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for Kyle Turris.

Their outlook on playoffs is still much much much better than ours, ans the stability brought them there, which we need to have, Let's leave Gauthier do his job for an extended time before we even think about firing him

Marc BargainBin 01-17-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 42642503)
lolwhat

February 20, 2009 – Traded Dean McAmmond and San Jose's first-round draft pick in 2009 (#26, Kyle Palmieri) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli
February 12, 2010 – Traded Alexandre Picard and a second-round draft pick in 2011 to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for Matt Cullen.
March 2, 2010 – Traded a second-round draft pick in 2010 to the New York Islanders in exchange for Andy Sutton.
June 25, 2010 – Traded a first-round draft pick in 2010(#16, Vladimir Tarasenko) to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for David Rundblad.
December 17, 2011 - Traded David Rundblad and a second-round pick in 2012 to the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for Kyle Turris.

In all fairness, Cullen played amazing during the playoffs that year.

The Kremelin Wall* 01-17-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42643665)
Their outlook on playoffs is still much much much better than ours, ans the stability brought them there, which we need to have, Let's leave Gauthier do his job for an extended time before we even think about firing him

They have Jason Spezza. Who do we have even close to that offensively? Who could we have possibly brought in over the summer?

Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall (Post 42644097)
They have Jason Spezza. Who do we have even close to that offensively? Who could we have possibly brought in over the summer?

you are missing the point, the point is stability, and by changing GM every 2 years we won't get any stability

If they had fired Murray 2 years ago and that the new GM decided to trade spezza for picks last year to "rebuild the right way" the sens would be in big trouble this year and for the next ones too

habitue* 01-17-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42643665)
Their outlook on playoffs is still much much much better than ours, ans the stability brought them there, which we need to have, Let's leave Gauthier do his job for an extended time before we even think about firing him

The Sens have two things we don't have (did not have so far):

SIZE - all their forwrads are 6 '0 and over and most of them are young too.

Toughness: Neil, Konopka, Carkner + Smith

Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by habitue (Post 42644517)
The Sens have two things we don't have (did not have so far):

SIZE - all their forwrads are 6 '0 and over and most of them are young too.

Toughness: Neil, Konopka, Carkner + Smith

which was achieved by continuity and not blowing up the upper management even after 2 consecutive bad years

x74Pacioretty74x 01-17-2012 06:29 PM

I can't read French what does that mean?

LyricalLyricist 01-17-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by habitue (Post 42644517)
The Sens have two things we don't have (did not have so far):

SIZE - all their forwrads are 6 '0 and over and most of them are young too.

Toughness: Neil, Konopka, Carkner + Smith

I hate when people say this size stuff.

Wingers:

NameHeightWeight
Pacioretty 6'2196
Bourque 6'2211
Cole 6'2205
Kostitsyn 6'0214
Moen 6'2215
White 6'0193
Darche6'1 215
Leblanc 6'0178
Palushaj 5'11187
Blunden6'4218
Gionta 5'7173

Centers:

NameHeightWeight
Plekanec 5'11198
Desharnais 5'7177
Eller6'2198
Gomez 5'11198
Nokelainen6'1202
Enqgvist6'4199

Two guys under 5'11 in entire forward lineup including first call ups. The best part is the two guys who are undersized outbattle big guys all the time.

Let's drop the size issue alright? It would be nice to add another versatile Top 6 guy who can play center and wing but really, it's not a huge size thing. Let's move on from it.

habitue* 01-17-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist (Post 42645071)
I hate when people say this size stuff.

Wingers:

NameHeightWeight
Pacioretty 6'2196
Bourque 6'2211
Cole 6'2205
Kostitsyn 6'0214
Moen 6'2215
White 6'0193
Darche6'1 215
Leblanc 6'0178
Palushaj 5'11187
Blunden6'4218
[B]Gionta 5'7173[/B]

Centers:

NameHeightWeight
Plekanec 5'11198
Desharnais 5'7177
Eller6'2198
Gomez 5'11198
Nokelainen6'1202
Enqgvist6'4199

Two guys under 5'11 in entire forward lineup including first call ups. The best part is the two guys who are undersized outbattle big guys all the time.

Let's drop the size issue alright? It would be nice to add another versatile Top 6 guy who can play center and wing but really, it's not a huge size thing. Let's move on from it.

These are all small/frail players . DD is more 5'5/5"6 than 5'7

habitue* 01-17-2012 06:35 PM

And our D is small by NHL standards. Take Gill out of it and the're all closer to 6'0-200 pounds. and even less.

Lafleurs Guy 01-17-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42644413)
you are missing the point, the point is stability, and by changing GM every 2 years we won't get any stability

If they had fired Murray 2 years ago and that the new GM decided to trade spezza for picks last year to "rebuild the right way" the sens would be in big trouble this year and for the next ones too

I agree you want stability but not at the expense of competence. I don't think PG has demonstrated much of that this year. It's been a gongshow and there's no indication of any kind of long term plan here. It is one panic move after another.

Coldplay 01-17-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by habitue (Post 42645473)
These are all small/frail players . DD is more 5'5/5"6 than 5'7

Those players are all combative, not frail. :help:

Captain Smurf 01-17-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by habitue (Post 42645473)
These are all small/frail players . DD is more 5'5/5"6 than 5'7

Have you seen Leblanc play?

Watsatheo 01-17-2012 06:49 PM

Not a fan of Gauthier but killing him is a bit much.

Iwishihadacup 01-17-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy (Post 42646429)
I agree you want stability but not at the expense of competence. I don't think PG has demonstrated much of that this year. It's been a gongshow and there's no indication of any kind of long term plan here. It is one panic move after another.

Murray was not deemed competent 2 years ago and now his team will surely do damage in playoffs, it's all about perception

We are back in 8th 7th position and all that madness will quickly evaporate from the majority of the fanbase, it's as easy as that, the best antidote a GM can have against the whining fans is winning.

There is no way in hell a GM should be fired after 1 year and a half full season, when only a 1/3 of his time here did not see the team compete, there are just too many different factors that can explain the bad performances other than the GM's job to warrant such a short mandate

FlyingKostitsyn 01-17-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by habitue (Post 42645473)
These are all small/frail players . DD is more 5'5/5"6 than 5'7

He could be 4 feet 3 it wouldn't matter. He's still tied for 3rd on the team in points and leads in assists.

And please ''All small/frail''... :laugh: You highlighted 6 players. Two of them are callups, of which one is not frail and weak (Leblanc is very combative and effective). Gomez hasn't played much and the 3 others are generally effective against much better players. St. Louis is ''frail/weak'' but I'd kill to have him on the team.

You would have a better argument talking about our defense, thats were the abusive softness is. The replacement of Cammalleri by Bourque is going to change the look of our forward unit, size and toughness there is no more an issue. We don't have ''fighting'' toughness but thats practically a non-issue imho.

Lafleurs Guy 01-17-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwishihadacup (Post 42647871)
Murray was not deemed competent 2 years ago and now his team will surely do damage in playoffs, it's all about perception

We are back in 8th 7th position and all that madness will quickly evaporate from the majority of the fanbase, it's as easy as that, the best antidote a GM can have against the whining fans is winning.

There is no way in hell a GM should be fired after 1 year and a half full season, when only a 1/3 of his time here did not see the team compete, there are just too many different factors that can explain the bad performances other than the GM's job to warrant such a short mandate

We go back into 7th or 8th and I agree... the media madness will go away. That doesn't mean it's what we should be happy with.

Believe it or not I think the team underacheived this year too. I didn't think we'd be sitting in 12th. I thought we'd be on the bubble instead.

Sure we could 'go for it' and try to make 8th and I guess that's what PG's going to do but... why? And why tie us to Kaberle and Bourque when it looks like we're out of it? Those are desperation moves that aren't designed for the long term. Meanwhile we've got the gongshow with the coaches and the club is in a freefall.

Molson is a new owner. He didn't pick PG. The club is struggling and the GM continues to make short term moves that could hurt us down the road. That's reason enough to replace him.

The only question I have is... where's Molson's head at? Is he Harold Ballard or does he want to win a cup? Because if he's Harold Ballard then it won't matter at all who's the GM of the team.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt 01-17-2012 07:41 PM

Well, he said the same about Martin. Unless something happens between the 2 of them, I hope he waits til the offseason.


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